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Ladies and gentlemen, could I please have your attention? I've just been handed an urgent news story, and I need all of you to stop what you're doing

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It's Dominic the donkey Santa's got a little friend.

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His name is Dominic The cutest little donkey you'll never see him kick.

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My name is Exploring theology doctrine and all of the fascinating subjects in between Broadcasting from an undisclosed location dead men walking starts

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Well, hello everyone, welcome to an episode of dead men walking podcast But is it really an episode of dead men walking podcast?

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No, I think it's a three -way episode Christmas special live stream.

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Let's go I've got

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Keith Bosky about Claude Ramsey. What's going on brothers? Well, hello And I've got an elf that they got fired it looks like oh

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Hey, yeah So every year here I do a

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Christmas live stream or special Deadman walking podcast, but this year we are showing you a

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Christmas special Sharing the live stream because I have Claude Ramsey from here. I stand theology podcast I have Keith Bosky from conversations with a

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Calvinist your Calvinist on Twitter where he Likes to make those funny videos that you know so much about Now granted we've got a

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U of M fan and we've got a Roll Tide fan here today Keith I don't know where you land, but you know, it might get tense between Claude and I but we're gonna put that aside because we're brothers in the

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Lord. This is the baptisterian Christmas special, right? Two to one but we're gonna have guests stopping in all hour for you guys on the live stream from one o 'clock to 2 15

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Every 10 minutes or so someone's gonna pop in here's the fun part is Keith and Claude don't know who they are

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They don't know who the guests are. So it'll be a fun reaction from them. We'll get to talk We're gonna talk about Christmas presents crazy

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Christmas experiences and just have a good time fellowship in the Lord. So what's going on brothers? I'm doing good.

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I see Eric out there. Hey Eric, how you doing? My friend diehard is a Christmas movie and you know it

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What did you just click on Brandon Merry Christmas, bro Southwest is oh, that's scary.

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Yeah And also for those users that are saying boom We don't know who you are.

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If you would go to stream yard comm forward slash Facebook give stream yard permission to use your info

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So with that we know who you are and we can give you credit if you say anything funny Yeah, I need him to come and help me out

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I'm doing some changes to my podcast at the first of the year I I Mean look at the background.

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We've got the live background the video in the beginning. He's got the cameras all set up I love it, man.

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Thanks for doing that. Hey, you're welcome I just want to make mention that I contributed absolutely nothing to this except for this hat

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Makes it worth it So what's going on are we ready for Christmas or what not at all

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Our family well our family's been sick for two weeks so all the fun and I know that's not funny

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But it is the reality. We've just had flu go through our house for two weeks So we've we have had no time to do anything

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Christmassy, so it's been really rough No, but but we're bringing it back this week we're going to have a festivus celebration this

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Saturday We have some folks coming over and if you don't know what festivus is festivus is a celebration based on the television show

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Seinfeld and we are going to have a Aluminum pole because you don't have a

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Christmas tree because tinsel is distracting we're going to have feats of strength which are actually arm wrestling competitions and We are going to have an airing of grievances where everybody tells other people how they have disappointed you this year.

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That's Right December 23rd at my house and We got some folks coming if you are truly doing that that is no it is that that's a that's a real thing

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We are awesome. In fact, one of the ladies one of the ladies coming had never seen the show So I made her watch it just so she could just so she could have fun with it

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Oh, so you're doing this with your some church congregants and members. It's some friends from church

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And my brother who is He's he's kind of crazy. So we're we just we were supposed to have a

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Christmas vacation party But the sickness the sickness killed that one, but um, we were gonna have we were gonna give away

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Jelly the month club subscriptions. We were gonna do all kinds of fun stuff for a Christmas vacation celebration

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You know, I'm sitting here in between two pastors. I have to say probably to keep a healthy church It is good to have an area

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That's Open right Greg James Norman asked the question are

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Baltic Coastals invited to or I don't know if that's to you or Keith I don't even know that means why does

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James Mormon think I have a vocabulary? What is a Baltic Coastal? He's trying to say Babs Acosta.

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I think he spelled it wrong I was like, okay. Is this guy with Eastern European descendant?

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He lives in Maine. What's going on? He's a Baltic Coastal That Babs Acosta is a is a person who believes in speaking in tongues and once saved always saved

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If you believe in both of those you're Babs Acosta, yeah, that's It's always funny because I always said

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I grew up in a non -denominational church But then when I look back on it, it was just it was Baptist all non -denominational

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Basically just steal Mario oh no

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Mario. He said Festivus is a pagan holiday Well, no, what we did was we we reappropriated it.

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We we went ahead and took it Shouldn't there be a Santa Claus doll on top of the

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Festivus pole Well, yeah, it's all awkward if you So a key real quick so you just did an episode on is

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Christmas a pagan holiday didn't you over Conversations with the Calvinist it was very interesting.

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Give us a recap of that. Give us a two -minute. What'd you guys talk about? All right, so we deal we dealt with four things

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One was the dating of Jesus's birth at December 25th. A lot of people believe that's connected to Pagan gods who are born on December 25th.

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That's that that's a Heaping steaming pile of reindeer feces. That's not true. December 25th has nothing to do with pagan beliefs it had to do with the belief of the dating of the

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Annunciation which was the when Mary received the when Mary received her

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Statement from the the angel that she was gonna have a baby. That's what the early church fathers weren't concerned with pagans

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They were concerned with actually getting it right and whether or not they got it, right? We don't know but it has nothing to do with that. So that's number one

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The second thing we dealt with was Santa Claus. We had a little debate about whether or not it's right to lie to your children

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I don't believe Pretend play is lying So we had a conversation about that and I know people disagree with me on that but we had fun with that We talked about Christmas trees.

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Jeremiah 10 is not about Christmas trees. I promise you it's about making idols And that's what we talked about.

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And then the last one was about gift -giving I said every culture and everywhere Throughout history has given gifts.

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Don't it's not pagan It just is something people do Jesus said a good father gives good gifts to his children

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So there's nothing wrong with gift -giving so that was our four things and we we we we demonstrated that people who are concerned with Christmas being pagan are

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Or just a little too uptight Agreed By the way,

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I want to mention The guys over at the laborers podcast, which is Claude and I are connected with them

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I'm currently stroking my beard with my beard brush that was sent to me. At least I think it's a beard brush

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Okay, you got the same one Rob sent you one. Yeah Also, Dave Hassan Brock said non -denoms are just cooler

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Baptists Well, we're you're gonna be non -denominational our friend

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Keith Vosky says you're gonna be cooler yeah, well if you love Jesus if you love Jesus, you're gonna be non -denominational and have a have a feeding trough as her

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Baptistry You know, I was I was baptized or no, not it was

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I know one of my kids when like 13 years old Was baptized in a What is it not

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Trader Joe's? What's the tractor supply? Yeah Feeding thing, you know what?

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I mean? It's like Yeah Yeah Everybody everybody at my church wants to get baptized in the ocean and the last time

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I went to baptize a guy in the ocean I wasn't deep enough and I went to take him down and he didn't go under so I had to like chokeslam him on the second turn his feet

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He went head backwards feet stuck up it was it was You're gonna be a holy ghost

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Unlike unlike Greg's church. You're gonna get immersed at my church, baby. We don't just heater we put water here and everywhere

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John Johnson non -denominational means you have a Baptist church with drums.

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Yeah, so that's big John from real talk of big John Yeah, he's a good guy.

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Hey, here's Robert and here's Robert Knapp and as a matter of fact, yep, and that's that's the yep

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Hi, hi, Robert. Hey, was that the beard brushes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He yeah, so who's a character on Adam and Adam's family?

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Yeah I need to get me one of those. I mean look at us.

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We all got these beautiful beards That's right Rob, let's let's get Greg one of these and I will put the bill for it

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Christmas present Real quick, hold on. I want to do something.

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Hold on. Okay, we're waiting. I'm just did I just did a screenshot I'm gonna put on Twitter What were you doing

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Shot so that I could post this on Twitter and ask who has the better beard. Oh good

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Lord Lines here folks. Look at the lines. You got the gray in the black going perfect, man

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I mean you look like a you know, you're making out with a scope but Hey one of the best compliments which

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I don't know if it was offhanded or not that I've ever received Was at potluck feast two years ago here in Knoxville.

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You remember the reformed dissenters were right beside of us. Yep So their mom Told me

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I was like a stepped up phil robertson Stepped up. All right

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Well, you're you're definitely phil robertson with better theology if I can say. Yeah, that's true. Yes church

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Church of christ got them some problems Oh Man that's funny

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So, uh, what kind what kind of uh christmas horror stories do we have or great christmas stories or good gifts bad gifts?

