Queen Herrod & the Bloody Decree

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We're being delusional. Delusional? Delusional is okay in your world view. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional.

You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your world view is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt.

Is he hung up on me? Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men.

The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

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When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

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All right. So, hey, everybody. Big, big stuff happening right now. I cannot express to you how vitally important this particular show is going to be.

Again, share it across your social media platforms. I have been thinking, meditating a lot upon this issue recently, and I believe that this is going to be a major focus for us for a very, very long time until the ultimate abolition or criminalization of abortion.

This is an important issue. I want to say that, brothers and sisters in Christ, it's very important that you listen to what we have to say in this show.

Think about it critically. Think about it biblically. Think about it logically and consistently, because we're going to reveal the fatal flaw, of course, of the pro -life industry.

Very different from someone that is a Christian who says, I'm pro -life. We're going to reveal the fatal flaw of the pro -life industry on today's show and talk about the person in Arizona who actually helped to keep abortion legal in the state of Arizona.

Yes, CAP's leader, Center for Arizona Policy, Cathy Herod, in the state of Arizona, actually worked to decriminalize abortion in the state of Arizona.

Did you hear that? It's the truth. Can't believe it, can you? Nope, doesn't seem like it should be believable, but Cathy Herod is a professing

Christian. She's the head of Center for Arizona Policy. She is one of the larger and more respected pro -life organizations in the state of Arizona, and she not only worked against the bill for equal protection for human beings in the womb, yes, she publicly worked against the bill to provide equal protection for all humans in the state of Arizona, but she actually worked on a bill and it passed that was one of the weakest regulatory bills of abortion, to regulate abortion in the state of Arizona, and believe it or not, she worked to actually decriminalize abortion in the state of Arizona.

She worked to get the bill off the books in Arizona that's never been changed, AZ Statute 13 -3603.

She actually told me about that bill years ago, when we had a relationship and I talked to her on the phone.

She knew that abortion was technically still illegal in the state of Arizona, and she told me about the bill itself,

Arizona Statute 13 -3603, and she worked to actually have it removed.

So, congratulations pro -life industry in the state of Arizona, you worked to actually decriminalize abortion in the state of Arizona, and here is why,

I'll give you sort of the main point at the start, the pro -life industry works to not allow us, the communities, and also the legislature to see mothers and fathers who kill their own children as guilty.

Kathy Harrod believes that mothers and fathers who kill their own children are in fact themselves victims.

And so, ipso facto, that's why she worked to actually get the

Arizona statute that criminalized abortion off the books, because she does not believe that a mother or a father who kills their child in the womb is guilty.

She believes that they're victims. And so, hence the fatal flaw of the pro -life industry, what is going to keep it legal forever as long as people allow the pro -life industry, money -making machine, to lead this fight.

They are inconsistent, they are fundamentally not Christian in their approach, and we're going to talk about it.

So I'm going to just lay this out, and you guys can jump in here at any moment. Over the last couple of years, we've had a number of abolition or criminalization or just consistent

Christian bills passed through legislatures across our lands. They've gone through in Oklahoma with Senator Joseph Silk.

They've gone through in Texas. They've now gone through in the state of Arizona. We have more coming up in the next couple of months here we're going to tell you about.

But I want you to know something, and I want you to hear this. This is very, very important, and I just ask that you would hear this humbly and think through it.

The pro -choice movement in all those states, Oklahoma, Arizona, and Texas, I'm going to say it again, the pro -choice movement, the pro -abortion movement in Oklahoma, Arizona, and Texas, all barely had to lift a finger.

When these bills for criminalization or abolition came in, the pro -choice movement didn't really need to lift a finger because it was the pro -life industry that actually shut down the bills for equal protection for all humans in those states.

I'm going to say it again, because it is a fact, it is an incontrovertible fact, an indisputable fact, that it was leaders in the pro -life industry that fought against these bills and the pro -choice movement had to barely lift a finger.

In Oklahoma, it was Oklahomans for Life, the vice president of National Right to Life, Tony Lounger, was the one who fought against the bill for equal protection for all humans in the womb.

And in Arizona, it was Kathy Harrod. Kathy Harrod worked against the bill for equal protection for all humans in the womb.

Even though, if you ask Kathy, if you were to say, Mrs. Harrod, do you believe that what's in the womb is human, fully human from conception?

She would absolutely agree. Yes, what's in the womb from conception is fully human.

However, she fought against the bill of equal protection for all humans in the state of Arizona because her worldview is fundamentally anti -Christian and her worldview is fundamentally a part of the pro -life industry's failed approach to ending abortion.

So, if you want the great secret, why is abortion still legal? Of course, we could talk about the sin issue.

We could talk about corruption in the heart. We could talk about those sorts of things. And yes and amen to all of them.

It's a gospel issue. But if you want to talk about methodologically and practically, why is abortion still legal in the

United States of America or in any particular state that's worked for equal protection, answer, the pro -life industry.

Now, brothers and sisters, that might come as a shock to some. That might sound offensive to some because many of us have been involved in the pro -life industry for a long time.

We've done the marches. We've said, this is our thing. We're trying to be for life, all life. But the great secret and the fatal flaw of the pro -life industry now globally is in this issue of the guilt of the mother or the father who kills their child in the womb.

Kathy Harrod fought against the bill of equal protection in the state of Arizona and she did so on this fundamental basis.

She said it publicly. She cannot support any legislation that would see the mother guilty for killing her child.

Because she says the mother and the baby are both victims. Go ahead guys.

I was just looking for her bill actually. We talked about this. I got it right here. Okay, perfect. What number is that?

I can't remember the number. It is, let me pull up the thing here. It is SB 1457.

I don't know if I mentioned that it went through the Senate and the House in Arizona. It did get voted in the

House. She got her way. Yesterday she announced it. It went through the House. It passed the House. It already passed the Senate in the beginning of March.

