Daniel 7 (Con't)

Daniel 7: The Fourth Kingdom and the Little Horn

Brian, you want to turn this make sure I got. You want to open this up in a word of prayer. All right, let's open our Bible to Daniel chapter 7. And we will finish at least Daniel 7 today Lord willing.

And we'll start in verse 19 where he gives the explanation of the of the final the fourth kingdom. He says then I desire to know the exact meaning of the fourth beast which was different from all the others.

It was exceedingly dreadful with its iron teeth and its claws of bronze which devoured crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet and the meaning of the ten horns that were on its head. And the other horn which came up and before which three of them fell namely that horn which had eyes with a mouth uttering great boast which was larger in appearance than its associates and I kept looking in the horn was waging war with the Saints and overpowering them into the ancient of days came and judgment was passed in favor of the Saints of the highest one.

And the time arrived when the Saints took possession of the kingdom. Thus he said the fourth kingdom will be a I'm sorry. The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth which will be different from all the other kingdoms.

It will devour the whole earth that will tread it down and crush it. As for the ten horns out of this kingdom ten kings will arise and another will arise after them and he will be different from the previous ones and would subdue three kings.

And he will speak out against the most high and wear down the Saints of the highest one. And he will intend to to make alterations and times in the law and they will be given into his hand for a time times and a half a time.

But the court will sit for judgment. His dominion will be taken away be annihilated and destroyed forever. And the sovereignty the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the Saints of the highest one.

His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom and all the dominions will serve and obey him. And at this point of the revelation ended. And as for me Daniel my thoughts were greatly alarming. My face grew pale.

But I kept the matter to myself just before we go any further. Why would Daniel's face grow pale and him be alarmed. Does anybody have any thoughts. He did. He was encouraged. Hey there's coming another kingdom.

We're gonna be reset free the captivity in his mind. He's already understanding that at some point Babylon's over. At some point he's already got that revelation. And then he's got man these other came.

But wait a minute this things are not gonna really get better. They're gonna get worse. And he thinks like you just said he thinks about his people and he's greatly alarmed and he gets sick. He's gonna have the same situation happen later on in the book as he excuse me as he thinks about his people and he gets see he basically gets sick because he goes man this is what's this isn't how it's supposed to be.

Things are supposed to good. Yeah sure he this this right here specifically has to deal. Remember. Nobody else is hearing this. Nobody else has heard this dream. Nobody else has heard the interpretation.

This is basically the angel. God the angel. And Daniel. This is it. I mean this is direct revelation from God. He's not had to interpret somebody else's dream somebody else's vision. This is God giving this to Daniel.

And one. It is to encourage him. Okay. It doesn't encourage him to give this revelation to his people to continue to persevere. But it's to also to give the revelation that he would. They would continue to tell the people of God to turn to those do that do not follow God to turn to God.

You understand. That is the same message of the book of Revelation compromising church needs to repent turn to God turn to Christ. And to take those who are being persecuted to continue to persevere. Same message same message.

Revelation 13 and the Beast Like the Little Horn

So let's back up. And we're going to specifically deal with because he there's someone introduced in this passage that hat that was brought into earlier in the book. I mean earlier in the chapter or in seven we're talked about a little horn comes up.

Okay this is the first time. So last week we saw the little horn. I mean the son of man. This one is going to be. I will say you'll have the horn. You'll have. Let's see these come at that these four come out of this passage.

And you have four four three schools of thought. You have the preterite. You have the preterist view. You have the historicist view. You have the idealist view. This is sometimes called the spiritual view.

If any of y 'all do your own studying sometimes.

This is comes up as a spiritual and then you have the futurist view all of these.

Are in this passage and all of these are connected so I just want you to know.

They are connected so if you flip over to Revelation 13 real quick and I'll.

Just start at the beginning and read through verse 6 Revelation 13 verse 6 and just listen to the similarities now understand that this the apocalypse fits within a context. John's getting this revelation on the Isle of Patmos.

And my understanding is if you want to check and make sure that I'm what I'm saying to you is correct. If you back up to chapter 10 if you look at the remember our the chapter and verse separations are not inspired.