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We were going to talk about that a little bit But obviously if people pop it in the conversation will go where it goes but um

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You guys have a good audience. Oh someone coming in. Yeah, we got a poppy and hang on just a moment

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Hey, oh yes Goodness it's the it's the sheen version of owen strahan.

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He's here I'll just say

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I tell you guys now if he grows a beard we're all losing right? You know that so He's hairless on the on the face there.

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We have a chance. Yeah, he's he's a beautiful man. I'm gonna tell you something That's a

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It's like it's like a george seinfeld with an unblemished record of heterosexuality We've got another poppy and you want me to go ahead and bring him in?

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Oh, geez. Okay. I didn't know we had two at this time Hey Hello there

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So we just had uh, pastor kevin hayne pop in I just got some presbyterian backup with ad robles

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Uh ad, I don't know if you know claude ramsey from here. I stand keith foskey from your calvinist

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Uh, we're just talking christmas stuff man. Happy to have you in. Hey, i'm glad to be here. It's a real party. Yeah Had a good time

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It's a very bad hysterian christmas special that's right So, uh, kevin, why don't you uh, tell all the listeners a little bit about give us a little 30 second bio so they know you

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Yeah, cool. Uh, kevin hay Uh pastor at redeemer bible church in gilbert, arizona been here since june

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Um married to my wife alicia 17 years and we have eight kids. So that's that's us

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Oh, awesome ad shut yourself out. What's going on? Oh, yeah, you know i'm uh, i'm a big youtuber, you know big youtuber

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Yeah, I uh, you know, yeah i've got a youtube channel, uh, I tweet on twitter quite a few times

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And uh, you know, that's pretty much it Yeah, if you hear of something that gets to like the gospel coalition or gets to the front page of christianity today

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Um, usually you're seeing one of ad's tweets intertwined somewhere. So yeah He has his pulse on the heartbeat of twitter x

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Yeah, I know that that's true. And I and I also I I want to plug this. This is my new series. I do uh,

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I do uh, uh thinking winsomely a chat tgc podcast And uh, what I do is

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I go to chat gpt and I prompt them to write You know something stupid in the style of gospel coalition and it just nails it every single time.

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It's unbelievable. It's really funny You should check it out All right, so right before you guys popped in we were talking about uh, worst christmas presents ever any of you guys got uh,

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Worst christmas present one. You just go. Oh, man. That was rough or that was a bad one. I'll throw it out to anyone

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Yeah, i'll go first. I came prepared for this. So That's a good baptist does that's right.

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That's right always prepared. Uh, no my brother -in -law, uh Historically has been the one to give me the worst christmas presents ever

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Uh, and i'm a book lover. So he got me a book but um, you guys may know the name ted haggard.

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Remember that name? So ted haggard apparently wrote Books plural but in particular this book was the one given to me one christmas from my brother -in -law

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And the book if you can see it, it's dog training fly fishing and sharing christ in the 21st century

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Wait, wait for it Empowering your church to build community through shared interests

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About ted haggard, uh, you know why that's such a bad christmas present Oh, that's good.

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Yeah build a church through fishing. All right Um, you know, it's crazy I feel like the 90s was littered with those books where they books and bibles where they would just do them themed

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Like the fishermen's uh devotional the hunter's bible They would just pick a hobby someone had and then try to make like sell a book or even like a bible out of it

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You know, I don't know. What's the hunter's bible? What's you know, it's camo Come on I don't know

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The church and the attempt to try to bring uh masculinity in with something other than just the truth of god

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So, yeah, very true How about you claude you get something? Uh, the uh at christmas that you're just like, oh

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Um, i'm on a public platform. So i'm gonna say no everything i've ever received has been fantastic Actually guys i'm gonna be the guy that says this

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I man I can't complain my family's super thoughtful my wife Her parents they put so much thought and effort into gifts.

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I cannot complain I thought you were gonna say that hat sweatshirt Roll tide

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Just in case there's any misunderstanding roll tide All right, we'll see how you do against j .j.

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McCarthy As a buckeye fan, I can't say much so i'm just gonna be quiet Okay I'm just booing.

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Oh Is it coming across over there or no? No, it's not very soft. Very soft

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Oh, well, that's no good. Yeah, that was one of my drops. Okay, uh, What about you keith?

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Was it the hat? Is that the hat you're wearing? Was that your worst? Let me tell you something I bought myself this hat and don't give me any don't give me any crap.

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All right I would not admit that Somebody's about to get their mouth busted at the christmas babbittate babsisterian christmas special That's right

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That's all right. I I chokeslam all my enemies I know

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Oh, go ahead. No good. No, you're you go No, I was just saying I do remember when I was younger Uh, we had a my father's mother my grandmother on my father's side

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Uh, we grew up very very, uh poor and she had some money and she was grandma goody

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And she would always get those big gifts the bikes and the you know The things that you thought were out of reach she would come through with it

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Every year just overdid it for all of the grandkids Uh, and always make sure had to be fair and you know

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Everyone got big gifts and all this stuff in one year for a side gift for like just a little you know

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She got the big gift. She got us all these they were called christmas blocks And it was just it was just a plastic rectangle and you pack the snow in it

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And then you make like an igloo out of it And I remember us bratty little kids just making fun of those things for the whole entire day we're at the christmas bar not not looking at the

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Hundreds and hundreds of dollars of gifts that she got us. We picked up this Plastic block, you know

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Meanwhile, i've got a you know, three hundred dollar mountain bike which back in you know, 89 was with inflation

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That's a thousand dollar bike, you know And but we're making fun of these blocks and to this day poor grandma, man

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She's a 80 in her mid 80s. Love her to death. Just saw her a couple days ago And I remember he got those christmas boxes.

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Oh you be quiet, you know The the one time she got us something it was it was I just never seen that before or since I mean

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I guess they do have them but it's essentially a plastic rectangle with a little handle on it Yeah, and in the label made it look like the kids are having so much fun, man.

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They're building these huge eskimo Uh igloos and then you go out to try it and unless the snow is full of you know water and actually packs

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It's just it's just making mounds of snow I don't know But other than that i'm with you, uh claude i'm very appreciative every year uh as men too as fathers as men uh i've seen a lot of people talking about it more this year than last but My joy comes in being able to provide for my family for my wife to see the joy on their face

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I could care less really what I get at christmas and plus let's be honest We we all do well, we probably all go out and get what we need anyway throughout the year

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Yeah, i'll end up to an age to where I like socks. Hey, give me that We can't use more socks. Let's go as long as they're the ones

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I like Yeah, you know socks and uh boxer brief. Let's go Let's get too personal for you guys.

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Sorry I mean, I don't wear those. What do you mean? Yeah, it's amazing how things change when you're a kid

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You're just like socks and underwear what and now it's like come on bring on the socks and underwear This is the only time of the year

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I have clean underwear I rarely buy clothes. So I I only get them for gifts

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Okay, so what you don't do your own clothes shopping ad what do you I mean you're not a big clothes guy I just I just you know

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I was just thinking about this just the other day And I had I had a shirt on and I looked over to my my left and there's a picture of me in Ethiopia at a mission trip or whatever and i'm wearing the same shirt.

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That was like 10 years ago, you know I buy clothes, but I keep it forever Yeah Hey, I like it frugal.

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You know what I mean? Like if it's not broke don't fix it if it's not stained don't throw it out Right. Yeah Well, that was that was going to actually be mine

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You mentioned bad gifts and it's not bad gifts because again like you guys I love the fact that people even think about me

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Give me gifts, but people give me clothes and I am not the easiest. I'm a I'm a larger man

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And so when somebody goes, oh, well, this will fit you. It looks like it'll fit you and i'm like no

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My mom will get me shirts that I gotta wear over other shirts because they don't close But I still gotta wear it because my mama bought it

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So if you ever see me wearing a shirt over a shirt, just know that I live in florida I'm hot, but i'm trying to make my mom happy It just won't button and the little hairs in my chest will stick through I've never got i've never gotten a bad gift because you know,

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I managed to dodge bad gifts Like actually this year i've got a buddy who has season tickets to the jets and he's like hey, man

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You know, do you want to take the christmas eve game? You take your son? I was like That sounds like a curse and i'm

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The way things are going with the jets. I mean that was a dodge bullet right there You could you might have you might have helped them just by going.