That's what I was going to ask. It now passed the House. And she did a video yesterday actually. Let me play it for you. Yeah, go ahead. I didn't know that I got passed the

House. I will play this. Okay, if you would show my screen here boys. This is Kathy announcing it yesterday. Hi, it's

Kathy Harrod with a live update from the Arizona State Capitol. This morning the House Judiciary Committee passed on a party -line vote

Senate Bill 1457 sponsored by Senator Nancy Bartow. This bill would prohibit discrimination against pre -born children because of genetic abnormalities like Down syndrome that would no longer be allowed in the state of Arizona.

It would ensure that women's health and safety is looked out for by not allowing chemical abortion pills to be delivered by mail or by courier or by some type of delivery form.

It would also have several other precautions in it. It's amazing the allegations that are made against the bill that just are not accurate.

Then also the House Ways and Means Committee passed Senate Bill 1452 that will extend eligibility.

Okay, that's it. She's sneaky. She left out some important details. Thank you. So you're saying the exact same thing

I'm saying. It is interesting to me, Mrs. Harrod, that when you talk about this bill,

Senate Bill 1457, it is interesting to me that when you talk about it to certain audiences, you seem to leave out the fact as much as I've seen you talk about it, you seem to leave out the fact that you work to decriminalize abortion in the state of Arizona.

That in your bill, SB 1457, I'll read the thing here. Actually, boys, you can show my screen here so they can see with their own eyes.

This is Senate Bill 1457. We've got the abortion for sex and race selection, genetic abnormality, injunctive and civil relief, failure to report, all of that is there.

But just a little line in here. Here it is right here. Here's the line. Repeal, Section 3.

Repeal. One line. Section 13 -3604, Arizona Revised Statutes, is repealed.

That right there, 13 -3604, and there's more down here.

You have, where is it at in here? I know it's in here. 13 -3603. So she worked, oh,

I had it pulled up here. I apologize, everybody. She wants to repeal, and this is on the,

I'll probably pull it up here in a moment. I have the bullet points, too. Yeah, from her bullet point. She repealed the previous Arizona law that criminalized abortion.

Now, I, admittedly, the bill itself was kind of weak in terms of it was inconsistent because it wasn't an equal protection sort of a law.

I think the law was if you had an abortion in Arizona, it was two to five years. It wasn't seen the way that we would want it to be seen as you're killing a human, and so equal protection.

But she worked to decriminalize past Arizona law that actually criminalized abortion and saw it as a crime.

And I find that interesting, and I find it to be something that is devastating to the work of actually ending abortion in any state or in the country.

Yeah, so essentially, I mean, there's a lot in this bill besides, it's funny because she just mentions like the discrimination, like she wants to push that, and the

Down syndrome, she wants to push that. So essentially, you can't have an abortion just because of Down syndrome, but that's going to do nothing.

Nothing. Because people don't care. If they want to abort their baby, they just can abort their baby. I'm not going to take too much time here, but just on the point, because it needs to be heard by all of us.

Everyone listening right now, please hear this big point that Pastor Luke just made, is that when you put one of these regulation bills in that says you can't kill your baby because it has

Down syndrome or other abnormalities, brothers and sisters, all the mother has to do is go into the doctor and say,

I'm not killing it because it has Down syndrome. I just don't want it. I just don't want it. I love babies with Down syndrome and spina bifida.

I love them. I just don't want this one. And what happens? It is a moot point. It's irrelevant.

All a mom has to do is say, I'm not killing it because of that. I just want to kill it. And then what's Kathy's bill do for that?

Not a thing. Also, how do we get to the point where we thought that this was the right way to approach this?

Kathy Herrod's bill and other bills like this say, don't kill the Down syndrome babies, but if a child is healthy and able, you can kill them.

Right. So don't kill the children that are handicapped, but all the other ones, they're up for grabs.

And if somebody says to me, well, that's, hey, listen, that's because that's all we can get away with right now. I would say you lack courage.

You lack consistency and shame on you. Future generations are going to look back on what you did, not as heroic acts, but as cowardice, pure, plain cowardice.

Kill all the healthy babies, but don't kill the babies with Down syndrome. And it doesn't matter anyways, because the mom just has to say,

I'm just killing it because I want to. It's absolutely irrelevant. And the shameful part of this is that Kathy Herrod took money this year for pro -life causes.

So there's that. And then let's see what else is going on. Abortion inducing drugs may not be distributed through the mail.

So as we're going through this list, none of it's actually ending abortion. Yes. I mean, that one

I just read, it may make it difficult to get plan B, but that doesn't actually end abortion.

Prohibits any public contracts with abortion providers. Prohibits public schools for promoting abortion. Well, just get your kids out of public school.

It's a simple one to that. Here's the one. Here's the one that she didn't mention either, which is just a complete joke to me.

Calls for the burial or cremation of aborted human remains. So what is that saying? You can kill your baby in the state.

This is something that Kathy Herrod advocated for. Brothers and sisters, this is the pro -life industries bill.

You can kill your baby, but you got to give it a proper burial. Or they have bills where they say, before you kill your baby, there needs to be premeditation.

You need to see it first via ultrasound. You need to hear the heartbeat. And hear the heartbeat. And then when you see the baby and hear the heartbeat, you are welcome to kill the baby.

These are pro -life industry moves. You must do it with premeditation.

Now, of course, every abortion is done with premeditation. But this is the pro -life industry actually saying, let me help you premeditate it.

You must see it first. And then you can kill it. Well, and ultimately, at the center of it is this whole idea that people who go get abortions are victims, right?

It's like, look, I know you really don't want to be here. So if I just force you to give your baby a proper burial, or I force you to look at your baby via ultrasound, then

I know that you'll do the right thing. Because you don't want to kill your baby. They haven't spent a lot of time outside of abortion.

But yeah, it doesn't work because, well, it doesn't work. It hasn't stopped people.

It had smaller hallways or larger hallways and clinics. It hasn't stopped anyone.

If anything, we've just seen our culture become more and more bloodthirsty. And then the pro -life community is helping them do it.

Joy, you make a great point on that. This is really, really important. That point about the larger hallways and what particular tools and what kind of technology you need to have in your killing facility.

