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Dr. KEVIN CLAUSON, President & teacher of Principles of Law & Principles of Government @ Christendom Bible College, who will address:
“RECONQUERING the ACADEMY for CHRIST!”
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Afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this fourth day of May 2022.
And Today we have a first-time guest someone that comes once again. With a number of my guests recently with the enthusiastic Recommendation of dr. Joseph C. Moore craft the third one of my favorite guests to interview on this program.
Along with his lovely bride Becky they have both Enthusiastically recommended that I interviewed dr. Clausen. This is dr. Kevin Clausen who is president and teacher of principles of law and principles of government at Christendom Bible College and Today we are going to be addressing the theme Reconquering the Academy for Christ and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron Radio dr. Kevin Clausen.
Thank you pleasure to be here.
And although I am interviewing Dr. Clausen for the very first time today. I have met him before. When I was a brand new Christian in the mid 1980s.
I.
Started a long-distance dating relationship with a wonderful Christian woman back then Barbara who was a graduate of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia and She was also at the time an elementary school teacher for Jerry Falwell at the Christian school associated with Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg and One year when I was visiting her early on in our relationship.
Visiting her and her parents out there in the Lynchburg, Virginia area. While she was working. She said, you know, I know a professor who's a Calvinist just like you are. That was one of the differences we had Barbara and I she was not a Calvinist but she I know a professor who's a Calvinist and I think that you'd love to meet him and I believe she somehow arranged a meeting between my guest today and I dr. Kevin Clausen and he took me on a tour of a building that was going to become the headquarters for the Patrick Henry Institute and I just remember being very blessed by my meeting with dr. Clausen and very impressed with him and Little did I know then that I would one day be interviewing him in a Christian radio program because I had no idea at that time that I would be the host of a Christian radio broadcast, but I don't know if you remember that day, but I remember it very well.
Well, yeah, I remember I was very impressed with the building as well. Well before we go into the subject at hand Tell our listeners about Christendom Bible College.
Yes, Christendom Bible College is a very unique institution. It offers a one-year program a one-year program. Most most colleges are this is a one-year program which offers a program which which gives you the biblical foundations of Christianity Western civilization and of America and it builds those foundations across various disciplines various law and government economics History theology Philosophy the humanities as it were I'll use that term the humanities And so forth.
So it gives you a one-year foundation. We like to say give us one year for life Prepares you for life. And so after that one year a student can go on to transfer to another college a four-year college.
Or Or Student can go to a vocation without going on to college at all. It gives you a foundation either way.
Yes, that is interesting. Who do you find? Are your most typical student if there is such a thing as far as age group and Season in their lives. Are they usually? Students right out of high school or are they More mature adults who are Getting an education for a career change.
Or what would you have found to be your average student? I?
Cannot answer that you have not started yet. Oh.
Great. Well, I'm glad to be one of the first to be discussing the launching of Christendom Bible College and And since we mentioned the Patrick Henry Institute tell us about that.
Created about 25 years ago playing off with that as they say in Patrick Henry Institute. Done that. You're my Christian College student. Another one was of life. The whole Bible College into all this too.
Yeah, I actually I actually had the the privilege. This is a both wonderful and painful memory. I had the privilege to interview Dr. Greg Bonson before I even had a radio show. He was speaking at Messiah's congregation in Brooklyn, New York pastored by Steve Schlissel and I was in attendance at that meeting and I remember very well.
Dr. Bonson's sermon on the Ascension and it perhaps is engraven in my memory. Not only because it was a powerful sermon, but I don't think I had ever heard a whole sermon on the Ascension before and During a break between the morning and evening service Pastor Schlissel said to me I know that one day you're going to become a Christian radio host.
I had been working in Christian radio as an account executive selling airtime and Steve Schlissel had a very accurate Instinct. I'm not going to call him a prophet, but he. He he was very confident that I would become a talk radio host and he says I want you to interview Greg Bonson in my study and Use that as a part of your portfolio your resume.
