August 28, 2019 Show with Dr. Latayne C. Scott & Dr. Beth Robinson on “Protecting Your Child From Predators: How to Recognize & Respond to Sexual Danger”

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And I'm thrilled to have both a returning guest, a favorite guest of mine, and a new time, or first time guest, who will be joining us in the second hour. Joining us for both hours is my old friend, Dr. Latane C. Scott, who is an award-winning veteran of the Christian publishing industry, having written over two dozen books and having earned a PhD in biblical studies.

She's going to be on with us for both hours, and joining us for the second hour will be Dr. Beth Robinson. And Dr. Robinson is a licensed professional counselor and approved supervisor for licensed professional counselors.

She is a certified school counselor with a teaching certificate and a frequent expert witness in legal proceedings involving sexual abuse. They are both going to be discussing a book that they co-authored together, Protecting Your Child from Predators, How to Recognize and Respond to Sexual Danger, published by Bethany House.

And it's my honor and privilege, first of all, to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Latane C. Scott.

Hi, I'm very happy to be here, and I don't know who you're calling, old friend. It's for your spouse.

Well I am honest enough to acknowledge my senior citizen status. Actually, it's not technically that, I'm only 57. But I didn't refer to you in that way, obviously, in regard to your age, just to the decades I have known you.

And our friendship started before I even had my own radio show, and I was helping the talk show host of the station that I worked for for 15 years, WMCA, 570 AM, Andy Anderson, who is now with the Lord for eternity.

But I first came to know you when Andy was asking for my help booking guests, and you were one of them. And the first time I got you on there was for your classic work. It's now a classic, The Mormon Mirage.

And I remember that well.

And for our listeners who don't know, Dr. Latane C. Scott is a Mormon convert to biblical Christianity. So she's got a wealth of information on that subject, and we have interviewed her a number of times on that issue and others.

But Latane, if you could, this is a very timely, very important book, especially in our day and age. How did you come to have in your mind, I've got to write a book on protecting children from predators.

Where did this thought come from, and how did you gather the information to make yourself an authority in some sense on this issue, enough so to write a book?

Well, you know, there's an old Henry story called The Gift of the Magi, where two people who care very deeply for each other end up giving some, sacrificially, to give to the other person. And the woman cuts her hair to buy a watch, and the man, I forget what he does, but anyway, the idea is that there are two people who love each other, support each other, teach others.

I saw that, by the way, my late wife and I saw that off-Broadway in the theater.

Ah, then you're very familiar with it. Well, kind of the same concept happened with Dr. Beth and me. Dr. Beth was actually a college professor to both of our children, and the kids, and how super she was, and what a great teacher she was.

I know she's just one of the most popular teachers ever, because she's such a great I'm sure listeners will hear. But she became a friend to me, and a lot of people who know me personally know that during the last eight years, my husband, to whom I've been married for 46 years now, became very, very ill.

And so, during that process, Dr. Beth was just such a... And I said to her one time, you know, I wish I could do this for all your kindness. And then later on, she was doing what we all do. You start evaluating, what have I contributed to the kingdom?

What have I done during my life? And she was saying something like that to me, and I said, Beth, there are going to be thousands and thousands of young people standing before the throne of God, praising your name, because you have meant the difference between...

It's true. Dr. Beth gets right in some of those of the worst, and she is that ability that has... And I said, well, Beth, you know, there are going to be all these people standing before the throne of God, praising your name for what you've done.

But I said, I wish there was some way we could take all that wisdom from all these decades of dealing with all of these abused children and all of these hurting parents. I wish there was some way we could get that story out.

She had given to me, and I gave to her. I said, you know, why don't I help you write a book about that? Don't get me wrong, she's written several by herself, but I said, let me take the burden off you for that.

And I will do the writing, you do the research, you're the expert, you know, you're the one with all the experience. You give me the information, and I'll write it. And that is the strength of this, that this comes out of her case files.

