August 5, 2020 Show with Darrell Bernard Harrison & Virgil Walker on “A Christian Response to ‘Black Lives Matter’ & the Woke Movement”

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I'm thrilled to have both a returning guest and a first-time guest, but this is the first time that they are both on together, and we're going to be discussing one of the most controversial issues in the media today.

I'm speaking of Darrell Bernard Harrison, who is the Dean of Social Media at the Bible Teaching Ministry of Dr. John MacArthur. Grace to you. And we also have joining us Virgil Walker, Discipleship Pastor at Westside Church in Omaha, Nebraska, who is co-host with Darrell Bernard Harrison of the Just Thinking Podcast.

And today, we are going to be addressing a Christian response to Black Lives Matter and the woke movement. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Darrell Bernard Harrison, and to welcome for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Virgil Walker.

Hey, thanks for having us, man.

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But please, if it's just a general question on the issues we're discussing, please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence. Well, before I go into your summaries of your personal testimonies, which is what we do on this show, as a tradition, when we are interviewing guests for the first time.

Darrell has been on this show before, but the last time he was on, it was a very brief interview, and we did not have time to address his personal testimony. I don't believe, anyway. So we will have them give their personal testimonies in a moment, starting with Virgil.

And before we do that, please, Darrell, tell us what you do as Dean of Social Media at the Bible Teaching Ministry of Grace to You, the ministry of John MacArthur.

I've been glad through Christ for about 19 months. My wife, Melissa, and I moved, along with Dean of Social Strategy, for the ministry, those strategies to make John MacArthur. So we've leveraged various social media platforms to help us accomplish that goal.

Everything that we do.

And if anybody wants more information about Grace to You, go to gty .org, gty .org. And now, Virgil, you, as I said before, Virgil Walker is the discipleship pastor at Westside Church in Omaha, Nebraska.

Why don't you tell us about Westside Church?

Westside Church is a Southern Baptist-affiliated church here in Omaha, Nebraska. It is the largest church here in our geography here in Nebraska. I'm the education and training. Pre-COVID, we had about 90-some-odd life groups, discipleship groups, that span three campuses.

And since COVID, as you can imagine, with the slow nature of people getting back into churches and such, that number has waned a bit. But we're still in the process of just theologically educating, training, and discipling, equipping the saints for the work of ministry.

I've been there for, gosh, this is going to be my sixth year. And, man, I've enjoyed the ministry there, both in teaching and also having opportunities from time to time to preach the word from the platform.

Well, praise God. And if you want to look up more information about Westside Church of Omaha, Nebraska, go to wchurch .tv, wchurch .tv. And as I just mentioned before, we are going to have our two guests today give a summary of their salvation testimony.

And we're going to start with Virgil Walker. If you could describe for us the kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in, if any, and what kind of providential circumstances our Lord raised up in your life and His sovereignty that drew you to Himself and saved you.

Yeah, incredible story. Man of just God's grace, very heavily involved in kind of black church settings. And in those settings, I think there was a classical gospel call that involved that type of setting, followed by, of course, all the other aspects, secondary issues related to gifts to the Spirit and all of that, that were a part of kind of my upbringing.

But I didn't come to faith in Christ, though that wasn't part of my childhood. I didn't come to faith in Christ until high school. That was through a friend of mine, John Lindsay. John Lindsay, freshman year, sophomore year, he was a year ahead of me.

He was a junior. And he had come back that summed up about what God was doing in his life and had told me that he had come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, no more this kind of game-playing, half-church-playing kind of experience, that he was really a truly heart conversion, that there was going to be a transformed life lived out on a regular, consistent basis.

And sure enough, I thought I'd start one day and be done tomorrow or at least done next week, or I'll give him about a month and we'll see how it goes. God has faith than ever before. And really it started engaging other friends of ours, the part of, and it was there that I got a chance to meet Mint and then John and did a fantastic, encouraging others to regular, consistent, to kind of see a...

Well, praise God. And now, Daryl Bernard Harrison, it's your turn to give a summary of your salvation testimony.

Yep, I'm a new-liver of Atlanta. All of my... The church was passed and my mother loved, just married to a walker. I can't remember hearing the military. Nine days after I graduated, was on my father's side of the family.

