May 22, 2018 Show with Emilio Ramos on “Unpopular, the Movie”

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I am so delighted to have for the very first time on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Emilio Ramos, who is pastor of Heritage Grace Church in Frisco, Texas. He's also the founder of Red Grace Media and author of Convert, From Adam to Christ and Crucified, The Soul of the Gospel, and today we are going to be addressing Unpopular, the movie, and we're also going to be announcing a visit to Israel that Emilio Ramos is arranging with Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries this October, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Emilio Ramos.

It's good to be with you, Chris. Praise God, the pleasure is all mine, brother, and before we get into your personal testimony of salvation, because we try to do that every time we have a first-time guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, we like them for the first time that they're on to give their testimony in a summarized fashion, to hear the religious upbringing you had, if any, and the providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord used in your life to draw you to himself and save you, but before we do that, why don't you let our listeners know something about Heritage Grace Church of Frisco, Texas.

Heritage Grace is.

Actually my second six years, you know, we just maintain, you know, a very strong outreach with life and... Well, praise God, and we'll be giving information later on.

How you can get a hold of Heritage Grace Church of Frisco, Texas, but I will also provide you with that information now. HeritageGrace .com is their website, HeritageGrace .com, and we'll be repeating that later if you didn't have a pen or any way to write that down.

Well, now let's hear about what Red Grace Media is all about. I have a feeling, I have a feeling I know why you called it Red Grace, but I could be wrong. I'm thinking the blood of Christ, does.

That have something to do with it? No, actually, you know, Red Grace Media, some time ago, and really in the future, Grace Media is just... Great, and if anybody wants to look.

That up, you can go to RedGraceMedia .com. RedGraceMedia .com. I still like my explanation for the name Red Grace. A lot of people get that. Well, there's nothing wrong with redemptive grace either, because obviously that's all tied together with the blood of Christ.

Emilio Ramos’ Testimony and His Move Toward Reformed Theology

Well, now let's hear something about your upbringing, the religious upbringing that you have, if any, and the circumstances that the Lord providentially used in your life to draw you to Himself and save you, and not only how you were saved by His providence, mercy, and grace, but also how you came to embrace the doctrines of sovereign.

Grace. Well, no religious upbringing. She pulled out of there pretty quick. All your birthdays, or any other day of joy? Well, my father was not religious at all himself. You know, I grew up with my father drinking, you know, I thought, as a matter of fact, every family, and I think on both sides, 50 people that I could remember, and not a single to my knowledge at that time.

And so I was, you know, I had been, you know, around that time I didn't have any semblance here and there, but you know, I just immediately really read my Bible. So I had to really work at reading, and I think I dropped out of high school mentally around junior high.

I didn't do any school. He saved me when I was 19 years old, and I actually ended up getting baptized immediately after being saved. You know, very early on, you talk about, and you know, at that time I had no idea what, you know, power was a few years later.

But yeah, I, you know, in talking about the doctrines of grace, you know, obviously being brought up... Right, can even sometimes be even vehemently anti-Calvinist. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. And so I just value for what they told me, you know, for several years, and then I just kept reading, and I kept, you know, Ephesians 1, John 6, you know, all these passages, and I'm thinking, like, it wasn't until after going through Greek, actually, I was teaching Greek all the way to textual criticism, and so we we did that, and it was indeed exegetic.

Amen. How did.

Your friends and loved ones and brothers and sisters in Christ with Calvary Chapel react to your transition by the grace of God into Reformed theology? Well, you know,.

Obviously you kind of had a mix. Chapel is an interesting nomination because there are so many Calvinists at Calvary Chapel at any given moment. I think it's James White who says that nobody produces more Calvinists than Calvary Chapel.

And.

Same thing with Bob Jones University. As one friend once put it when he was asked by a former faculty member of Bob Jones University why he converted to Calvinism, because he was a student there, and why did you convert to Calvinism?

And he said, because Bob Jones University teaches the Bible. And Calvary Chapel is very Bible-centered, and God's grace takes his word, and he does.

What he wills with it. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And you know, to Calvary Chapel's credit, he baptized me, and... Oh wow. Well, he is a Calvinist now. Yeah, he knows it now. But if you think about what Chuck Smith accomplished in his life, I mean, every seven years he would teach the entire Bible, you know, and the week that he died, you know, he died on a Wednesday.

Sunday prior, he preached three services. He did that for, you know, decades. So, you know, he's to be commended, and Calvary Chapel in many ways is to be commended, but because of their emphasis, like you said, on the Bible, you know, and they just want to, you know, the inevitable conclusion that the sovereignty of God is actually taught in the Bible.

Yeah, and.

