March 1, 2016 Show with Sean Ryan on “When Sodom Comes Home: The Breathtaking Insanity of Pro-homosexual, Totalitarian Government”

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Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and the rest of humanity who are living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming.

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This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this very first day of March 2016 and I think that we have a very important topic that we're discussing today especially in light of a presidential election that is dominating the airwaves every single day.

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We are talking about when Sodom comes home, the breathtaking insanity of pro -homosexual totalitarian government and to discuss that with us today for the very first time on Iron Sharpens Iron is

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Sean Ryan who is director of community relations for mass resistance and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you to Iron Sharpens Iron for the first time,

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Sean Ryan. Thank you, it's great to be here. And in the studio with me co -hosting again on Iron Sharpens Iron is my friend the

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Reverend Buzz Taylor making a lot of noise as normal and if you could introduce yourself to our guest

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Sean Ryan. Well hello, it's good to have you on the show. Hi, good to talk to you

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Buzz. Well before we even get into the subject when Sodom comes home, the breathtaking insanity of pro -homosexual totalitarian government, tell us something about the organization you represent as director of community relations mass resistance.

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So mass resistance were based out of Massachusetts obviously and we fight for the protection of children, traditional values and religion in society against the attacks from the homosexual activists and everything else that is going on out there in the world today and we've been active for almost it's almost 20 years now and we've been pushing forth legislation and stopping bad legislation and really just trying to fight the culture war on all fronts as best we can.

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Yes and I have been on your email list for as long as I think that you've been sending out emails as an organization and it is just absolutely amazing some of the things that the leftists in places of power especially in the more liberal states like Massachusetts the insane things that they are getting away with and the frightening things that they are getting away with as they take such a strong foothold in this country that is why there's no exaggeration when

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I titled this program the breathtaking insanity of pro -homosexual totalitarian government and I know that I will be trying to repeat this throughout the program at least several times but the website for mass resistance is massresistance .org

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massresistance .org and Sean there are a number of things that I know you'd like to bring up today that you would like to inform our listeners about and if they already know about these occurrences or footholds that the left is gaining perhaps giving them an update on these things tell us something about first of all

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Dr. Church tell us give us an update on Dr. Church and exactly the background of that story.

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So Dr. Paul Church is a physician at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston and he was fired essentially for speaking out against homosexual behavior on a medical basis earlier this year so they moved to expel him they went through a round of appeal hearings and now they have finally terminated him and there are ongoing developments for that at the moment it's not an open and shut case but for some background he was essentially expelled after receiving this started 10 years ago he was receiving you know many emails periodically about their homosexual events they began several years ago to have these pro -homosexual events at the hospital for homosexual speakers these different activist groups so on and so forth if you go on to the current version of the

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Beth Israel Deaconess website bidmc .org they still have a stamp of approval from the human rights campaign which is the leading homosexual lobbyist in Washington about being an approved

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HRC you know health care facility which is just really just terrible when you you think about the national influence that's coming in on that so about 10 years ago he started receiving all these emails and he started speaking out he's saying as a health care institution we can't endorse these things this is in light of the fact that the hospital was marching in the homosexual pride parade that they have every year in downtown

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Boston which are these really terrible obscene events

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I mean for any of your listeners who fortunately haven't seen them or understand this sort of thing they're just these terribly exhibitionist obscene events and it's it's all pushing for this hardcore sexualized mentality very unsafe sexual practices all those sorts of things the whole hook line and sinker of the sexual liberation movement so to speak and the

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Beth Israel Deacon hospital was involved with these things or had started to at that time and Dr.

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Church started speaking out and talking to people involved with these things you know emailing different people who were involved and in charge of these outreach or so -called efforts to the homosexuals and saying that we we can't endorse this as a as a hospital from a a medical health standpoint uh just all of the disease and risk factors that is endemic into the the lifestyle of most homosexuals saying we can't support this as a hospital so eventually his his messages made its way to the wrong people in the administration and they essentially started launching harassment claims at him one of the people involved happened to be homosexual and since he felt offended that was enough ground in his own mind for harassment essentially uh even though that was not the case

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Dr. Church is a longtime physician a very uh wonderful respectful guy and he anytime he speaks on on any topic anytime i've heard him speak and he's been speaking out more and more recently in the public sphere very respectful guy and i've i've read uh some of the communications involved um but this ended up being grounds uh where the hospital turned it into grounds for some kind of harassment claim against him um so in that instance he was uh given a gag order so to speak you know you can't talk about these topics you can't post on the internal hospital messaging system so on and so forth so forth about this topic at all whatsoever and he conditionally agreed stating that if you stop sending me these things i don't want to hear about them you know if you don't want to hear from me i can do it on my own time i don't want to hear about these things from the hospital so he said conditionally uh if you take me off your email list for these things i will stop speaking out until that time you know i'll keep talking about it um and eventually he he did he continued to bring up some of these issues again in a very respectful manner and the hospital moved to dismiss him under uh violations of the gag order uh so not i mean they did try to charge him under specific hospital policy about um internal communications and digital communications but really it wasn't a part of that it was essentially for breaking this gag order that they put on him so this case is so horrible here you have a a doctor a urologist who specializes in these sorts of things who dealt with aspects of the

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AIDS crisis and whatnot obviously saw all these things dealt with all these things in patients has a a number of his own homosexual patients and saying look this you can't do this this you are harming people that is really obviously the opposite of the whole