What's interesting here is that what it actually does is it creates a larger Planned Parenthood organization.

Here's why. The smaller abortion facilities that can't actually get up to those regulations go out of business, which actually creates larger and more

Planned Parenthood facilities because Planned Parenthood does have the bank role to be able to actually follow those regulatory things.

So all it does is actually create a larger Planned Parenthood organization. It doesn't actually end abortion because it just feeds

Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood loves these regulations because it actually keeps them as the chief in the abortion industry.

The smaller mom -and -pop ones can't keep up. Yeah, it protects their monopoly. And abortions is mainly what they do.

That's right, exactly. So then the last thing, and this is the one that she doesn't mention ever, it says it repeals pre -roll law punishing women who get abortions.

It's leaving 13 -3603 in the books but it's eliminating the part that says that the mother is essentially guilty of a crime.

Decriminalize it. So we talked about this right after we had the rally because we had the rally two months ago.

Not even, yeah. We had the rally and it was literally the same day or the next day that she came out, so I can't support this bill.

She tweeted a couple hours after. It was funny because we talked about this but the pro -choicers were calling out her for her hypocrisy and they saw that.

So if you remember, it was the next week we did the radio show, we talked about the rally and stuff, and that's when I found on air

I saw this bill. So at the exact same time while Blackmun's putting forth this bill equal protection ended immediately she says

I'm not going to support it at the exact same time she's doing this bill that's reversing what we're trying to strengthen.

Taking away the concept that abortion is a crime for the mother or father who engage in it.

Now brothers and sisters, I know some of you guys are like, alright, I've heard some of this before that's a tragedy. We want to teach you today from scripture and engaging this in a way that answers the fool according to their folly.

We want to teach you what is the proper approach and why is this so wrong? Biblically wrong?

Why is it gospel -less? To whet your appetite, I'll just tell you this way. If, as Cathy Herod and other pro -life industry leaders say, if abortion is not something a mother or father are guilty of when they go and actually do this heinous act if they're not guilty if they themselves are also victims then the gospel does not apply to them in that.

In other words, when the mothers actually come to Cathy years later and say, you know,

I killed my child at an abortion facility five years ago Cathy Herod's position is that you're a victim.

So what does that mean? You're without shame. There shouldn't be any shame in this. So that mother is not called to repent of sin and murdering her child so she can flee to Christ for forgiveness and mercy and grace.

She's told that she's not guilty. Now watch. I doubt that happens. I'd be willing to bet that if I was a fly on the wall in a conversation like that between Cathy Herod and a mother who actually has killed her child via abortion

I'll bet that Cathy Herod tells the woman to go to Jesus for forgiveness and to experience his forgiveness and peace and grace in that which would fundamentally deny her legislative pursuits because she says,

I think on the one hand she'll say, you're a victim legislatively but I think behind closed doors, Cathy would point people to Christ to say, go to Christ for the forgiveness in this which means that something must be repented of or asked for forgiveness for which means, is she guilty or not?

Because if she is guilty and she needs the forgiveness of Christ that means it also is a crime. Do you see?

Do you see the inconsistency? There is no gospel for the victim mother in the pro -life industries narrative.

There's no gospel for her. There's nothing to tell her to come to Christ for because victims don't repent when they're victims.

They're victims. They don't need forgiveness for things that they themselves are victims of and so that's the gospel -less message.

By the way, when I say it's not Christian. The pro -life industry is fundamentally not Christian A, because they say from the very top we are not a

Christian organization we're not explicitly Christian. We're not standing on Scripture We're not submitted to the Lordship of Christ in this fight.

We're all about the science. Well, I think there's inconsistencies there, but that's what they say and they're gospel -less because they say over and over and over again and really across the board that the mother herself who brings her child to be chopped into pieces by an assassin is herself a victim.

It's gospel -less. It's a fundamentally anti -Christian movement and it is inconsistent and it's leading ultimately to these devastating moves legislatively that will never end abortion.

You want to end abortion? End it with the gospel. You want to end it? End it as a church. You want to end it?

End it with a consistent Christian worldview. That's how we end it. Well, and I'm going to say this because in case we have new people listening and we know what objections we're going to hear to what we just said.

There are exceptions when women are forced into that and they may be innocent in that.

Sex trafficking. Yeah, perfect example. There's, you know, young girls maybe they get pregnant and their mom, they're like you have to have this.

There's exceptions but just like any other crime just like any other accusation of murder it needs to go to the court of law you need to have two to three independent lines of witness and they need to be proven guilty in the court of law.

So we can't, the point is that we can't allow the exception to define the rule when it comes to this. So that, you know, the objections we always hear is well there's, you know, women that are innocent but you know, we all know the majority of the women we see come through at the abortion mill are like oh

I know what it is. It's a baby and I'm going to murder it and I don't care, I don't want it. This is just the issue at large in our churches today everyone just thinks they're so much less sinful than they actually are.

We're almost to the point as Christians where we don't even believe in sin or the gospel we just like that Jesus was nice to people and was love.

We don't totally that's still totally up to you what Jesus thought love was but it's to the point where nobody actually does anything that's sinful that requires confession or salvation to cover and that abortion is just another thing that's fallen into that category.

The position in and of itself accepts that people are basically good and they would never do something like that to their child but people do.

It's inconsistent. You can shut your ears and shut your ears?

and shut your eyes? Shut your ears and plug your eyes. Either one, either way and you can make statements about what humans are like but if you just look at the rates that people are going to have later and later term abortions people just casually pick up plan

B contraceptives that have spontaneous you don't know if you're causing an abortion they're everywhere.

It is a part of our lives and so if you really think that parents are not capable of killing their children you're wrong and you've been you've buried your head in the sand and refused to look at it.

Okay everyone so again thank you for joining us. Make sure you share this. We're going to go into the instruction here in just a moment here as to what's the truly consistent biblical position concerning these issues.