Men have done that to help us try to understand. But sometimes they're not in the best place. If you look at the end of chapter 10 he says he talks about getting a another another revelation. So he's got the major revelation that's coming the apocalypse.

And he says hey in verse 10 of 10 I took I'm sorry I took the little book out of the angels hand and I ate it and it was it was and put it in my mouth and it was sweet as honey. And as I begin to eat it my stomach was made bitter.

And then he said you must prophesy again. Okay he's brought. He's getting a prophecy within a prophecy. So now that sets up chapters 11 12 and 13. Okay 11 12 and 13 are a prophecy within the prophecy of revelation.

So it talks about the two witnesses. It talks about it even goes even to when Christ was born. And he's basically giving the how I understand it the time between the two advents. So then when you get to chapter 13 listen what he says.

Remember what we just read about the little horn and Daniel he said. And a dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Who will we understand the dragon. If you want to back up to chapter 12 the dragon is it clearly says it's Satan.

Okay. I mean there's no if ands or buts. The dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. And then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea having ten horns seven heads. And his horns were ten diadems. And on his heads were blasphemous names.

And the beast which I saw was like a leopard. His feet was like those was of a bear and his mouth was like that of a lion. Where have we seen those at already Daniel. And what. And what empires were those.

It was Babylon was the lion. The bear was the the the Medo-Persian. And the leopard was Alexander the Great. What would be the next one that would come. It would be the Roman Empire. And it and listen what it has.

It has these beast like qualities of them all. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain. And his fatal wound was healed.

And the whole earth was amazed and worshipped at the been worshipped the beast. They worshipped the dragon because he had given the authority of the beast. And they worshipped the beast saying who was like the beast who was able to wage war with him.

And there was one given to him a mouth that was speaking arrogant words and blasphemies and authority to act for 42 months was given to him. He opened his mouth and blasphemies against God to blasphemy.

His name is tabernacle. And those who dwell in heaven. So 42 months is if we say remember what we said about here. It is. Did it. I did it. I did it again. It won't come off. I did it. I did.

It again I smashed it on there playing with it. Remember this was a time you.

Said that was a year. Correct times. Two. Good everybody follow me half the times. Add those together. What do you get. 42 months. And if you want to keep going forward you'll see in that same little section of 11 of chapter the end of chapter 10 and the end of chapter 13 of Revelation you'll have this number come up.

It's all the same. It's all the same. All the numbers are the same. Now how we understand who this person is and Daniel is related to Revelation 13. Okay now go back to Daniel and we'll start seeing how some people think this is fulfilled and how I understand it.

And then y 'all can throw rocks at me if you want. So the Preterist view would say the little horn. And that is that has come up. That's in the fourth kingdom. What's the fourth kingdom. Just make sure we all understand what's the fourth kingdom.

Rome. So Daniel's looking forward to the Roman Empire. What are we doing. We're looking back. Okay so this would be Preterist Latin Pretair. Okay meaning in the past or already done behind. However you want to it's already done.

So the Preterist view would say that that little horn had already come. Some people believe that that little horn was you raise your hand. Did you raise your hand. Oh scratching your face. Okay a little horn is is Nero.

And I understand that I do believe that Nero is the beast of that spoken of in Revelation 13. What did he do from 64 to the time he killed himself in 68 AD he persecuted the people of God. It wasn't Roman Empire wide though.

I want you to understand that it wasn't like when Domitian comes along Domitian just if there was Christians anywhere in the Roman Empire. He he did the same things that that Nero did. Burned him dipped him in pitch impaled him on on poles and put lions put him in the Lions arena with skins on them to be eaten by animals.

Okay he did. That were Empire wide. That's not what Nero did. Nero was the first Caesar Nero. He was the first to understand that now there was a distinction between the Jews and Christianity. For a while his predecessor Claudia Claudius did not make the distinction in Rome that Judaism and Christianity were two different things.

He thought they were just a sect of one another. It was Nero that comes along and understood. Oh wow. There's a difference. And when he understood that there's a difference he could get the Jews to capitulate against the the Christians and help persecute them.