For when one day you go searching for a job as a talk show host. So I did that I had. I was so honored with the privilege of interviewing. Dr. Bonson sitting right in front of me and then years later Having moved several times the tape was lost.
Which. Oh which I kick myself every time I think about it. So that's why I said it's both a beautiful and horrible memory.
And the new Boston Institute would probably love to have that tape.
Well, who knows maybe by God's providence it will show up one day, but I Seriously doubt it, but God God can do anything.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I want to give our listeners the website for Christendom Bible College. I'm sure I will be repeating this later, but it's very easy. Christendom Bible College org. Christendom Bible College Org.
Now just out of curiosity. What did you call it? Christendom. Did you want the name to be broader? Perhaps in its sphere of influence and student body and so on then specifically the Christian Church Christendom seems to convey and has conveyed a broader sense of That Which even professes to be Christian in addition to that which is actually and truly Christian.
Not entirely the books of the Bible. Teaching just the books of the Bible each the Bible and endeavor every we harken back great. Well, we will return to.
More about Christendom Bible College and also Our broader theme today Reconquering the Academy for Christ, but before we do that we have a Tradition here on iron sharpens iron radio. Yes Bible believing Protestants and reformed Christians do believe in tradition.
We just do not believe it is Inerrant only the scriptures are inerrant and only the scriptures are our authority For matters of faith and the Christian life but we do have traditions and one of my traditions on this show is That every time I have a first-time guest if that guest happens to be a Christian There are rare occasions when I have non-christians as guests.
For one reason or another they may have written a book that is of great importance even for the body of Christ Even though the author is not a Christian. But my typical guest is a Christian and I have that that guest and the first appearance on this program to give a summary of their salvation testimony and that would include the kind of religious atmosphere if any they were raised in and What kind of providential circumstances are sovereign Lord raised up in their lives?
That drew them to himself and saved them and I would love to hear your story now.
Yes, the infamous morning. Yeah, I saw that movie. It was a very powerful movie. Yes, yes, Sunday morning Sunday taught the word.
Which just went through a major split. The conservatives Formed a different denomination.
Yeah, we were. It was about 1978. I was a to know the Lord a series of circumstances that some setbacks in my life not the kind of setbacks that were Major like with some individuals. Oh, I dropped out.
And then I I was engaged to a girl Barrett Huntington, and she she dumped me. Have to be honest because I dropped out of dental school.
Yeah, my first Christian girlfriend dumped me too, but a very very wonderful girl and actually a couldn't blame her.
No, no, not those days because my aunt there in Huntington owned a Christian bookstore and I would do an inventory. They thought this looks really interesting. This is a book. Where this guy actually applies Christianity to life.
It's not just about how to get saved. Which is obviously the most important first step. But it goes well beyond that. I bought that book. They talk about going at a Bob Herring in Huntington a big traveling evangelist, but just emotional.
Where. But you know, believe it or not.
I have met and I'm not going to identify them by name because I might get them in trouble. But I have met at least two United Methodist pastors who are five-point talons. That's Wow.
In the latter part of 1978 all of these the Lord used to bring me to himself and after that after that I was really Enthusiastic about my newfound faith. I really wanted to apply the faith All of life and I had never heard of Bonson or talking about that.
You and by the way, RJ Rush Dooney was a client of mine for a couple of years.
When I worked at WMC a radio he Joined a Program that I created called the voice of Sovereign Grace which had it aired every night and had five different speakers and The Calcedon Foundation sponsored one of those nights and RJ Rush Dooney was being interviewed That night of the week every week by pastor Steve Schlissel actually who I mentioned earlier and So I go way back a long way with the late dr. Rush Dooney and His magazine as well the Calcedon report.
I don't know if it still exists, but I was a regular subscriber to that.
He was also work on a master's degree in political science. So that I could teach really wanted to teach in a Christian college. I didn't know too much about Christian colleges then. But I knew they were out there and I wanted to do that.