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Hippocratic mindset the Hippocratic oath you should not do harm when you are not telling people the full truth when you you are collaborating in this dangerous lifestyle you are doing people harm and he was fired for essentially dismissed for trying to be a a doctor really essentially is is how this goes and not only that but a number of his other affiliations are also being threatened he has affiliations with a few hospitals in the area uh so they are also being threatened as a result of this as well so essentially he's essentially being blacklisted now uh from the area where they're attempting to all for speaking out on this issue in a gentle and courageous manner now you know the one one of the aspects of this being that he never spoke against patients there were no patients complaints he's been practicing for years he's admitted that yes obviously he's had homosexual patients and whatnot but it's never been an issue in that regard it is not you know their so -called discrimination or whatever else they could launch at him it was professional dialogue between colleagues and they essentially wanted to silence him because he wasn't going along in their system he wasn't letting this happen he wasn't going to be silently corroborating in this and so they've essentially tried to chase him out of the organization and blacklist him and it's a really terrible case when you think that an objective organization an organization that is meant to promote the health and well -being of people is trying to get rid of someone who is doing exactly that who is doing his best to put the reins on this whole as you termed it this whole totalitarian homosexual movement and it's it's just been a very awful case we've had um protests and things outside the hospital we distributed information in the summer after the story emerged and it's just a really horrible issue and many of the people we talked to at these protests were very concerned for the doctor especially these were patients largely we were talking to and and nurses as well who were concerned about their their own job nurses and doctors who would have to again deliver people bad news or advice that maybe isn't politically correct people who were fearing for their their own jobs as a result of this patients who were fearing for their health medical students uh dr church is a a affiliate with the medical school um as an adjunct professor uh medical students we spoke to two very you know young folks who you would think you know hey maybe they they might go for the homosexual political line you know fall victim to that uh that that whole package but no very some of these very thoughtful students who were concerned you know about objective medical truth i mean people who are studying this who are devoting who are starting to devote their lives to this they now see that threatened by this case um so it is a very terrible case um it's it's very difficult to deal with but there there is progress moving um on these things there are development and we still have to wait and see where this is going to go uh dr church is still working thankfully very much and he's really taken this all in stride and i i think it shows the the character of the the man very deeply he is really genuinely one of the the kindest most content people i've met he's handling this very well and you know he's come into this with the approach you know if he has to sacrifice something big to tell the truth that's exactly what he's he's going to do wow well you have this uh as i already repeated a couple of times this sheer insanity where a doctor a physician is being fired because he is more concerned about the lives of individuals than he is over hurting their feelings this is basically a scenario where it's becoming uh illegal to save someone's life if you hurt their feelings and of course this is only in regard it seems to homosexual right yes um you're not going to see a doctor being fired for telling an overweight patient that his uh his weight is threatening his life you're not going to have a doctor fired for any other thing he may warn his patient about that is life -threatening unless it is his homosexuality it is absolutely madness it is absolute madness and so what is uh dr church doing today oh what is dr church doing today well he's still um practicing urology thankfully at another one of his affiliations uh at his affiliations and he's he's also um joined a a group uh american association of uh physicians um to speak out against these things on an institutional basis as well um he's joined a a group of of doctors um that's a professional organization um that fights for medical sanity um and these sorts of things that fights against the the just just completely dangerous irrational uh ideologies put forth by the homosexual communities the transgender advocates so he's come out swinging on this and he's uh like i said before he's a very strong guy and he's he's really trying to to make his mark on the the world and and really just stop the onslaught of all of this terrible stuff going on because you know it was a a top -down phenomenon i mean this sort of thing is coming in from outside groups not affiliated with the hospital you know threatening say oh you have to do this you have to do that i mean it is a complete top down organization i mean there is serious money involved serious uh pressure involved on institutions and organizations and it's it's coming in from all sides so he's working in his capacity in addition to his his daily uh responsibilities as a doctor he's doing the best he can in his capacity to really fight against all of these terrible things now this is not unique to to massachusetts i presume but i mean uh are you saying the situation tends to be worse in massachusetts though absolutely one of the things that i i always tell people when i talk to them about these issues one of the things i always say is that if you're seeing it in massachusetts you know massachusetts is sort of the the forerunner or the canary in the coal mines regards to really i mean it's really the only way i can i can say with regards to all of these issues so if you're seeing it in massachusetts you are probably going to start seeing some version of it wherever you live um you know farther down the east coast texas california anywhere pennsylvania any anywhere you will start seeing some form of this i guarantee it and now you know with national um homosexual marriage being imposed by the supreme court i mean that's was really a lot of uh that was part of the the instigation of a number of these issues in massachusetts and i am very much convinced that it's it's going to be seen elsewhere um increasingly and increasingly we are seeing it elsewhere i mean you have to think for instance uh the organization i mentioned before the human rights campaign the and i keep having to explain it because it's it's not really particularly about human rights i mean it's a homosexual political pressure group i mean that is that is homosexual transgender political pressure group that is all all that is and they are uh publicly you know putting uh forth a campaign to work on the southern states i mean uh states that are traditionally more religious more conservative i mean they are pouring serious money and people into those states to transform that system i believe uh the campaign it's called um campaign one or something like that i can't recall the name specifically i apologize but they and they it's not particularly secret by any means but people have to know that they will not only see it these sorts of things in their area but they will be targeted if there is pockets of resistance and that's what you're seeing in the southeastern states right now with human rights campaigns that they will come in and target states and communities in any other areas of resistance and and that's really what it it comes down to and they will find ways to to target churches as well they will absolutely find legal ways i mean there's already a history of this stuff in a number of states i mean that is really the the game plan is to radically transform society and just briefly wrapping up that point i i was i was thinking about this recently the whole idea of what they term you know progressivism quote unquote so to speak i prefer to call it you know regression you know their idea of progress is is absolutely not mine but that whole idea it's not about attaining a goal these folks are always in motion to push something to change something to keep everything revolving and changing uh to destroy traditional values and things like that it is there's there is no one particular specific goal or end point it is just constantly in motion and that's what people have to realize that even with the supreme court issue and everything else earlier this year i mean it's it's it's not over it's not going to stop these people are not going to go quietly away uh they've already started publicly doing their hand wringing over pushing for different bills and on a federal level and state levels um and that how much money they need to do this and they are they always have this in mind to keep pushing these things forward for them yeah this is uh it's it's just revolting um and it's uh just like the psychiatric movement you