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May 2022.

And Today we have a first -time guest someone that comes once

again.

With a number of my guests recently with the enthusiastic

Recommendation of dr. Joseph C. Moore craft the third one of my favorite guests to interview on this

program.

Along with his lovely bride Becky they have both Enthusiastically recommended

that I interviewed dr. Clausen.

This is dr. Kevin Clausen who is president and teacher of principles of law and principles of

government at Christendom Bible College and Today we are going to be addressing the theme

Reconquering the Academy for Christ and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first

time ever to iron sharpens iron Radio dr. Kevin Clausen.

Thank you pleasure to be here.

And although I am interviewing Dr. Clausen for the very first time today.

I have met him before.

When I was a brand new Christian in the mid 1980s.

I.

Started a long -distance dating relationship with a wonderful Christian woman back

then Barbara who was a graduate of Liberty

University in Lynchburg, Virginia and She was also

at the time an elementary school teacher for Jerry Falwell at the Christian

school associated with Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg and One year

when I was visiting her early on in our relationship.

Visiting her and her parents out there in the Lynchburg, Virginia area.

While she was working.

She said, you know, I know a professor who's a Calvinist just like you are.

That was one of the differences we had Barbara and I she was not a Calvinist but she I know a

professor who's a Calvinist and I think that you'd love to meet him and I believe she

somehow arranged a meeting between my guest today and I dr. Kevin Clausen and

he took me on a tour of a building that was going to

become the headquarters for the Patrick Henry Institute and I just remember being

very blessed by my meeting with dr. Clausen and very impressed with him and

Little did I know then that I would one day be interviewing him in a Christian radio program because I had no idea at that time that I would be

the host of a Christian radio broadcast, but I don't know if you remember that

day, but I remember it very well.

Well, yeah,

I remember I was very impressed with the building as well.

Well before we go into the subject at hand Tell our listeners about

Christendom Bible College.

Yes, Christendom Bible College is a very unique institution.

It offers a one -year program a one -year program.

Most most colleges are this is a one -year program which offers a

program which which gives you the biblical foundations of Christianity

Western civilization and of America and it builds those foundations across

various disciplines various law and government

economics History theology Philosophy the humanities

as it were I'll use that term the humanities And so forth.

So it gives you a one -year foundation.

We like to say give us one year for life Prepares you for life.

And so after that one year a student can go on to

transfer to another college a four -year college.

Or Or Student can go to a vocation without going on to college at all.

It gives you a foundation either way.

Yes, that is interesting.

Who do you find?

Are your most typical student if there is such a thing as far as

age group and Season in their lives.

Are they usually?

Students right out of high school or are they More mature adults who are

Getting an education for a career change.

Or what would you have found to be your average student?

I?

Cannot answer that you have not started yet.

Oh.

Great.

Well, I'm glad to be one of the first to be discussing the launching of Christendom Bible College and

And since we mentioned the Patrick Henry Institute tell us about that.

Created about 25 years ago

playing

off with

that as they

say in Patrick

Henry Institute.

Done that.

You're

my Christian College

student.

Another

one was

of life.

The whole

Bible College

into

all

this too.

Yeah, I actually I actually had the the privilege.

This is a both wonderful and painful memory.

I had the privilege to interview Dr. Greg Bonson before I even had a radio

show.

He was speaking at Messiah's congregation in Brooklyn, New York pastored by

Steve Schlissel and I was in attendance at that meeting and

I remember very well.

Dr. Bonson's sermon on the Ascension and it perhaps is engraven in my memory.

Not only because it was a powerful sermon, but I don't think I had ever heard a whole sermon on the Ascension before and

During a break between the morning and evening service

Pastor Schlissel said to me I know that one day you're going to become a Christian radio host.

I had been working in Christian radio as an account executive selling airtime

and Steve Schlissel had a very accurate Instinct.

I'm not going to call him a prophet, but he.

He he was very confident that I would become a talk radio host and he says I want you to

interview Greg Bonson in my study and Use that as a

part of your portfolio your resume.

For when one day you go searching for a job as a talk show host.

So I did that I had.

