Owen Strachan is an OG Straight Thug Confronting Kinism - #ChristianNationalism

Responding to Christian Nationalism and Kinism

All right, everybody. On Monday I asked the question and I got a response. Thank you so much for your responses. Some of you definitely want me to move on from the topic of responding to Christian nationalists, you know, Christian nationalism type things.

Some of you want me to stop responding, and I get it because I'm kind of on your side, so I'm still considering stopping. But a lot of you thought that me responding to this video, Owen Straychan on kinism and Christian nationalism, a lot of you said that that would be very helpful to you, and I even got a nice private message about this, a very nice heartfelt message.

And so I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna at least start it. You know, I'm not committing to the full 30 minutes, but I'm going to at least start it. So this is the beginning of that. Now, Owen has embarrassed himself so much on this topic.

I saw yesterday just a very nice post from a lady who married an Iraqi man, a Kurdish man, and just told some private stories about Stephen Wolf congratulating her and being very concerned about the Kurds and what was going on there and things like that.

And, you know, there's things that a kinist wouldn't do, you know what I mean? And not to mention, of course, many people citing the many, many things that Stephen has said in his book, and elsewhere, that are just obviously not kinist.

But, you know, who cares, really? Because the things that Owen thinks are very evil and kinist and whatever, a lot of them aren't even evil. Like, it's just unbelievable. So there's just so much of that going on right now.

And, of course, Owen is too cowardly to talk about that stuff. Owen's whole little shtick is to play big and bad, you know, with things that aren't even there. The shadow box, the Don Quixote thing. Ultimately, he's a coward, is the bottom line.

And so that's kind of Owen's thing. But we're going to respond to Owen. Since Owen clearly won't talk to us, you know, we'll do this thing. I think a lot of you, that's kind of what your point was. Like, if there's not going to be any meaningful interaction, let's at least get some meaningful responses going instead of just the memeing and stuff like that.

And I get that. I totally get that. So let's do this. Let's do it. First thing I'll say, I know nothing about this podcast or this interviewer. He certainly looks to me like he has a lot of white guilt.

Just the way he's dressed and all that kind of thing. Listen, I don't know a whole lot about style, but I don't understand this hoodie underneath the blazer thing. I mean, it just looks a little odd to me.

But, you know, that kind of thing. It almost looks to me like he was wearing the hoodie and, you know, and Owen was like, look, you got to wear a blazer if you're going to interview me. And so he just threw a blazer on.

He's like, okay, fine, I'll put the blazer on. I don't know. Maybe this is an intentional style. It's odd. I mean, I don't know. Again, I don't know anything about style. Maybe this is the latest thing.

So let's dive right in.

Christian Nationalism, Wokeness, and Preserving Whiteness

Owen, let's get into the spicy stuff that's going on online. Oh. I mean, you didn't pull any punches in the pre-conference. Obviously, Christian nationalism is a massive topic right now. And I think a lot of people are struggling to get a clear and concise understanding of what it actually is.

This is interesting because every other time you hear one of these kind of anti-Christian nationalist presentations, every other time they kind of change the story. Like, sometimes it's like, this is a massive issue.

Like, this is the most important thing. We need to talk about this. And then, like, the next day I'll be like, well, this is just nothing. You guys are just, it's a nothing movement. It's going to amount to nothing.

You guys have no people. Nobody's talking about this. It's just you're in your weird corners of the internet. People talk. Like, it's just like, it's always a different story, right? And it's like, I mean, I have no opinion on the size of this.

I happen to think this is a very important issue. Do I know how many people are interested in it? I have no idea. But it's just so funny to hear them kind of waffle. It's a very emotional topic for these guys.

And so they end up contradicting themselves very often in their presentations.

And personally, I thought you did a good job of, hey, here's a book. The case for it. I'm going to show you exactly what it says here. But I'm going to focus on one of the things that's being talked about online is kinism.

Do you believe that you were able to articulate that in the way that you wanted to? Do you believe that it was fair? Have you seen some of the critique online? Would there be any further clarification you need to do for that?