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I don't know Now that would have my gift to you. I'll take your tickets. You don't have to go Hey, that's addison just jumped on and said my parents rewrapped our own toys and gave them back to us

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See that's genius My kids don't know half of what they have. Anyway, that's actually yeah,

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I can get away with that Hey, there's my buddy chris hans hold on. Hey chris. Good to see you, buddy

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That's my own personal captain america right there if you don't know who chris hans hold it he does He does live appearances dressed as captain america.

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He won't do my podcast dressed that way though, and that really bothers me Why not? Okay, hey last minute christmas idea for you

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Oh man, so what do you guys uh, keith and a or keith, uh, kevin and uh ad what do you guys got going on for this christmas

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Anything good? Yeah. Yeah i'm i'm staying home for for the for actual christmas and then i'm going to my mother's house in west virginia

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For uh for new year's and stuff like that. So it'll be good man I've got and i've got some big surprises for the kids this year too.

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They have no clue I can't say it now because they might be listening. Yeah, um, but uh, it's gonna be fun, man

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Yeah, I said I sent our uh, live stream link to uh your kids Yeah, so being in arizona things are going to be different for us this year obviously being 2000 miles away from ohio but Um, yeah, we will do uh, the eight services this coming weekend, uh, both saturday and sunday

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Um, and then my man went big eva on me. Yeah At 27 different locations at our big eva multiplex and mini mall

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We got people flying in from the ceiling Run on high it's gonna be crazy

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Um, yeah in reality each service is like three to four hundred people because the campus is just of such a size

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You know, we've got about 2 000 people that come through but uh, you know, you get lots of visitors on christmas So that's the reason for extra services.

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Typically. It's five two on saturday three on sunday, but um, yeah, anyway, we'll do the services celebrate christmas together on monday and then we'll

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Uh hit the road on tuesday and head back to ohio for a bit Uh, so I won't be far from ad there visiting his family and uh, we'll stay through the new year and then and then

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We'll experience ohio cold weather and we'll be back to the beautiful weather of arizona. So yeah

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What part of ohio are you going to? Uh, so the southernmost part it's about two and a half hours east of cincinnati

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Uh little town minford there really close to the river. So yeah My dad was in heberley ohio.

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It's pretty pretty close. Yeah, 30 minutes 30 minutes from there same county. So that's awesome Yeah Small world it is ad you said you you had some surprises for your kids

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Does that mean you're going to be surprised on christmas too or or no? No, no, I know I know everything his wife bought all the gifts.

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Of course, he's gonna be surprised. You don't know what the heck he bought his kids What are you talking about?

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Oh, man, my kids come up to me. Thanks dan for that. I go. Oh, yeah. Yeah That's right on I was absolutely not not there when

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My wife bought that when mom bought that now. Yeah, we do christmas shopping together. It's fun It's it's fun to get stuff with the kids.

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I'm the one who actually my wife reels me in I get a little too Into it. I go just a couple more

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Let's and she's like no she goes where we came from as kids. This is insanity. Okay, so we

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We curved it back a little bit this year Every every year we try to do this thing where people somebody gave us this idea

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We're like, you know something to wear something to read something to that They want and something that they need right that lives is this thing?

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So like it's four gifts for each kid. We have six kids So that's still a lot of gifts but it's never works out that way because I always see something i'm like Oh, I want them to have that and it doesn't fit into those four categories

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So I end up having it and then I got to get all of them something because I got the you know I mean i'm not a communist, but I do make sure that all my kids get a fair amount of gifts

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Yeah Distribution of gifts and labor for all the kids

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Yeah, he owns the means of gifts and labor. Okay Oh, you guys have any strange traditions you do or unique traditions you do with your family for christmas?

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Maybe on christmas day or something like that. I know we read through luke My mom started this when I was younger as we this is so funny and she's probably gonna okay

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I can't believe i'm telling you this but we When we were younger Uh, we would sing happy birthday to jesus

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Nice so we've done that a few times with our kids just because mimi, uh, my mom, you know, grandma does it and I I always just went

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Talking if I tell people they go what why are you singing? Yeah birthday cake too and all that No My wife my wife's family did the birthday cake for jesus.

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Is that right? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, so you're not you're not too far gone, man Yeah, that's pretty

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Not that it's not that uncommon, I guess Ad in his eyes, he just lost respect for both

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So fast dude, look at he's like I cannot wait to jump off of this live stream with these two psychos singing.

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Happy birthday Eating cake for jesus you you said lost respect.

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I don't know if you I don't know where I was on that chain I work really hard to stay right at the bottom rung of anyone's respect level.

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That way i'm never disappointing Low expectations Baby I mean that sales 101 right under promise over deliver, baby

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You're a hero every day That was at my wedding

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Vows Around christmas time as a family our primary thing really

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Is with april's family, um her her family has generations and generations where they have just every christmas the whole family gets together the

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The patriarch of the family reads the christmas story We sing songs.

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There's a lot of times testimonies sometimes preaching. I mean, it's church. It's a blessing to be

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Do you go back and re -baptize everyone in case the first one wasn't a true confession of faith, you know, just to make sure

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No, no The key is to make sure the first baptism sticks, okay

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Let them know what it means to be buried With the cross in the water

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Well, that's why that's why I hold them under until they bubble That's what you gotta do. You gotta hold them until they start kicking and then you know, it's right

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Yeah, exactly. Hey, we've got another pop in here we go. Let me Let me hit a button

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Oh Good how are you guys doing?

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Good guys. Andrew just jumped on the live stream. Uh, kevin ad you guys are more than welcome to stick around But if you do have somewhere to go, we won't be mad if you pop off too

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But if you want to stick around for the conversation, we got people coming in and out all Andrew what's up, brother?

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I know that those guys want to leave now that i'm here. I get it. No way Man ad still hasn't returned my call man.

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What's up? Oh, we've got beef on the live stream awkward moments

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He said i'll call you back So so what's with all this christmas stuff Uh, well,

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I know you're jewish, but I thought you were christian though, too, right? You are wearing this thing called christian, uh, you know the birth of christ

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Everybody since I became a christian And started going to church People would tell me that I needed to have a christmas tree and I always ask them one simple question

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Give me one good reason why I need a christmas tree other than the fact that you grew up with one

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And that pretty much silences everyone I think you all need menorahs eight days candle lighting singing in hebrew go for it

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Jesus song who wants to start Love heart I think you need a rich outfit is what you need.

33:17

Andrew, you know, we all grew up with presents too Doesn't mean we need those but come on I think this podcast is restricted.

33:27

Never mind I was gonna make a caddyshack reference. I think i'll leave that out Okay, you know,

33:33

I won't get that. Yeah, I don't get pop culture I know I was just telling the guys that we had a weird tradition growing up My my mom would have us sing happy birthday to jesus on christmas day

33:45

Hey, I I Want to do that too. It's not just the tree. You also have to do that I I did that I thought we shared that last night or yesterday at church.

33:55

I would do that with the kids I wasn't into the tree. So we didn't have a tree

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I don't think I don't think we had a tree until maybe Maybe 10 years ago.

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My wife decided to get a christmas tree for the kids And i'm like, they're teenagers. What do you think? Do you get the cake though?

34:11

Do you have a birthday cake? No, my wife doesn't let me eat cake what are you talking about?

34:19

Okay, real real quick side topic, uh, what is everybody's favorite Christmas dessert.

34:25

What is your favorite and well andrew since you are you just popped in what's your favorite? Do you guys do like a christmas dinner?

34:30

I know you're I know you don't want christmas trees, but do you at least eat? Okay, so Little debbie christmas tree cake

34:41

Let me tell you something that I somebody bought me a little somebody bought me a candle that smells like a little debbie christmas tree cake

34:48

Do they think I mean Stop digging stop digging dude.

34:57

You just said you have a candle that smells like little Christmas debbie kids do tell me your fat without saying your fat please what is going on?

35:07

It's in my bedroom I have a picture. Can I post a picture?

35:14

You're talking about candles in your bedroom Listen i'm gonna know how to set a mood.

35:22

Let me tell you something That's it. Oh my gosh that exists

35:31

I I am saddened and impressed at the same time I I just I didn't buy it.

35:37

It was given to me. I just cherish it. I didn't buy it I just kept it

35:43

I did I did take a I did take a picture with the blurry background, you know the portrait

35:52

He just took the width of it every night before bed first thing when he gets up in the mornings

35:58

Oh, hey smells don't have calories, baby So what's what's your favorite, uh getting back to what he said what's your favorite treat?