I was so honored with the privilege of interviewing.

Dr. Bonson sitting right in front of me and then years later Having

moved several times the tape was lost.

Which.

Oh which I kick myself every time I think about it.

So that's why I said it's both a beautiful and horrible memory.

And the new Boston Institute would probably love to have that tape.

Well, who knows maybe by God's providence it will show up one day, but I Seriously doubt it, but

God God can do anything.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I want to give our listeners the website for Christendom Bible College.

I'm sure I will be repeating this later, but it's very easy.

Christendom Bible College org.

Christendom Bible College Org.

Now just out of curiosity.

What did you call it?

Christendom.

Did you want the name to be broader?

Perhaps in its sphere of influence and student body and

so on then specifically the Christian Church Christendom seems

to convey and has conveyed a broader sense of

That Which even professes to be Christian in addition to that which is

actually and truly Christian.

Not entirely the books of the Bible.

Teaching just the books of the Bible each the Bible and

endeavor every

we harken back great.

Well, we

will return to.

More about Christendom Bible College and also Our broader theme today

Reconquering the Academy for Christ, but before we do that we have a

Tradition here on iron sharpens iron radio.

Yes Bible believing Protestants and reformed Christians do believe in tradition.

We just do not believe it is Inerrant only the scriptures are inerrant and

only the scriptures are our authority For matters of faith

and the Christian life but we do have traditions and one of my traditions on this

show is That every time I have a first -time guest if that guest happens to be

a Christian There are rare occasions when I have non -christians as guests.

For one reason or another they may have written a book that is of great importance even for the body of

Christ Even though the author is not a Christian.

But my typical guest is a Christian and I have that that guest and the

first appearance on this program to give a summary of their salvation testimony and that would include

the kind of religious atmosphere if any they were raised in and What kind of

providential circumstances are sovereign Lord raised up in their lives?

That drew them to himself and saved them and I would love to hear your story now.

Yes, the

infamous morning.

Yeah, I saw

that movie.

It was a very powerful

movie.

Yes,

yes,

Sunday

morning Sunday

taught

the word.

Which just went through a major split.

The conservatives Formed a different denomination.

Yeah, we were.

It was about

1978.

I was a

to know the Lord a series of circumstances that some

setbacks in my life not the kind of setbacks that were Major like with some

individuals.

Oh, I dropped out.

And then I I was engaged to a girl Barrett Huntington, and she she dumped me.

Have to be honest because I dropped out of dental school.

Yeah, my first Christian girlfriend dumped me too, but a very very wonderful girl and

actually a couldn't blame her.

No, no, not those

days because my aunt there in

Huntington owned a Christian bookstore and I would do an inventory.

They thought this looks really interesting.

This is a book.

Where this guy actually applies Christianity to life.

It's not just about how to get saved.

Which is obviously the most important first step.

But it goes well beyond that.

I bought that book.

They talk about going at a Bob Herring

in Huntington a big traveling

evangelist, but

just

emotional.

Where.

But you know,

believe it or not.

I have met and I'm not going to identify them by name because I might get them in trouble.

But I have met at least two United Methodist pastors who

are five -point talons.

That's Wow.

In

the latter part of 1978 all of these the Lord used

to bring me to himself and after that after that I was really

Enthusiastic about my newfound faith.

I really wanted to apply the faith All of life and I had never heard of

Bonson or talking

about that.

You and by the way, RJ Rush Dooney was a client of mine for a couple of years.

When I worked at WMC a radio he Joined a Program that I created

called the voice of Sovereign Grace which had it aired every night and had five different

speakers and The Calcedon Foundation

sponsored one of those nights and RJ Rush Dooney was being interviewed

That night of the week every week by pastor Steve Schlissel actually who I

mentioned earlier and So I go way back a long way with

the late dr. Rush Dooney and His magazine as well the Calcedon report.

I don't know if it still exists, but I was a regular subscriber to that.

He was also

work on

a master's degree in political science.

So that I could teach really wanted to teach in a Christian college.

I didn't know too much about Christian colleges then.

But I knew they were out there and I wanted to do that.