Yeah. Well, let me just first say, it's such a blessing to be on this panel. Is this a panel? Whatever this is. Yeah, we're considering this a panel. Okay, it's a panel. With Erin Coates, my sister in Christ, who has been so faithful and courageous the last few years.

And her husband, James Coates, is an excellent guy. So this wasn't planned. But just very thankful for this couple. And my sister. In terms of kinism. Kinism has long been a reality. The idea that you shouldn't marry outside your ethnicity or your skin color.

And at the national level. At the level of nationalism. That a nation should really be composed of one ethnicity. Or one skin color. Whatever it may be. This isn't new. This didn't just come up. It actually is found on both the left and the right.

So what we've seen. After the rise of wokeness. Wokeness is a real and terrible ideology. That has corrupted many churches. It has changed America. To this minute. Wokeness is the dominant force in our time.

Teaching white people. One of its main tenets. That they are effectively white supremacists by nature. Without doing anything. Without saying anything racist. Just by virtue of having white skin. So to speak.

And participating in the majority group and culture. Racially. You are a white supremacist.

You have privilege. And you are an oppressor. No matter what you do. That it's inerrant in you. Exactly.

That has dominated American public and cultural life. For several years. There's now been an official kickback against that. That was in part a good kickback. Like in the church. Votie Bauckham and others.

Daryl Harrison. Virgil Walker. G3 have pushed hard against the woke ideology. That has infected the church. I've been a small part of that as well. But what we have now seen is that. Things tend to swing between extremes.

And so wokeness is one extreme. It's a partial world view. Saying that white people are bad. In terms of partiality. And now we've seen the other side. Crop up. Where white people are especially to be preserved.

As a group. That's also partial. And so the gospel critiques both sides. Me saying that doesn't make me some kind of deep state. Operative. I am as un-woke as you can get. False. That's just not true at all.

That's just not true at all. He is not as un-woke as you can get. So I guess. It's interesting the way he's kind of set this all up. Right? So he's saying that like wokeness. Is this like dominant force.

And it's very evil. You know things like that. And of course he boldly stands against it. Of course after lots of other things. Other guys did. He kind of like got behind them. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Of course he would never admit that. Oh man. But anyway. So wokeness is this dominant force. And you know very evil. And he says that the reaction to that. Which he kind of. You know the way he sets this up.

Is that it's equally evil. Is for white people to say. Hey you know there's nothing wrong with being white. Let's continue to be white. You know what I mean. I want to continue. I can see that the woke church.

And the woke agenda. In the United States. Is trying to eradicate whiteness. Or whatever it is. Sometimes they just want to eradicate white people. All together. Like we see in South America. Or South Africa.

And it's like white people are like. No no no it's good to be white. Not only is it. Not only am I not a white supremacist. Just for the fact that I exist. Not only am I not evil. Oppressive. Because of the fact that I exist.

But actually I like being white. And it's good to be white. And it's fine to be white. And I want to celebrate that. And I want to continue my whiteness. And I'm going to be okay with it. And happy about it.

And things like that. And he presents that. As equally evil. That's not evil. That's not evil. I mean I'm laughing here. But it's just. It's just really like. It's unbelievable. To have to say these kinds of things.

And look if you look at my content. You know what I mean. Over the course of years. At this point. I've been consistent on this. That I don't want. There to be. I don't want there to be. A violent reaction.

To some of the woke stuff. Because that seems like a very likely scenario. You push someone into a corner enough. Eventually he's going to fight back. I don't want that to happen. But that's not to say.

That white people. Wanting to preserve. The kind of culture that they have. And things like that. In the face of people that. Tell you to your face. They're not secret about it. We are trying to destroy that.

We want to end that. And they're like. Well no. I like having mayonnaise on everything. I'm joking. I'm trying to take this seriously. I really am. I'm responding seriously. But I can't help but make light of it a little bit.

I like casserole for dinner. That kind of thing. I do too. Who doesn't like a good casserole? But my point is. People say. I like to preserve that. Because I can see you're trying to intentionally destroy it.

I'm going to intentionally try to preserve that. I think a lot of the impulses. Of white boy summer. I don't really know a whole lot about white boy summer. It sounds a little weird to me. I don't know.