36:09

Yeah, so we don't Food. Yeah, we're going to be making homemade sushi. That's what we're going to be doing We don't really do desserts, but we uh, we usually will do like My wife is from hong kong.

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So we'll do like, uh dumplings Because that's a it's really hard to do dumplings or an egg rolls wontons, so we'll

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Sushi, but if you're all doing it, we all do it together Everyone gets together does it together and then we all eat now granted.

36:33

I I admit I do the cutting of the sushi Because I cut it, you know one of that doesn't look right

36:39

One for the plate one for me one for the plate one for me So by the time we're done making the sushi i'm full

36:46

There's a little jewishness in there though because don't jews go to chinese on christmas. Is this like a competition? Exactly.

36:52

No, no, and I remember in the nativity scene that desert sushi. That was at the manger. Um, so yeah

36:58

What the heck? It's in sushi. I'm pretty sure that's what it was, right? Mysterian christmas special the least pc show on earth

37:08

Yeah, well for what for for thanksgiving we made dumplings and homemade pizzas. I mean, that's very traditional

37:15

There you go. I just got you with the chinese head for thanksgiving I I went to a chinese restaurant yesterday picked up some food.

37:25

My wife wasn't feeling well. It's her favorite place in toledo, ohio Uh, it it was and they're great

37:32

It's all family ran Uh, many of them speak broken english, but they had a sign out front and said now open on christmas 9 a .m

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To 9 p .m And then the star of david just Underneath so what ad said is exactly right.

37:48

There's no Christmas you're like you got a little jewish come on in we're open for 12 hours on christmas.

37:54

I know they're they know the clientele Yeah, that's brandon, uh, probably brandon matters

38:08

Those guys been keeping me in business. They got they got they've been uh, keeping me busy I'm doing my debate with spencer next month on their channel

38:16

What are you doing it up? Uh the rapture, uh, spencer smith and I are debating the pre -tribulation rapture

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He's taking the pro pre -tribulation rapture and i'm taping the biblical position You're pre you're pre -millennial, okay, um, no, no, no, no

38:33

No, I read my bible Oh, that's not correctly though Argument greg

38:39

Must be all together in february Yes, we will I think most of us on the screen outside of ad yeah

38:49

He's Up, where's it at tallahassee? So We're doing a conference down there james white going to be doing a debate

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They're doing a film why calvinism? Well, the the conference is on white calvinism also putting together a documentary

39:05

It's going to be filmed down there should be a good time our last one. We had about 70 people this one He's already sold I think 400 tickets.

39:11

So it's grown by leaps and bounds jeff rice open air Theology is putting it on down there with like, uh with that hap at abyssin and braden patterson

39:19

It was a good time man and uh andrew tell them what you reserved for everyone andrew

39:24

What i'm what what you reserved you reserved the space? Yeah So so for those who were there last year, we uh, and if you want to search work just search for open air theology conference

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Um, but we if those who were there last year if you remember we had breakfast up At that one kettle cup, uh or celtic cup

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We got the upstairs room reserved for a good theology throwdown friday morning before the we go to the conference

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So I told I told Jeff, we can't like go to dinner and hash out all the theology throwdown.

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Yeah, we have to have some things for Same for the friday morning Yeah, they got this upstairs room in this celtic coffee house

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And it's just a cool setting, uh, and it's very conducive to some nice discussions and we'll hopefully be recording and audio and video there

40:09

What's that kevin? This is like the rabbit room. We were like the inklings up there just uh, oh, yeah Yeah It was a good time

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Yeah, but uh mid -february, uh ad you should come on down man. Hang out. Uh, not a lot going on, but i'll

40:23

Message me about it. I'll call you back I'll call you so i'll call you back on the yeah, you call me back like you call rapport back.

40:29

All right So so this uncertain wonders keep talking about anything other than end times lately like You know what

40:41

That crown he's got on that's really his his Listen as I explain eschatology wasn't even on my radar eschatology matters had me on Simply because I said something about amillennialism and they were so nice to have me on to talk about the fact

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That i'm on mill and after that they did a poll they put me kim riddlebarger uh, sam storms and uh, dr

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Groff on and they said who's your favorite amillennialist and and I said I shouldn't even be on this list I don't even deserve to be on this list and I won 90 because twitter is is amazing.

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And so So I put on my my crown which my kids had brought home from burger king

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And then I got a real crown to go over it. So this is a burger king crown I'm now the king of the amillennialists and I have had a conversation with kim rudelbarger

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And and that was amazing because I don't deserve that. I don't deserve to like I don't deserve to sit in the same room with him

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Now I heard right after you won king amillennialism. You went right out and had one of your servants purchase another butter candle.

41:55

Is that No, but I did get a tattoo of little debbie on my ankle

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I can't get my leg High But uh, and just remind everybody it's little debbie not little debbie, it's

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Little it's it's not little debbie. There you go. Yeah Brothers for life at the last conference for sure

42:20

Yeah, you gotta be you gotta be careful with the southern, uh, the way you say things in southern

42:25

I learned yesterday that you know Idolatry and a dollar tree sounds the same in southern

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I'm gonna make a video about that So if you see So if you see like a buddhist statue inside of a dollar tree, that's idolatry and idolatry

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Let's have fun say both and see how it sounds Oh, i'm gonna go back to my christmas

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Guys, i'm out of here. All right Thanks for jumping in brother appreciate it shout it out again

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Where can people find you get on on youtube ad robles and on twitter as well? There you go

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He's too cool to be with us Hey, I I gotta drop too. I gotta run run my uh,

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My grandson that is 11 months old is at the house. So I gotta rush over and go see him. So Andrew shout it out.

43:25

Where can people find you? Where are you talking? Where's your podcast all the good stuff website? Yeah, if you want to find me it's striving for attorney .org

43:32

from there You can find the christian podcast community where we got 50 podcasts and my podcasts that I do regularly are

43:38

Andrew rapports rap report we talk about uh theology christian life And then paul jack's live is a live stream

43:45

We do thursday nights 8 to 10 eastern time where anyone can ask me their most difficult questions and I can answer them because I don't

43:51

Know is a perfectly good answer But uh, you just go to apologetics live .com

43:56

for that awesome All right, just remember you guys all need a menorah forget this christmas tree thing.

44:02

Okay Trying to start internet rumors, bro All right

44:12

Oh man, all right kevin, so what do you got going on? I am knee -deep in dissertation writing.

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So i've got to get my Uh dissertation finished up for tms for my doctor of ministry and expository preaching that is due january the 15th

44:28

So that I can graduate in may so what's your uh, what's your dissertation on? Yeah um, so I did a my my preaching project was hebrews 13 verses 7 through 21 on the relationship between pastors and their flock uh, you know under Under the chief shepherd to whom we will one day give an account and so just kind of looking through the imperatives of that passage and Uh, both on the side of pastors and the members and the responsibility that's that's built within that relationship

44:57

So, uh, yeah, it's a great series and i've had a lot of fun writing it but it's a lot of writing obviously and Academic writing is a whole lot different than writing blog articles and all that good stuff.

45:08

So Um, yeah, i've been every waking hour has been spent doing that Um, so this was a good good reprieve, you know good opportunity to enjoy some time with you guys well, yeah, well, thanks for hanging out man, and uh, i'm

45:22

I'm sure we're all gonna see each other in february too, which is gonna be cool I'm glad to see you guys again in person. Yeah looking forward to it for sure

45:31

Yeah, but feel free if you want to still hang out for a little bit I think we got someone coming on in a few minutes But feel free to hang out if you got to go you can too

45:38

Yeah, I think i'll go ahead and bounce so I can get back to writing But I want to thank you guys for having me on looking forward to uh, seeing you guys here in just a couple of months

45:46

Awesome. Excellent. All right. Merry christmas. Good to see you. Kevin. Merry christmas, buddy So claude what do you got going on over there what are you working on right now?

45:56

Uh, you know, are you on christmas break now our pet do pastors get a christmas break? I don't know No pastors don't get breaks

46:05

Let me switch you back where you you need to be there you go Uh, so no what I what i'm working on right now actually is i'm going to be teaching a class starting in january

46:15

Uh, basically it's a summation of the book the art of william perkins work the art of prophesying um, perhaps addison, uh past has started a project called passing the torch and it's to uh, disciple

46:30

And train up young men in the faith Um, you know because really what he's he's seen in his own words was basically this that there's a lot of young internet theologians

46:42

And you know, they just kind of get carried away. My terminology is plain They get too big for their britches, right?