Every chapter in this starts with a situation, real problems, and how they came about. And the book is not intended to scare people, because they're very, some of them are very innocuous situations, being abused.

Stories are intended for you to stand alongside those parents and understand what caused not for anything for me other than this today. The extra good news is that most children can recounseling like Dr. Beth provides, like many others.

Praise God, that is good news, because I had always feared that the likelihood was that the victims would be suffering for the rest of their lives in ways that radically, negatively affected their lives.

So it's good to hear that there is such great hope, as long as the proper procedures are taking place, and also that the Lord is in the situation, and it's very good to hear this. I just want to read a commendation for this book by Jim Daly, president of Focus on the Family.

If you're a parent, chances are one of your biggest fears is that your child will be sexually assaulted. And given today's 24-hour news cycle, we see and hear plenty of sickening accounts to feed our worst fears.

In their new book, however, Drs. Robinson and Scott encourage you not to live in fear, but to equip yourself and your kids with the awareness and skills that will help keep them safe. And as I said, that's Jim Daly, president of Focus on the Family.

We were so on...

Yes. And, you know, this is not really, it's probably intensified in the 21st century, but I can even remember as being a little kid, I didn't really think about sexual assault against myself because I didn't even know what that was probably, but I can remember there was a fear in my mother's heart and mind, even in the 60s and early 70s, when I would be trick-or-treating or things like that.

There was always some kind of underlying fear about abduction or some kind of harm being done to me as a child. But this is really, it's sickening and terrifying and so saddening and maddening that in this day and age, it is just so rampant.

And, well, first of all, let me ask you to begin our interview with Know the Turf and have a plan to protect your children so that our listeners aren't going to be caught off.

Guard.

We'll open up our interview the way you open up the book.

We begin the book with the athletic team. And we begin the book with that story because it's just hard to believe that someone who is in a position of prominence, visibility, and trust, who is trusted by so many people, would have done something like that and gotten away with it with so many people for so long.

And one of the points that Dr. Robinson makes over and over again is, it's probably not going to be the person who comes out from behind a bush and grabs your kid and assaults.

Them.

It's probably statistically going to be someone that you know and you trust if your child is going to be abducted. We're not trying to make people afraid. Dr. Beth is not trying to make people fearful.

She's just trying to make them vigilant so you know what to look for. And these people that do this have some very overt kind of, put your radar up. If you sit in a pew on Sundays, it's statistically probable that you're surrounded by, on average, one in every...

I never would have guessed it was that high.

She tells a story. I don't know whether she told it personally to me, but I think it's in the book here. That when she got to college, you know, Dr. Beth had the wonderful, who would want to get to their children.

She had two loving parents in the area and she went away to college and when she got to college, she was at her roommate's Christian college. She was just absent. It's your personal experience that it's not...

She was shocked to find out how many people had been sexually abused.

Well you were alluding to the fact that there are characteristic traits. Now I'm so glad that you said there are good people that have these traits too because we wouldn't want our audience to automatically think, hey, you know Bill who sits behind us at church?

You know, he's got those traits. So you're not saying that these are traits we should automatically say this person is a pervert or a predator or a molester. You're just saying that these are traits that are common among these people that even some good people possess.

Let me talk about Satan who masquerades as the angel of light and he would share characteristics,.

Right? Yep.

Good people can share these same characteristics. Here is what Dr. Beth would say. Anytime there's an adult who takes a special interest in a coach, a music teacher, we give any... The young man went for music lessons and the boy, you know, this kid's got extra special talent.

I'll give him free time, you know, went through after, you know, anything like that. Now good people will do that too, but I have to tell you, good people don't want to be accused of that. So they will want to spend time with you so that there's no suspicion.

Yeah I remember... Okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

No, you go ahead.