know freudian psychology and jungian psychology and psychiatry um have never been a fan of biblical christianity but psychiatrists and psychologists until the 70s were practically in lockstep in in in uh believing that or in teaching that uh homosexual behavior was a disorder right and even if christians themselves prefer to call it like it is sin and damnable wickedness they at least uh recognize recognize that it was a abnormal behavior and it was like practically overnight without even exaggerating that all of those uh critiques or assessments or labeling of homosexuality as anything detrimental or abnormal or wrong or or anything to do with psychiatric impairment mental disorder all that was removed from the psychiatric textbooks and uh you could very easily lose a medical practice as a psychiatrist or a counseling practice as a psychologist um for for uh telling a patient that this homosexuality is abnormal and dangerous and i i think that brings up an interesting point as well you think about the practice of psychology and those sorts of things and by a lot of people's standards those could be um considered you know putting forth certain uh normative arguments things you can argue about or debate i mean that's the whole process you know they call you know psycho psychoanalyze well we have to to figure these things out or you know there's many different directions people can take so you think about it that's sort of a very relative concept what's evolved here now is that now we have people going after some very very startling objective truths so that's where it's moved from it's moved from the the subject the more subjective types of fights which i would uh put uh psychology into and uh no personal feelings i i sort of have a fundamentally dim view of uh psychology practice um but so moving from these sort of subjective battlegrounds by the way you're not alone in that uh objection to to object to objective uh things you know the dr turge case being one of them the whole notion of gender being another some a a concept that i've i've always sort of seen this battle play out that i kind of realized more or less recently um you think about uh the the notion that the biblical notion you know the the way the truth the life so to speak and uh just as a you know a quick uh quick disclaimer uh mass resistance isn't a uh affiliated with with any religious group um we have actually several different religions working in this office um but you think about the the biblical concept the whole you know the way the truth and the life when you think about what the what i term the sexual anarchist movement when you think about where they go and what they attack that is really what they're after they've already viciously gone after life i mean we can see that obviously in the abortion contract uh in the issue we've seen them go after the way the christian way of living saying oh this isn't reasonable people don't really do this people really don't conduct themselves like that that's impossible to ask someone to live their life that like that people don't do that people have never done that this is impossible they go after the way of life and now the final and possibly the most difficult plank for them is to go after objective truth so when you think about where that whole movement goes it attacks those three pillars that are talked about in the bible and it's it's really disturbing when you think about it through that context but it it makes everything a lot clearer when you see where they're going what they're doing so the way the truth and the life those are the three foundations that they they really uh assault and that the truth is going to be the biggest one of this the medical issues with homosexuality the idea that yes people are actually born with an anatomical sex you know the whole transgender you know thing that's going on i mean that's what they're going on after now the the last part just plainly objective truth yeah i just heard a new uh description when i was watching the academy awards uh some of my more conservative christian friends may disown me just for watching the academy but uh a new uh way and maybe it's not new i just hadn't heard it before but but a different way than i have heard of describing a sex change operation uh one of the women uh announcing a a film that was based on i believe one of the first sex change operations in history right uh she called it gender confirmation surgery oh yes yeah i uh yeah yeah i yeah i am uh familiar with that phrase yeah gender confirmation um yeah that's that's absolutely disturbing uh there was um a something i uh the other day about um chasity bono uh the daughter of um sure of share the popular singer saying that oh well i i wasn't you know a girl all those years or this or that and everyone else was scratching their heads going wait what you know going after that another yeah again it's it's the sort of cult of feelings i mean you know hearkening back to the dr church thing i mean there was no harassment someone simply felt offended which is different than being harassed uh so again it all revolves around the the personal feeling and there's there's no limit to to this insanity i was at a uh a an event in massachusetts state house the other day for the commission of gay and lesbian youth they call it and these these poor young adults these two girls who came up to speak they they're talking briefly about their whole identity this and that and it's and you know it's unimaginably complex like they list several things under that it's like i'm transgender i'm this i'm that it's like they they have to sort of lay out this whole schema before they even start you know talking about the the speech they have to say oh well if you're familiar with this they have to say oh well these are my preferred pronouns you know because we don't like to refer to people as he or she anymore apparently uh at least not if you're hanging around the mass state house apparently uh and they they they lay out this whole complicated thing you know it's you you almost wonder how much time they have left for an actual for an actual speech and if you think about how terribly disordered and how bizarre it must be to be in that that mindset this idea that we are not created so to speak in a certain way we just create ourselves and it's just based off these terrible untruths you know the whole idea that you can change your gender the whole idea that uh oh you're quote -unquote born that way in terms of homosexuality um which that whole mindset i always refer to homosexuality versus transgenderism i always refer to as you're born that way except when you're not uh except when they try to change their genders then they say they're not born that way that's a good point you know you're you're born that way well i mean you know except when you're not of course and and that's i mean how do you i i mean i i i've studied this stuff for years and it still perplexes me even to this day how you even go about trying to to live a life in this sort of disturbing mindset and that's that's really what it is you talk about the the whole idea of transgenderism now that's coming up uh well not not not that's coming up that's really been starting to saturate the media lately although it's been in progress for years this whole idea of transgenderism which going back to the psychologist is called gender dysphoria now you think about the word uh dysphoria uh which the the prefix on that uh dys you know is akin to dystopia dysfunction um you know very negative thing so you you think about that dysphoria being uh uncomfortable with some sort of aspect now normally when you when you talk about dysphoria is being uncomfortable with something that's fairly normal or something you can't change well you don't it's not your responsibility to change it's your responsibility to deal with these issues in a healthy way i'll give you an example in fact could you could you pick up right where you left off when we return from the commercial break absolutely will do okay and just don't forget we were talking about gender dysphoria and uh how we uh not we how people who are suffering from that are to overcome those things not actually mutilate their bodies but if you would like to join us on the air with a question for our guest shawn ryan and if you tuned in late shawn ryan is the director of communications for mass resistance and previously shawn was a volunteer with americans for truth about homosexuality in naperville illinois and has been involved in the pro -family 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massresistance .org you're going to want to pass down that website especially to everyone that you know and love in massachusetts and today we are talking about when sodom comes home the breathtaking insanity of pro -homosexual totalitarian government and as sean had described it earlier massachusetts the state where he resides and which is the home of the organization mass resistance since the play on words there massachusetts is like the canary in the coal mine and the rest of the country can see what is heading our way when it comes to the stronghold of the homosexual activist movement and it is certainly frightening if you have a question that you'd like to ask sean about this you can email us at chrisarnsen at gmail .com