46:50

They they act outside what they should be acting. They need to learn to be disciplined and You know controlled in their communications

47:00

Not be arrogant, so we'll be teaching on the art of prophesying in the call to ministry january 4th

47:08

Claude's gonna bring the discipline. He's gonna bring the rod of correction. No, no

47:15

No Instructions all that's gonna be

47:22

Well, you asked about you asked about pastors getting a break. I actually I want to I want to praise the lord

47:27

Uh, one of my elders actually is preaching for me this coming sunday on christmas eve sunday so my my week is a little more relaxed this week because I I Brother mike collier is going to be preaching from zechariah 14

47:41

And he's going to be showing the amillennial view of zechariah 14 for my dispensational friends

47:49

Uh, but he's going to be talking about the prophecies there of the coming of christ and uh, anyway, so I i'm

47:54

I do I got a little bit of freedom this week last two weeks have been rough. But uh, But now i'm having some fun.

47:59

I'm playing with you guys. I'm like i'm like in the playground We're just we're in the playground making fun of people. It's it's working out.

48:05

It's great It's great. Yeah. No, i've always no i've always thought about that to us for especially pastors

48:11

I feel like that last quarter that uh, you know, uh, october november december is just You've usually got more people coming to church or visiting you've got uh extra programs

48:23

You've get you're probably preaching, uh more and it's like supposed to be a family time But then as a pastor,

48:28

I would feel and i'm not a pastor and I respect the position of shepherd I I truly do I hold it in very very high esteem, which is why

48:35

I hold both of you brothers in high esteem Uh, it feels like you know Everyone's oh it's family and everyone's getting a great schools on break and usually work you get a little break and pastors are like double and tripling down um attending to the flock,

48:48

I mean You know the regular stuff still keeps going the deaths and the family and the funerals and the hospital visits and the right and the counseling and all these things so Not to get too serious on this baptisterian

48:59

But that brings up a good point too is like we've got to remember that as members of our church that our pastors this time a year

49:05

I mean they're working really hard and It's very emotional very mental a lot of stress

49:12

And then they're expected to go have this great kind of family christmas, you know month and they're going

49:18

Man, i'm i'm busy and like I know I know you get the occasional break and stuff Like you said keith and elders preaching for you, but that doesn't mean all the other that's just one sermon on sunday

49:27

That doesn't mean all your other duties, you know are going to the wayside So I just want to say to both of you brothers

49:32

Thank you for all that you do, uh for the kingdom of god and for this church And I just thought it should be pointed out to the listeners out there too

49:39

That might be listening we might be joking around and I have a good relationship with you But my respect level for you guys up here because you guys are shepherds and what you're doing this season

49:48

Uh, especially in this season at the birth of our savior is so very very important Praise the lord.

49:54

I'll get off my soapbox now. Well, i'm Very thankful for you saying that I know that that my my appearance right now is very unshepherd

50:03

You know what Back in the old testament, they wore some pretty impressive outfits.

50:13

That's true and i'm still trying to get I I just noticed that I just give this very nice little, you know speech and i'm wearing this hat and glasses

50:22

He's got I don't know an elf upside down on his head. I don't know what the heck Sunglasses he's got roll tie look at it pastors are people too.

50:31

Okay, they're allowed to have fun Uh, it's it's you know We were allowed to have fun with our brothers and sisters in the lord and joke around well brothers in the lord on this podcast and uh but I have a video to play.

50:44

I have a video Real quick. Let's go. This is this is a description of what's happening here But sister they are just ninos trying to release their wiggles

51:00

Our wiggles My kids love that movie It's a great one people may not know this but if they if they google keith foskey and uh,

51:11

Nacho libre, there is a video of me and three other pastors watching the whole movie together and doing a live

51:20

Live commentary on that movie while we watch it Oh, that's good. It's available.

51:25

We did it on we did it on vid angel uh, we did this was during covid me and uh, rob ham and steve berry and uh, austin, uh,

51:36

Tucker from from ocala the four of us got on and watched we all we all we all pressed play at the same time

51:43

We're all watching it and and you're making commentary throughout. So That's that that's one of those little gems that exists on the internet that you have to search for Uh, there's also a video of me tasing myself, but i'm not gonna i'm not gonna tell people where to find it

51:57

I'm, just gonna say it's there and you send us a link privately. Uh, no because I don't trust you

52:05

I Have a private key if you just type in keith foskey on youtube,

52:11

I have a private page It's got me doing magic tricks. It's got me doing karate. It's all this. It's all the stuff. I don't You know all the yeah side

52:19

Side side hustles not side hustle side side And like stuff like yeah hobbies and and yeah, there's a video of me getting shot in the rear end with a paintball

52:28

There's like This is like a whole new world being opened up It's like it's like the glasses in the hat for him it's like he'll open up, you know, it's like the

52:40

What is that like when you said the talking spoon and counseling or you know, the secret hat? That's what it is.

52:45

You just got to get him in the hat and glasses. He starts spilling the beans on everything I know I told you guys about the candle i'm

52:53

I know he's I I actually look at If i'm walking by one of those and I see it or someone get or actually if someone gives it to me

53:01

Yeah, i'm keeping that i'm a camera person I got candle burning right now. I mean i'm burning candles, you know, and my wife is the exact opposite She is a no scent all the laundry.

53:12

No scent. No neutral Sounds like this. She's like you want candles go out in the studio burn a candle out there

53:19

So I would burn it and I would yes I would smell the little debbie, uh christmas tree candle that's pretty good

53:28

Oh, but I think we have a few more, uh, we have two more people jumping on Um, probably the next few minutes and we'll wrap up with them because we've been going a little bit um

53:37

Top, what does tom mean by self -induced stress? Oh being a pastor maybe what's he talking about?

53:42

Maybe You know on a serious note, uh, the biggest stress of this year often deals is people who are

53:51

People who are having trouble enjoying the season because it's a time of grief And again, not not to want to bring the bring the tone down, but that that's a big deal, especially with us we've had a lot of grief at our church, uh the last couple years and so seasons like this sometimes are just hard to uh,

54:08

It's hard for people to be able to enjoy the season because it's just yeah, it's just reminders of loss and reminders of pain and things like that and and so um that that's something

54:18

I think a lot of a lot of us forget if we if we're not in that category of Going through a season of grief that there are people who are there.

54:27

So No, absolutely. Uh, and i've experienced that personally in my family, too

54:32

Um, I have a friend that's kind of like that, you know, he he's got check -in on him. Um, you know around that time it reminds you of personal loss and maybe sometimes personal decisions and failures and you know, things like that and Uh, it's it's good though.

54:47

It's good to be kind and gentle compassionate Towards our friends family even heck even our enemies right as christ said especially around this time, uh more than Or you know any other time?

54:58

But uh, I don't know. So what else we got going? We talked about christmas presents if you guys are still watching bad ones.

55:04

I don't think we talked about any good ones Um christmas traditions a little bit you guys got any we already talked about christmas traditions

55:11

We didn't really talk about the favorite christmas food though. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Nobody nobody said what it was.

55:16

I'm I'm a pecan pie Aficionado, I love a good pecan pie.

55:23

Is that is that the best? Yes for me. That's the best What about you claude? Is that what what's for you? Man, anytime it's meatloaf meatloaf and mashed potatoes

55:33

That's your favorite dessert Favorite dessert A little behind the game on that.

55:47

No, he just started thinking about meatloaf and then he was like So my favorite dessert christmas dessert probably is like I don't really know what it's called but it's like It's chocolate pudding oreos and whipped cream stack and layer dirt cake.

56:02

They call it dirt cake. Yeah Yeah, that's good which makes that it's delicious

56:08

So so mine, is it really? technically You know a christmas dessert, but I ask my wife to make it every year she makes

56:18

Uh, and I know this is very simple and cliche in america, but she makes a delicious fresh apple pie

56:24

Uh, because we got an apple tree. We'll go grab our apples cut them up put them in there She does the crumble, you know with the sugar and that so you get a little crisp on it, too

56:33

You get the crunchy Oh my gosh, you'll get it when it's warm pull a little scoop of vanilla ice cream.

56:39

I was gonna say ice cream. Yeah Uh, maybe a little whipped cream on top of that if you're feeling uh, froggy

56:45

And there ain't nothing better after a meal to have one of that one of those man piece of that You got another guest.

56:51

Here we go Standing oh, oh look at this

57:03

What's up I'm surrounded by pastors Theology podcast, uh

57:13

Then on the deadman walking podcast before I don't know if you know claude ramsey from here. I stand theology keith foskey from Conversations with the calvinists.