Oh, I was just going to say, and I don't want you to forget where you were going with that, so just remember what you were going to say, I remember a guest that I had on the program had some topic that was similar to what we were discussing today and he was saying that one thing that you have to be careful about is that although it is good and healthy and even Christ-like and godly to love children, it is a red light or a red light should go off when somebody is really preoccupied with the love and attention and company of children to an excess where they're always offering to babysit or they want to go off and play with the children alone.

And of course, we always have to be careful because bearing false witness against our neighbor is a sin. It's a part of the Decalogue even. So these are just things that should be red lights and not automatically give us reason to necessarily think that person is definitely guilty of being a predator or a pervert of some kind.

But at the same time, caution should immediately envelop in our minds and hearts.

Yes, absolutely, and that's not true for churches too, and Dr. Beth gives an example, in fact several examples of churches and parachurch organizations like Christian, end up not doing their due diligence of people who, if you've got an adult that's really interested in kids, you need to watch out.

If the church organization needs to make sure this person has not had, and I hate to say it, we're to welcome strangers into our midst, but you have to be wise, you have to be very wise and if any adult is really, really interested in kids, that person should never allow, no, in fact, no, too long ago, just was, you know, here I am, I don't have little kids, I have grandchildren, but they're not with me all the time.

This is for any adult. The noble help said, you know, offenses would be better for them, so he had no...

Is there any other, or are there any other things that should cause a red light to flash in our minds when we are viewing the character traits of a person that has any contact or responsibility or role in the church or in public life that involves our children?

You know, this is so simple that I think every community in the United States, to find out.

Who...

You know, there was new blood that would come. She ran, and here's what she said. She said that practically next to the day or age of older people, and not just younger, the picture that popped up on the screen was of the nicest looking young man, and she said if he had rang the doorbell and said, can I help your mom while, you know, when you're not here, can I come over and do any chores for her, let me just volunteer to help the yard work or something, where's the registered sex offender?

And I found out in my own housing complex.

Well, there's another thing to learn from that, that evil people are not always ugly.

Boy, that's the truth.

And some of us, some of it may be because of movies and television, but especially when we think of sexual perverts, we typically think of an unattractive person, because we automatically think, we play a psychologist or psychiatrist, and we think, well, the only reason a person is a pervert is because they can't get a normal relationship, a normal heterosexual relationship with an adult near their own age, and pursue a normal and even biblically faithful relationship with someone.

So we automatically think it's all those unattractive people out there that eventually get drawn into these dark and sinister and perverse lifestyles, but that is not always the case. It might not even be predominantly the case.

You'd have to ask Dr. Beth about it, but I'm pretty sure she'd say that one of the main things about that is that they're almost always men, and they're very charming, and they're very helpful. And, again, see, the angel of light is an angel of light, and Satan the masquerade is an angel of light.

So, you know, people who are helpful, who want to help you with your children. And I did that myself, you know, Chris, when I think back on it, before I had grandchildren. And there were families at church that I'd, you know, say, hey, you know, let me help you out.

You know, I'll keep your kids this weekend. I know you don't have a lot of money. Let me, you know, you and your husband go get away or whatever. And they trusted me with their children, and they should have, because that's exactly what somebody who's not trustworthy would have done.

So, you know, I guess it would have been better, looking back now, it would have been better for me. My husband and I and another couple are going to kind of have a sleepover, or we're going to have kind of a thing here at our house, so that I would have never, at night, I was never alone.

But I'm just saying, we have to be wise, Chris. We have to be wise, because if we want to protect our children, we can't act like the.

People. Right. And I would assume that because of the fact that there are many people who have completely pure motives in wanting to help with children who love, perhaps they love sports, and they love teaching and training children's sports, or you could go on and on with the reasons that they love the company of children, the, I would think that where the red light is really going to not only flash, but alarm bells are going off was when you sense any resistance from this person of having your company involved, or the company of other adults in your, in your family.

It's anyone who wants time alone with your child. There's no reason why an adult has to be alone with a child that I can think of. I can't think of a legitimate reason. Now, a lot of people are countering this, like youth, others, they just put a camera up, strangers at a daycare, you should be able to see what's going on all the time with your child.