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and before the break sean you were talking about gender dysphoria right right so i was i was speaking before about this attack on objective truth going along with these other attacks on the the foundations of christianity and so forth now when you think about uh the whole transgender idea uh what's termed by psychologists as gender dysphoria the whole idea of dysphoria uh dysfunction dystopia something that's not right so gender dysphoria being uncomfortable with your anatomical sense uh sex now normally when you have any sort of other dysphoria or termed dysphoria uh within psychology the the emphasis really is to cope with whatever uh whatever the patient has going going on in their life so for instance eating disorders things like anorexia and so forth are also similarly body dysphoria but we don't tell people to continue to diet to continue to destroy themselves to do that i mean that's bizarre and unmerciful so to tell these these folks who are dealing with these unfortunate things to completely flip the paradigm and say actually yes you should change you should change you can't change and we and we can help you do it that is cruel and bizarre and it doesn't even adhere to the to the own logic within or the the implied or whatever remaining logic in the psychological community it doesn't even adhere to that and and that's really what these folks who focus on you know as you as you humorously remarked before what they call these gender confirmation surgeries or these gender transitions i mean that is what it is i mean you are collaborating in someone mutilating their body or harming themselves in other ways i mean a lot of these hormone drugs and things um taking those things uh folks who take those things there is cancer risk and another uh medical risk from again you know the being disordered or striving for disorder um there's always a a risk in that anytime you go against really what the natural order of things are and it should be and it's it's just very cruel on on their part and it's it's very depressing to watch and you you think about it and that's the the that's the only place where that logic applies and in psychology and it's it's just terrible to to watch and it's again going against the grain of of truth what is objective truth yes and and it has reached the insanity where uh you know there are some people who have disorders mental disorders where they look upon their limbs their own arms and legs as foreign uh appendages to their body and they what they they will not be satisfied until those limbs are removed and there are people who have bizarre mental disorders where they desire to be blind and physically blind and that kind of a thing there have been doctors who are giving in to that insanity it just is absolutely amazing what uh the the the medical field and the psychiatric field is willing to do just to help cheer people up even if what they believe is going to cheer them up is absolutely insane grotesque barbaric and involves self -mutilation or mutilation i should say if somebody else is performing the surgery but uh absolutely insane uh we do have a listener in sharpsburg georgia lou he has a comment and i'm going to tack a question onto it of my own his comment is the new york mets announced their first lgbt night at shea stadium well actually it's not shea stadium louis city field now uh this upcoming year uh now my question for you is uh anything going on like that with the red socks or the patriots oh you know or the bruins or the the celtics or anybody else over there they they have done done things that at fenway park but it's even interesting um it's actually quite an interesting moment that you mentioned this in about the the sports teams uh one of the legislative issues that's going on right now and uh maybe we can move into it and talk about it more detailed in a minute but one of the legislative details uh that's going on right now is what they call transgender accommodations quote unquote um letting cross -dressing men use women's bathrooms now recently i believe there's only a week and a half well that was uh there's a little bit farther back than that but fairly recently all of these all of the uh boston new england sports teams came out in support of the this bill they were you know they consulted with the lead transgender lobbyist and they all put out this this media blitz and this press release on this thing uh because one of the issues in addition to you know restrooms and things like that you know were locker rooms and shower rooms and facilities and so on and so forth and these these folks on these teams came out and said oh yeah absolutely no we're we're totally in favor of that now you think about professional sports teams and you you really sincerely doubt that anyone dealing with the their gender dysphoria and whatnot is even going to remotely have a chance of of going into or being involved in a professional sports team so it really wouldn't even apply to them but again it's a top -down thing so now you have these uh these sports figures who are you know otherwise you know decent enough guys and respected and admired by a lot of people and a lot of young people and going out and saying oh yeah well you should totally support this why aren't you in fact and you know it it creates this whole illusion of some sort of rational majority uh that's really one part of it now we we talk about uh homosexual and transgender activists going after all of these different things in societies i mean that's just one of them the cultural aspect um and within the cultural aspect sports being a part of that they're trying to push further and further into that so now you have all you know all of these uh these guys saying oh yeah absolutely you should support that they're trying to isolate and alienate people who think differently and you know people who would suddenly think oh well maybe we should think twice about speaking out against this you know everyone seems to be in support of it which is absolutely not the case at all whatsoever um but that's that's i mean yeah that that was one big thing fairly recently i i i have to i don't know for uh for certain but i i'm sure a lot of the the teams have been involved with lgbt events and other things and whatnot i know for a fact uh fenway park up here um has had you know a homosexual night and so on and so forth and it's just really to just that that's really one of the relentless pushes is to just get into every single part of society and that includes religion and that includes whatever religion anyone is practicing and especially places where there are going to be lots of children like a sports arena a baseball stadium etc yeah absolutely so part of their thing is just to push into every aspect of society you know culture sports everything it's things that have absolutely nothing to do with human sexuality they're just going to to walk into and and try and score some sort of publicity or some sort of philosophical point over and they are going after churches and other religious groups and everything else and they are actively trying to infiltrate and influence them uh they've they've done this in a lot of places and they will continue to do so because they have to insert themselves everywhere even places where they know they probably wouldn't really be accepted or wanted they have to move into that sort of that's part of this strategy is to get into every facet of american life uh for instance one example up here that we've we fought over uh fairly recently uh st patrick's uh parade in in which is obviously for obvious reasons you know a catholic connotation or a religious connotation yeah the hibernians right the ancient one over hibernians don't they run that or is that just new york that they run that uh i'm i'm not sure on the the the order well it's a very roman catholic group whatever right right yeah i mean if you're yeah if you're doing a uh an irish saint event it's definitely very much a catholic thing and they they recently um started allowing homosexual groups to march in the saint patrick's day parade and you you have to wonder okay what does this even and uh well it's the i believe they've been doing the same thing in new york now or just recently within the last year or two and you you have to wonder okay what does this have to do with saint patrick what this has nothing to do with the catholic church or the church at large what like what what is the the point of that and if um if there's any anybody of a catholic persuasion listening i mean you think about this this small the the date falls in the the middle of uh you know glen which is a a period of repentance so it's it's you're you're literally doing the opposite of of of what you should be at that given time i mean it's it's bizarre but that's one of those things that they've inserted themselves into and a lot of groups dropped out of the the parade over over that and uh we we certainly don't think it's going to be the end of this i mean we think that it's it's probably going to continue to wither and in boston and new york because of these um things because it's it's complete it's just a complete non sequitur that's what i'm saying there's no logic to it there's there's no logic in in their lifestyle considering all of the the unfortunate aspects and death and disease i mean there's no logic to any any of that i mean it's it's sort of nihilistic street where we're not only uh bent on the destruction but we're we're bent on widespread destruction yeah and it's just as let's let's see how far uh a group of christians who had repented of and abandoned the homosexual lifestyle let's see how far they would get getting uh permission to march in the gay rights parade for instance if they have some kind of involvement with that community and they believe themselves to be a persecuted minority by the homosexual activists uh you know why shouldn't they have some kind of a right to march if they so wanted to i mean i doubt that they would but it's just to point out the absurdity of it you know if they would never allow such a group to march with them why would a a uh a group running a parade that is predominantly run by roman catholics um and that is uh an antithetical behavior to what they teach and believe it's just absolutely absurd and buzz you had a question well yes i was wondering if there's any uh news uh good news from the resistance any success stories oh absolutely um for for right now at least up in here in in boston so we're sort of in the middle of things legislatively um for sure um next two weeks is going to be kind of a um a crucible for some of the legislation that really has to to make it out of the committee uh for the most part within the the next two weeks um but we've uh definitely stopped at least one major bill up here at the moment which is a a bill that would have banned um issues for sexual orientation uh what that would have been excuse me that would have been counseling psychological counseling for people suffering from sexual orientation issues and that sort of thing um which as you referred to before people who are ex -gay and so on and so forth i think that was um great that it sort of ties into what you're mentioning the folks um who have changed who are who were able to get help who are living a a different lifestyle who are living a better lifestyle they uh were trying to ban that in massachusetts they still are uh but after informing a number of the legislators we have a very strong voice against uh that bill banning the therapy now they've done this in in several other states i mean they they did this in my home state of new jersey out of all places um and obviously in in california and they were trying to attempt to do it here in fact they were the the proponents of this bill were sort of kind of missed that they were not the first state to do this uh like i said massachusetts or the homosexual activists here sort of take a certain pride in being the first to do everything with regards to those legislative aspects so we've put that bill on on hold right now there's there's no appearance that