So he took me to law school degree as well from Boston University. And I did. You know, I didn't get much of a Christian worldview obviously. In my master's pro law degree different people teach a Christian Christian college to teach at.
I sent out resumes all over the country and Only one called me and gave me an interview that drove City College. Oh.
Yeah, that's where dr. Carl Truman is currently in the faculty.
That's right. He wasn't there then. This is a long time. Right? Right. He was with Westminster and Christian College and somewhat distinct at this time over to all the regulations of the federal government.
They argued they were not not to take the money wherever here. They won their case at City College. Wow. Yeah, I just remembered another faculty member I've interviewed from there. Dr. T David Gordon.
Oh. There was. The Liberty needed me to come and my brother I think they were kind of City College gave ten different lectures.
Wow, and it's it's interesting because dr. Falwell was a vehement anti Calvinist. So it's interesting that he would allow That to take place there.
Well was in Bible College. He actually defended Calvinism. Well, he actually claimed that. I remember him claiming that he used to be a Calvinist. Yes, yeah, by the way, he is he is now. A lot of practical things that Should be doing now like starting a Christian school like starting a Christian University.
That was unique and all kinds of other ministries that he had. He was acting like a Calvinist even. Though he claimed he wasn't anymore a Calvinist. In fact, he prayed like a Calvinist because.
When the president of Liberty Seminary Ergin Kainer Gave a really radically anti Calvinist speech. Right before what was supposed to be a debate between him and James White that never never took place.
After this. Really horrendous speech against Calvinism really horrible because it didn't even involve exegesis or anything. Jerry Falwell immediately after Dr. Kainer finished his speech. Dr. Dr. Falwell rose up to the pulpit and Said what a wonderful message.
Let's bow our heads in prayer. God, please open up the eyes of the blind today, please. Please give men new hearts so they can understand the gospel that we are proclaiming. I mean it is praying like a Galvanist.
You know, yeah, even though he thought and of course I was paraphrasing. I don't remember the exact wording. I just remember sitting there Watching him and hearing him saying he's praying like a Calvinist.
He was praying things that only a Calvinist could logically pray. Because he was asking God to enable lost sinners to hear and understand.
Jerry Falwell and powerful individual. I never even very Calvinistic. I was called her. You're doing a great thing what you're doing there. Praise God. And not only that but the at the time the provost of Liberty.
I didn't know what he was gonna think I can do to help you. Let me know. Level different type of pirate Jerry in his ministry. Praise God. We have to go to our first station break right now.
If anybody would like to send in a question to dr. Kevin Clawson on The theme that we that we are addressing today Reconquering the Academy for Christ our email address is Chris Arnzen and gmail .com.
Chris Arnzen and gmail .com. As always give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence. Don't go away. We'll be right back with dr. Kevin Clawson after these messages.
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If you have a question, send it to Chris Arnson at gmail .com. C-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least your city and state and country of residence the title Reconquering the Academy for Christ Insinuates that the Academy was once clearly Founded in the principles of Jesus Christ and the Academy at one time in this nation Especially the Academy of higher learning and seminaries were very well known to be Proclaiming the true Christ of the true scriptures and that would include even the Ivy League schools that are now basically with the exception of individual faculty members and the student body members apostate Having long ago abandoned the roots upon which they were founded but Tell us about what you Believe or how you view reconquering the Academy for Christ.
Well in the United States and many many others the situation today try to deal with. Every institution they have to be constantly vigilant. The big blow-up about PhDs. Affected. You have to be aware of that, but yes, you've got a big day and so on so forth 2018.
Didn't see it that way. The Bible. Trump. What if we had said, okay, that's fine. You teach the ISI, you know over the years I have.
Witnessed. What appears to be? The yearning the craving of certain academics who are professing Christians even professing reformed Christians. Who have this yearning and craving to be recognized appreciated and Even celebrated in some degree by leftists in academia.
Who are considered to be the most brilliant minds of any given category and I? Emphasize the word considered don't not saying that they are. But there are leftists and up and apostates and atheists and agnostics who are brilliant.