57:23

We're just doing a little baptisterian christmas special and you just evened it out my brother now We got two presbys and two baptists, but uh, we've been talking about Uh christmas gifts good ones bad ones christmas traditions.

57:35

We just want you to hop in for a few minutes But before we do that tell everyone what you're all about where they can find you for everyone watching on the live stream well, thanks for the intro you've already mentioned one of the places which is the theology podcast, but I write books and uh,

57:50

I guess the best known one is the household war for the cosmos and um Also as you noted a pastor and i'm an illustrator.

57:59

I write I draw stuff Illustrate stuff. So actually i'm sitting at my art desk working on a children's book right now and uh

58:09

I guess that's i'm in the pacific northwest So I lived in new england for about 30 years, but now i've got a home here as well as back there and uh

58:19

Go between the two places Yeah, what do you like about the pacific northwest? What's your favorite part of it?

58:25

Well, it's a beautiful area and I live in a town that's great it's called battleground battleground washington

58:31

We're just about 25 minutes from the portland airport So I get to the airport quick, but I don't have to live with the insanity of portland

58:41

Battleground is the most conservative town i've ever lived in really Yeah, interesting.

58:47

Yeah, and just great nature up there too when you get into that area of the country I mean hiking camping you got lakes up there good stuff, right?

58:55

Yeah, it's like I said, it's a beautiful place. I live in new england, which is also beautiful, but it's it's different, you know

59:01

Yeah, yeah for sure. So your illustrations are pretty good, too. I've been seeing what you've been posting on facebook.

59:07

Um, Absolutely love them. So you're working on a children's book right now Yeah. Yeah, I made up a story years ago for my daughter and I always thought

59:16

That it'd be fun to turn into a picture book. And so i've been working on that now.

59:22

I've got four granddaughters uh and perhaps another one out of the way, we don't know if it's going to be a boy or a girl but Uh, it seemed like it was time to get it done

59:31

So I could you know, give it to all of them. Yeah. No, that's awesome. So, uh, keith claude

59:37

Do we have what do we want to know from cr christmas wise? Do you have a do you have a i'm thinking in my head like you might have a cool christmas

59:47

Uh kind of tradition you do did you have any type of tradition or something unique?

59:52

Maybe you did on christmas day or maybe before christmas as a family Um, I always like hearing that if someone did if not

59:59

I got a backup question for you or claude or keith might have them for you. What do you got? Yeah, actually when our kids were small we had a tradition where Christmas was not a lot allowed to begin until I drank from the santa mug and Go on.

01:00:12

All right. I worked As a presbyterian we know what's in the mug So Usually my wife made it for me so it was hot chocolate, but yeah, definitely if it had been me it would have been something else but uh

01:00:27

Yeah, it was always fun to kind of tease them and and threaten that christmas wasn't coming this year and that kind of stuff

01:00:34

Yeah That's very that's it. That's great. All right. Well, we got someone else on here. Look at this. We got uh, attorney davis young How are you, sir?

01:00:42

I'm doing great. Merry christmas Well, you guys are good. I think you guys are wrapping out the end of our show here

01:00:47

We appreciate you both jumping on around the same time david. John's a constitutional, uh attorney. I think

01:00:52

I just saw you on fox news uh, you're working with the case with the Decapitated, uh satanic idol, right?

01:01:00

I am I am. Yeah, he's like and I can't say anything about it. So don't ask

01:01:07

I have a million questions I know, right? Uh, but we also have cr wiley on here, uh davis if you don't know we have pastor claude ramsey

01:01:16

We have pastor keith foskey claude ramsey of here. I stand theology podcast. We got keith at Conversations with the calvinists you always get me on that keith.

01:01:25

I always want to say it's it's it's changing after the first year Show, right? No, it's just going to be your your calvinist with keith foskey

01:01:32

You're your calvinist with keith foskey Obviously cr wiley with theology podcast, but we've been having we had eight or nine guests coming in Oh, no, maybe not that many six four four or five guests throughout the hour you guys.

01:01:43

Yeah several. Thank you Your last ones, uh, we're just talking christmas traditions good gift bad gift cr just said his christmas when they were young did not start until he took a sip out of the

01:01:55

Uh out of the chalice out of the santa cup Um, which then keith, uh implied it was probably bourbon or scotch, but we found out it was hot chocolate

01:02:03

Uh, do you have anything like that davis anything that you do special for christmas? Or if you don't have a tradition, uh, what was the worst christmas present you ever got?

01:02:14

So, you know, we we travel to michigan, uh every year, um, let's go blue That's uh, yeah, we uh, we had we had to michigan

01:02:23

So we travel to michigan and spend it with my uh with my wife's family, uh her parents

01:02:28

So my mother and father -in -law were amish, right? so they they they got saved they accepted christ and came out of the the amish church, so Um, you know,

01:02:38

I I would say in many respects. It's kind of a subdued christmas. And um, that's really just focused on family time um gifts and and worship

01:02:46

So it's I don't know that there are any particular traditions because they didn't grow up with um with any real significant christmas traditions just very very very simple, but uh

01:02:56

Incredible food my mother -in -law makes a fantastic homemade pies Um, so that's probably the biggest tradition there is just the yeah homemade food.

01:03:06

Where about michigan's you going? You don't gotta give us the address on the live stream, but you know Uh, jackson county michigan the albion area.

01:03:14

So there you go All right, you'd be about an hour and 10 from where i'm at. Nice, right? That's very cool

01:03:19

So, uh, how about gifts guys? Do we have any gifts that uh that stood out in our minds either growing up?

01:03:25

Or that we gave or that we received that we either loved or hated What do you what do you think cr you got anything, uh

01:03:32

You can go go back into the files man. And even if it's something you were five years old, uh

01:03:38

I was gonna make an ageism joke there, but then I decided not to Because I love cr so much and appreciate his work.

01:03:46

So I want to keep him as a friend So what what do you got for us? You got any gift that you can think of that you either loved or hated? Oh, yeah,

01:03:52

I mean as a kid, you know, you'd get underwear and socks and you're supposed to be grateful but uh

01:03:57

I took a lot of work and I wasn't Yeah, but I remember as a kid back back when

01:04:02

I was a kid G .i. joe was a big deal and i'm talking about the the larger, you know, you know the companion to barbie kind of g .i.

01:04:10

joe And uh, I remember one year getting the g .i. joe headquarters and that was kind of like top of the world for me

01:04:18

Anyway, you have to look it up probably on some youtube commercial to understand what i'm talking about Yeah That's back when we used to respect the military right davis, uh different time gone

01:04:30

No, oh like I said, he's he's also a veteran too. So, uh, we appreciate your service. Uh, but uh, yeah, so how about you you got a gift uh davis that you uh,

01:04:39

That you got uh, maybe as a kid or maybe they even gave or received as an adult that just stuck out in your mind I mean, it's easy for me.

01:04:47

The greatest gift that I ever got was was a dirt bike a motorcycle Oh, let's go 13 right and uh, you know, of course the funny part about that was um

01:04:57

My parents had planted the seed that I wasn't going to get very much So I got a couple clothes and all that and I just remember

01:05:04

My my parents had it arranged where a guy with a trailer and a santa's claw suit delivered it on christmas day

01:05:10

In the afternoon and so I'd already got all of christmas very little gifts Um, and I really wasn't even too worried about it.

01:05:17

I wasn't even thinking about it I I can say that honestly and I was I was blown away by that yamaha 80, uh dirt bike that I got

01:05:25

Dirt bike at 13 delivered by santa. I didn't know we had a one percenter on the podcast That you taught us earlier over promising or under promising

01:05:46

Sales 101 maybe parents did it, right? Yeah, that's a big one getting a dirt bike on we need 13 to what a great age, you know

01:05:54

To have a dirt bike go break some arms man become a man. That's right So, uh

01:06:02

Where can everyone reach you at davis? I know we didn't really do a full introduction for I know cr Uh kind of told everyone but for everyone on the live stream, they'll be watching this after uh, where can they find you at?

01:06:12

At davis yonce on on x just at davis yonce and then yonce law y -o -u -n -t -s law .com

01:06:19

is my website Yeah doing good stuff over there, too. Um, it's always fun when you're flipping through the channels

01:06:27

A uh, one of your buddies on fox news, uh making a great argument uh

01:06:32

For some of the stuff that's going on in the country. So that was very cool Um surreal and then of course cr with his illustrations man

01:06:39

You guys if whoever does it, uh, do you have an actual page cr? Is that your personal uh page that i'm seeing you post that stuff to your illustrations?