His family went there. Joined that church because I knew people there. All of a sudden, it hit me. I wasn't going. After that epiphany kind of hit me, I was just really convicted that, yeah, I'm kind of going to drive in Atlanta.

My mother stood by. While I was that person, Stanley Reed was like, wow, I can go to good Southern Baptist churches and we'll do... You'll find a business called The Orchestra. It was a cold February.

I was supposed to go to church. But you know, since God's wrath on 336, that going to church does not hurt and does not save...

Praise God. Love hearing the stories of how our Lord has drawn people to himself and saved them. Now, I would love for you, and we can start with Darrell this time. I'd love for you to both describe the Just Thinking podcast that you co-host.

The Just Thinking Podcast and Its Mission

Wow.

I'm going to begin by describing it. Give a little history. The Just Thinking podcast, by long form, I get them through the script. You know, our mission is podcast. It's not... But by God's grace, a couple of days ago, Chris, a million downloads.

We've surpassed...

Wow.

...downloads. 100 epiphanies by God's grace today. So again, in short, I'll let Virgil add whatever he wants. But if you don't want to apply...

Well, one would have to think that if somebody doesn't want to apply their brain cells to learn more about their Lord and about the scriptures that our Lord has breathed out, I think that we would have to question somebody's salvation.

But Virgil, if you could, start with your own description.

Yeah, I would only add it's Lord having an... And it's kind of jaw-dropped by those who neither dealt upon this endeavor, had the idea that we would be celebrating a 100th episode or more than a million downloads, or that we would be, at times, ranked the number one Christian podcast or the number four Christian podcast in the weeks just previous to this one.

And at the end of the day, on a microphone and pull up kind of the day and try to push them very methodically, very theologically through a biblical lens. And so we have an incredible behind-the-scene, and it's amazing and has used our voices with regard to what Daryl just mentioned, which are the political of the day.

And so that's been alongside this brother now for two years. And it's just yesterday that we have doing it, like we've been together forever.

Praise God. And if anybody wants to find out more about the Just Thinking podcast, go to justthinking .me, justthinking .me, and you can find out more about the podcast and the blog and everything else that you need to know about Daryl Bernard Harrison and Virgil Walker.

Black Lives Matter and the Meaning of Its Origins

Well, today, as I've already announced, we are going to be addressing a very controversial theme on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, a Christian response to Black Lives Matter and the woke movement. And our guests today, if you didn't know already, they are both black brothers in Christ, and although I don't think that is required when someone is addressing subjects like this, I know that a lot of people out there think it is, that a white person, especially alone, should never dare to address issues like these, but I don't agree with that.

But I do think that it may give an insight into these matters from a perspective that you very rarely hear in the media, especially from a Christian perspective and a black perspective simultaneously.

There are conservative pundits in the media who happen to be black who have been addressing this, but I have very rarely heard theologically sound, committed men in the Christian faith address this. So, first of all, the Black Lives Matter movement, perhaps we could start with Daryl, what do you know about the origins of this movement?

All I know is that I think that it is a, the name is a product of genius, and I don't mean that because I admire this organization, being a Marxist and dangerous organization and favor and promoting not only violence, but homosexuality and the murder of unborn children.

But what I mean by that is, it's one of those situations where, as they typically try to do in the media, is corner people to get them to say that they don't believe in Black Lives Matter, so it sounds like they're saying something racist.

It's as if a cult had started called Jesus is Lord, and to get Christians to somehow denounce Jesus is Lord, you know, because that's a wonderful statement and a true statement. But if you could, Daryl, start with what you know about the origins of this group.

Yeah, I'll be glad to, Chris. I mean, I'll just take it from the Black Lives Matter's website, at blacklivesmatter .com, in response to the acquittal earnings. And here's what I mean by that. I'm reading verbatim from the Black Lives Matter website at blacklivesmatter .com.

Black Lives Matter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin.

It turns me, initially,.

The founding of this organization violated any reality to begin with, was because the founders were indignant on which the original believers never think Black Lives Matter as an organization founded upon Christ, really about that at all.

What's brilliant about it. Are not going to take the time to study, well, what's intrinsically in this hashtag really advocating? What's this hashtag really saying? But when you drill down throughout this organization, I cannot think.