We can't take that away from them Even if they are unwise and even if they are clinging to things that are lies. There are many among them that are brilliant, but have you witnessed this yourself. How?
Men over the years sometimes when they have achieved Great credentials and respect become too broad far too broad in their sphere of those whom they embrace as Either brethren or they far too often acknowledge them as not as being as being their colleagues and even Those they look up to in academia rather than being the enemies of the gospel.
Yes.
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Chris Arnson at gmail .com and before the break dr. Clawson you were speaking about. There there are sadly many in academia who profess to be Christians and Perhaps they really are Christians but they have been successfully tempted and lured into a compromising of what they believe.
Maybe even perhaps as far as a denial of what they believe although we believe that a truly elect person would not do that very long but They're they're they're doing this because of a craving to be respected by their peers in academia who might even be apostates or just Pure atheists and agnostics and leftists if you could continue where you left off.
Yes to be the part of that not necessarily you mentioned that many true believers. But they and they'll do it. That's why it's up to the institution. Keep a tight guard what it believes. Academicians don't teach what not to teach.
But it's up to the institution do that. Whether they like behold as a parent expect the institution certain doctrines from the faculty that other. Interested parties in a lot of Christian institutions.
There's one of the ways that a Christian institution can guard. Stopped in what I call a Catholic something in this area something of this whatever. For well see prison of Bible College. Wants to not for free but to give the student to your college or the probably mostly for your four-year college.
It might have 30 people probably don't really nine hours entering into such. Well praise God for that.
We have Joseph and South Central, Pennsylvania who has a question. I know that in elementary and high school grades There is a thing called classical Christian education That will incorporate different Worldviews and ideologies not being taught as truth side by side with truth But just to prepare the students to be able to respond to those Other worldviews no matter how false they may be in an intelligent way.
They may have a course on Creation but also explain what those that advocate theistic evolution Really believe and teach in order so that they will not be caught by surprised in the real world and be able to in an educated fashion Reply to and refute these other worldviews.
Do you have a concept like that in your school? And do you accept that kind of a concept?
Well, that's not you need. We at Christian of Bible College are what is what it's called. What the questioner was talking about into the curriculum but it's not as. It's not particularly new st. Andrews College, for example out of Idaho.
Or many other classes too much detail the idea what that means in for American Christian Foundation for what we're doing At Christian of Bible College in the classical approach. Either classical Christian approach either.
Incorporated into it. You can read some of it. Thank you, Joseph. We have an anonymous listener.
Who says. I'm remaining anonymous because I have many friends who are graduates of Bob Jones University. And I don't want to unnecessarily offend them by something that I or you say but I'm asking if Bob Jones University is as Anti-calvinist as it notoriously was for most of his its existence.
I heard you earlier in the program Recommending it as being a fine school, but I was wondering if they are still very opposed to the doctrines of Reform Theology. That's a very interesting question and I'll let you answer that before I have my own personal experience hearing and seeing Steve Pettit the president a really excellent Bible conference not long ago in Manhattan where he was a featured speaker amongst Reformed men.
But if you could comment yourself there.
Sure Liberty University, but VP here at Brock Bob Jones University in a lot of ways. But that would move them a lot of supporters of the other. I was just about to say. But It's kind of like Liberty University.
Liberty University Said we are there. There are many who are still there. Bob Jones. Yeah. Yeah. Well my own experience.
Was Having met for the very first time Steve Pettit the president and chief executive officer for Bob Jones University. I met him and heard him and saw him preach at a Conference called the foundations conference that used to be held in Manhattan.
I don't know if they're ever going to return to Manhattan but I think I went to three or four of those conferences and One featured Steve Pettit and he was the only one On the panel or on the roster I should say That was not openly by name and by title a Reformed pastor or preacher teacher and Having said that although dr. Pettit never Specifically used buzzwords and Typically a popular Calvinistic phraseology with labels and titles It what his message was clearly a message that only a thoroughgoing Calvinist could preach because he even not by name but by content Advocated and declared a reformed understanding of the ordo salutis.