How should we be actually, how then shall we live? How should we be facing this? And then we're going to talk a bit about the consistency related to their argumentation and how they approach this but I want to encourage you with some really powerful things.

I want to first thank everybody who's been a part of End Abortion Now if you have not signed up with your church yet churchitsforendabortionnow .com

go there, sign up with your church, join us as we go out on the streets to go actually preach the gospel at the abortion facilities.

Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of children have been saved as a result of endabortionnow .com

and churches being equipped completely for free and trained to go out there to save lives at the abortion mill.

We got to go there with the gospel where the killing is taking place and of course that second leg is going to the legislative aspect of it but thank you everybody for who gave.

Thank you so much. I mean I can't even begin to express to you my gratitude because the things that are happening right now via your participation with us at endabortionnow .com

are honestly humbling and encouraging and it's just a powerful moment we're in not only are churches out saving lives at the abortion mill but we now have churches working with legislators across this country putting in bills to criminalize abortion and to have equal protection for all human beings.

The kind of equal protection that Kathy Herod fought against. The kind of equal protection that Tony Launger in Oklahoma fought against.

It's human. It's human from conception. It deserves equal protection. Well and real quickly too I was going to say we had two state reps here in Arizona in the house that had opportunities because we had two bills going if you're just catching up we had

HB 2650 and N2877. Two separate bills both trying to kind of do the same thing essentially but we had representative

Rusty Bowers and representative Pratt could have got our bills they were the ones holding up the bills to even get in a hearing going to committee and guess who was telling them not to do that?

Who? Kathy Herod. Kathy Herod. So you know there were her puppets essentially.

Yeah. And you can say that we're just lying about that. But we're not.

Yeah at that point I guess there's nothing we can't like if we're just liars there's nothing we can say so I would just recommend even clicking off if you just really legitimately can't trust what we say.

But that like you said earlier that is the pattern of what happens here.

A pro -life group steps in at some point and discourages actual change.

Someone is brave enough to say we're going to criminalize it and then somebody comes in from behind and is like and discourages it and keeps it from happening.

You guys specifically have seen it. Multiple times. Yeah and mark my words as a minister of the gospel no one's scripture says about the future.

Abortion is going to be ended. It's going to be ended. It's under all things right? It's under all things under Jesus feet.

It's going to be ended. First Corinthians 15 all enemies under the feet of Jesus. It's going to be ended but it's going to be ended with the truth.

It's going to be ended with the church. Mark my words about that. My concern here is to expose the fatal flaw of the pro -life industry to expose people like Kathy Harrod who work to keep abortion legal which is really what she's doing.

She's keeping abortion legal with her moves. She fought against a bill for equal protection which is what she pretends to believe that it's human fully human and she wants to protect it but she doesn't really believe in equal protection.

This really is an indictment upon her. It's no concern of us in terms of like oh is this going to destroy what

God's doing? Not at all. God's going to end abortion. He's going to do it through his church but this is an opportunity to really expose the inconsistent non -Christian position that someone like Kathy Harrod actually engages in and promotes and really

Kathy you know you profess to be a believer. You're going to face God for this. I mean that's something that is a very real and a very important element to consider in all of this.

You will answer to Jesus Christ there's a day of judgment and you're going to answer to Jesus Christ the

Lord of Glory the God who is a God of justice whose throne is established on justice for your writing all of these decrees that ultimately lead to the destruction of fatherless children.

You're going to answer for it. When you fought against a bill of equal protection in the state of Arizona you'll answer for that Kathy.

You will. Because that was a bill that actually spoke what you say you believe. And you resisted it out of inconsistency, out of a non -Christian position, out of cowardice.

You will answer for it Kathy. Now I don't want that to be true for you. I want you to be healed and I want you to be forgiven and I want you to be on the right side of this

Kathy. But you need to consider the very serious nature of your position and what you've been doing.

You've been behind closed doors and on phone calls Kathy, working against the bill that wants to protect children in the womb equally.

You fought against that. And you're going to answer for it. And speaking of what God is doing, we have two more, two more that are happening right now and I want to make sure you guys know about.

If you can get Dennis on the line from Red State Reform so we can talk about these. We have a bill to abolish abortion.

You guys can show the screen here. A bill to abolish abortion in South Carolina filed by State Rep Jonathan Hill. This is

H4046 House Bill 4046 The Unborn Victims of Violence Act South Carolina.

There you go. It's happening in South Carolina. Praise God. It's happening right now. H4046. Everyone pray for them.

Go and get more on how you can support this. And then there's another one happening right now and that is

State Rep Brian Slayton files bill to immediately abolish abortion in Texas.

This is House Bill 3326 House Bill 3326 Abolish Abortion Texas.

This is the Abolition of Abortion in Texas Act. So brothers and sisters, as much as people like Kathy Harrod are fighting against the end of abortion in certain states it's happening.

Brothers and sisters here's why. Because the church is doing this. Did you get that? These people who are behind these bills are coming from the position.

Oh, who's that? Is that Dennis? That must be Dennis. Dennis is calling. Sorry guys. I don't even know. How's that coming through my computer?

I don't even know. Okay, so Dennis is coming on the line here. This is coming from the church. This is coming from the people of God speaking to their legislators.

This is coming with a consistent Christian position. So right now, brothers and sisters, be encouraged.

Arizona in January. And in March, Texas and South Carolina bills to criminalize and abolish abortion coming from the church of Jesus Christ, Christians coming together, standing on God's word and fighting against this in a

Christian way and in a consistent way. And I was just going to say so everyone knows it's the same people behind all these bills.

Yes. It's Zach Lautenschlager working with Red State and with Action for Life and Bradley Pierce Red State Reform.

So it's the same people doing this. The bills in Texas, when we get done it's essentially the same bills that we just put forth here.

So what you're saying is they're not stopping. So when I say that, I know they're Christian bills because we actually are part of producing them.

Texas and South Carolina. And so praise God and thank you everybody who is being a part of EndAbortionNow .com

who gives towards EndAbortionNow .com because you are helping us with a Christian voice in this whole entire arena.

