The things that creep in the dark

Shadow People, the Hat Man, Ghosts, and Demons

Here you got it. I'll pass it. I'll pass it to haps my fault. That's what what is up y 'all.

This is haps in my mic in and everything's down right now so I'm coming from my phone, but I am haps Addison one of the co-hosts of open-air theology and Glad to be here tonight and a part of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church.

Hallelujah. All right. So yeah, we was a little worried hats was creeping on the come up and Worried so I was trying to give him a little bit of time. This is which is why we're a little bit late but uh, you know, it's better to have happy with us than to not have happy with us because Everyone needs a little happy, right?

So tonight this is basically the type of stuff you would talk about around a campfire and so since You know, we're not Braden is not in Tennessee. Like for some reason he doesn't want to come to Tennessee hang out with us, right?

He only wants to do it like a once-a-year thing like yeah, like like we can be a little too much for him.

So it's a fact. It's understandable. Yes, if there were more states I could put between us I would.

So tonight is basically the the campfire and so the topic for tonight is the things that creep in the dark or you could say bumpity bump, whatever and.

So.

Shadow People, the Hat Man, and Why the Topic Matters

The main thing that we want to talk about is we're going to talk about. Now the first topic. The first topic is something that's known by many different names and there's many different reasons why. People say that that this takes place.

But the the first topic will be on what's called shadow people or. Which is also known as the hat man. I'm sure it's got many more names, but. But shadow people and the hat man is what I've known them know it to be and we're also want to talk about ghost.

Is there such thing as ghost and we're going to talk about? Demons. The Bible speaks about demons and if your Christianity doesn't allow for demons. You might want to keep reading your Bible. So don't be so sensationist that you Mark off demonic activity and and and I have some stories on all three.

I'm not sure where these other brothers stand. Maybe I need to rebuke them right and and y 'all know how I wrote I don't have any problem at all. Rebuking them. Member of our church the other elders wife Julie.

She said that last week. She was watching our show and her anxiety was up because of the way we were yelling at each other. And she said that this is how church splits start and I was like, you know, we're not females.

I mean no offense to the females. But you know. We're men and and men can can argue laugh joke and it's all the same like we don't take anything. You know to heart it just is what it is. Then. There's this a story I like to tell so.

So let's say if you have five women conversation having a conversation and let's say a a Hospital hallway and another woman comes walking down the hallway. And as the woman comes walking down the hallway the five women stop talking.

They stare at her as she until she walks by giving her the dirty look and then they start gossiping about her, right? Yeah, that's true story that happens as a Predicament like if you have five guys chillin in the hallway and another guy comes walking down the hallway.

We don't really stop talking. We give them the nod. Hey, what's up? What's up? So everybody says what's up? He keeps walking and we keep talking like it. It is what it is, right we're so different as creatures of God.

So who wants to begin? I just took on a three-minute rant. So I Want to let you keep on talking about women. No, I don't want to dig myself a grave, right? That you and I can argue and. And nothing and like it's nothing but if two women were.

Or let's say what happened last week with our conversation if it was three girls, but there wouldn't be a podcast this week, right?

Most definitely. I would have started a new podcast. You wouldn't just change this one over to Bigfoot Bigfoot seekers. I'll have start though. It's that perhaps this was kind of your topic of what what you thought would be a good good thing to talk about.

So.

No in my mic and and. But no, you know, I've noticed well, I've had a few things happen to me. And I'll share them and everything but the majority of the things. Like hat man, I didn't know what to do.

Hat man was until Jeff actually Was talking about hat man, and I go that's that's kind of weird. So I started doing a little, you know, dig. And I had my home. Who was on his deathbed and he swore up and down.

He was kind of lung cancer. And he was swearing up and down that there was this guy standing in a corner Staring at him with a black trench coat on and a black hat, but he couldn't see his face. And I thought that was.

I was like that's odd and I you know, and I never Terrified and so we just kept getting gossip stuff that but.

The one.

Me the.

State. I love that when it comes shadow people. I remember.

The.

The night before my my wedding. All right the night before my wedding I walk and I we got not this way not not this is my first wife we had flown down from Washington to California to get married and she was pregnant about eight months pregnant and So we're in my mom and stepdads guest room.