A lot of white things sound weird to me. I'm just saying. But like evil. In the same way that wokeness is evil. Like they're trying to destroy you. For being white. Just for the fact that you're white.

They're trying to destroy you. And label you some kind of a miscreant. And you're like. Not only am I not evil. Just for the fact of being white. But being white is good. I like being white. There's nothing wrong with that.

And here. The self-proclaimed least woke person around. Nobody's more un-woke than him. He's saying. No, no, no, no. You think it's okay to be white. That sounds pretty evil. I'll never forget the video I did on that.

Do you remember that? I think it was like a 4chan thing. Where they started putting posters up places. And all the posters said was. It's okay to be white. The most passive way of saying. I'm not ashamed of being white.

It's not even saying that it's good. Or great. Or it's wonderful to be white. It's okay to be white. It's okay. And predictably. People on 4chan predicted. This is going to cause a massive hysteria. They're going to think this is terrorism.

And predictably they thought it was terrorism. Owen the least woke person. Is doing the same thing here. It's the same thing. Owen is seeing the poster. It's okay to be white. And freaking out. Because that's evil kinism obviously.

Tell me how it's not the same thing. Somebody explain. An Owen defender. Because I know I have some in my channel. Tell me how he's not just doing the same thing. He's seeing the it's okay to be white sign.

And freaking out like a woman. How is that not the same thing? I'd like to know. I'd like to know. Very very. The least woke person around. Nobody is more unwoke. Than Owen Strawn. Who was woke 5 minutes ago.

I have to critique. Not only the left. There are definitely enemies. Not in terms of flesh and blood. But ideological enemies to the right. It is an absolute lie. To say that there are no enemies to the right.

Meaning you don't critique anyone to the right of you. And that's what I felt the need to do.

That's another lie right there. Because the whole no enemies to the right thing. Is not about not critiquing. People on the right. It's not about not critiquing. People on the right. He told you it's about not critiquing.

People on the right. That is a lie. He's lying to you again. So that's two lies. The first lie is that. He's the least woke person around. That's not true. The second lie. I guess there's three lies. The second lie is that white people.

Wanting to maintain their whiteness. Preserve their culture. Their ethnic markers. Whatever you want to call it. That's evil. In the same way that trying to destroy whiteness is evil. And three. The third lie so far.

And this is three minutes into. A lie per minute. And he hasn't even been talking this whole time. The third lie. Is that no enemies to the right. People are saying that. You should not critique people on the right.

No. That's not what it is. What it is saying though. Is you do not try to destroy people on the right. Using the tools of your enemy. Because your enemy is attempting to do this to you. I'm critiquing you right now.

And Owen. This pains me to say this. I feel like I have to. At least include you. As a person. On the right. You're not to my right. Of course. You're on the spectrum. Of the right. And I am critiquing you.

What I'm not doing. Is attempting to destroy you. Using the tools of my enemies. I'm not trying to destroy you. Using the tools of the left. That's what I'm not doing. So. You've lied three times here Owen.

In three minutes.

The Gospel at Stake in Kinism

The gospel is at stake. With kinism. Just as it is with wokeness.

So he's asked him to define.

Do you feel like you've defined kinism well? What's kinism? And he hasn't defined kinism. He just says oh it's just the gospel that's at stake. And white people want to preserve themselves. And you know.

Supposedly I guess that's kinism. I don't get it guys. Have I missed something here? A little bit of the.

Sermon that you had in the. In the pre-conference. I'm going to try to. Try to pull that up. He's on Twitter right now. I can tell. You said. And I hope I'm quoting this right. And tell me if I'm wrong.

I believe in a democracy. Not a dictatorship. Can you expand on that a little bit more too? Because there's a little bit of pushback. Saying like well America is a constitutional republic. And we're not actually a democracy.

You sound like a left winger. When you say that.

Can you explain that a little bit more? I love the voices that he does there. Yeah yeah yeah. Democracy.