Go ahead.

No, you go ahead.

When you say there's never any reason for somebody, an adult to be alone with a child, I'm assuming you're talking about like a one on one kind of a situation. My father, for instance, for decades was a Cub Scout master, although he was not the only adult at these campouts and you know, off in the woods with the kids.

But you know, there, there are times when there are multiple children alone, alone with an adult in this in this setting would not be strange or off putting or necessarily something to alarm us.

Well, I think people are starting to make provisions for having two adults around with something like that. How about the Boy Scouts have gotten such a bad report, highly doubt that. But I'll tell you something else that you may not know, Chris, did you know that the Mormon Church, it has come to light that in the Mormon Church, multiple, I mean, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds come up where Mormon priesthood leaders are.

And the reason for that is, when you're when you're a Mormon, of course, this is my background. Once a year, you go in for, but if you want to go, you have to have something called a temple recommend and the to get a temple recommend, the process has been before that you go in with your bishop alone, and they ask you questions like, are you sexually pure?

Do you keep the word of wisdom, the health laws, and some of those dirty old men have used that time and their their patriarchal authority over.

Wow. And if for anybody who has tuned in late and they heard Latane say this is my background, meaning her background, she is a convert out of Mormonism and she is a Bible believing evangelical Christian today.

So I just wanted to set your mind at ease. We're going to our first break right now. And if anybody would like to join us, our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com. ChrisArnzen at gmail .com. And please, when you send an email, give us at least your first name, your city and state and your country of residence and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

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Welcome back. If you just joined us, our guest today for the full two hours is Dr. Latane C. Scott, co-author of Protecting Your Child from Predators. In about a half hour, we're going to be joined by her co-author, Beth Robinson, who helped write the same book we are addressing today.

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Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Latane, we have a question from Mary in Cork, Ireland. Mary says, I have two friends in their late fifties who were sexually abused when they were children.

One by a priest, the other by a Christian brother who was a teacher. The abuse went on for many years. And she says, I have listened to their heartbreaking stories. One is married now with children, the other never married, has no children, and his life was destroyed.

He still has graphic memories of the abuse, though the pain has healed somewhat. They are both Christians today. How do you suggest supporting and encouraging an adult victim of abuse? Apart from being compassionate and being a good listener.

Thanks for taking the time to read this question.

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I'm not a counselor. I'm not the person that could give advice. But I can recommend a book that I think would be very helpful. And that is We Too by Mary DeMuth.

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They're free books and Bibles and other things. They win when they submit questions. We have Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina. And Grady says, Greetings Chris and Dr. Scott. I have heard testimonies from repentant homosexuals that they were abused by someone as a child.

Did you find this to be common with those that are homosexuals? Also, do you have any suggestions on the best way to confront those doing the cross-dressing reading hours in our public libraries? In fact, one of those individuals at least made nationwide news, maybe even worldwide news, for being a child molester.

One of these drag queens in the libraries. Thank you, Grady.

Grady, I'm afraid I'm not qualified to answer that first question. Can we put it on ice until Dr. Beth gets on the line?

That's a very good idea.

But the second one, I can tell you what I did with my local public library. I called the head of the library system and waited, repeatedly called until I got that person on the line and said, look, I very much object to having people who are these role models reading in our libraries.

And I am a library patron. I gave you my library card number. I said you can look at my records. And I said not only that, I'm an author. And so you carry my books in your library system. I borrow your books in the library system.

And my children, my grandchildren go to the library. And we are all telling you this is a bad idea. I made him take down my name and my number so that he had a record of somebody saying, look, you know, I'm not just a terrible idea.

So they were doing this at your local library? Having drag queens read stories?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Wow. It's just mind-boggling why an adult's sexual fetish would, why anybody would be compelled to introduce that into the lives of young, innocent minds. It's just so aggravating. It's like if an adult heterosexual said, I want to read stories in my sadomasochist gear to the children.