Everything's normal. You know, I'm not on drugs or anything like that you know, I'm sleeping on my side with my arm over her and It was like I was awake, you know, I don't know why I was awake. But I knew that I knew somebody was in the room and they were they were looking at me.

So in my head I was thinking it's my mom. All right, and I was like, I'm gonna scare that Poop out of her, you know, I'm just gonna jump up and go boo like that and so I'm just sitting there just waiting for it and I jump up and Standing at the the end of my bed.

It's this Black figure a shadow. It was like a shadow and it was. It had depth to it. Well, I don't know I can't explain.

It was dark.

Was my bed and.

I was.

Really terrified. You know, it was I mean there was some light in the room because of you know, cuz we were in Dana point. So, you know, you got the moon right off the the ocean right there. This thing was tall.

It was I mean clear as day. I wasn't I wasn't like I just woke up and saw this. I've been up and.

And.

What happened this is is I ended I I was so terrified I'm such a girl but I was so terrified that I Closed my eyes and I turn around and I grabbed my wife and I was like go away go away go away like that I'm dead serious and I I kind of like peeked out and it was it wasn't there no more.

I Went to sleep that night and I won't go into the details right here. But I went to sleep and I Had the craziest dream and the next day My daughter died on my wedding day. That's a true story that that really really happened and And it was and that's when I started getting into this fascination with the other side and playing with.

I.

Pulled into the occult off and on, you know. Throughout the years, but yeah, that was my intro into it, but I've had many experiences after that.

Right.

Right. Have you ever had any experiences Braden?

A Mormon Background and a Demonic Orb

Good Mormon kid. Yes, I did. And I feel like you're baiting me into telling a story without hearing a Bigfoot call yet. But I. Yeah, I I have. Yeah, that was oh he's doing it right now. Hey alligator stop barking but.

No, so I did have a really weird experience so and this is when I was LDS so as every LDS person does. They every LDS person is seeking after an experience like what Joseph Smith's reported having right?

And so Joseph Smith reports having conversations with angel Moroni and seeing the father and the son and and All these different crazy experiences and so I would say and this is there's no evidence for me saying something like this.

Or hard number, but I would assume that. Like ninety nine point nine ninety nine percent of LDS people pray to some extent. Asking for experiences like what Joseph Smith had some sort of revelation, right?

Even even asking about if the Book of Mormon is true is still to an extent exactly what Joseph Smith was doing in the His experience in the woods, right, right and so I Remember one night and I think I was between the ages of 12 and 14 and I was praying.

Really really want to have an experience like that and I was sitting in in our my family's living room Recliner and there was a sliding glass door to my front left and I'm praying just wanting something to appear wanting asking.

Pleading like just show me something to help validate my Mormon faith, right? And I wasn't saying in those ways, but just wanting something and I still remember this globe. Like an orb right appeared in like the lower left-hand corner inside the room super super bright and.

And.

Went away, right like it was very obvious. So something just happened, right and I was like, oh my gosh I like in my mind then I thought I was seeing an angel right? Like I was like, man I felt like I just encountered something that validates and this is where I would say it was absolutely a demonic force of some kind because it Validated my belief in a false God, right?

It validated keeping my eyes away from the cross. It Validated belief in the Book of Mormon because I had an experience just like how Joseph Smith maybe not just like but what I was Wanting it validated that that in that sense.

So, yeah, that was that was the really weird Demonic activity that I had when I was LDS. I think I was 14 and Just super super weird still remember it.

Now, are you allowing this? Experience. To to roll over into your unbelief of Bigfoot. I knew you were gonna go there. I mean Let me tell you something if that's what you're doing when I love you come February like look like it's on.

Listen to me right now. What you're doing right now is you're going back on a week on a podcast and we said we weren't gonna keep on talking about.

It anymore. Well, I don't want to talk about it really tonight. You've been sending me weird messages and making weird memes of me and Bigfoot, okay, yeah, dude, I think you really exist. Look me and Bigfoot got our own thing going wait timeout though.

I have been getting non-stop messages and comments from people making me feel like I'm the outsider. Like the majority of people believe he exists. I'm like.