By the way, I want to make sure that I make it clear, I didn't want to sound like I was besmirching Calvary Chapel, because there's a wide range of attitudes towards Calvinism and Calvinists. They're not all, they're not all vehemently anti-Calvinist.

Some are, and probably a lot of them are, but not all of them. Some of them are very gracious. In fact, I don't know if you remember the late Peter Jeffrey, who's now in heaven for eternity, but he was a Welsh Reformed Baptist who used to make trips to the United States.

For a while, he was doing it every year, and he became a dear friend of mine. In fact, he was with my mother alone for about a half hour on her deathbed, and he gave me such great reassurance that he believed that she was saved, because my mother was Roman Catholic, and she had renounced all of the peculiar Roman Catholic things that were idolatrous, or contradiction, or in contradiction to the gospel.

But Peter was invited every year to Calvary Chapels, and on occasion, those folks, in fact I think a couple of those pastors, became Reformed and left the Calvary Chapel. But yeah, I do know that that is a phenomenon.

In fact, one person who was involved in the college that Calvary Chapel runs, he was dismissed when he became a Calvinist, and when Chuck Smith asked him, how did you become a Calvinist, he said, well you know those books in the library that were written by Calvinists?

I read them. But they are being used of the Lord to bring the lost to Christ, and they also are one of the few groups today in the 21st century that would stand alongside many within the Reformed community and fundamentalist community that oppose Roman Catholicism and reject ecumenical relationships with Roman Catholics, that is Roman Catholics who are faithful to Trent.

Yeah, no, Calvary Chapel is soundly evangelical. Well, when did you realize, and how did you realize that you had a call put upon your heart to actually be a pastor? You know,.

Honestly, I think that the hunger for my desire to communicate that to people, you know, theology, blew in my mind. It didn't take long before I was given opportunities to do that. Praise God. Well, by the way, I remember you.

Mentioning in your youth before your salvation, you were prone to hang around members of gangs and so forth. I just, I immediately remembered when I was interviewing a former member of the Latin Kings way back when I was doing my show from New York on WNYG and WGBB radio on Long Island, and this brother who was in the studio telling me his testimony of getting saved in prison after leaving the Latin Kings and actually getting married to a Christian woman in the prison by the warden, who was a Christian, but I remember telling him, I was sitting right next to him, and I said, you know, I used to be in a gang myself.

He says, really? His eyes bugged up. I said, yeah, I used to be in a gang called the Calvinist Crusaders. We used to break into Armenian churches and rewrite the words in their hymnals. But anyway, this, I'm very excited about this movie, the unpopular, or unpopular THE movie.

I've seen it. It is excellent, and I think this is going to be a helpful tool for sharing the gospel with lost family, friends, and loved ones, and also for equipping Christians on how to properly evangelize the main focal points that one should be aware of, because sometimes sometimes the Christian faith, not only for the unbeliever, but for the new believer, it can seem like a daunting task to even try to plumb the depths of a very deep religion, but there is also, obviously, very simple and simple yet powerful truths that are contained within our faith.

Obviously, the Lord by design made the gospel a simple thing to comprehend, but you have it broken up in different parts, and you have different speakers addressing each of those parts, and tell us why.

This is an obvious reason why, actually, because it's something that your average unbeliever will immediately throw in your face, and rightfully, if they're not regenerate, and they don't truly have a heart beating for Christ, it's a logical question, but the issue that James White addresses, how can I trust the Bible?

Tell us why you included that, and how, in summary, this is addressed. You're talking about the.

Video that's on the way? Yes, yes. The Bible? Yes. Yeah, well, we thought that's important, because, you know, like you said, I mean, the fan didn't know how to, so we thought we would show people, like, the lengthy, in-depth, which is about manuscript adversity of the Bible, but at the end of the day, you know, I wanted to answer.

The Bible’s Reliability and the Need for Regeneration

Yeah, there are, obviously, even biblical scholars who could recite from.

Memory, without even looking at a written word, great lengthy portions of the Bible, and they can know theology, and they may even have a mental assent to the truthfulness of it, but they could still be as damned as damned can be, as James points out in his epistle.

You can know facts, and yet have a dead, cold,.

Rock-like heart. Yeah, or you can be like the Pharisees, who seek the Scriptures.

Amen. And, you know, people, you know, it's even amazing when you hear liberal scholars, I'm not talking about your average person, who will repeat who will repeat their nonsense as best as they can remember how to repeat it, but even these people who have all kinds of degrees, and they will say that the Bible was no more reliable than ancient works of mythology, and it's not reliable and trustworthy, because they will compare it to the game of telephone, where one person whispers something into another person's ear, and then by the time it goes through a line of 10 to 20 people, the last person is repeating something that's entirely different from the first person.