it will move anywhere or go anywhere and after relentless lobbying at the state house and talking to state representatives i mean we had a a lot of support from democratic uh representatives over this who just they heard all the arguments and they they realized that this was a a a bad bill that people should be able to to choose to go for therapy and this is um therapy for um minors i might add for teenagers and young adults and the reason they go after that demographic specifically is there's a lot of people know um sexuality and things like that are all sort of evolving at that time and in people's lives so that is a a real way for them to go after kids which they're already widespread in the schools to go after children and to uh essentially get them into their way of thinking and then stop any other options so therapy or anything else to completely cut that out and to to have these these people involved with the homosexual lifestyle permanently because it's it's is harder to to deal with those issues in adulthood um again just because of the the age issue and how those things work so we have uh stopped that for now um there are um things that are going on with dr church as i mentioned previously um although we're not uh totally able to talk about them at the the moment but we we think uh things could be looking up uh for him and and there is some involvement at actually the federal level um so there there are things that are looking up for dr church um but yes there there is definitely progress i mean it's it's always a a mixed thing and one of the things we can always do best is to really inform people and keep them involved and you know we're really working hard on this right now uh one of the other bills uh we're working on as i mentioned was the transgender accommodations and there really is a a lot of resistance and hesitance on that i i do not know for sure where that will go but there there really is a lot of consternation among the the citizens and among the some of the quite a few the legislators as well who who realize this is a a problem and it it may possibly be you know the straw that breaks the camel's back um this transgender accommodations issue quote unquote which they they pushed in the last legislative session they weren't able to get um they've been pushing it before in fact it had to be stripped from a previous bill in 2011 because it was so controversial letting cross -dressing men into women's bathrooms um and there is still a a resistance and a hesitance on that because no matter how many lobbyists they hear from on the other side no matter what talking points they get involved in no matter if every single sports team in new england is pro trans the transgender agenda uh it's it's just a a very concrete policy point that in reality most people and most legislators really are just not uh comfortable with implementing into law but we we will see where that goes because that is still evolving but the i can i can say for certain that the transgender lobby has not had quite exactly the motion that they wanted on this so yet things are looking up you know there are are things we are defeating there are things that are sort of in in flux but it's it's always sort of a a changing landscape um in some of the southern areas um if you wanted to look at nationally um there is definitely growing resistance uh there was a story recently about students you know uh silently protesting the homosexual agenda in a california school there's one school we're involved with in tennessee right now that's uh fighting the establishment of a a gay straight alliance uh most of these organizations are pushed by national groups uh like the gay and lesbian straight education network um it's not normally a grassroots establishment um so we are actually working on fighting that there uh a lot of our material has actually been used on the ground in tennessee right now um from both people were involved with and even even just parents testifying about the the terrible things that have gone on in massachusetts schools with the implementation of uh these homosexual groups um so yeah they're and and people are using mass resistance materials and i know a lot of our stuff is massachusetts centric but it it really provides a good history of where this stuff is going and what's going to happen if this starts happening in your state so a lot of people uh were using that in in tennessee and i was reading some of the remarks parents were were making at at these school committee hearings and a lot of that stuff was from massachusetts history which we've exposed and documented over the years um in in great detail and um you know it's good to see people reaching out and getting the 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chris arnson at gmail .com and before i go on to address some of the questions of a couple of our listeners i want you to continue a little bit with this absolutely insane uh laws giving freedom for cross -dressing men to enter into what were otherwise known as ladies rooms when you think you know the thing that's mind -boggling about this is that the leftist movement is largely fueled by feminists and i cannot imagine how on earth this shows you how satan leaves human beings to absolutely insane behavior but i can't imagine why feminists would be happy about perv men uh wanting to gain access to a ladies room so they just put on a dress and you know uh those in the feminist movement have long described uh men maybe sometimes men in general but but many men at least as nothing but uh misogynist perverted uh individuals who demean and demoralize men i mean women who demean and demoralize women and use them as sexual objects and all that kind of thing and yet how could this leftist agenda fueled by feminists want to gain gain access and give more opportunity for these perverted men to just go into bathrooms and leer at women and perhaps rape them right absolutely and i i think it goes back to what we were saying before just the complete lack of of a a real sense of logic and truth because when you when you have people who are really unmoored from that bearing a reference of truth i mean there there is no limit to what you can do when you're just jumping through all of these ideological hoops and running around in a circle and it's it's good that you you mentioned that that point um we released a report recently about all of the issues throughout the years before transgender laws start coming into legislators and on the the books all of the issues in previous years across this country and a few abroad about men dressing up as women going into women's restrooms to assault uh women and girls and a lot of these men were people who uh you know quote -unquote identified as transgender and a lot of them also just used it to as a as a ruse to to gain access now imagine if you made that legal you can walk in use a you know be you know presenting as i say you know presenting yourself as a woman gaining access now imagine if that was legal and they're they're working on that in a number of states in addition to massachusetts imagine if that is legal i mean can you imagine just the explosion and the these cases that would would start to happen i mean it is absolutely insane and one of the major cases in toronto a a homeless man who is a cross -dresser for for years uh was living at a women's shelter and assaulted two women in in 2012 and this was you know after he was given access to these accommodations by law and it's you have to think about the insanity that's that's behind uh this this this whole idea i mean people are going to use it exactly for that now even even more wildly the at least for massachusetts law and i would want to i don't want to generalize too much but in in general probably around the country as well in the massachusetts law uh as gender identity stands you know you or me could just walk into a woman's restroom and claim the power of the law you don't actually have to be really presenting in any sort way because if if gender is is relative if it can be whatever we want then we can do whatever we want you know all you have to say is well you know maybe not all women dress that way not all women wear makeup well i i could walk in there and say that i am in my true identity a female cross -dresser yeah right to wear men's clothes right exactly yeah yeah yeah you could say that as well yeah uh i don't want to give anybody ideas here i'm just saying when he had the ludicrousness right and there was and as we as we speak about this there was a case in seattle roughly a week and two weeks ago right after they had their their gender non -discrimination law quote unquote as they call it for this transgender stuff in the bathrooms and locker rooms a man goes into a a public recreational facility um it was a public swimming pool or whatnot um where where children are at and women and children are at or anything else goes into the women's locker room dressed as a man changes as a man and goes out and was seen there again and when he was stopped by an employee he said well this is the law now i can i can be here and he wasn't apprehended by any other employees he wasn't apprehended or confronted by police or anything else we don't really know what happened to this guy uh you know several people at at the facility had talked about to the news and you know what the terribly stupid and sad part about this is is that yes he was absolutely right under the law that's exactly what he could do and people say oh that won't happen it just happened people are going to keep doing that um with or without cross -dressing especially with these laws as they stand i mean why would you even go if you know if there was someone who was just disturbed and looking for this sort of thing i mean why would you even go through the trouble at at that point to to do some sort of disguise or some other sort of masking thing or cross -dressing or anything like that i mean do you under under this law i mean you're essentially making that person's plot easier uh and and that's just the the really unfortunate part about this i mean that's exactly what we said was going to happen for these things and that's exactly what people are doing and you know what i don't know what it will take really to to get this into to some of the these folks heads especially as you you mentioned the the the feminist the you know the supposedly pro -women right i don't i don't know what it would what it would take if that doesn't i i have absolutely no indication of what would yeah i mean it's another way that the feminists reveal their their schizophrenia is whenever you have a husband or boyfriend murdering his wife or girlfriend who's pregnant and you would think that the feminists would want the worst possible sentence to be given to this despicable human being who did that but when the man is charged with double homicide if the woman is pregnant oh no you can't do that you can't charge him with double homicide because of course that fetus in the woman's belly wasn't really a human being so we don't want to give him that severe of a charge just knock it down to homicide not double homicide and when you think about how insane that is yeah and how and self -refuting that is it's just it's insane that's why we call that's why we use that in the theme for our program today right i mean additionally additionally so to walk back the uh the transgender idea i mean what you know step outside and walk that back a little bit i mean the idea i mean this should be the concept that kicks off feminists around the world because basically when you talk about the transgender thing you basically say yes as a man you know what it is to be a woman i mean you have to think about by their standards or by anyone's standards i mean you have to think about how ridiculous and almost sexist that proposition is like oh i know i know exactly what it's like to be a woman well how do you how do you how do you know you you feel you're a woman inside oh well i i i just i just know i mean that idea should be incredibly insulting to to any woman you know especially when you're talking about men who