01:06:47

Oh on facebook. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's kind of like a kind of a cross between the two

01:06:52

It's called professional mode. So everybody can see Everyone can see it. So make sure you guys go check that out, too.

01:06:59

If you're into if you're an artist illustrator Uh storyteller anything like that. Those are great.

01:07:04

And then of course theology podcast. Come on. I mean One of the and I say this with a straight face and I mean it 100

01:07:11

Probably one of the best podcasts there are Out and one that really got me to think differently about certain things that I just assumed historical philosophical

01:07:21

And then and it's always fun when you guys, uh get out on a subject too because there's so many different opinions

01:07:27

So make sure you guys go check him out there too. And um, you know, keep pumping those out man. Those are so great

01:07:33

Yeah, thank you So what else we got going on guys here we're coming up on an hour a little over an hour

01:07:38

I think we're wrapping up you two were our last ones on you guys got anything else for us on the baptisterian christmas special, uh davis or uh

01:07:48

Cr excuse me Yeah, just merry christmas and uh, i've got

01:07:54

A number of projects in the works and uh, you know, i'll be talking about those down the road But uh, merry christmas to everybody anything you want to break here on the live stream first Oh, I got a book on I got a book on risk that's coming out that uh, i'm working on that'll be

01:08:10

I think Of interest to a lot of guys. Did you say risk? Risk, yeah risk

01:08:18

You beat me by one second Basically, uh, you know the idea that there's no such thing as a risk for your life and you got to be able to Assess risk and then take them

01:08:36

Oh, I like it. Yes That's that is actually something that I talk about a lot too

01:08:41

And it just was talking about a buddy who was basically stalled and kind of this half in two worlds

01:08:47

And really wanting to start something and create something and I said look and I had to do the same thing You've done all the planning you've done the analyzing you've assessed the risk now

01:08:56

You got to actually take the jump, you know, jump off the cliff save geronimo and and actually take the risk not just Because sometimes as men we can get caught up in that too because look we provide for people we have responsibilities

01:09:08

And maybe that's not where the book's going But that's kind of where my head goes to where risks in life in relationships in business.

01:09:14

I think it's a it's a it's gonna Be a great subject Yeah, that's definitely the case. It's meant for guys who've got responsibilities not just you know

01:09:21

Guys who are living in a box under a bridge or something Yeah, yeah, very cool. How about you davis anything before we uh kick off here, man

01:09:29

Just uh, merry christmas to all of you. Uh, great to great to see everybody here. And yeah, I you know,

01:09:34

I think um We've got a lot going on in the upcoming year The biggest thing for me is i'll be working really hard with stand with warriors stand with warriors

01:09:43

It's a non -profit that's going to be fighting these fights for religious freedom in particular and working on evangelism and discipleship in the military

01:09:50

So look for some announcements there. We've got a couple of navy seals former navy seals They're going to be heavily involved in that project

01:09:57

So we've got the best team in the world to partner with on that So we're we're excited about that and just looking forward to what god's going to do

01:10:05

Yeah, and what davis is doing is extremely cool because I got to talk to him for a little bit too when we were down At fight laugh feast.

01:10:11

I mean you had all these issues going on with covid you had veterans being You know let go and fired and if you don't do this and that And then there was just this vacuum of like well

01:10:20

Who did they have to help them through this time when we're talking about these constitutional issues

01:10:25

That's where davis steps in where he's a believer. He's a constitutional attorney. He goes to fight for these guys

01:10:32

Um, he's got a killer team down there a great team down there. I should say He's just saying he said maybe

01:10:42

He's not like taking out the clients if they don't agree with him i'm saying That's what I meant to say Uh, but yeah, so make sure you guys go check him out, too

01:10:50

Um and all the places you can find him, uh fun following him on uh twitter as well, too Cool, keith, uh claude.

01:10:57

What do we got here as we head out? So i've got i've got a question since we have these two esteemed gentlemen on with us two questions for both of you

01:11:06

Uh, mr. Yonce and mr. Wiley. Have you ever been on a baptisterian christmas special before?

01:11:15

Yeah No, sir, all right, so it would be safe to say that this is the best baptisterian christmas special that you've ever been on correct

01:11:26

Yep All right,

01:11:31

I got you bro clip that Keith what do you got for head out?

01:11:38

Oh, well, I just want to say to cr man, I I'm, i'm very interested in talking to you. I have

01:11:43

I have an idea. I want to share off maybe off camera Uh, i've been you know, I do a lot of denominational work and uh hearing that you do illustrations i've been thinking about a denominational children's book of My son asked me recently dad.

01:11:58

What's a pentecostal? And I had that conversation with him and I thought that would be a fun book to do And hearing hearing that you're doing that and working on things like that Maybe this may be god's way of connecting us.

01:12:08

So just just throwing that out as an idea. Yeah All right. There we go. Claudio is helping me out and keith always networking

01:12:20

Yeah, here we go It was oh my goodness my goodness

01:12:37

We even invited this guy my own to wrap it up. It's my own personal. Dr Claw he's here

01:12:46

Hey guys, oh, that's funny. Uh, it's pastor joel. What's up, brother? Hey, what's up guys?

01:12:54

All right. Well, i'm telling you what i'm building the uh army here. I Oh, no, wait a minute.

01:13:00

We get that's right. I count joel as a presbyterian sometimes Anybody that's baptisterian it's it's

01:13:09

Joe He is on the right special So, hey, we were just getting ready to wrap it up but you are truly our last guest and look at um

01:13:20

Our series, uh davis if you guys need to jump off, that's fine Uh, we got a few minutes with joel here as we wrap up, but um, we were just talking christmas.

01:13:28

Uh, we had christmas traditions with um Pastor wiley he was saying his christmas doesn't start until he drinks out of the santa cup

01:13:38

That's when his kids were younger. Um Davis was talking about how he uh comes to michigan and visits family

01:13:44

You got a tradition that you have with your family that you had growing up that you remember and if you didn't have a tradition

01:13:50

Then we'll go to our backup question, which is what's the worst gift that you ever received? Yeah, lots of traditions.

01:13:56

Um When it comes to women in the family, i've learned that a tradition is uh, anything that we did once that we liked

01:14:04

That's uh, that means we're going to do it again That's all it takes traditions are easy to come by uh with moms and sisters and daughters, but uh, we

01:14:15

I don't know if we have anything super specific for for grown -up joel as a

01:14:21

As a husband and dad we I guess one thing that's unique is we have two christmas trees instead of one we have a large living room and uh

01:14:30

And one christmas tree just isn't quite quite enough. So in the spirit of martin luther, um, you know, we

01:14:36

Set up too and we I guess another tradition in terms of when christmas begins This doesn't begin christmas, but it kind of begins our or at least we have an extended advent

01:14:46

I maybe could put it that way but uh reformation day. Um is usually The day that we actually will set up.

01:14:54

Um decorations christmas trees and all that Uh, so I feel like I have some church history reason for doing that I understand that it's terrible in regards to the church calendar and that i'm ruining, you know, um advent and all of that but uh by having two months of advent instead of one, but I feel like uh, luther would be a problem.

01:15:14

So Well, hey, we have we have two christmas trees too. We have one in our bedroom and on christmas eve

01:15:20

I sleep under it So when my wife wakes up, she knows what her gift is And he's got the little debbie j.

01:15:25

Kendall. Yeah Tell him what candle you got burning next to it a little debbie christmas cake flavored candle

01:15:35

I didn't buy it, but I do own it. I discovered earlier on the live stream.

01:15:40

That's what he's sleeping with So, um, i'm not sleeping with it. I'm just I mean I I just it's in the room

01:15:48

That's what I was picturing. Uh now yeah, the two christmas tree is a power move. I like that now it's no davis

01:15:54

I got a yamaha 80 delivered to me by santa when I was 13 years old On christmas morning power move like you told us a few minutes ago

01:16:02

But yeah, the the couple christmas trees that's just like i'm extra christian this year.

01:16:07

Okay, I got the uh, And and I know keith already did his episode on uh, the paganism of christmas trees how they are not

01:16:16

Uh, it's not what jeremiah is talking about So, uh, you know, we are now all allowed to have christmas trees in our home because keith has spoken so it's good

01:16:24

That's right. I have decreed it I've determined it by virtue of my kinghood.