Wow, that's saying a lot.

That is saying a lot. And I don't say that flippantly. I don't say that loosely. But again, when it was founded in response to the acquittal of someone. Okay, now your feelings about the outcome of believers, God, but I think it says a lot about the founders of this organization.

They were indignant about the outcome of this trial, as opposed to starting a Black Lives Matter or whatever. Now, if that had happened, I'd give a little more credence and credibility for the organization.

But no, they're indignant that they were angry, so angry that someone was acquitted.

In fact, we have to go to our first break right now. We'll have you pick up where you left off and also have Virgil chime in. If anybody wants to join us with a question of your own our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Darrell, I don't know if there's anything that you failed to say when I had to cut you off for the station break, but if you want to pick up where you left off and then we'll have Virgil chime in with his own comments about the Black Lives Matter movement.

No, Chris.

Actually, your break was a good stopping point for me, so I'll just go ahead and hand it over to Virgil.

Okay, Virgil. Is Virgil there?

Oh, wow.

Yes.

Can you hear me now?

Yes, I can hear you now.

Good, good. Well, I think, again, most of what we do on Just Thinking is we want to go to allow them to speak about what they believe and why. And so Darrell referenced the blacklivesmatter .com website where we can run into the three co-founders, Patrisse Conn, Cullors, I believe is how you say it, Samedi.

These three women, they've admitted at one point or another during the course of an interview that they are trained Marxists. A organization like this being founded is that black lives matter on the basis of Yvonne Martin's murder.

And again, what we have here is ideology around the basis of life mattering unfavorable. They found an unfavorable outcome. And as a result, therefore, black lives then do matter. And here's how they matter.

Their ideology has mattering apart from something that has happened to them. And so that's in and of itself. You guys also mentioned the language that's used and how black lives matter because the people that they're speaking to their audience, primarily Americans who identify from a Judeo-Christian worldview to why black lives should matter.

Theirs is on the basis of the ideological on Yvonne Martin around George Floyd. It's not the idea. Bearers of God who have distinct value, dignity, and worth as we have around a Marxian that's self-hitting these ideas of course, now is not homosexuality.

Also a part of the agenda to promote this way of living. If you could call it that. And one of the reasons why that is fascinating is because for most of my life as a Christian, I have observed what seems to be the majority of black folks in the community, whether they are truly regenerate or part of the cultural black church, which tends to even vote predominantly liberal.

Even those that were known in New York City where I used to live on Long Island, New York and was keeping up very regularly on the goings on in New York and New York City when the same sex marriage bills were about to be passed.

And there was a great outcry from the black community against this, even from those that were known Democrat individuals, known to be even activists for Democratic political candidates. And yet they drew the line in the sand and said, this is not where we were going any further.

We oppose this. We think it's wrong. We believe marriage is between a man and a woman. So to me, it's interesting that this would be a part of this agenda because historically, and maybe you guys can chime in and give more clarification.

It seems that the homosexual agenda has never really been a strong part of black culture, even the liberal aspects of it.

Well, historically, in terms of black ecclesiology, one could argue that the black voices, black ministerial voices, black ecclesiastical voices, they came out vociferously against legalizing. Saying that I doubt that many people even knew that those voices.

What you have with black on their not only homosexual antagonistic climate, another state lives matter .com website and we gather, we do so with the attention intent of thinking or rather the below. Again, Black Lives Matter makes no secret of where they stand in terms of within their worldview.

And Virgil, do you have anything to add to that?

Yeah, from the very front page of their website, they say that quote, we affirm the lives of black, queer and trans folk, disabled folk, undocumented folk, folk with records, women and all the gender spectrum, our network sentencing.

And again, what they've shared, this isn't the base who man is and what he is about and why he is here. All of these are on the basis of they're establishing lives mattering on the basis, rather than on the basis of the nature of, again, what's ingenious about the hashtag recognize that there are, when they hear Black Lives Matter are operating from the Imago Dei, that men are created in the image of God and have distinct value.

They establish it on the basis of these ideas of queerness, of transness, these ideas of issues of being undocumented, living along a gender spectrum, all of these ideas that are fluid and vacuous.

The Woke Movement, Liberation Theology, and Cancel Culture

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