So they'll try to compare things like that to the inerrant Scriptures, but even, it's interesting, as you may remember, Bart Ehrman, the former Christian who became an apostate and an agnostic, who is a textual critic, he even admitted, after kind of being backed into a corner with James White, that the the manuscript evidence that we have in an overwhelming amount of historical data that proves the authenticity that what we have is very close to the first centuries manuscripts of Scripture, they make other works of antiquity pale into insignificance as far as the reliability and the amount of archaeological data and so on.

Yeah, he's quoted as saying.

That... Yeah, well we have to go to our first break right now. If anybody would.

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And today we are addressing on Popular the Movie, and if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com. ChrisArnzen at gmail .com. Before I go to any listener questions, I just wanted to ask you something.

We who are Reformed, and it has something to do with what we were just mentioning before the break, that you can know the Bible. You might even be able to memorize the entire Bible from cover to cover.

I don't know if anybody's actually successfully done that, but even if you had that ability, that in and of itself would not save you. Do we not need as dead sinners a miracle of the Holy Spirit to work in our hearts in order for our eyes, ears, minds, and hearts to be opened and to even understand in a saving way the Scriptures in order for us to fall in love with them and embrace them?

Yeah, I was asking you a question because some people who, there have been actually some, I think, some fairly outlandish statements made by leaders in the Christian Church outside of the Reformed faith who have even dared to say, if you explain the Bible correctly and in the gospel correctly, the lost will come to Christ, and if they don't, it's really because.

You've messed up in some way. Yeah, no, of course, yeah, we believe in the three seed. That man is exactly what Scripture says that he is. He cannot remedy his own condition. I mentioned this repeatedly in the movie Unpopulant Plead, the idea that whether they're trying to emphasize human reason, whether they're trying for goodness, for people to be misguided, understanding your death-like state before God, then you won't see the need for the cross, salvation that you so desperately need to take place.

And having said that, the need for.

Regeneration for our eyes and ears and hearts and minds to truly be open to the Scripture, we still nonetheless believe in the perpiscuity of Scripture, and we believe that those things that men need to know are simple enough to understand.

Not saying that the entire Bible is easy enough for any person to fully understand on his own without teachers, because the Bible, the very Bible we are speaking about, that is God-breathed, requires that we have teachers.

But it is, by design, as far as the salvific portions of this word, it is by design, by God's design, understandable to even the average.

Person. Yeah, yeah, that's right. It is. It's an elementary thing. Anybody that has human reason, where you can... Amen. And we have one other thing that you've put in.

The list of very important topics on the website, on the unpopularthemovie .com website, you have Paul Washer addressing the sin struggle. If you could give us a.

Summary of that as well. Well, you know, the website functions in conjunction to the film. People will watch the film, and if they begin to become curious about Christianity, we thought we better talk about common questions.

You know, what if someone converts and immediately wants to know more? Well, I struggle, maybe, to do that. Then Paul Washer, go into and examine what it looks like, and you know, he's written some really helpful volumes on it to let people know, you know, we believe in the Reformed victim, right, that you are simultaneously saint and sin-born.

Again, that does not mean that there will not be indwelling sin, that you will not have to, and will have to, you will have to be putting your your sinful deeds to death.

The Christian’s Ongoing Struggle With Sin

Yeah, it's obviously the very issue, keeping the lost from Christ, and also keeping even Christians from living as obediently as they could, by the grace of God, in this life. That is a thing that has puzzled and has created debates, even amongst the body of Christ, or the members of the body of Christ, of the fact that we are, before salvation, sinners, and in fact, totally depraved, and I'm sure you would agree that that does not mean that we are as bad as we could be, but that means that every aspect of our lives is enslaved by sin, and we cannot even please God at all, even in our decisions or actions, while we are still in the flesh.

But then, when we become saved, we are called new creatures, or new creations, and the old man has died, and we have been raised to newness of life in Christ, and yet, this sin problem still plagues us.

But isn't the difference, isn't the key difference here, that the sin that a Christian is plagued with, the sin that constantly is a thorn in the Christian's flesh until he's in heaven, the sin that embarrasses him and brings him great remorse and sadness, the difference is that he is no longer enslaved to it.

Wouldn't that be.

One of the key differences, anyway? Sure, no, I'm cursed. Amen. And wouldn't you say that.

Another difference between the unregenerate sinning and the Christian sinning is that if somebody is truly regenerate, when they are conscious of a sin that they've committed, it will grieve them. Now, I'm not saying that sin never grieves the unregenerate.

