June 27, 2017 Show with Nathan Pickowicz on “The Key to Revitalizing Post-Christian America”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth, listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arns and your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 27th day of June 2017, and I'm very excited to have for the very first time on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Nate Pikowitz.

He is pastor of Harvest Bible Church in Gilmanton Ironworks, New Hampshire, a writer for Entreating Favor and Servants of Grace, and he's the author of a number of books, including a book we are going to be discussing today, Reviving New England, the Key to Revitalizing Post-Christian America.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to, welcome you back, I'm sorry, welcoming you to the first, for the very first time ever, to Iron Sharpens Iron, Nate Pikowitz.

Hey, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.

I guess since I was speaking to you off the air before the show started, I immediately went to welcoming you back.

That's all right. That's okay.

And I'm also excited to announce that, God willing, I will be attending the Fellowship Conference New England in Portland, Maine, where I will have an exhibitor's booth to promote Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, and God willing that is.

And I'm looking forward to meeting our guest, Pastor Nate Pikowitz, in person. He is one of the speakers for this conference, and we'll be talking more about that conference later. But just to give you a little taste, Pastor Don Curran is one of the four speakers.

He's the Eastern European Coordinator with HeartCry Missionary Society, which is the organization founded by Paul Washer. My dear friend, Pastor Mac Tomlinson, who is pastor at Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas, and the author of a number of books.

And I'm going to repeat my prayer request to you in the listening audience, to please pray that my brother John, my oldest brother, who is 72, I believe now, he lives 10 minutes away from Pastor Mac Tomlinson.

He is not a believer. And Pastor Mac has contacted him, trying to invite him to lunch, and he has hemmed and hawed and delayed the meeting. And I just ask of you to pray that my brother John gives in and meets with Pastor Mac, because my brother John has critical stage emphysema, and he even knows that the Lord could take him any moment, although I don't know if he would phrase it that way, because he's not a believer.

But I appreciate your prayers in that regard. And also, speaking at the conference, the Fellowship Conference New England, is Pastor Jesse Barrington of Grace Life Church in Dallas, Texas, the sister church of Grace Life Church in Lake City, Florida, who has a radio station that airs this program, Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, every day in a pre-recorded fashion.

And last but not least, our guest, Pastor Nate Pickowitz, that will be the 3rd through the 5th of August in Portland, Maine, and we'll give you more details about that later. But Pastor Nate Pickowitz, I would like you, before we get into any of the background of the church where you pastor, or even our topic at hand, I want our listeners to know what providential circumstances that our Sovereign Lord used in your life to draw you to himself and save you.

What kind of religious background were you raised in, if any? And describe that way that the Lord enabled you to discover his gospel and to finally believe in his gospel.

Sure. I was raised in a Christian home. My parents both went to Lever at a younger age, 13, and the next 10 years, I just wandered around. I even had friends of mine in college that were praying for me, they were Christians, they were praying that I would get saved.

So I don't know if I was a false convert at a young age, or if I backslid, I'm not really sure exactly, but when I was about 23, I met my woman, who is now my wife, and my father, who had wandered away and came back to the Lord.

We both heard the gospel and continued to hear the gospel, and she was Roman Catholic, and Jesus Christ was drawn back to the Lord. A lot of the things I'd already known as a kid, but now it became real to me.

So I can't pinpoint an exact date during that time, but it was at least possibly cultural, I'm not really sure. But yeah, it was right around 2003, and we got active in that church, and then that church kind of sort of wandered away toward the secret sensitive movement, and soon that's where we grew the most, and I believe on Christ and the gospel, and that's kind of some of my history right there.

When did you realize that you had received the call from God to become a pastor? You know, I think that was sort of 2009, that I really began to read my Bible just as an obligation, something I sort of had to do, but was never really in tune with what the Bible had to say, it was just a smaller discipline.

But right around 2009, it was actually December of 2009, I started to really read hundreds of sermons and just began to learn my Bible, study my Bible. I began to do men's ministry, and somewhere shortly after I started doing these things and sort of brought me into different varying degrees of leadership.

It was men's ministry, then worship ministry, and then leadership went on. So if I had to trace it back, I would say somewhere around 2009, learning the Word of God, just understanding who God was.

Judging from your last name, the spelling of your last name, I'm going to guess you're.