are just completely just physically different biologically different i mean just every single aspect who who will not go through through menopause or bare shoulder i mean just think about that i mean just like oh i know what it's like to be a woman because i'm actually one inside i mean that i mean really that concept in and of itself should really just be be having the feminist in a absolute rage yeah just like i think didn't uh bruce jenner recently say some comment about uh the most difficult thing about being a woman is picking out clothes and putting on makeup or something like that right yeah something absolutely insulting to women because he's not a woman right and he never will be a woman right and and additionally you you want to know why he has to put in so much effort is is because he was an olympic athlete he is a male olympic athlete big right he is a big he's a very tall masculine man so he has to put in all all the extra effort because he he's trying to be precisely what he is not so there's also that on on top of that yes and of course nobody even knows how to talk about history anymore who won those gold medals was it bruce jenner or caitlin you know i mean give me a break huh uh i mean uh before we close the bathroom door on that subject uh or have you uh exhausted that issue or should we move on to homosexuality in schools and school curriculums oh no no this is good absolutely wherever you want to go okay yeah let's talk about that uh the situation with homosexuality and the the stronghold they're getting in the movement is getting in schools and in school curriculums in massachusetts right so for massachusetts this has been a a a long -standing issue unfortunately um you know starting in the the early 90s and and really becoming uh very big in the mid -90s late 90s and through the 2000s uh it's and it's a a sort of teachable moment for other people in other places especially in other states where the school curriculums the radical sexualized school curriculums aren't being pushed as as hard uh and in states that states that are more traditionally conservative so you will start to see this sort of evolution so really where that evolution sort of started in massachusetts was with the formation of the uh the gay and lesbian teachers network which was started by kevin jennings uh in the the early 90s and to really to focus with a laser focus in onto schools school curriculums student groups uh and that was started in the early 90s now really what precipitated a lot of change in schools and school curriculums was the passage of homosexual so -called marriage in 2004 in massachusetts and that was what really caused this issue to be open wide and spread out all over the place in massachusetts school and i liked it to make that point very strongly because obviously of uh the national homosexual marriage case from this june uh so you will start to see the same evolution in other states so what happened with the pushing of this curriculum is that as soon as gay marriage homosexual so -called marriage passed here there became a justification and in terms of curriculum so activist teachers all these other people who were who were being trained and prepped for years by the gay and lesbian teachers network which is now known as the gay and lesbian straight education network um or glisten as we we we call it for short glsen so they had been trained and primed for years for this moment so when it came they basically started to put homosexuality and transgenderism into every aspect of school curriculums uh because homosexual marriage was legal that was their their rationale they say oh well we want our curriculum to reflect society um even though it was just even though it could really be considered wildly uh inaccurate considering how homosexuals approach their own marriages i mean for one thing that's just a completely just a different topic in and of itself so that became the genet the justification saying okay well we can teach these things in school now because this is law and there is nothing you can do about it there is one teacher who is even quoted on on npr at the time saying that saying well this is law now there's nothing parents can do about it so it's it's not just the sex ed aspect that that is one big aspect and we are always constantly fighting that but the the aspect really is through other means the homosexualization of the curriculum so you know children's books about men marrying men or about homosexual marriage things of that nature and putting it in an absolutely positive life uh light trying to to brainwash these kids or how they would say you know tolerance and and acceptance so on and so forth uh that really is what the push is and you will see this in other states more and more and more and that's something i always want to stress to in closer to to to your region there's a case we've been dealing with recently uh in a private school in northeast of philadelphia where a a woman called us last week and she told us about her child being involved in the school program uh in a extracurricular area well it's actually not extracurricular it was a curricular music program uh who called to tell us about her and her son now her son brought home a lyric sheet with this song that they had been rehearsing for several weeks it seems um which was about cross -dressing it was from a a popular movie and musical uh called billy elliott and it's a this song about cross -dressing they say oh what's wrong with this and then so on and so forth and you know we want the world to be a tolerant place and all whatever other stuff that it has to say about that topic and she was absolutely outraged and horrified over this and what the homosexual and transgender activists keep saying is that we're not out for children we're not out for children no we're not there there is no recruitment i mean this is exactly what it is when you're going after young people i mean this child her son was nine years old they are going after to manipulate young people to get them into these ideologies of course and many of them will become involved in these activities in these lifestyles personally uh she had she had spoken with me this mother and said yeah my son came home asking what mascara was or this or that and she was she was absolutely confused where he where he why he was asking and it was something that was explicitly mentioned in the in the song wearing mascara and you know of course you had to tell her well you know men don't don't wear that and the child was like oh well it says on the song people can and everything else and that's that's really what it is it is a brainwashing behind people's backs and what's really telling about this is that none of the parents involved knew beforehand that they had been doing this for i guess either a few days or a few weeks and none of the the parents of these children um weren't well one informed about this by the school or two knew what was going on uh until a a little bit until a little bit later and that's the the other aspect of the homosexual curriculums and things is that they put forth this idea that well this isn't uh sexuality sexuality education we don't have to inform parents about this and for people listening around the country um uh laws vary by state in terms of whether parents have to be told about uh sexual education curriculum and um i would encourage i would i would encourage everyone to know what their state's policy on that is if you have children of this age or even children who are maybe a little bit younger because what a lot of these states have are integrated you know what they call you know integrated sexuality education where they they try and span it over the entire 12 years of schooling um so i i on a separate note i would um encourage parents to to uh look look into that to know where their their state stands but for the the non -sexual aspects this is where the the activists go they say well we don't have to we're not obliged to tell you anything because this isn't sexuality education but what they are doing is is pushing forth this very subjective very normative issue and brainwashing children that they're not saying they're not saying oh well homosexual marriage is a thing that exists and some people like and some people that's not even something they're saying they're saying because it exists we not to tolerate it but you have to like these you have to to like this aspect this emerging aspect of society it's i mean it's not even i mean what if they were even trying to teach i mean it's not even taught in a remotely balanced way because as soon as it became law in massachusetts and uh you know in uh obviously in other states as well along along the years as soon as it became law they said well this is what it is so we just have to teach it like we believe it and that's they completely gloss over any dissension any overarching cultural or moral issues surrounded with it and just give children these sorts of platitudes and not to be crass but if you were to to really go into it i mean there's obviously the anything related with homosexual lifestyle is wildly different than than norm than normal folks i mean even their conception of marriage itself for many of the these these folks involved with that especially for the the men they maintain what you know is kind of uh casually call you know open marriages and things where it's like oh well even though we're married we're still just going to keep doing what we're doing and you know obviously that's that detail is not appropriate for kids but i mean even even for older children i mean if you really want to to talk about the the facts of these matters i mean it's it's there's there's there's nothing similar about but they they gloss over all of this stuff in order to brainwash children on the sexuality aspect on the the gender aspect this whole cross -dressing thing and that's what you will see happen more and more if if parents aren't informed or if they're not involved or whatever is going on you know people's kids are literally coming home and saying oh well you know they they said at school i could i can wear a dress someone's on or they they said at school uh so on and so forth i mean we dealt with plenty of children unfortunately up in this state where they were diverted to outside organizations um for you know all of these homosexual things and everything else and you know became uh active home active homosexuals and it was a direct result of people facilitating that in the school and it's it's it's terrible and it's it it it happens really quite quite a lot i mean it's very widespread and it's becoming more so yeah this is this is a myth that has been promoted that homosexuals are uh striving for equal rights equal rights they want superior rights in fact they already have them uh it is absolutely ridiculous they are a part of the establishment um i mean it is christians and those with conservative biblical values that are the revolutionaries today and uh it is just it's nonsense and um to view them as some kind of a persecuted minority i am sure that in the vast majority of workplaces in this nation your job your livelihood will be far more in jeopardy for saying anything negative about homosexuality than it would if you made a slur against christianity i mean you see that even all the time in the media where christianity is open game for mockery and even jesus christ is and uh whereas the uh you know let's say something uh too offensive about homosexuality and your career could be just you know destroyed i mean and this it's really like a frog in the kettle syndrome where the the activists in cooperation with the media are just numbing everyone to the idea of homosexuality where it just is becoming as commonplace as green grass and blue skies and yellow suns uh it's it's it's it's really disturbing to say the least and uh before we go on to uh the uh homosexual youth pride events uh we're going to be um going to a station break our final station break and if you'd like to join us on the air i apologize for some of you who i've kept waiting but our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com