I mean y 'all are the witnesses of two or three, but we'll get off of that subject. I'm sorry. Now someone made a comment. Fred made a comment. And he's asking. Anyone here King James only? Hmm I'm not sure if you are a King James only but I'm not a King James only.

No and. Yeah, so If you're looking for a debate, I hope you're not but this is not the channel for that. But as far as I know, no one is a King James only we have nothing against the King James Bible itself.

It's just not the only English translation now so so concerning me, so. So when I was 17 my sister had an encounter with a hat man our shadow people whatever you want to call them and. And she reported to me that as she was asleep.

She felt like something laid on top of her but was able to reach in her inside right and and she said it felt like he whatever it was was grabbing her heart and squeezing it and. She told me this because in which I'll get into it whenever we we bring on the whole ghost subject.

Because like like stuff like that had always intrigued me and. So and I was like, well, that's really weird. And and I think it was probably around a week later I had a very similar experience and I have it and I experienced what's called shadow people or the hat man I experienced that from them from from seven from being 17 all the way up until six years ago.

So I haven't had any experience. Experience. Any encounter with what's called shadow people in six years and I was telling hats earlier. We were talking by way of FaceTime. That last night because we were talking about it yesterday that that last night, you know.

Like my wife isn't here like she's visiting her her mom. For her birthday and Jackson and last night I was a little spooked just just knowing that we were on talking about tonight that I slept with my door open the bathroom was on like.

That was a big old sissy. I got up in the middle of night use the restroom turn my lights on. I'm just saying because like when it comes to. You know, I know we're gonna transition into demons at the end but from my experience.

The hat man shadow people are the most demonic. That I've ever encountered okay, it is the most demonic entity, whatever it is that I have ever encountered and and so. Probably the most activity that I've had with them.

There was a house in Madison, Tennessee and. And and so our first night like, you know, so we we moved in and and in like. We don't have everything unpacked right like it takes three days to pack and it takes three years to unpack.

You know I'm saying when you move into the house and so it's the first day there. We don't have everything unpacked. And so my I had one dress shoe in the living room and I had another dress. She was in another one of the rooms, right?

I can remember going to bed and knowing my dress shoes because I was I was a Traveling evangelist at the time. I was going from different church part of the assemblies of God. I'd be going to different churches and preaching right?

So I had to have really nice dress shoes, which which I don't really have that kind of stuff anymore. My daughter Trinity just freaked me out.

I.

Went to bed and I woke up the next morning and both of my dress shoes were sitting side-by-side pointed at the door and. And I was like, whoa, this is this is pretty weird and from that moment on. Every night I had an encounter and I was it got to the point where when I had to use the restroom at night I was so scared to get out of my bed to use the restroom.

And I want you to understand something that I am an ex gangbanger. Violence was was was was my first language, right? Like there's not a man that I am afraid of, you know, like like I don't want to fight.

I'm a Christian I don't want to fight but if I'm put into a situation like like I have 20 20-something years of martial arts training and I've acted actively used my training as a as a gangbanger right and fighting and so I I'm pretty if you put me in a room with 20 people and if something was to break out I'm fairly confident that I will walk out of that room.

Now I'll probably have some scratches and black eyes or something. But I'm fairly confident as long as it's hand-to-hand combat I will walk out of that room like I'm really comfortable in that kind of realm.

Let me tell you something. I am not comfortable with defending myself against something. I cannot punch in the mouth. You know what I'm saying? Hallelujah hollaback, but there was this one night. But listen, there was this one night.

So I was I was laying I was laying in a and like we had like a guest room and I was laying in that bed. I can't remember if I was taking a nap or whatever it was. But I was laying down and I was on my back and I had my arms not completely crossed like this.

But kind of like with my knuckles, you know. So my my hands wasn't right here, but kind of like my knuckles were kind of right here and I was laying down like this. And I felt something lay completely on top of me.

And and I waited for a second and then I kind of opened my eyes and I saw nothing. And then it grabbed me and so I'm sitting here and I'm I'm like trying to push forward and raise up and it's just holding me down and all of a sudden like I felt like I outpowered it and I and I actually Threw it it hits the closet wall and it slithers down.

But at this time I had already been dealing with them for near a decade. And so I raised up out of my bed and I said, oh, it's just you.

And.