So he took me to law school degree as well from Boston University.

And I did.

You know, I didn't get much of a Christian worldview obviously.

In my master's pro

law

degree different people

teach a

Christian Christian

college to teach at.

I sent out resumes all over the country and Only one called me and gave me an interview that

drove City College.

Oh.

Yeah, that's where dr. Carl Truman is currently in the faculty.

That's right.

He wasn't there then.

This is a long time.

Right?

Right.

He was with Westminster and

Christian College and somewhat distinct

at this time

over

to all the regulations of the federal government.

They argued they were not not

to take the money wherever

here.

They won

their case at

City

College.

Wow.

Yeah, I just remembered another faculty member I've interviewed from there.

Dr. T David Gordon.

Oh.

There was.

The Liberty needed

me to come and

my

brother

I think

they

were kind of

City College

gave

ten

different lectures.

Wow, and it's it's interesting because dr. Falwell was a vehement anti Calvinist.

So it's interesting that he would allow That to take place there.

Well

was in

Bible College.

He actually defended Calvinism.

Well, he actually claimed that.

I remember him claiming that he used to be a Calvinist.

Yes, yeah, by the way, he is he is now.

A lot of practical things that Should

be doing now like starting a Christian school like starting a Christian University.

That was unique and all kinds of other ministries that he had.

He was acting like a Calvinist even.

Though he claimed he wasn't anymore a Calvinist.

In fact, he prayed like a Calvinist because.

When the president of Liberty Seminary Ergin Kainer

Gave a really radically anti Calvinist speech.

Right before what was supposed to be a debate between him and James White that never never took place.

After this.

Really horrendous speech against Calvinism really horrible because it didn't even involve

exegesis or anything.

Jerry Falwell immediately after Dr. Kainer finished his speech.

Dr. Dr. Falwell rose up to the pulpit and Said what a

wonderful message.

Let's bow our heads in prayer.

God, please open up the eyes of the blind today, please.

Please give men new hearts so they can understand the gospel that we are proclaiming.

I mean it is praying like a Galvanist.

You know, yeah, even though he thought and of course I was paraphrasing.

I don't remember the exact wording.

I just remember sitting there Watching him and hearing him saying he's praying like a Calvinist.

He was praying things that only a Calvinist could logically pray.

Because he was asking God to enable lost sinners to hear and understand.

Jerry Falwell and powerful individual.

I never even

very

Calvinistic.

I was

called her.

You're doing a great thing what you're doing there.

Praise God.

And not only that but the at the time the provost of Liberty.

I didn't know what he was

gonna think I can do to help you.

Let me know.

Level different type of pirate Jerry in

his ministry.

Praise God.

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Reconquering the Academy for Christ Insinuates

that the Academy was once clearly

Founded in the principles of Jesus Christ and the Academy at one time

in this nation Especially the Academy of higher learning and seminaries

were very well known to be Proclaiming the true Christ

of the true scriptures and that would include even the Ivy League schools that are now

basically with the exception of individual faculty members and the

student body members apostate Having long ago abandoned the roots upon

which they were founded but Tell us about what you Believe

or how you view reconquering the Academy for Christ.

Well in the

United

States and

many many others

the

situation

today

try

to

deal

with.

Every

institution

they

have

to

be

constantly

vigilant.

The

big

blow

-up

about

PhDs.

Affected.

You have to

be aware of that, but yes, you've

got a big

day and

so on so forth

2018.

Didn't see it

that way.

The

Bible.

Trump.

What

if we

had

said,

okay,

that's fine.

You

teach

the ISI,

you know over the years

I have.

Witnessed.

What appears to be?

The yearning the craving of certain

academics who are professing Christians even professing reformed

Christians.

Who have this yearning and craving to be recognized appreciated

and Even celebrated in some degree by

leftists in academia.

Who are considered to be the most brilliant minds of any given category and I?

Emphasize the word considered don't not saying that they are.

But there are leftists and up and apostates and atheists and agnostics who are brilliant.

We can't take that away from them Even if they are unwise and even if they are clinging

to things that are lies.