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that's wrbc .us welcome back this is chris arnzen and we want to thank our friends at waiting river baptist church again for making iron sharpens iron possible uh through not only their prayer and encouragement but through their financial support and we thank them for being among the most dedicated and uh ongoing and determined and helpful supporters of iron sharpens iron that we've ever had and special thanks to pastor ron glass over there at waiting river baptist church and if you've just tuned us in for the last 90 minutes and for the following half hour or following 25 minutes or so we're going to be continuing our discussion with sean ryan who is the director of communications for massresistance .org

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massresistance .org and if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com

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chris arnzen at gmail .com we do have cj and lindenhurst long island new york who wants to know if mit romney when he was governor of massachusetts did anything to curtail the stronghold of the homosexual activist movement you know the romney the romney legacy is is very mixed in terms of that but in in general he was very passive about the whole issue he kind of helped to start and continue a trend which is currently still going on with governor charles baker a republican here um with regards to the homosexual issue now whereas romney was quite complicit in a lot of stuff governor charles baker right now is quite in favor and quite forceful of a number of these things i mean for for instance one thing uh being uh trying to defund the commission on gay lesbian youth uh during the the romney administration which at that time we only got so far with that but it was not supported by by romney and we didn't get that to to where it needed to be we weren't able uh to defund the commission because that ended up being something that that blew up for him and instead of staying on the side of uh you know real values he he caved in in that regard uh so he's he he's very his legacy on this is very very poor we've uh published our uh report a while back uh while he was campaigning for president the uh the romney deception and it was a book just detailing a a lot of his issues and tacit support for uh the homosexual events the commission on gay and lesbian youth and every everything else i think when he started to have national ambitions he kind of sort of tried to shape up but i i don't think that was really authentic and i i think part of the the reason why he lost that election was that he did not have the genuine support of the base because i think people knew better and especially as a as a result of what we were uncovering with him in massachusetts at that time i think people really knew better not to trust him on this issue and you know what it was a it was a zero -sum game i mean it was a lose lose for him because he he didn't support the truth he didn't enter he didn't energize the base and at the same time the homosexual activist still hated him even though he was quite complicit a number of things there was there was one story that got a lot of traction about him meeting uh with a uh two lesbians and a a sort of uncouth remark he had made and they just dived all over him for that even though his his quiet institutional support in the state government you know even even after even after all that they just attacked him for that and that's again part of the the tactic about politicized organized homosexuality is that when i talked about things uh being in in motion during the previous hours about that things never stopping never reaching a point that's part of it with with romney was that there was nothing he could do to ever ever please these people and he should not have tried and we have arnie in perry county pennsylvania who wants to know why you uh became so actively involved in this organization mass resistance uh what was it that drew you to a focus on this whole issue oh wow that's a that's a very good question and a very personal question and you know i've never had the opportunity actually really to talk about that in any big venue uh so thank you for your your call up or for asking about that uh to be honest i'm actually a a fairly young guy um especially for someone involved on on this issue so that that also tends to surprise people um so what really got me involved i i remember when i was a young man i mean i was sort of kind of a offender so to speak on the the homosexual issue especially when it came to marriage i mean it was just that was sort of endemic to people in my age group that um that sort of position being you know at least somewhat supportive about it or at least not really particularly against it i mean you look at the polling nowadays for uh folks under 30 and you know that that trend is very clear that there's you know overwhelming um support or at least passive support for it but i i was reading about the topic or some topics related to uh homosexuality or whatever else i i forgot how i ended up reading this some of the stuff on the internet but i stumbled across uh pia labarbera's site who is the executive director of americans for truth about homosexuality in in illinois and i stumbled across his site and at at that time it was a very good national overview of things that were going on and what really just got me on this side almost instantaneously i had watched a video on his his site and it was from san francisco i believe it was from 2006 so it was a few years old when i had seen it and it was this video of these just absolutely crazed vicious uh folks most of whom i would have to assume were probably homosexual or homosexual activists who were chasing and throwing stuff at people on a street corner in san francisco who were singing gospel songs they weren't even protesting anything there were there were no signs it wasn't even like some sort of active protest there was some type of mission sort of thing when these people were gathered on a street corner and singing these gospel songs and they were like chasing these people and just screaming at them and throwing stuff at them eggs or whatever cups or piles or anything else and it was just mind -blowing at that time for me because it completely contradicted the prevailing homosexual narrative that they are the victims and and watching these these folks who were giving witness to their or trying to give witness to their their faith in the middle of san francisco and just seeing them literally attacked i mean these very gentle christian folks being attacked that that was just revelating for me and that absolutely blew my mind because that is not something people talk about you know what it it still goes on you see some of these things happen surrounding these homosexual events where you have people quietly gathered to talk about homosexuality from a religious basis and give their literature or what have you i mean that that stuff still happens and it's not particularly even remarked upon but this as far as i know wasn't even related to homosexuality they were witnessing in a gospel sort of sense and being attacked and that absolutely blew my mind and i kind of sat up straight and said well right i mean you know someone has to do something about this and i sort of took up this issue because it's it's seen as a wedge issue and so to speak not something that you know people are really supposed to care about from a policy standpoint which i think is absolutely rubbish uh and i i wanted to focus in on that because it it seemed like as much obvious opposition as there was to homosexuality homosexual marriage transgenderism there weren't people specifically putting all of their their effort into working on it and fighting it but yeah thank you i want to thank your caller again for for asking that but yeah that was a very good question and i i absolutely encourage people you know whatever they can do to just go out there and and do it for me i've you know been working on this issue full -time i've devoted a lot of energy to it because it's just there's not enough people doing that so i wonder if you uh get accused by the homosexual activists and when i say you i mean you and those who labor with mass resistance most when i when i've seen homosexual activists in the media and even just homosexual actors and comedians address those that have an opposition to that behavior they it's interesting that the worst insult that they can throw at people like christians and people with conservative and biblical moral values the worst thing that they can throw at them that they can think of is you must really be a homosexual you're just hiding it and you you have a self -hatred and you're a closeted self -loathing homosexual and it's interesting that the worst thing that homosexuals and their advocates can insult others with is by calling them homosexuals also you know what i'm saying oh yeah now absolutely there's a number of people that that's happened to for years actually the gentleman i mentioned who uh headed up americans for truth actually still is uh peter labarbera i mean he if if anyone if any of your listeners or if you or anyone else follows peter labarbera's stuff i mean he gets absolutely hounded by people for just that and it's it's been going on for years and the the man has a lovely family and five kids and everything else and there's again there's nothing he could do other than stopping his activism that would really you know prevent these people from saying that maybe not even that you know maybe you know there's it's absolutely uh it's completely absurd i mean you know they people have said this before i mean you know any anyone i mean you could say that you could say that about anything it's like oh if you you hate donald trump trump well you you're probably happy that you can slip in on the secret ballot and vote for him you know it's it's insane you think about it i think you think about anything i'll leave it at that but it's yeah it's interesting that they they don't use that rhetoric where it belongs like with the nazis who had many people in leadership that were homosexual and you don't have the uh the homosexuals using that rhetoric oh they're really were uh you know repressed homosexuals themselves well why oh yeah why don't they say that about the the nazis you know oh yeah it's true i've seen there's a there's a whole bunch of i mean if you if anyone's curious to look into i mean there's a whole bunch of archival things available i mean i remember looking