Polish, am I correct? That's actually very good, because most people think I'm either Jewish, we do have some Austrian heritage. Most of my family does come from Poland, we think. We lost a lot of the records, I'm not really sure, but it's definitely not Irish, I'll tell you that.

Well, my mother's side of the family are from Poland. My grandparents, who have long left this earth, long ago left this earth, they actually snuck out of Poland after the Nazi occupation and they wound up here in the United States.

And my mother and her sisters were the first generation Americans from the family. And it's interesting that you mentioned Austria, because I have heard that my mother's father may have originally been from Austria before moving to Poland, but their name was Husak, H-U-S-A-K.

But whenever I see a fellow Pole, I like to extend my greetings, even though I don't speak a word of Polish, although I do love Polish food. And before we even go into the subject at hand today, well, actually, before we even do that, I'd like to have you tell our listeners about Harvest Bible Church in Gilmonton Ironworks, New Hampshire, and I'm hoping I'm pronouncing.

Gilmonton correctly. That is correct, actually. Gilmonton Ironworks, two halves of the same town, they have different zip codes and everything. I don't know why, it's just I always knew, living here as churchgoing people, that we didn't want to stay in town, there wasn't much gospel witness in town.

So we'd always go away, we'd get ministry opportunities. The idea came about trusting the church before, I'd never planted a church before, but it just seemed like this was the right thing to do. And so I came back to the town I was raised in, and we planted a church, and just began to minister there.

And so just trying, there's been so much liberalism, and so much of the UCC denomination has just ruled and reigned up here. Nothing flashy, people just get together, have fellowship, hear the gospel, learn the word of God, by God's grace, raise up leadership.

Now, would you describe it as a Reformed church,.

A Reformed Baptist church? Is it confessional? Is it none of those? How would you describe it? I know that a lot of people don't like to use labels, but I'm just curious how you would.

Describe it theologically. Sure. Well, we are an EFC, formed in my theology, but over time, I don't, the terms, they oftentimes, they know. Calvinist and a Reformed theology is a bad thing, a lot of people.

Certainly, I'm never going to shy away from it. I teach the Scripture on chapter 6, coming in, but, and my hope, my goal is that the times see, really do desire, and that I believe that I write theology.

So, but we are Baptists.

And you mentioned Master's Seminary, for those of our listeners who are unfamiliar with Master's Seminary, that is the seminary founded by John MacArthur, who is one of my modern-day heroes. And it was so nice to share some fellowship this past week.

I was in New York City for a few days, two of those days, for the Foundations Conference, the conference run by Sermon Audio. And Phil Johnson was there, Executive Director of Grace to You, John MacArthur's television, radio, and literary ministry.

And a dear friend of mine from Long Island, New York, Chris Pandolfi, who's a graduate of Master's Seminary. And I have, although I've never been to seminary, I've never even visited the campus of Master's Seminary, I have very high regard for the faculty there.

I've interviewed some of the faculty, I've interviewed Dr. John MacArthur himself, I've interviewed Phil Johnson many times, and look forward to interviewing more of the faculty from Master's Seminary in the future.

And tell us about entreating favor and servants of grace, where you write occasional articles. Yeah, so entreating favor, there's.

Probably a longer story that would take up most of your program. But in essence, about two years ago, I was contacted by Landon Chatman, who runs entreating favor, and he had been a blogger for in contact with me.

And it immediately became a very, very kind of beyond that we became very good friends. I talked to him just about every day when we're not too busy. But the goal of entreating favor, critical content, articles that are edifying for the body, we don't do much in the way of polemics, if you will, we don't do much in terms of headlines, what's going on.

It's really just trying to identify things that are going on in the scriptures, you know, things that, and sort of right from that perspective, you know, right now I'm in the midst of restarting, I go through and I, one book of the Bible and try to make a case for why that is the best book in the Bible.

Now, there's 66 of them, everybody has a different opinion about which one that is. And so the goal is really just to try on why each book is display the magnificence of the teaching with that site. And then another friend of mine, Dave Jenkins, has invited me to write for him.

I don't give him as much content as I'm sure he would like, but I've tried to maintain the same thing, just write, write biblical content, write, it's kind of my heartbeat.

Great. Well, I'm going to give our listeners our email address now. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question for Nate Pickowitz, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

Before we go into the current topic that we are discussing today, reviving New England, I want to give a little teaser to our audience about your new book coming out. It's not even in print yet, but Why We Are Protestants, An Introduction to the Five Solos of the Reformation.