So I sat in amazement and with delight Hearing an excellent message by him now. I don't know for a fact if he would ever say yes I am now a Calvinist or I am now reform. I know people that believe in Most or all of the major tenets of Calvinism that never used that phrase to identify themselves but I could at least say that that I think he is too smart of a man to not know what he was saying and It was clearly a message as I said that only somebody who believed that regeneration precedes conversion Conversion being an instant fruit of regeneration but still that that God needs to give or perform heart surgery on a lost dead sinner before he can see hear and believe in the truth of the gospel in a trusting and saving way and And he I was very impressed by him.
That's all I have to say about that. I didn't have a chance to ask him about that. I would love to have him on the program.
Well one of the things in my days at Liberty Bob Jones University theological position and we had a few who top-notch professors in fact the president I he did go to Liberty Bob Jones University graduate from way back and.
Because of Bob Jones, he had a strong and because of Bob Jones he had a strong.
Yes, and interestingly enough, even though they have a history of vehement anti-calvinism they've always had a great love admiration respect and connection with the late Ian Paisley and the denomination that he founded the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster and Free Presbyterian Church of North America.
Which is thoroughly Calvinistic. And yeah, and the Free Presbyterian Church congregations Apparently from what I understand used to be the only Congregations they would allow students who are Calvinist to attend or to join.
And I happen to love the men of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster and North America. They typically are powerful preachers. The only thing I'm aware of over which I have a disagreement with them is their exclusive view of the King James Bible.
But Every man I've met from that denomination is a fine man that I would love to hear preach again.
Oh, oh, yeah, my friend Bill Shishko of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.
Who was pastoring for decades in Franklin Square, New York and now is pastoring in Comac Long Island, New York the haven that congregation is called still in the OPC and A number of other men who I've interviewed on this program who are thoroughly reformed Are graduates of BJU.
Because of their Berean attitude and their Their attempts to be thoroughly biblical and people are thoroughly biblical. They tend to fall in love with the doctrines of grace eventually.
Yeah.
Not all I understand that there are fine brethren or Arminian. But it's just amazing how often that happens. It also happens in Are among the Calvary Chapel congregations which Calvary Chapel is known for being vehemently anti-Calvinist as well, but I Have met and known a number of men who because of the Bible focused nature of Calvary Chapel They've come to embrace the doctrines of grace and have been and have been disfellowshipped as a result.
But it began there that the seeds were planted there just because of their their constant focus on the Bible. Yeah, yeah, what else would you like to? Say must be a major element in.
A mission to reconquer the Academy for Christ. I'll name a few names here Liberty University and Cedarville University and and Bryan College and a few others. To be a crisis. There's always going to be some issue of of a college.
I mean now a lot of places. It's it's CRT LGBTQ agenda some so not these places, but they still have to be very intentional about holding the line. They've got doctor community standards have to be willing.
To make the heart to communicate a vision. To the people who work at the College University. That's usually up you don't like that for you to go teach everybody on these non-negotiable forces. I agree.
And we have another question from Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina a very faithful listener to this program and Actually also a very faithful financial supporter. Grady says. Greetings brothers. Recently I read that Harvard Yale and other early Christian universities were doing well Upholding the truths of the Holy Scripture until the ministers that started them Stepped down and they were turned over to academia.
Have you noticed this in other Christian schools? Well Grady, I don't know if you've been listening, but that's about the entirety of what we've been discussing today already.
Yeah. Perhaps perhaps you could be more detailed about that. A Lot of people I know we're we're very concerned what's going to happen to Liberty with Jerry Falwell Senior and certainly we've seen the news.
We've seen the headlines. Liberty University has had its ups and downs for a few years. Not financially. It's been doing great financially. But there have been some other controversies at Liberty. I would which direction the Liberty University is going in because they just lost their their previous president Jerry Falwell jr.