So I've had experience after experience and and My wife thought I was having night terrors and I was like, no. It's these shadow people and so he got to the point where I would sleep with a lamp on like it was really Really bad like it like I could be asleep in one room.

And if you were in another room, you would think that I was in a fight with someone it was happening every Every every night like they were haunting me and then All of a sudden six years ago. It just stopped happening.

I don't know what happened in my life. But six years ago, it stopped happening now. Here is what people say so some people I can't remember what paralysis sleep paralysis. So it's diagnosed as sleep paralysis.

So if you go to a therapist or something like that, they'll tell you that you have sleep paralysis. Here's my argument and it's the same argument that I had last week for Bigfoot so Brayden pay attention Brayden don't let me jump to this camera pay attention.

It's the evidence of two or three witnesses. Thousands of people all over the world tens of thousands of people all over war are reported of having the same thing happen to them. That a tall man. What seems like a man in a trench coat wearing a black hat is attacking them in the dark and So I don't think I don't think for that reason.

I don't think I Don't think someone can have the same experience like that. And also my wife heard on some reformed woman's page if you're on that reformed woman's page and you believe this. I'm shaking my head at you.

They say that if you're if you live in a house that has black mode. Then it will cause you to see shadow people. So anyways shadow people the hat man. It's a real thing and tens of thousands of people have the same exact Experience and I've had and I had an experience from the moment right from the time.

I was 17 years old. Until I was I think 37.

Can you capture. Can you capture a shadow person?

And I don't I mean So that that time that I threw it off of me. Yeah, that was the only time that I ever Had the upper hand. Yeah.

Can you can you can you shoot a shadow person. No, okay. You just proved my point about Bigfoot two or three witnesses. I'm saying it's demonic bro. No. Appreciate this conversation.

I mean what a cut what what it comes down to is this. It's all demonic, you know. Demonic I thought that was your shadow person. I was like. So, yeah, no, I agree. Monica, you know me being in the you know.

Being in into drugs most of my life and and you know to the occult practices, you know fiddling with the stuff I can. I can tell you this Prior, so I'm gonna tell you prior to Christ and then after Christ.

But prior to Christ I don't want to say was. But I do believe you take drugs that are ripped. But when this folder the next. Yep, because.

It's not just drugs. It's not just drugs. Ouija boards like any kind of yeah, yeah. Nutanix rituals that you in between that that realm. I.

Remember at my at my home. This was my wife right here and She was. I would tell you this today death. And so being my friend we were doing we were messing around we were. There was this app on our phone where it can contact ghost.

Yes, so we're just like joking around and you're like, oh, yeah. Well, what are we doing right now? And then it said Budweiser across the screen and I got a Budweiser in my hand. You know, and so we're like, ooh trippy.

Well later on that night The I'm sitting in my office. Just just doing my own thing on the computer. And I audibly heard and this made my right ear right here. I heard Todd I mean clear state really loud and I jumped up and ran out of the house and I called my wife.

He knew she was a Christian and stuff. I was like, I need baby Jesus, you know. So good, and I I did not go back in the house. Remember that honey. She's not in your head until oh and until she got back home.

And I was just so spooked by what of what had happened. But I know that after I got saved. After I came to know Christ. That the kind of the hauntings I would get like I would have horrible horrible dreams.

And kind of see things out the corner of my eye in the house and again. Dabbling in things. I shouldn't be dabbling in but and that's why it's so hard for me to believe.

And let me just say something to everybody out there. Please.

There is no such thing as being a Christian and being into demonology. We should be studying the things of Jesus Christ not a right evil one. And and and that's what happens and I'm gonna get to that later on but.

Yeah, we can't go hunting demons and I'm gonna I'm gonna touch on that later on honey. But but what I'm getting at is I remember this this one time out on the streets when we were evangelizing we had a tent popped up and There was this there was this young lady who was Just lost her mind and she'd always speak talking to somebody screaming walking down the street.

You'd always see her and come to find out that. She had come to that town on a date.

And.

She got raped and it was on prom night and she ended up just staying there. She just went nuts and. But everybody knew knew her on the streets and.

They.

Stay away from the chick because you'll see things will get pick up in the air and throw it right at her. Remember that honey and throw it right at her and this one time my wife and I'm talking about this time My wife I told her to meet me up at this certain spot where we got like a hundred people out.