Oh man. Good one. Very mature. This is a fun age. When just standing for basic common sense. Apparently makes you a leftist. Or woke. Freedom of speech. Religious liberty. What a terrible idea. I do not care what people say about me.

I do not care. I am reminded of Gandalf. I am no Gandalf. Literarily or otherwise.

Oh man. Can you expand on. This idea of. Democracy not dictatorship.

I'm reminded of Gandalf. I'm a lot shorter than him for example. Although that hat. I would like one of those hats. That would be pretty fly. But Gandalf says at one point. I have not passed through fire and shadow.

Whatever he says. Did you say that would be pretty fly? He really didn't just say that. Did he just say that? I'm a lot shorter than him for example. Although that hat. I would like one of those hats.

That would be pretty fly. But Gandalf says at one point. Excuse me.

He just said that would be pretty fly. He would like one of Gandalf's hats. That would be pretty fly. I have to let him finish speaking here. But I really just want to end it. I want to end it right there.

Because I just don't think I can continue.

To take this seriously. At one point. I have not passed through fire and shadow. Whatever he says. To land in this small little controversy. Paraphrasing. I haven't done battle personally. With wokeness.

And been massively affected. By those struggles. In order to come out of this. And have people call me a leftist. Because I believe in religious liberty. Free speech. Democracy. Constitution. Constitutional republic.

These are just lies. There is room for disagreement. There is absolutely room. There is different streams of Christian nationalism. There is what I would call gospel driven. Christian nationalism. There is law driven Christian nationalism.

Both of those are viable. Both of those have to be dealt with charitably. And carefully. But then there is also this movement I call mono ethnic. Christian nationalism. And sadly. There is kinism in and through it.

Not that everybody who would hold to that even is a kinist. But it's there. You can find it. I quoted sources online. And so they can say whatever they want about me. I'm nothing. Christ is everything.

So again. Do you want to expand on that? All he did was defend himself for not being a leftist. Right there. And he's not a leftist. But he's definitely a liberal. In the classical sense. He's a classical liberal.

And there's just no question about it. And he just says these things. They're just self evident. Like free speech. And by that he means things like you should be able to blaspheme Christ. And things like that.

If you look at what he's saying in context. Free religion. Free religion. Democracy. These are just self evident. They need no explanation. They need no defense. They need no biblical support. I mean these are the biblicists.

Right? How do you go to the scripture and say that this is so obvious that it does not even need explanation. It does not need defense. It's just not the case. And I'm not arguing for a dictatorship. I think the constitution is great.

I'm pro-constitution. And I'm pro-constitution in the original sense. Where a state could still enact a state church or blasphemy laws or things like that. And we're going to talk about that. I'm definitely going to do that content.

Those of you who wanted a positive vision for things like blasphemy laws. And why it would be definitively a good thing for everybody to have blasphemy laws. I'm going to do that content. We're definitely going to do that.

But if you notice he's asked to explain further. And he refuses to explain. He just says, I can't believe people call me a leftist. By the way, Gandalf's hat's pretty fly. Dog, yo, that hat be fly, yo.

I'm going to get that hat. That's some drip. Did I use that word right? Drip? I don't know. I don't know, man. And he's, oh, there's this gospel-centered Christian nationalism. There's a law-driven Christian nationalism.

And then there's the mono-ethnic Christian nationalism. And that's the kinnest one. That's the kinnest one.

Stephen Wolfe, Interethnic Marriage, and Ethnicity

Specifically, though, would you believe that Stephen Wolfe is pushing kinnism? Oh, yeah. That was the critical moment. I got the commercial.

Come on. Okay, so hear me. This interviewer, I'm grateful for you, man. Yeah, I was making fun of how you were dressed. It's a little strange. Listen, I don't know anything about fashion. Maybe you're right on point.

I have no idea. I'm not going to make fun of your drip. Oh, man. Anyway, drip aside. Thank you for doing this, interviewer. I really appreciate it. Because you've asked two questions. And you got the first one, you kind of got to run around.

But it was a little better of an answer. The second one, you got to run around. And so, you know, you're just going to ask a direct question. Thank you for doing this, whoever you are. I'm very appreciative of it.