There are many among them that are brilliant, but have you witnessed this yourself.

How?

Men over the years sometimes when they have achieved Great credentials and respect

become too broad far too broad in their sphere of

those whom they embrace as Either brethren or

they far too often acknowledge them as not as

being as being their colleagues and even Those they

look up to in academia rather than being the enemies of the gospel.

Yes.

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There there are sadly many in academia who profess to be Christians and

Perhaps they really are Christians but they have been successfully tempted

and lured into a compromising of what they believe.

Maybe even perhaps as far as a denial of what they believe although we believe that a truly elect person

would not do that very long but They're they're they're

doing this because of a craving to be respected by their

peers in academia who might even be apostates or just Pure atheists and agnostics and

leftists if you could continue where you left off.

Yes to

be the part of

that not

necessarily you

mentioned that many true believers.

But they

and they'll do it.

That's why it's up to the institution.

Keep a tight guard

what it

believes.

Academicians don't teach what

not to teach.

But it's up to the institution do that.

Whether they like

behold as a

parent expect the institution certain

doctrines

from the faculty that other.

Interested parties in

a lot of Christian

institutions.

There's one of the ways that a Christian institution can guard.

Stopped in what I call a

Catholic something in

this area something of this

whatever.

For well see prison of

Bible College.

Wants to not for

free but to

give the

student to your college or the

probably mostly for your four -year college.

It

might

have

30 people probably don't really nine hours entering

into such.

Well praise

God

for

that.

We have Joseph and South Central, Pennsylvania who has a question.

I know that in elementary and high school grades There is a thing

called classical Christian education That will incorporate different

Worldviews and ideologies not being taught as truth side by side with truth But just to

prepare the students to be able to respond to those Other

worldviews no matter how false they may be in an intelligent way.

They may have a course on Creation but also explain what

those that advocate theistic evolution Really believe and teach in order so that they

will not be caught by surprised in the real world and be able to in an educated fashion

Reply to and refute these other worldviews.

Do you have a concept like that in your school?

And do you accept that kind of a concept?

Well, that's not you

need.

We at Christian of Bible College are

what is what it's called.

What the questioner was talking about into the curriculum but it's not

as.

It's not particularly new st.

Andrews College, for example out of Idaho.

Or many other classes too much detail

the

idea what that means in

for American Christian Foundation for

what we're

doing At Christian of Bible College

in the classical approach.

Either classical Christian approach either.

Incorporated into

it.

You can read

some of it.

Thank you, Joseph.

We have an anonymous listener.

Who says.

I'm remaining anonymous because I have many friends who are graduates of Bob Jones

University.

And I don't want to unnecessarily offend them by something that I or you say

but I'm asking if Bob Jones University is as Anti

-calvinist as it notoriously was for most of his its existence.

I heard you earlier in the program Recommending it as being a fine school, but I was wondering if

they are still very opposed to the doctrines of Reform Theology.

That's a very interesting question and I'll let you answer that before I have my own personal

experience hearing and seeing Steve Pettit the president a

really excellent Bible conference not long ago in Manhattan where he was a featured

speaker amongst Reformed men.

But if you could comment yourself there.

Sure Liberty

University, but VP

here at Brock

Bob Jones University in

a lot of ways.

But that would move them a lot of supporters of the other.

I was just about to say.

But It's kind of like Liberty University.

Liberty University Said we are

there.

There are many

who are

still there.

Bob Jones.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well my own experience.

Was Having met for the very first time Steve Pettit the president and

chief executive officer for Bob Jones University.

I met him and heard him and saw him preach at a Conference called the

foundations conference that used to be held in Manhattan.

I don't know if they're ever going to return to Manhattan but I think I went to three or four of those

conferences and One featured Steve Pettit and he was the only one

On the panel or on the roster I should say That was not openly

by name and by title a Reformed pastor or preacher teacher

and Having said that although dr. Pettit

never Specifically used

buzzwords and Typically a

popular Calvinistic phraseology with labels and titles It

what his message was clearly a message that only a thoroughgoing Calvinist could preach because he

even not by name but by content Advocated

and declared a reformed understanding of the ordo salutis.