We're evangelizing everything and it's all like everybody's Twisted up on drugs and stuff like that. And my wife pulled up and she got out of the car and it was like How do you explain it something just ran up to your face or just?

Remember it hits you right in the face like a force or something like that was demonic. Something dark. Yeah that blocked her view and she come over and we were we were right in the middle of trying to evangelize this young lady and stuff and we brought her under the The the tent and we started praying for her and anointing her with oil and That's when she started confessing what had happened to her and that this thing was Throwing stuff at her.

She thought it was the guy that raped her that that this was his spirit or something like that so she would actually call the spirit by the guys named that raped her and We eventually ended up getting her off the streets and stuff like that, but when you evangelize and when you you do a lot of Ministry you run into these things Periodically, you know, I don't want to say all the time, you know, but a lot more often than most and that's why guys it's hard for me.

When I see you deliverance ministries and stuff like that and I'm just like what is that's not. None of the things I've ever come across. Everything just like oh you'll get like around you or angry and it's just like.

But.

We've always seen it wasn't like Trying to cast demons out or we we had no this letter this period. It wasn't like that at all. It was very very terrifying. Very very terrifying, you know.

Whether Ghosts Are Real or Are Demonic Spirits

Yeah, let's get on to the subject of ghosts. Let's get on the subject of ghosts. So our ghost real. Don't give me a definition just a yes or no our ghost real. No, Brayden, what's up with y 'all's internet tonight?

I mean, come on.

No, sorry. It loaded real weird the last thing I heard you say Jeff our ghosts real and I would say not in the sense of When people died and people become ghosts, that's what I was gonna say. It's I think it falls back on to what the shadow people demonic demonic entities that kind of stuff, which I have seen a ghost.

But not not I wouldn't say it's a departed person and that will share with me that experience. Yeah, so I will. So first of all, I had a couple Bible verses. I want to read real fast. So.

Yeah.

But the.

So Ephesians Chapter 6, of course, it says Yeah in verse 12 for our struggles not against flesh and blood but against the rulers against the authorities against the world forces of this.

Darkness.

Against the spiritual forces of wickedness and the heavenly places and then talks about putting on the full armor of God it it's very clear that these things do exist and I do think that there was a Heavier emphasis or a a time during the ministry of Christ where these things were much more prevalent.

I think the reason that was taking place Was because it was attacking the Christ right like it was trying to attack his ministry all those kind of things so just as that is the Such a focal point is the ministry of Christ.

It would make sense why there was so much demonic and activity happening there, right? And I do think that when we preach the gospel Just as I think it's Luke 7 when the Apostles are sent out to preach the gospel and as they do it do Jesus says I saw Satan falling as lightning.

We the way that we battle and combat these things. I truly think is through an advancement of the kingdom of God and Yeah, the gospel that's that's that's where I would go with this and we shouldn't use our experiences because according to Matthew chapter 7 there's going to be people who say that they've had experiences of casting out demons and that'll be a Justification of their they're having faith in Christ or them having a relationship with Christ and Jesus will say Department for me you workers of iniquity.

I never knew you and so we can't use experientialism to justify a workspace relationship with Christ. It's all through grace alone by faith alone in Christ alone, right? And so we just had to be ready and preach that to ourselves all the time now to my ghost story so so three things I've seen that that orb when I was when I was young when I was LDS and I do think that I was totally demonic because it justified my faith in a false.

God. I've seen a UFO encounter, which we're not talking about UFOs. But I definitely seen a UFO. But not today not today. But then my ghost encounter was that if you guys have you guys ever heard of the Overland Hotel and in Nevada?

I Personally haven't okay. So there's a hotel there. It's called the Overland Hotel. It's in Pioche, Nevada Per capita or something. It had a ton of deaths during the Wild West days the West days in this this Little town this little mining town, right?

It was supposed to be like the most Wild West place in all of America at one point. And so we are on a wildland deployment. This is like seven eight years ago now, maybe nine years ago now and So I'm a Christian at this point, right?

But we go into this hotel and The very first thing we go and we're checking in and so just this little small hotel that was existing back then and exists today. Right. It's called the Overland Hotel and the bar is where you check in for your hotel room.