If you could tell us a little about that, although the title is self-explanatory, perhaps you could tell us perhaps what would make this different than other books in the five solos. And the printing in the background artwork of your book cover, a very attractive book cover, but it's so microscopic I can't read it.

Is that the 95 Theses or what is that? I can't.

Read it. That is the 95 Theses. Yeah, of course. That's the work of my friend Steve Melanson, he's Austin Peters. In New England, there's a large... I sort of came up with the idea...

Yeah, so when we get off the air after our interview today is over, I definitely want to schedule another interview with you on that book. So make sure that you hang on the line after our discussion is over for today.

But for those of our listeners who keep hearing the phrase solos and they don't know what our guest is talking about, that would be the watchwords of the Reformation, the pillars of the Reformation, that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, underneath the authority of the scriptures alone, to the glory of God alone.

Did I miss any of the solos? I wasn't counting. Yeah, yeah. Sola Scriptura is scripture alone,.

Sola Fide is faith alone, Sola Gracia is by grace alone, Christ alone, and Sola...

And in our day and age, tragically, you will have evangelical churches trying to have a ecumenical relationship with Rome that is not based on truth, unfortunately. It's more based on emotion. And they will take the solos out.

They will keep the watchwords, but remove the word alone. And when you remove the word alone, that turns a true gospel into a false gospel.

That's right.

The removal of that one word from all of those watchwords.

It's interesting, 1995 called for 1993, they had the evangelicals. I think that needs to be. That needs to be the me, Jesus Christ.

Reviving New England and the Burden to Recover a Christian Heritage

Well, today, we are discussing a different theme, although I'm sure it is connected, obviously. Reviving New England, the Key to Revitalizing Post-Christian America, which is the first book by our guest, Nate Pikowitz.

And I want to read a couple or a few of the accolades that have been written about this book by some folks that I have interviewed on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. Mike Abendroth, who is a wonderful guest on this program, pastor of Bethlehem Bible Church in West Boylston, Massachusetts, and host of No Compromise Radio.

He says, biblical crisp, fast paced. All these words describe Nate's assessment of and remedy for America's spiritual tundra, commonly referred to as New England. Reviving New England is both a and historical primer, written from the perspective of a passionate insider.

As you read this book, you can feel Nate's heart burn for the salvation of souls and the Lord's glory in the veritable graveyard of Christianity. Whether you want the Lord to revive the hearts of people in New England, or in your own hometown, Reviving lays out the biblical elixir for God honoring change.

May Gilmanton, New Hampshire, be famous for three things one day. And I have to put, it's quite obvious, I have to put my glasses on because I was struggling reading that. My old age is really creeping up on me faster than I care to admit.

But another listener that I've had on this program, who I really enjoy interviewing, is Scott Christensen. And he says, Nate Pickowitz has provided an insightful diagnosis of what ills New England churches.

He has also provided a potent antidote, revival, the sort of revival that took New England by storm in the mid -18th century, known as the Great Awakening. But this is no vain call without action. Pickowitz lays out a careful biblical and practical plan for spiritual revival.

His remedies are needed not only in the unique environs of the Northeast, but all across the North American continent. The church desperately needs revival, and this book lays out the prescription for it.

And last but not least, Todd Friel, who I've had on this program, really love Todd Friel. In fact, it was great to see Todd Friel just recently at the Foundations Conference in New York City. And Todd Friel, what a wonderful brother he is, and not only a very funny man, but a very biblically insightful man who I'm looking forward to having back on this program as frequently as I can.

If Todd Friel, if his endorsement's on something, then you should take it seriously, although you should not always take Todd seriously. But Todd says, and I, let's see, wow, I am really out of it today.

I just dropped my mouse here. I'm gonna have to get back to Todd's endorsement because the computer just went to a different page. I was trying to grab my mouse here. Today is not my day, I guess. All right, that's okay.

But what was the cattle, I mean, obviously you grew up in New England, and I'm sure that after you became a believer that one of the catalysts for writing this book had to be that you knew of the rich Christian heritage of New England, you knew that this was the land of the Puritans, and that even the churches that those very Puritans founded, some of them, the buildings still exist and are being used.