So I sat in amazement and with delight Hearing an excellent message by him now.

I don't know for a fact if he would ever say yes I am now a Calvinist or I am now reform.

I know people that believe in Most or all of the major tenets of Calvinism that

never used that phrase to identify themselves but I could at least say that

that I think he is too smart of a man to not know what he was saying and

It was clearly a message as I said that only somebody who believed that regeneration precedes

conversion Conversion being an instant fruit

of regeneration but still that that God needs to give

or perform heart surgery on a lost dead sinner before he can see hear and

believe in the truth of the gospel in a trusting and saving way and And

he I was very impressed by him.

That's all I have to say about that.

I didn't have a chance to ask him about that.

I would love to have him on the program.

Well one of the things in my days

at Liberty

Bob Jones University theological

position

and we had a few who top -notch

professors

in fact the

president I he did go

to Liberty Bob Jones University graduate from way back and.

Because of Bob Jones, he had a strong and because of Bob Jones he had a

strong.

Yes, and interestingly enough, even though they have a history of vehement

anti -calvinism they've always had a great love

admiration respect and connection with the late Ian Paisley and the denomination

that he founded the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster and Free Presbyterian

Church of North America.

Which is thoroughly Calvinistic.

And yeah, and the Free Presbyterian Church congregations Apparently from what I understand

used to be the only Congregations they would allow students who are Calvinist to

attend or to join.

And I happen to love the men of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster and North America.

They typically are powerful preachers.

The only thing I'm aware of over which I have a disagreement with them is their

exclusive view of the King James Bible.

But Every man I've met from that denomination is a fine man that I would love to hear preach

again.

Oh, oh, yeah,

my friend Bill Shishko of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

Who was pastoring for decades in Franklin Square, New York and now is pastoring in

Comac Long Island, New York the haven that congregation is called still in the OPC and

A number of other men who I've interviewed on this program who are thoroughly reformed Are graduates of

BJU.

Because of their Berean attitude and their Their attempts to be thoroughly biblical and

people are thoroughly biblical.

They tend to fall in love with the doctrines of grace eventually.

Yeah.

Not all I understand that there are fine brethren or Arminian.

But it's just amazing how often that happens.

It also happens in Are among the Calvary Chapel congregations which

Calvary Chapel is known for being vehemently anti -Calvinist as well, but I Have met and known

a number of men who because of the Bible focused nature of Calvary Chapel

They've come to embrace the doctrines of grace and have been and have been disfellowshipped as a result.

But it began there that the seeds were planted there just because of their their constant focus on the

Bible.

Yeah, yeah, what else would you like to?

Say must be a major element in.

A mission to reconquer the Academy for Christ.

I'll name

a few names here Liberty

University and Cedarville University and and Bryan College and

a few others.

To be a crisis.

There's always going to be some issue of of a college.

I mean now a lot of

places.

It's it's CRT

LGBTQ agenda some so not

these places, but they still have

to be very intentional about holding the line.

They've got doctor

community

standards have to be willing.

To make the heart to

communicate a vision.

To the people who work at the College University.

That's usually

up you don't like that for

you to go teach

everybody on these non -negotiable

forces.

I

agree.

And we have another question from Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina a very faithful listener to this program

and Actually also a very faithful financial supporter.

Grady says.

Greetings brothers.

Recently I read that Harvard Yale and other early Christian universities were doing well

Upholding the truths of the Holy Scripture until the ministers that started them Stepped down

and they were turned over to academia.

Have you noticed this in other Christian schools?

Well Grady, I don't know if you've been listening, but that's about the entirety of what we've been discussing today already.

Yeah.

Perhaps perhaps you

could be

more

detailed

about that.

A

Lot of people I know we're we're very concerned what's going to happen to Liberty with Jerry Falwell

Senior and certainly we've seen the news.

We've seen the headlines.

Liberty University has had its ups and downs for a few years.

Not financially.

It's been doing great financially.

But there have been some other controversies at Liberty.

I would which

direction the Liberty University is going in because they just lost their their previous president Jerry Falwell jr.