So we go in we talked to the front counter guy behind the bar and he's like, okay yep, your room is I want to say we were in room number 10 of the Overland Hotel and The very next guy that comes in he says there's been a guy that's been killed in each one of these chairs.

Into the bar chairs and and we're like what in the world like that's crazy. So our mind is already like where are we at right now? So doing a little bit of research. This is Supposed to be a haunted hotel.

Ghost hunters has done an episode there all this kind of stuff. Hmm. And so we're then started looking. Okay, what rooms are haunted right and we're in room number 10 and number 10 I believe is the was the friendly ghost room is what they would call right and then there was room number eight.

And that was where the aggressive Ghost we're supposed to be at right. So the guys that I'm with we're all chatting about it. That's we got to go and find room number eight now. Like that's what you just got to do, right?

And so we go walking around this hotel this little tiny hotel. We're on the second floor. We can't find frickin room number eight, dude, like it is Beyond difficult we walked around in this like little horseshoe of a hotel like Hallway for like 15 minutes looking for room number eight and just couldn't find it.

Well, finally, it's like down this like side hallway through this little narrow opening and then you come to a door and it opens up. More and we're like, okay, this is room number eight. We're freaked out that we just found it.

The three of us are lined up because it's this narrow hallway. Like well, like go in like let's see if anybody's there and we're like, okay. So the guy checks the door handle and it's unlocked and so he pushes it open.

Like oh man, it's open like go in like like let's go in and see how this hotel room. And so we go in and the guy turns to the right and there's a bedroom to the right and he sees this cowboy laying in the bed boots hanging off the edge of the bed and We freak out run down to the bar right just right down to the lobby go to a public spot.

And we're down there and within Seconds of being down there. We hear a lady talking about that. She's spending the night at the Overland Hotel and she's in room number eight. And if I remember correctly, this was some years ago.

One of us said are you here with anybody and she was like, nope. I'm here by myself. I haven't even been up to my hotel room yet. There was a frickin demonic something laying in the bed of room number eight at the Overland Hotel wearing cowboy a pair right and so I'm super super freaky and the whole time that we were spending our time there.

It was always just this weird spooky. Like something's watching you something's around the corner by all like the entire time like you couldn't sleep through the night without being woken Up because you felt like your bed got shaped or something like that like it was and I had that several times in a row throughout the nights that we were there like Bed would be balanced and you'd wake up the the mattress would actually be tilted from when you slept on it like just like This is so so bizarre on what's going on there and so.

Yeah, that's my that's my demonic ghost encounter. Which I don't think it was like a past dead and this is where I where I was gonna go with something on this. Is that I don't know what your guys's thoughts are on this, but I don't think Demons are being like actively created today.

Like I don't think there's new demons. What I do think though is that demons can change Appearance of some kind to play into what culture has for it, right? And I think you see that with a lot of false religions, right?

You go to different cults and they have a different different false gods. They worship and all these kind of things and they have experiences with them and I think a lot of them are the same demons that people were worshiping even in Old Testament days and They're just changing to fit the cultural demands to keep people's eyes from coming to Christ and so like this is where.

Just a Bible verse here for you guys Deuteronomy 32 verse 16 through 17. It says they made him jealous with strange gods with abominations. They proposed provoked him to anger. They sacrificed to demons who were not God to gods whom they had not known.

New gods who came lately whom your fathers did not dread and so how I read that is that This new culture of younger people were worshiping gods that their fathers didn't know because these are demons that are able to Change based off of culture and wanting to take people's vision attention worship desire away from Yahweh And that's that's what that's what I think a lot of these things are happening and and so and that's including Bigfoot.

So Derek asks us a question about first Samuel 28 and I'm going to address that but I want to address it I want to address it after I give my ghost story and so so I'm gonna tell y 'all. You know my experience before Christ and then my thoughts about it when I come to Christ and how I was Confused and how I see it now.

So when I was young Like I was I was driving. I believe it was in Hermitage, Tennessee. So there was like a I Don't know if you ever heard of the store called mega market or whatever. But when I was really young I Think I was eight years old Madison had received a not Madison, but Hermitage, Tennessee had received a mega market and it was very popular.