So he tries to make fun of you. He's trying to distinguish. And this is something I predicted would happen. So there's another feather in my cap. He's got the gospel-centered kinism. The gospel-centered kinism.

By the way, in the comment section. Or actually, e-mail me if you want. If you don't want to be public about this. Who is, in your opinion, the brightest kinist out there? I'd like to know some names.

Who's your favorite kinist out there? I guess is one way to put it. Let me know in the comments or in an e-mail. Ad at adrobuzz .com. Thank you very much for that. That being said, the gospel-centered Christian nationalism.

The law-driven Christian nationalism. Those are viable, whatever, worthy of respect, I guess. And then there's the mono-ethnic Christian nationalism. And so he said that. That's what Owen said. And so, you know, this guy, very grateful for this question, he directly asks him.

Because it's very clear that Owen is kind of beating around the bush and talking about Gandalf's hat being pretty fly. Is Stephen Wolfe a kinist? Does he fall into the mono-ethnic category of Christian nationalism?

And then, I guess, Owen is saying there's a subset within the mono-ethnic Christian nationalism which should be dismissed out of hand, of course. There's a subset of kinists. I guess that they're extra evil.

So if you're a mono-ethnic Christian nationalist, according to Owen, you're very evil. But if you're a kinist mono-ethnic Christian nationalist, then I guess that you're extra evil. So is Stephen Wolfe that?

That's the question that's been asked. Thank you very much, Guy.

You're pretty fly. Stephen Wolfe's ideas lay the groundwork for a kinist view. And what Stephen Wolfe has said publicly is definitely kinist. Now he's taken back one of his statements,.

Apparently in some form. I think it was on Twitter. I think it was on Twitter.

He said inter-ethnic marriage was relatively sinful. And on a podcast, he sort of walked that back. But if you look at other statements of Stephen Wolfe, he said that ethnicities have a duty to preserve themselves.

Paraphrasing. And there's no biblical duty to preserve your ethnicity. That doesn't mean that we embrace unbounded, globalist, woke immigration policies in our nations. Immigration has to be done carefully.

I'm a thorough-going conservative, though Wolfe and others despise the term conservatism. I am a conservative, so I believe in carefully done immigration policies. But, that doesn't mean that the Bible teaches that it is a moral good to preserve my ethnicity or my whiteness or what have you.

There is no biblical teaching along those lines. The Bible goes the opposite way. The Bible teaches us that it is a beautiful thing that Christ is calling people together from every tribe, tongue, and nation, people group on earth.

That's the direction of the gospel. That doesn't mean that every church is going to be the same level of diversity represented in it. Or that we have to try to mangle our churches so that they're all equally diverse.

No, you have to be where you are. But fundamentally, it is not a biblically taught moral duty. It is not a moral good for me to preserve my ethnicity and inter-ethnic marriage in scripture is a beautiful reality.

The Gospel of the Nations and the Charge of Bait-and-Switch

Okay, so let's stop there.

We may have to go back and pick that apart a little bit more carefully in the next episode. I'm going to try to remember what I wanted to say through all that last minute. It was chock full of interesting tidbits.

So, we'll see. So anyway, he said Stephen Wolfe's book lays the groundwork for kinism and his statements publicly have been kinist because he said something about interracial marriage that he definitely walked back.

And if you notice, he said apparently walked back as if he didn't walk it back. He definitively did walk it back. And it's almost as if the way he said it was almost as if he's just been told that Stephen Wolfe walked back and he didn't even look into it.

I have no idea whether he did or not. It sounds like he didn't. It sounds like what happened here is that someone told him I happen to know at least one person who told him. Stephen himself told him I walked that back on a cross-politic episode and things like that.

The way he presented it it's almost like he didn't even listen to it. And he definitely doesn't even consider it valid. If he did listen to it, he's dismissing the denial or the walking it back out of hand.

Stephen said on that podcast, yeah, I was trying to think it through live and the way it came out was not the way I intended it to come out. Something to that effect. You should go watch that cross-politic episode if you're super concerned that Stephen's a kinist for some reason.