He was not his father to be sure.

But now they're now they're looking at for a president and who are they going to get and which direction Are they going to go in?

How is that choice going to indicate

the individuals are on the

mission and and the Board of Trustees?

Whoever they are at Liberty or any other school where this might apply They have to

focus on the mission and the purpose of the school and they have to hire based on that.

Not hire somebody who's going to come in just because oh they can raise more money.

Something of that sort it would like to have more money every institution would like to have

more not the mission.

The mission is glorifying.

God is building up

the team will be

added unto them.

But the mission and the purpose have to come first.

Before all these other things.

Yeah, I think there's a danger.

There's a danger when that thing is kind

of a long time it could like Harvard

at Yale a little bit later.

Amen.

Yeah, and that has happened to churches of renown.

The church once pastored by Jonathan Edwards is now what they call an open and

affirming Congregation whelping unrepentant homosexuals in their midst not only to

become members but to become leaders and To be celebrated not just tolerated

to be celebrated.

This is a travesty and It's interesting most of

the churches and and one of the most liberal or beyond liberal

leftist and apostate denominations the United Church of Christ.

And also known as the Congregationalists most of those churches have

historically been able to trace themselves back to the Puritans and I

found it quite Humorous when a friend of mine was

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Is this leftist?

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They Found out that according to the deed one of the things

required In selling the building was that the church who bought the building

had to be confessionally reformed.

Because that was a part of the that was a part of the deed in The original owners who were

thoroughgoing Calvinists and the irony is that they were insisting that a church Buying that

building be reformed even though they themselves were not.

I'm assuming they didn't or maybe they didn't even know what it meant.

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With us we have about Seven minutes left

brother if you could in about five of those minutes summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and

Minds of our listeners before we leave today.

Well, one thing is that have

been compromised

one of the answers to that

that remains strong to Strengthen the

foundation, but another asked entities to rock.

An example of that is Christian and Bible college.

There there could be other examples to new

entity

at least at least.

Where can get the foundation the

strong biblical foundation first.

Even if it's just a one -year program or maybe a two -year program.

Get the foundations first and then go on and do something.

You know an engineering or

business need to

strengthen new competition

and

attention to them

and it's

dark

and

dangerous times.

In higher education, I think working against.

I've mentioned a few of them before.

Government money is certainly one of them that I did.

The lure of government money Can create

Other

people

and other.

Well, why

don't you wet the appetites of our

listeners tomorrow?

By telling our listeners something about your son -in -law Chris door.

Who will be our guest tomorrow?

I believe the Association.

Where he serves as director Is the Pennsylvania Firearms Association.

If you could give us some details about your son -in -law.

Well, he also runs the

organization in Ohio, well, he's my

son -in -law, what can I say?

He's the the father of but he really is a dynamic

guy.

He really loves the Lord

the Second Amendment.

But also to issues like abortion for example and other issues

today that are hot -button issues today he really is quite quite dynamic and.

Obviously.

Anybody listening should think twice about ever trying to invade the home of Chris door because there

are likely at least ten people in that home who are very skilled at using

firearms.

Yeah If they can find it.

Well So mark down your calendars folks that tomorrow Chris door Will be

on our program director of the Pennsylvania Firearms Association and Also, Ohio gun

owners, and I want to also remind our listeners of the website For

Christendom College that we have been discussing today the website is Christendom Bible

College or Christendom Bible College org and Any final words

before we go off the air?

Yes, I'm sorry.

I misspoke.

That's all right, if you don't you'll go to yes,

and we don't want you to apostatize so make sure.

Make sure you go to Christendom Bible College.

Org, you know, hi, you're Richmond, Ohio in Richmond, Ohio Christendom Bible College.

New Richmond.

Well, thanks so much for being in such an excellent guest.

Dr. Clausen, I look forward to your return to the program and Please send my warm

greetings in Christ to dr. Joe Moore craft and his lovely wife Becky and

Thank them again for recommending that I interview you today.

I want to I want to also thank all of our listeners today Especially those who took the time to write in

questions.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a

far far greater Savior than you are a sinner.