We are going to get the head of Red State Reform on right now via phone call. His name is Dennis Sarfati.

Dennis! What's up, man? What's up, brother? How you doing? I'm doing good.

I'm doing good. Enjoying the day? Good, brother. Hey, I wanted to bring you in quickly or briefly how much time you have to give to us.

I wanted to get you on to talk about Austin. We're going to be in Austin at the end of the month, March 30th.

Can you tell everybody what is going on in Austin and details on how to get connected and be there? Yeah, so Representative Slayton put in two bills.

He put in HB3326 which is very similar to the bill we had here, the

Rally for full -ban abortion prison time. And then he also put in the

HB3641 which is the Ignore Roe, Enforce Current Law. The cool thing about that is we have a companion bill in the

Senate. So Senator Bob Hall unexpectedly agreed to bring the

Ignore Roe, Enforce Current Law piece to the Senate as well in Texas. And that's

HB1671. Right on. Right on. Go ahead.

It's very similar to the one in Arizona. We're going to be out there rallying, gathering the troops, and just showing the legislators hey, listen,

Representative Slayton, you're not the only one that's in this fight. You introduced the bills like Walt did here in Arizona, but we have rowdy

Christians that are ready to fight and end the slaying of the pre -born. Right on, brother.

How do we get people connected to what's happening in Austin? There's a rally happening

March 30th Austin, Texas. I'm going to be there. I'm speaking at the rally.

You're going to be there. Where's it at? How do people get connected to show up? We need everybody to show up in Austin, Texas for this rally.

Yeah. So the rally is March 30th at the Capitol in Austin. We are going to be down there.

I think it starts at 9am with some other people talking before you and before I.

Bradley Pierce will be there. And really just kind of setting up dominion and seeing where it goes from there.

I don't know the exact details of how it's going to flow, but it's very similar to what we did here in Arizona.

Both bills are already in committee, correct? Is that the status of them? Correct. Correct.

They've already been introduced. They're in committee. So now we just need to help sway the politicians to do their job.

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas already said this year that the Constitution does not constrain the state's ability to regulate or even prohibit abortion.

So this is not a federal issue. It's a state issue. So it needs to be done across every state. You mentioned

South Carolina already introduced a bill with Representative Jonathan Hill. You're going to start seeing more states like Idaho, Oklahoma.

They're going to have more bills going across. And it's just going to take us holding these politicians accountable.

That's right. Who in Texas could be holding this up that people can contact?

Do you know? You know what? I don't know. I'm sure it's very similar here in Arizona where you have people claiming to be conservative,

Christian, love the pre -born, and then they vote against the bill. I would definitely call, wherever you are in Texas, I would call your state rep and just tell him you have to vote on these two bills,

HB 3326, which is the full ban, which that's the one we want. And then there's the other one.

Okay, you don't want to do that one? Let's go. Let's ignore Roe and enforce the current law because we have current laws already set up that were never squashed.

They're still regulated now. No one enforces them. So let's get them to do the right thing. We can get these people to right their wrongs.

That's right. It is interesting in a case like you're describing in the state of Texas where abortion is against the law currently.

It's never been struck from the books. We had that same situation in the state of Arizona, and we're just reporting on the fact that Kathy Harrod, the head of Center for Arizona Policy, worked to actually decriminalize abortion in the state of Arizona.

To actually strike any penalty. Yeah, you know, Kathy is the least pro -life person

I've ever met and called herself pro -life. It's interesting in this point because Kathy Harrod works on this side of the end of abortion in her mind to decriminalize the issue of abortion to actually take away any punishment.

Which means that if tomorrow abortion Roe vs. Wade was overturned she has now struck the ability of the state of Arizona to actually be able to penalize abortion because of her regulatory bills.

As a matter of fact, and this is the case in many states, if Roe v. Wade was overturned at midnight tonight, tomorrow abortion is still taking place in all the states because of the pro -life industry's regulation bills.

Because now those bills are written to say you cannot kill a child past 22 weeks. Which means now, in the states with Roe v.

Wade gone, you can still kill in that state a child who is before 22 weeks or whatever the case may be.

So it is in fact the pro -life regulation bills that will keep abortion legal after Roe v.

Wade is overturned. Though we do not need Roe v. Wade to be overturned to end abortion in the states, we can have enough courage, the same kind of courage we have to legalize marijuana in these states when there's federal law and federal court cases that actually criminalize marijuana the states say to those we're going to ignore those and flex our sovereignty and allow marijuana in our states.

We're willing to do it for marijuana we're not willing to do it for these human beings in the womb. Dennis, thank you brother.

Absolutely guys, love you guys. Love you too brother, look forward to being with you in Austin and we'll make sure everybody gets more details as to where you can meet us and what's going on in Austin.

Thanks Dennis. Get to the capitol in Austin. Alright brother, thank you. Alright, later guys.

Alright, so quickly, I know we've been on for a while here I just want to go over some important biblical points

Thank you everybody for staying on with us. I'm going to go over some important biblical points. Can we mention Ireland real quick? You need to actually tell me about that.

So, if you're new to Apology Radio we've been helping with end abortion now, we've been helping our friends in Ireland for oh goodness, it's going on four years now?

Yeah, about four or five years. North and south. So in Northern Ireland last year 2020 seems like it was five years ago.

So Northern Ireland is part of the UK but has been allowed to have it's own separate government in Northern Ireland but they really didn't operate or function for three years.

So last year the UK, the parliament in the UK said if you don't get your government in place we're going to force gay mirage and abortion on you.

So that's what they did. They enforced that. Now Northern Ireland has gotten, their government has kind of gotten their act together a little bit and they're meeting again and they're trying to actually fight against those laws.

Of course the pro -life industry has got their hooks in over there but they're trying to fight against this stuff.

So I just got this sent to me from one of my friends in Northern Ireland they're fighting very hard and he wanted me to share this with everyone he said we understand that next week this will be the following week after this week that the

UK parliament in London intends to move to override our local legislator at the moment Northern Ireland has abortion services but they are limited this move would force liberal laws further on us and could really endanger the rights of consciousness for doctors and medical people.