But he just kind of dismissed it. And then some other statements are definitely kinist. Like, for example, he says there's a moral duty to kind of preserve your ethnicity. And that sounds really scary to a lot of people with a modern mind.

Here's the problem, though. If you've read his materials and if you've listened to him carefully, then you understand that Stephen's view of ethnicity is a very particular view. And it's not fundamentally racial.

It's not fundamentally genetic. It's not fundamentally skin color. When he's talking about ethnicity, he's talking about something else. That, yes, there's a lot of overlap sometimes when it comes to genetics and race and stuff like that.

In many countries, that's how it works. In our country, it's a lot different. And in that podcast episode that Owen, if you listen to this, and that's all you've heard, it's almost as if it's ridiculous what he said on that podcast episode.

If you listen to that, he can be, you know, he can share an ethnicity, Stephen, a white guy, with a Puerto Rican. And they have the same culture. They have the same heritage. They have the same, you know, kind of cultural memories and things like that.

History. Things like that. Not exactly the same, but these ethnicities are sort of organic. They develop organically. That's what Stephen is saying about ethnicity. So even if you disagree with him that there's this duty there, but you have to understand that he's not talking about, you know, skin color or race or genetics fundamentally.

And so for Owen to just not even mention that, but to bring the specter of racism and kinism and, you know, that kind of thing, that should be enough for you to realize he's not handling this the way a Christian ought to handle it.

I mean, honestly, you shouldn't even treat your enemies this way, much less your friends, much less your brothers, much less your brothers and sisters kind of thing. Stephen Wolfe explicitly denies that Christian nationalism is a white nationalist project.

Explicitly denies that. Stephen Wolfe explicitly, hear what I'm saying to you. In his writings, Stephen Wolfe explicitly supports intermarriage. Interethnic marriage for purposes of civil solidarity and formation and unity and things like that.

He explicitly supports it. Not to mention the fact that many off-the-cuff comments that he's made, you know, showing a black guy with a white wife and saying this is a good and proper marriage. That was Justice, I think, Clarence Thomas and his wife.

You know, the story I told earlier about the woman who said she married an Iraqi and he was very congratulatory of it and things like that. Things that a Guinness would never do! Would never do! He's just kind of dismissing that as if that's never been said, that's never done, that's never happened.

It's just, this is as low as it gets, man. This is as low as it gets, Owen. Unbelievable. Did you notice this as well? Where he says, it's ridiculous! There's no Biblical warrant, no Biblical duty to preserve your ethnicity in the Scripture.

Okay, so interesting statement. That's wonderful. And then he goes on to say, in fact, the Bible is the opposite. It says the opposite. And then he goes in to quote from Scripture, or at least paraphrase Scripture.

And what you expect, if he's saying on the one hand, there's no Biblical warrant to preserve your ethnicity. It's not a good moral thing according to Scripture to preserve your ethnicity. In fact, the Bible says the opposite.

So what would you expect to hear? You'd expect to hear of the Bible condemning preserving your ethnicity. Saying it's bad, right? That's not what you get. That's not what you get. Did you see he bait and switched you?

He mott and bailed you. He said, on the one hand, it doesn't give you, it doesn't say it's a moral good to do this. The Bible says the opposite, and the example he used was not related. It was like, in fact, God's calling all nations and tribes to himself.

And it's like, you can actually, listen, listen, you can actually believe both things that there's some kind of a duty. I'm not saying that there is, but I'm saying if you did believe that, there's some kind of duty to preserve your ethnicity, but also God is calling every tribe, tongue, and nation to himself, you could actually believe that.

In fact, I think that's a lot of what kinists believe, like actual kinists. So he bait and switched you there, if you notice. He's not using the same categories there. It's very sneaky what he did there.

Very sneaky. And I have to assume that he knows what he's doing. I have to. That can't just be a mistake. There's more I feel like I wanted to say about that, but we're gonna have to end there. It's been going on for 30 minutes now.

I hope you found this helpful. If you did, let me know in the comments, because it'll encourage me to keep going with this. If you didn't find it helpful, let me know that too, and we'll kind of take it from there.

I hope you found this video helpful. God bless.