It does, as even in the Scriptures, we hear that Judas repented, but he did not actually have a saving repentance. There is a remorse that can come about as an unregenerate person, but it is a guarantee for the Christian that he certainly will eventually come to grief.

And repentance over his sin. Yes, right. Now, this is also an issue that divides.

The body of Christ. Those of us who are Reformed believe in something called the perseverance and preservation of the Saints. Now, I know that there are those that profess to be Reformed that do not consistently hold to this doctrine in the way that they teach and evangelize, which brings me great sadness, but for the most part, it is an issue that historically Calvinists have believed that if you are truly a child of God, if you are born again, born from above, if you have a new heart that has been given to you by Christ, a heart of flesh that is beating with the life of the Holy Spirit, you will not live a life that is characterized by prolonged, unrepentant enslavement to sin.

Every Christian sins, but we get up by the grace and mercy of God and the power of the Holy Spirit and we dust ourselves off and we press forward in the faith, unlike what many Christians or professing Christians tell the lost when they're evangelizing them, that basically all you need to do is quote-unquote accept Jesus into your heart and then regardless of how you live for the rest of your lives, you don't have to worry about going to hell because you've made this confession of faith and accepted Jesus into your heart.

But the latter that I had just said, that's completely unbiblical in regard to the Christian who is perpetually carnal, the Christian who is unrepentant for his entire life and lives like Satan. This is not a true Christian at all, is it?

Yeah, no, because the gospel, or not the gospel, but you know, he who has been betrayed, what he means by that is a lifestyler who steals the sphere of the flame to be in the sphere. You know, even though as you mentioned that believers can, in the season of sin, commit even grievous sin, but they will at last will be kept from talking to people that, you know, that seem to have a proclivity towards one sin or the weight and the sin that so easily ensnares you.

Yes, and we also want to make sure that we are not giving the idea that we.

Are guilty of teaching the false doctrine of sinless perfection or sinless perfectionism. There are those from the camp that adheres to carnal Christianity, cheap grace, easy believism, that would say, you people believe in sinless perfectionism.

The irony is is that somebody who, in many areas, was the polar opposite of a Reformed Christian, John Wesley, he is one that believed in that, not any Reformed person that I am aware of from history, but if you could make the distinction of what we're.

Talking about. Yeah, yeah, that's right. You have to, as a matter of fact, utter deed, we fall short of the glory of God by virtue of our fallen condition and even in, you know, we are still impure. And, you know, I think those...

Questions About Fragments of Truth, Spanish Resources, and the Nature of the Church

We have some listener questions that I will go to before we come to the point where I don't have time to take them all, so I'll just start with some of them. We have Lou from Sharpsburg, Georgia, who asks, I was wondering if Emilio saw the movie Fragments of Truth.

If so, what are his thoughts? I did not. I'm not familiar with it. Oh, that is a film that Dr. White, who is a part of your film, is a part of. I have not yet seen it either. It has something to do with the manuscript evidence, I believe, that we were talking about before, hence the term Fragments.

So I guess that Emilio can't be helpful to you now, Lou, but perhaps write in again after he's seen the movie. Oh, you know what's.

Remarkable about them? He just found that out. Cool. Thanks, Lou. Keep spreading the.

Word about Iron Sharpens Iron Radio in Sharpsburg, Georgia and beyond. Let's see here. We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who asks, do you know of any excellent reformed resources in the Spanish language that I can use as evangelistic tools to those of my friends and family and neighbors who are either bilingual or who solely speak Spanish?

I would send them to my friend's.

Website. Oh yeah, Dr. Beeke is a friend of mine and I've interviewed him many times. Can you spell that? Well, if anybody emails me or you later, we could make sure we get it. Yeah, what I can do, Chris, is give you the link and maybe you can put it on.

Your notes or something. Yeah, sure. And by the way, I am assuming that you are, because of your location, you're from a Mexican background, but I don't know that for a fact, am I correct? Yeah, yeah, I am.

One of the reasons I asked is that my precious late wife was from San Torce, Puerto Rico. She was born there and her mom, obviously, was born there as well, and although she lived most of her life here in the States, but I was just curious about that.

I do have, because of that, I have a very big place in my heart for evangelism to the Hispanic or Latin American community. I mean, you never know what to say during the politically correct hysteria, how to phrase those things.

Well, you know what's.

Ironic is that when I go to Mexico to do these conferences, and he went down there as a missionary, and in about three years he became fluent in Spanish, and now he preaches, and when I go down there, he has to translate for me.

Wow. I know. But yeah, I actually speak conversational Spanish, but you know,.

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I know of their quality firsthand since Chef Exclusive catered by most recent Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastor's Luncheon. For details, call 717 -388 -3000. That's 717 -388 -3000. Or visit chefexclusive .com.

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