01:16:29

I have determined that christmas trees are not pagan They are in fact Keithian and if they're keithian, they're all right

01:16:37

Yeah, christmas is a very Kind of it doesn't work with your kinghood though. Keith because christmas is a pretty post mill thing

01:16:44

But uh, but that's all right Uh, oh post millennialism

01:16:50

Post millennialism is just on millennialism with extra steps, my friend You guys just add a bunch of stuff in but we're all we're all pretty much the same

01:16:57

And when you say add a bunch of stuff in you mean like the hopeful victorious stuff We're hopeful and victorious too we just don't take so long to get there exactly

01:17:13

So, yeah Yeah, yeah, so, um, this is I think we did pretty good at this this whole hour and a half not deteriorating into some type of arguing match with all the different people we had in here because we

01:17:26

Let's be honest. We had a dispensationalist in here earlier and I can feel the tension in the air. All right, we almost

01:17:32

We almost got into it, but I just I just love joel. I've never seen joel so comfortable.

01:17:38

He's wearing a He's wearing a v -neck, uh, you know t -shirt. I just love it. I just love you

01:17:44

I only have two modes. I have suit And then I have pajamas right now. Your sternum bush is sticking out pretty hard Below the waist

01:17:54

I am dressed but i'm wearing pajama pants This would be his wrestling name

01:18:03

Joel sternum bush webbing coming to the ring. Uh, no, that's good stuff Good Cr is looking he's shaking his head.

01:18:10

He's like I cannot believe he's like i'm on this live stream What am I doing here? Meanwhile, we have the learned attorney and there's three -piece suit with his uh books behind him

01:18:19

We're talking about sternum bush. What are we doing? Let's give an update of stuff with michael cassidy

01:18:25

Or is that too serious? We we hinted a little bit but he kind of uh, I don't know He kind of skirted it.

01:18:31

Can you give any type of update for us? Uh, yeah, there's there's not a lot to share yet Um right now we are just trying to figure out what's going to happen with the state court charges.

01:18:41

They did cite him for A fourth degree criminal mischief is what they call it in iowa.

01:18:47

So it's a misdemeanor Um, his first appearance will be on the 29th of december. So we're working through that.

01:18:53

I mean, honestly, i'm really hoping political elected leaders that didn't take a stand when they should have um will step up and And engage and that the charges will be dismissed but we've got a local iowa attorney engaged and we're prepared to to do this and He still serves as a navy reservist.

01:19:11

So, uh, the navy is is going to have because he has received a criminal citation They have to investigate so it's going to be long -term

01:19:18

It's going to be very interesting to see what happens there. That may be a long -term fight We have to engage in but you know,

01:19:24

I I don't know michael well before this situation. He contacted me after this happened um and We knew each other just through mutual friends

01:19:33

I've worked with him a little bit, um because of his navy status, but I I didn't know him before this

01:19:38

Um, other than that, I certainly didn't know this was going to happen beforehand It wasn't a planned thing, but I can tell you, you know

01:19:44

He he did it right from a perspective of what he did was peaceful non -violent.

01:19:50

Yeah, not disruptive He turned himself in immediately. Yeah, he cleaned up he cleaned up.

01:19:55

He he stacked candles back in the display He you know He he threw away all the garbage related to to the head when he pulled it off And then he turned himself in immediately and and submitted to the authorities there who had no idea

01:20:07

Uh that anything had been done. Um, that's how how peaceful this was. So I think that's a unique situation

01:20:13

Um kind of in the spirit of the boston tea party In some respects, um, so i'm hoping they'll do the right thing and just dismiss the charges it was it was kind of a christmas miracle for me davis because uh

01:20:24

Because believe it or not this was an easy one other people I think were surprised but I did have on my reform twitter bingo card

01:20:31

I had uh reform dispensationalist defend satan Um, I you know, so that one was that's all that one coming like a year and a half ago

01:20:39

So so on twitter to have jenna ellis and people coming out of the woodwork to say hey You know nativity scenes and satanic displays both have their place and you know the halls of our capital

01:20:50

I was able to boom right there right before christmas check my bingo card for reform twitter and get a bingo

01:20:56

I saw that one coming a long way out So so joel, let me ask you really quick then then what is it?

01:21:02

What is your response to someone who says something like that where they're arguing maybe under the freedom of expression under the constitution?

01:21:11

What do you say as a pastor and I have multiple pastors same thing. John mccarthur said go home bake

01:21:17

It's christmas Uh with jenna ellis go home and bake something Yeah, okay.

01:21:23

That is absolutely insane. The first amendment is not to defend satanic

01:21:28

Rituals in the capital buildings of our country if you think that um, I I you you need to go back to fourth grade history

01:21:36

I I don't know what to I don't even know what to tell you. I don't even know where to begin That is absolutely asinine

01:21:42

Now that makes me angry Yeah, I do I do like before joel webb and we were talking about uh, little debbie christmas candles and after joel webb

01:21:51

We're still talking about baking but a little different tone to the live stream John, mccarthur said it.

01:21:57

I i've been reliably informed that if john mccarthur said it you're allowed to say it. So yeah, no John mccarthur says it you're allowed to say so real quick as we finish up here, too

01:22:07

Um, and we were talking about a little bit earlier since we had pastors on I know pastors are always very very busy this time of year

01:22:13

So we appreciate your time jumping on joel. What do you got going on at right response ministries? You got any projects you're working on tell people they can find you.

01:22:20

Yeah. Thanks for asking Yeah, just check us out at youtube probably is the main main place where people watch but uh, we're excited

01:22:25

We've got uh next year. We're gonna do three shows a week monday wednesday and friday It's going to be our flagship show that we've done so far called theology applied where I interview different guests, uh within the

01:22:37

Reforms, you know larger reforms world and talk about some specific topic or theme or text or doctrine

01:22:42

That'll be mondays and then uh wednesdays i'm going to do an in -house Uh show with two of the other men in my church so i'm excited about doing something with uh, some of the local guys that i'm building with and uh talking about theology on the ground and Church life and those kinds of things and then friday.

01:22:58

We're calling it the friday special every quarter It'll be about 10 episodes in length and uh, there'll be there'll be quarterly seasons and the first season is with andrew isker

01:23:07

And uh ad robles and we're going to be talking about the boniface option and chopping down idols

01:23:12

Uh chopping down satan would would fit the theme with that and uh, we would all be pro uh demolishing satan

01:23:19

So all three of us is crazy. I found three three christians. They're all wholeheartedly agree on uh, no satan but Our first season and then the second season is i'm excited about that We're gonna have uh, brian sovey and ben garrett and do like a 10 episode

01:23:38

You know haunted cosmos thing. So that's I think that's the strategy. The strategy is uh, Let's chop down satan and then here's some giants and ghosts, you know

01:23:46

And then I chop down satan again and then up you hate joel webb and I can feel it and here's more

01:23:52

And uh, that's how I stay alive Well, man, that's it.

01:23:57

That's I mean three a week too. And then every quarter that's it's a grueling schedule But uh wish you the best on that.

01:24:03

It's a lot of work people don't realize producing something like that. I mean everyone here Uh does stuff like this so we all know but i'm saying for the people on the live stream to produce

01:24:12

Uh something quality that has thought into it that makes a point that has research. I mean it's hard to do

01:24:18

So i'm looking forward to those and I appreciate you doing it too. Thank you Cool. All right. Now, maybe we have an official ending.

01:24:24

We've had uh, uh now that we got joel on here Um, we got anything else from claude or keith the two other hosts

01:24:31

No, brother. Thank you for putting this together. I've enjoyed it making fun of people is my bread and butter. So, uh, it's been great

01:24:38

It has been a blessing. Thank you greg for having us on All right. Great. That's keith.

01:24:44

Uh foskey from uh, are we just going your calvinist, right? Yeah in 2024.

01:24:50

It's gonna be used with dean foskey. That's uh, claude ramsey here. I stay on theology Of course david's youngs.

01:24:56

We have c r wiley You can see him at theology podcasts and all other places with all his books joe webb and uh, right response ministries guys

01:25:03

Thanks so much for jumping on. Thanks for the live stream everyone who commented too for the last hour and a half It was a great first annual baptisterian christmas special.

01:25:11

Hopefully we can do it again next year Love you guys as always remember chief enderman is to glorify god and enjoy forever.

01:25:16

God bless enjoy the outro Ladies and gentlemen

01:25:31

Dominic the donkey The italian christmas donkey

01:25:48

Santa's got a little friend. His name is dominic The cutest little donkey.

01:25:55

You'll never see him kick. My name is Because the reindy can