Also we understand they intend to make a normalization of abortion a facet of schooling and threaten protest rights.

At that point I want to say great job guys because it's the people we've been helping raise up and train that they're at the abortion mills preaching the gospel trying to end it.

So anyways he said it's a very critical point for them in their country and so he wanted to ask if we could let everyone know what's going on so if you are in Ireland and you're listening or if you have any way to help and encourage against that in the

UK please do. Thank you That's encouraging. Man it's really really amazing to get to experience the providence of God and bringing us to Ireland for something completely different and then having us be able to encourage the church there in this critical time for them where abortion is legalized in the republic and then also in the north and to have us be able to have the privilege, the honor, the gift to be able to talk to the believing church that is there that actually loves

God, loves the gospel, loves these children that actually makes us about the gospel it is one of the most humbling experiences of my life to actually be a part of that.

It truly truly is. Let's talk. I'm going to try to go quickly here because I don't want to belabor this point

I do have a message up on this that I did preach recently in Oklahoma but I want to talk about these points because I believe that they're critical

I believe that they will open our eyes to how are we supposed to view this considering the fact that right now we have these bills going into legislatures that will actually end abortion they would end it in the state.

Do you understand that? It would stop the killing of children in Texas South Carolina, Arizona it would be done but what's prohibiting that is the pro -life industry and their convoluted worldview, their non -Christian worldview so let's just think in terms of Christian commitments here.

As a Christian also really quickly I want to say that we understand when we say end abortion we mean in a way we mean criminalize it.

We understand that because of the murderous hearts of man, abortions will not 100 % cease to happen but they will be just like any kind of murder under the law categorized and penalized as such so when we say end abortion will be over and done we're not saying that we think people will be sinless and will no longer murder their children but we do believe that they will be penalized appropriately

Children will be protected they're not right now outside the womb they sometimes are and we don't it's not an excuse for any sort of pro -life legislator to stop the criminalization of abortion just because they think it's not going to work 100 % this is sort of a weird legal mindset we have in our country which is that if we can't 100 % prevent something that we should just totally rebel against how

God said that we should handle it we disagree I'm glad you brought that up because that's actually a blind spot as I go through this and talk about it it's the kind of thing that we don't think consistently about because if I were to present to you the case of say sex trafficking sex trafficking is illegal kidnapping and rape is illegal so sex trafficking is illegal but does sex trafficking still happen?

yes it does but everybody sees it for what it is evil and a crime every other kind of murder except for abortion when a system of government actually says we're going to protect these children we're going to give equal protection and if you kill a child we're going to call you a murderer we're going to count you as guilty of homicide when a government does that they actually experience the

Ecclesiastes chapter 8 when the sentence of justice is not executed speedily the hearts of men are emboldened to do wickedness when you don't have a government that actually is executing justice then people's hearts are emboldened to be evil do you hear that Christian?

it's not that we haven't cared adequately for women and children which we do also think you should do but a lot of people many many

Christians you just heard it it's not because many people again this goes along with the victimhood stance but people believe that because our government and we as a people have not adequately cared for women that they have been driven to kill their children what you just said totally flies in the face of that it's not an argument for the

Christian and if you're a Christian and it's your argument it's anti -biblical Deuteronomy chapter 19

I could do a number of passages here but let me point to this Deuteronomy 19 .15 this is God's standards, his judicial standards in terms of dealing with situations similar to this a single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed so what would that do in America today?

how would it protect us? when God says in Deuteronomy chapter 4 that he's given these laws to Israel and these are righteous statutes these are things that the nations are supposed to look at and say wow that's justice, that's righteousness

God's law coming to his people was not just a curse upon fallen people who can't accomplish it, showing their need for Jesus, it was also a gracious thing of God to reveal righteousness and justice, that's what it is in Deuteronomy chapter 19 .15

it is well it's what Paul quotes from when he's talking to Timothy after the cross and resurrection, so in the new covenant he points to this judicial law this courtroom law, and says that it is actually relevant in abiding in the new covenant, and that's that you must have two to three independent lines of witness to bring charges against somebody, so that would bless people actually today when we talk about people who are wrongly on death row, because of some circumstantial evidence, no real evidence, maybe one piece of circumstantial evidence, this would protect them, two to three independent lines of evidence and witness, real evidence well and again people that's where people, that's why we have departed from what

God would have us do, because we have looked at it over time and we've said we know better, because look God's way hasn't gotten us 100 % success like it hasn't worked 100 % of the time, but God's justice is 100 % of the time 100%, that's good, it will always be, here this is really good, verse 16 of Deuteronomy 19, if a malicious witness arises to accuse a person of wrongdoing then both parties of the dispute shall appear before the

Lord, before the priest and the judges who are in office in those days check this out, the judges shall inquire diligently, and if the witness is a false witness and has accused his brother falsely, then you shall do to him as he had meant to do to his brother, so you shall purge the evil from your midst, you hear that?

Don't you love how courts today in the west have cross -examination, what do you think they got that cross -examination standard from Moses?

So don't you love cross -examination, someone who just gets pulled into a courtroom, kangaroo trials and someone just gets accused and they just get thrown, you know, into the gulag or have their head severed, you know, just with no cross -examination no opportunity, this says you can't even bring charges against a person unless there's two to three independent lines of witness, and if somebody is found to be a false witness via cross -examination, then somebody who lies in court against their neighbor and it's caught, they find out you lied in order to get your neighbor punished, then the justice is, the person who lied, the malicious witness after cross -examination takes place is going to get the punishment that they intended to bring upon their neighbor.

They become the perpetrator and the person who is falsely accused becomes the victim. Because they are the victim.

But yeah, but they, and exactly right, and they intended, say for example I accused you of murder and I lie in court, you know

I saw Joy, she did this, and the penalty for you, say, would have been if it was real, if it was real murder the penalty for you would have been, say, capital punishments.