Tragically, the denominations, like you said earlier, the United Church of Christ, once before it became one of the most liberal and apostate denominations within what is known as Christendom, these churches once echoed with the thundering sermons of Puritans, and it's just totally amazing that this would happen.

If you could just describe in your own words how the burden on your heart began for writing this.

Book. Yeah, you actually hit it on the head. I mean, when I was looking to get into ministry, I would go on to do their other learning and get the landscape.

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By the way, now I have Todd Friel's endorsement for reviving New England in front of me. Is New England forsaken? Certainly not. The land of the Puritans can be revived, and Nate Pikowitz beautifully shows us how.

Nate Pikowitz, if you've just tuned us in, is our guest today for both hours on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, and we are discussing his book, Reviving New England, and the subtitle of that book is The Key to Revitalizing Post-Christian America.

And once again, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com if you have a question for Pastor Nate Pikowitz. Were you saying something, Pastor?

What's that?

I thought I heard you saying something, but I guess I was mistaken. Maybe it was just some background noise.

We're having a thunderstorm right here at my house, so we might hear some background noise, I'm sure.

Yes, and I would find it quite odd that it was just your house having the thunderstorm. You live on 1313 Mockingbird Lane, where the Munsters used to live. But it is heartbreaking, isn't it, to know that New England, once so rich with the doctrines of grace, with Reformed theology, with biblical truth known for its Puritan heritage, has seemingly vanished.

Can you give us some explanation how on earth that could possibly happen? And the Ivy League schools along with them?

Yeah, so you have lots of different causes. When I was doing my research in the world, in this region, in a nation, we turn away from the Lord. And again, I'm not talking about some thing that happened in Israel.

It seems that the first drop of poison that began to pollute the entire water system,.

If you will, of Puritanism, was the very slow and gradual toleration and then acceptance of Universalism. Am I right about that?

Yeah, I believe so. We had the Midwestern Baptist Theological Tenture, trying to get and trying to figure out, we can't, we can't pass.

So what do you mean in your book by the title, Oh, Lord, give me New England? What is meant by that very provocative phrase?

Just the fact that I would like God to give me New England, oh, Lord, oh, Lord, in the 1800s, the church was going away. And he was content. I mean, even in his own day, I mean, liberalism was starting to cost them their own labor.

They had to give him New England and sort of hiding out in small towns and in their own churches, and they're praying for the same thing. They're praying, Lord, give me New England, you know, return this region revived with every New England pastor.

Yes, in fact, the second.

Chapter is titled Giving God His Pulpits Back. That seems like a very optimistic thought. Obviously, we must firmly believe in the sovereignty of God and the power of prayer, because taking the pulpits back from those who centuries ago robbed them from the Puritans and from those who were biblically minded and God-centered and God-focused, either they were robbed from them, or they were fortunately just given up.

But the thought of getting those pulpits back seems like a vision that only the most optimistic post-millennialists could ever.

Dream would ever happen. Well, actually, it's called Revival and Revivalism.

Yes, it basically contrasts Finney, a false revivalist, with Asahel Middleton, correct?

Yeah, and I think it's going to happen in the heart of where we're leaving the region. I mean, it's on the Lord to do it so desperately.

Yeah, in fact, as you may be aware, there is a denomination that came out largely of pastors leaving the United Church of Christ, UCC, the most liberal of the so-called Christian denominations. I would think it'd be the most liberal, unless you want to count Unitarian Universalists.

But the Four Cs denomination, which are the conservative Bible-believing congregationalists, was formed, I think, largely because of men leaving the UCC. So you have a whole denomination of people returning, and sometimes returning the very congregations that were steeped in liberalism but had a rich heritage and deep roots of Puritanism, having those congregations returned to their rightful place in a God-honoring theological system with the Savoy Declaration and so on.

That's also a joy to see.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, again, as I've written the book, I do get letters and emails from people, and I've been hearing stories.

And by the way, the Four Cs, in case some of our listeners are wondering what that means, that's the Conservative Congregational Christian Conference. And if you want to find out more about them, their website is cccusa .com.

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For many years to come. Welcome back. This is Chris Arns. And if you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with about an hour to go is Nate Pickowitz, pastor of Harvest Bible Church in Gillington Ironworks, New Hampshire, writer for Intriguing Favor and Servants of Grace, and author of a number of books, including Reviving New England, The Key to Revitalizing Post-Christian America, which is our topic today.