at political cartoons and ernst rahm is kind of just this joke i mean it's i mean yeah that's absolutely i mean yeah you're you're absolutely right about that one of the um the other things people always say is that oh well you're a hater or this or that which again having a policy and having a philosophical disagreement does not constitute hate i mean i i don't i don't know how these people learn to be an adult but i hope i hope i hope not from their parents i don't know but because you you can obviously have a policy disagreement you can have a major philosophical agreement and not hate people the one thing i always say you know when people swing around the full thing it's like you know we don't hate homosexuals or i don't hate homosexual out homosexuals but we hate what homosexuality does to people and you you look at the staggering emotional cost you look at the the cost and lives and and health care financing and everything else or aids and all these other entities which yes uh it can't be repeated enough repeated enough disproportionately affect homosexuals we don't hate homosexuals we hate what homosexuality does to people and there's just so many awful things about being involved with with that life and and that that's really if there's anything it's it's that it's not the people themselves i mean look you know people are vulnerable to whatever issues they are in life and they're especially more vulnerable if you're going after them as kids um you know but it's you know you can't you know there's no hatred in a personal sense i mean we want people to get better we want society to get better become healthier and really start to stabilize to value marriage to value sexuality in an authentic sense yeah and of course uh the there is never uh or rarely i should say in admitting that they hate christians you know why is it that we are the only ones who hate because we oppose what they do if they oppose what we believe why don't they hate us why isn't that equivalent to hatred but i want to make sure that we have time to address the gay youth pride days and things like that in the school that uh before we leave right right yeah absolutely so these sort of events they're well they're typically um i mean there are events in in schools um going along with the stuff we were talking about earlier but one of the the big things that they they do every year in massachusetts is kind of famous uh eastern massachusetts is kind of famous for the involvement in the implementation of this is a homosexual youth pride day in boston every may and i've uh attended a number of these you know getting just seeing what they're doing with kids and what they're giving out to kids because they they are public events um and that is that is one of their their big things for the the school here is taking these kids who are involved with these groups a lot of them you know unknowingly with the parents and busting them out to these uh very adult events so you you go to these it's basically an outdoor festival outside of city hall to just describe it for your your listeners it's this outdoor festival outside of boston city hall you know with music things and everything else you know an outdoor festival and they have all of these tables and of groups providing you know materials and services or anything else and it's a lot of condoms and std testing and all of these things that they're they're pushing at these kids you know get anonymously tested you know your parents will find out there was a a sign we had photographed that was you know free and confidential std testing for ages 29 to 12 i mean that's i mean you think about it that's absolutely insane and as i as i learned doing some research this week for another legislative thing there's a with medical services and things in massachusetts i mean even if you're a minor depending on what it is you can consent to some of these things and that's something that they've been you know working in the law for for years just to have these things available to corrupt kids externally without parents knowledge so they they go and they have these obscene performances they provide all of these terrible materials and things to kids essentially you know how it's you know a primer if anything you know and how to go around your parents back and how to to do this and all these other sorts of things how to get you know confidential and free std testing you know here's a pile of uh condoms and we hope you don't get hiv but if you do we have more services that you can get for free now but when you're dealing with this lifetime disease or ailment then you get to pay us for it which is even better for them um you know it's just it's it's it's sort of like going into this bizarre world and you know they they they have you know this homosexual prom which is just incredibly obscene i mean you you think about you know people joke about how bad normal kids are but you go to one of these things that i i have and you see all sorts of outrageous things i mean not even i don't mean to get too personal or too crass about this or if anyone but you know you you talk about because we are talking about kids here but you talk about the sexual promiscuity in the adult community right but i mean you you look at it it starts young so you go into these events and i've i've been to a few of them the homosexual youth prom and you know it's you know it's like a dance party or whatever else but it's just very very obscene behavior and i i haven't really seen this sort of level for at school children any anywhere ever and you know just people just being very lascivious or making out and this and that and all that but it's not even like they stick with one person i mean it's they go from person to person if you just sort of keep an awareness and like i said i apologize i don't mean to be very obscene when we're talking about children or anything but i mean that's sort of think about the sexual promiscuity in the adult community i mean it starts young the lack of valuing an actual relationship and i i saw kids going in there where it's you know they they they come in as a couple and then they they go around to they break off and go to whatever other people i mean you think about it just it it it sets these poor kids up for that that that mindset and it's it's just all of these bizarre uh what can you tell us about the intrusive surveys that children are being given oh so one of the one of the ways that these state and national groups gin up funding government funding for these things is through school surveys now there's one or two major national ones known as the youth risk behavior survey that's really the the main one and it's these very personal surveys you know asking kids about drug use and sexuality and this and that a lot of these go down into the the middle school range and they can be just incredibly obscene in terms of the questions it gets i will tell you this i mean we have had people talk about this on the radio before but i'm not going to push the limits on that um but there have been conservative folks who have talked about on the radio in just very graphic and very specific and obscene about what sort of practices they do how often they they do it and it's it's you know for kids who are unfamiliar with a lot of the stuff obviously you know because a lot of these surveys go to middle school kids so in other words they're planting ideas in kids heads but right that that's that's absolutely one of the things and they also ask about very personal family matters and this and that and there's no notification um system for these for these sorts of things because these happen without parent knowledge i actually remember taking one of the a version of this sort of thing in a in a catholic school um you know there is no notification but they use these they also use these surveys which are conducted behind parents back to also then gin up their funding because they say look oh we have all these problems and i mean they've done studies on this for older high schoolers who actually tend to to you know lie on these surveys because it's just some of these things are so over the top so you have you know these young kids just sort of snickering about some of the questions they're answering and just being blithely wrong about them they've done follow -up studies on other surveys not the eutharistic i'm not sure what the status on that is but and that's that's how they they get their funding to push in even more sexualized curriculum and everything else so it's this massive feedback loop in that regard we do have an anonymous listener who said that i did hear your program meaning iron sharpens iron program where you interviewed andrew beckwith of the massachusetts family institute talking about the horrific problems that christians and others who oppose homosexuality are having the difficult time they are having adopting children any comments on that from your guest today and we only have about two minutes for you to do that okay you said christian families and things having issues adopting yeah we interviewed andrew beckwith uh president of massachusetts family institute i'm not sure if you're familiar with that oh oh yes no i've uh i've uh ran into him on a number of occasions yes absolutely i um i mean yeah that is certainly one thing i mean i think one big thing is the ability to do so as well so for instance parents who would um complete this process uh through let's say like the catholic adoption agency uh up here which had to to you know close its adoption services because uh homosexuals said you know well uh you have to to um you have to let homosexual couples adopt children i mean that's one issue as well i mean people who would be going um specifically to to catholic agencies um to adopt children now they don't even have that um resource on their side up here now they are really only forced to go through more state -based agencies um so that's absolutely for one thing or any religious organization that would do that up here would face the the same uh threat and i'm sure that's going to continue in other states so organizations that would be less hostile to christians are now not able to to even really function because now the state's going to shut down their valuable service on you know trying to by forcing them to violate their beliefs in adoption places let me just give a little plug to the massachusetts family institute their website is ma family .org

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ma for massachusetts family .org and i know that your website uh sean ryan is massresistance .org