Well if I'm a malicious witness and it would have led to her being killed, I attempted to kill her by lying.

That was where that would have ended. So the malicious witness in court in God's standards actually would be penalized with the punishment they would have gotten.

How would that serve our court system today? If you told malicious witnesses, if you lie you're going to get what they would have gotten.

How many malicious witnesses would go, no, not worth it. Right? I'm not going to do it. No, check this out.

It says and you shall rest and the rest shall hear and fear and shall never again commit any such evil among you.

What is to watch? What does true justice in the courts do? Is it creates fear over the justice of the court system.

The people will say, I cannot act in an unjust manner, I cannot be a malicious witness because that court is just and it will cause people to fear to live in a way that is righteous and just and not pervert justice and destroy their neighbor.

But here it is. Are you ready? This is God's standards for the court. Your eye shall not pity.

Let's stop there. When I said that fundamentally from the Christian perspective,

Kathy Herod in the pro -life industries position, methodology is not Christian, that's what I mean.

Your eye shall not pity. When somebody is truly guilty, when they are truly guilty, you according to just standards are not supposed to pity them.

Do we want people who are in jail to hear the gospel? Christians have jail ministries all over the planet preaching the gospel to people.

We want people who have been accused of crimes, sentenced to punish, we want them to know

Jesus, know the gospel. We're the ones with the prison ministries, Christians are. But in terms of what they're guilty of, we're not supposed to pity justice being done.

It's a sin to say to a person who's guilty of murder, oh,

I'm so sorry for you. No, you're not really guilty. No, I feel so bad. I feel so bad for you that nobody's supposed to see you that in a way that you're really guilty.

We're not supposed to pity. I'm not supposed to pity when the judge hands down a just sentence to a thief.

I'm not supposed to say, your honor, you really need to be nicer to the thief. That's not

Christian. It sounds sappy. It sounds like it's the hippie surfer

Jesus with the lamb under his armpit. But it's not Jesus. Your eye shall not pity.

When justice is being done in court, you are not supposed to pity. It shall be, it says, life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

That means there must be equal justice applied in the court system, and you are not supposed to pity it when it's done.

The standard here is basically equal justice. Doesn't that sound familiar? Equal protection for all human beings in the state of Arizona.

That's what we fought for. And what did Kathy Herrod and the pro -life industry do? They said, no, we need to pity these mothers who are killing their children.

We've made victims out of perpetrators. We've made victims out of perpetrators. That's what's led to the removal of the death penalty in many states, and resulted in taxpayers funding the caging of human beings.

People being caged up like animals. Yeah, human beings caged like animals for 75 years, and then the community around them paying for their crime for the rest of their life.

We pay for the crime of the perpetrator for the rest of their lives, because we have pity for the person who actually kidnaps a 7 -year -old girl out of her bedroom when she's sleeping, mutilates her, rapes her, and then throws her body away.

That's a real case, by the way. I watched that interrogation recently. It was amazing to see the police officers who caught this guy.

That's a real thing. And people say, no, I really will feel bad for the guy. It's because we don't believe. We believe that when people act that way, they're acting outside of their nature.

But they're not. Right. I don't want to distract you.

Go ahead. I'm just going to point another point out here. I read at the beginning of the show today, I read Proverbs 17, 15. Some of you guys are probably wondering, why did he read that one?

Well, here's why I read it. He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the

Lord. So, here we go. Ready? Acquit the guilty, acquit the wicked, and that's an abomination to God.

Condemn the righteous, an abomination. Most people say, I get it. If you say a righteous person is in fact guilty, that's evil.

Well, it's equally evil in God's eyes to acquit the guilty, to justify them.

And what is the pro -life industry doing that is fundamentally so not Christian? Is they're justifying the wicked.

They're acquitting the wicked. They're attempting their own brand of propitiation over this particular sin.

As though they can be the ones that can atone for that sin.

It's a terrible thing to think about. In terms of, we have trusted the pro -life industry to be fighting this fight consistently, unaware of the fact that they are explicitly telling us we're not

Christian, we're not standing on this revelation, and we don't think that the gospel applies to women who kill their children, their victims.

The pro -life industry, and this is a fact, I'll debate you on it, Kathy Harrod, you are acquitting the wicked.

The person who murders their own offspring. God hates the hands that shed innocent blood.

These mothers and fathers go in and they shed innocent blood. And you are saying, no, you're also victims.

You are not guilty. You are acquitting the wicked. And God says, that's an abomination.

That's weighty. I know. I know this sounds heavy. I know this sounds radical. I know to some this sounds crazy.

That's some hard words from Pastor Jeff there. Brothers and sisters, that's in the word of God.

That's God's word. You believe that or you don't. Jesus says, you're either with me or you're against me. Look, let's stop playing games here.

This is either the word of the living God and we believe it or it's not and we don't. Pick a side.

And Jesus says that. Jesus says, come die or don't come. Follow me or die in your sins.

Jesus says, you're with me or you're against me. The person who acquits the wicked is an abomination to God.

That's what the Bible says. Go ahead. So I just had a side note. I didn't want to distract from where you were going, but I think this is important.

There's a guy in the chat here that I'll read a couple of his comments here just quickly because I think this is important.

He said, Deuteronomy 4 says the law was given to Jews in the nation Israel, not Gentiles or church age or royal family.

Then he goes on to say that no one ever keeps the law except Jesus. I am in him by faith.

He's a Christian and he fulfilled the law. So quickly, the problem with that line of thinking is that obviously

God holds all nations throughout Scripture accountable to the law that he gave to the

Jews. So even though he gave it to the Jews, he gave it to Israel. He holds all men accountable to that law.

Because it's his own moral law and character. Exactly. He said it's not for Gentiles or the church age, which obviously we have a number of shows that talk about...

I'll give you one verse. Just make it easier for you. You can hear right past it. Post -cross, post -resurrection, post -ascension.

This is the Apostle Paul, after he explains justification, is through faith alone. Apart from the law, the law can justify nobody, but the law will be used to shut the whole world's mouth, by the way, which contradicts your claims there.