He was not his father to be sure. But now they're now they're looking at for a president and who are they going to get and which direction Are they going to go in? How is that choice going to indicate the individuals are on the mission and and the Board of Trustees?
Whoever they are at Liberty or any other school where this might apply They have to focus on the mission and the purpose of the school and they have to hire based on that. Not hire somebody who's going to come in just because oh they can raise more money.
Something of that sort it would like to have more money every institution would like to have more not the mission. The mission is glorifying. God is building up the team will be added unto them. But the mission and the purpose have to come first.
Before all these other things. Yeah, I think there's a danger. There's a danger when that thing is kind of a long time it could like Harvard at Yale a little bit later.
Amen. Yeah, and that has happened to churches of renown. The church once pastored by Jonathan Edwards is now what they call an open and affirming Congregation whelping unrepentant homosexuals in their midst not only to become members but to become leaders and To be celebrated not just tolerated to be celebrated.
This is a travesty and It's interesting most of the churches and and one of the most liberal or beyond liberal leftist and apostate denominations the United Church of Christ. And also known as the Congregationalists most of those churches have historically been able to trace themselves back to the Puritans and I found it quite Humorous when a friend of mine was pastoring an independent Baptist Church very conservative with reformed leanings in eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, and they were renting a building from the United Church of Christ the denomination and When they expressed interest in buying the building, which is a haste which is a historic building Going back centuries the thing that was quite humorous.
Is this leftist? Congregation with a woman minister. They Found out that according to the deed one of the things required In selling the building was that the church who bought the building had to be confessionally reformed.
Because that was a part of the that was a part of the deed in The original owners who were thoroughgoing Calvinists and the irony is that they were insisting that a church Buying that building be reformed even though they themselves were not.
I'm assuming they didn't or maybe they didn't even know what it meant. Well, we have to go to our final break right now and if you have a question Please send it in immediately because they're rapidly running out of time.
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With us we have about Seven minutes left brother if you could in about five of those minutes summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and Minds of our listeners before we leave today.
Well, one thing is that have been compromised one of the answers to that that remains strong to Strengthen the foundation, but another asked entities to rock. An example of that is Christian and Bible college.
There there could be other examples to new entity at least at least. Where can get the foundation the strong biblical foundation first. Even if it's just a one-year program or maybe a two-year program.
Get the foundations first and then go on and do something. You know an engineering or business need to strengthen new competition and attention to them and it's dark and dangerous times. In higher education, I think working against.
I've mentioned a few of them before. Government money is certainly one of them that I did. The lure of government money Can create Other people and other. Well, why don't you wet the appetites of our listeners tomorrow?
By telling our listeners something about your son-in-law Chris door. Who will be our guest tomorrow? I believe the Association. Where he serves as director Is the Pennsylvania Firearms Association. If you could give us some details about your son-in-law.
Well, he also runs the organization in Ohio, well, he's my son-in-law, what can I say? He's the the father of but he really is a dynamic guy. He really loves the Lord the Second Amendment. But also to issues like abortion for example and other issues today that are hot-button issues today he really is quite quite dynamic and.
Obviously. Anybody listening should think twice about ever trying to invade the home of Chris door because there are likely at least ten people in that home who are very skilled at using firearms.
Yeah If they can find it.
Well So mark down your calendars folks that tomorrow Chris door Will be on our program director of the Pennsylvania Firearms Association and Also, Ohio gun owners, and I want to also remind our listeners of the website For Christendom College that we have been discussing today the website is Christendom Bible College or Christendom Bible College org and Any final words before we go off the air?
Yes, I'm sorry. I misspoke.
That's all right, if you don't you'll go to yes, and we don't want you to apostatize so make sure.
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New Richmond. Well, thanks so much for being in such an excellent guest. Dr. Clausen, I look forward to your return to the program and Please send my warm greetings in Christ to dr. Joe Moore craft and his lovely wife Becky and Thank them again for recommending that I interview you today.
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