He says, verse 31, Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means.

On the contrary, we uphold the law. So, contrary to that claim, the Apostle Paul, I think a very reliable resource to us, says that, contrary to your claim that the law is ultimately irrelevant now, it was for Israel, not for anybody else, he says to Jewish and Gentile Christians, he says, we actually established the law because of faith in Jesus Christ.

Which is, by the way, why he actually appealed to case law, animal husbandry laws, the death penalty, the

Ten Commandments, after the cross, after the resurrection, after the ascension of Jesus. Go ahead. Yeah, so we have a ton of shows where we talk about how the

New Testament assumes the law. I'm not going to get into depth on that right now, but one thing

I wanted to point out, because I was actually, when you were talking about how things, like one or two witnesses and all that,

I was going to make a joke and say, no, that comes from English common law. So he said, well, the royal family doesn't apply to the royal family.

It's like, well, the royal family used English common law, which is based upon biblical law, right?

And so our laws in our nation today are based upon English common law, which was based upon biblical laws.

And just quickly, the last thing I wanted to say was, you know, he said, well, Jesus came. Here he said again, Lord Jesus fulfilled the law.

Yes, he did. He did not come to abolish it. Read the rest of the verse. Matthew 5, 17 through 19.

He didn't come to abolish it. He came to fulfill it. And he said this, if any one of you teaches anybody to violate even the least of these commandments, you'll be called least in the kingdom of heaven, which

I think is a very, very terrible position to put yourself in. I've been responding to this guy the whole episode without saying

I'm responding. Oh, okay. I didn't even realize. So what you should do is you should listen, re -listen to this episode because it was basically for you.

Yes. There you go. Okay. Let's end on this because we are up in our time here.

When the pro -life industry says that the mother is a victim, it shows that we've been indoctrinated.

We don't talk this way about other evils and injustices. Let me demonstrate it to you. We want sex trafficking to be unthinkable.

That's what pro -life industry says about abortion. We want abortion to be unthinkable. I want abortion to be a crime.

Yeah. Okay. There's a difference there. But we don't talk this way about other things, other evils. Watch. We want sex trafficking to be unthinkable, but we don't want to punish the pimps and kidnappers.

They're just victims. They're victims of their environment. They're victims of their circumstances, from where they're from.

You know, that's just all they could do. It's the only way they can make money. They're also victims of this whole evil empire sort of a thing.

We don't talk that way. Also, and again, this is a key point, if the woman and the father killed their children, are victims, there isn't any gospel for them.

Victims don't need to repent because victims are innocent. Well, isn't it weird though because the gospel, their salvation lies in the pro -life movement or some random individual telling them you don't have to be sorry for that.

Yeah. Right. They're taking on, not only are they saying that the guilty are victims, but they're also offering totally baseless, hopeless hope to the person that needs it.

Yes. Yeah. No, that's a good point, and I think it needs to be highlighted consistently for us as Christians to be able to see this is in fact not consistent or Christian in its methodology or its thinking, its mindset.

It's really important and it's not just regarding the issue of abortion because this is how

Christians think right now. Yes. That's good. That's excellent. Also, here, watch this.

When you resist a bill of equal protection, it shows that you don't really believe that it's fully human from conception.

Otherwise, you would want equal justice. Did you get that? When you resist a bill of equal protection, you say, look,

I want the baby in the womb to be treated as every other human, same standards, justice, equal justice for all.

When you oppose a bill of equal protection, what you're saying is that you don't believe that what's in the womb is fully human because you don't think it's worthy of equal protection.

So when the pro -life industry fights against equal protection bills, it's a tacit admission that they don't believe that it's fully human in the womb.

Because what would you want as a pro -life person in the industry when a mother takes her two twin girls who are six years old and drowns them in the lake?

What would you want for that mom? Is she guilty? You would say yes. But you're not saying it about the mother who kills her child in the womb.

She's not guilty. Why is that? I would say indoctrination. I would say inconsistency. I would say non -Christian worldview.

And I would say ultimately it's a revelation that maybe you don't believe it's fully human in the womb. And I'll just say this final word here.

When we talk about incremental bills, this is important. We pass bills and get behind bills in the pro -life industry that we wouldn't do for any other evil.

For example, when we pass a bill that says, hey, we passed a bill praise for this bill we passed, it says that you can no longer kill a child using sharp instruments.

You can only use suction or chemical. That's horrifying first of all.

But also, would you talk that way about slavery? As long as your field rows are this wide, you may have as many slaves as you want.

You can beat your slaves, just don't use a sharp instrument to do it. Would you accept that?

You wouldn't accept that. Or when we say something like, okay, these abortion facilities, we pass legislation that says the abortion facility must be up to regular health code.

Would you talk that way about, say, a sex trafficking house? That sex trafficking shall be permitted there only so far as they are up to city code.

Would you do that? Yes. You wouldn't do that. I don't believe it. And I don't believe you'd do it, and I think the reason we're here now is because we have been so indoctrinated and we are so much filled with cowardice that we won't fight against the murder of unborn children in the womb in the same way we fight against other evils.

Why? Because, watch, the culture largely hates kidnapping and rape and sex trafficking, and so it's easy for us to say, no tolerance, equal protection, justice, justice, justice, because everybody agrees sex trafficking and enslaving people is evil.

So it's easy to fight against sex trafficking because everybody agrees. For how much longer?

Yeah, it takes courage. It takes courage during the time of the legalization of slavery, and it takes courage during the time of the legalization of abortion to fight against those evils.

And that's why it was the Christian church that ended slavery, and it will be the

Christian church that ends abortion. Because it takes the kind of big faith in a big

God to fight against an evil like abortion in our age. And I'll tell you what, the pro -life industry doesn't have that kind of courage.

They don't, because they fight against bills like equal protection bills in Arizona and Texas and Oklahoma and South Carolina, because ultimately they are fundamentally opposed to a commitment to the

Lordship of Christ and to His law. Amen. Alright. So there you go.

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