So you had to. You have two major persecutors in early Christian history. The first one would be what who persecuted the Christians. First Paul as a representative collectively of who though the Jews.

Yeah the Jews who killed who killed this first martyr. The Jews did. Sanhedrin took Stephen out stoned him because he testified before them that they were murderers. Okay. Yeah. So you had two major persecutors of the people of God.

In the beginning one was the Jewish people. As the Jewish we could just say the Sanhedrin because that's where they got the power to do that. The next one be the Roman Empire. Okay. So the preterists see first and foremost is the persecutor that the the horn could be.

Okay. This is how some of them see it. The horn could be the Herod's and the little horn is the Beast of Revelation which would have been Nero. Okay then you have the historicist view. The historicist view takes a perspective that in history you see this thing fulfilled over time.

The problem with the history when we get to Revelation disease are all views of Revelation as well. I'll get more detail. Explain. It would probably spend two weeks on these two than two weeks on it. Just so you understand.

But this model here depends on the this right here they take the twelve hundred and sixty days and say it's one day to a year. Understand. So that means their understanding. But whatever takes place in Daniel Daniel chapter 7 with the fourth kingdom and whatever takes place moving forward takes place in twelve hundred and sixty years.

And where do they get that from. They get the twelve hundred and sixty years as the one day per year that the people that the nation of Israel was walking around and remember what running wilderness wandered.

Why. For 40 days they went in. The spies went in and they came back 10 10 came back. 10 were bad. Two were good. Because of that he said I'm giving you one year per day you were in there and you came back.

That's what it that's where they get it from. I don't agree with it but that's how they come to it. The problem with this view is you run out of time. Okay this time begins with Pope Gregory and Bert.

You can correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm wrong it's around the 6th century. Pope Gregory comes around. Okay I want to make sure my dates are 6th century. Be around the 500s. You just take 500 AD at 1260.

That's gonna put you somewhere near the French Revolution. What happens. You run out of history. That's why this has strengths and understanding how it unfolded over time. But you run out of time for it to be a relevant understanding moving forward.

Everybody about have lost anybody yet. Okay all right. Just make sure the I. So the historicist view sees this as the Roman Empire. Okay as the Roman Empire fell it fell in 476. It was sacked in 476 I think AD once it was sacked you had some factions road.

Then you had the Holy Roman Empire. Come up. The historicist view if you read Matthew Henry I think it's pool. Think of some of the others. Maybe Gil. Maybe. No. Who else would be a historicist in that time.

Sure. Okay that'd be easy way doing it. Yeah. Any your name any of your 18th century. Actually any of your reformers up until the the 18th century would have held this position. All of them read all your commentaries.

Every one of them holds that position and that's why they saw the Pope. It's in the Confessions you take Westminster Confession of Faith. I think it's chapter 26 paragraph 4. You look at it. It actually explicitly names the Pope as the Antichrist.

The London Baptist Confession 1689. It explicitly I think that's in I'm sorry it would have been London. It would have been the Westminster Confession of Faith chapter 24. And then the London Baptist Confession I'm sorry is 20 is 26 same thing.

Just so you know the London Baptist Confession and a Westminster Confession of Faith are almost a carbon copy of one another. Just to let you know one's a Presbyterian document. One's a one is a Baptist document.

They're all. I mean if you put them side-by-side there's very little difference. Okay so they see it as the Pope over the course of time but run out of time. In the seven late 1700s with the French Revolution the idealist approach sees this little raising itself up over time every day.

It's similar to this except it doesn't have a starting and ending point. Y 'all follow me. This doesn't have a starting and ending point. It goes on until Christ comes. So you can always look through.

I really do I really do like this. Okay I do like this because as we look at when we do get to Revelation and we look at how the book how to understand it I understand it primarily a speaking of the fall of Jerusalem and the fall of Rome.

Okay that's how I understand it primarily though Jerusalem of Jerusalem and the the Jewish culture and all of that. But the idealist approach says hey this is going to happen over time. So let's just take for instance if the little horn was the Beast of Revelation.

Okay I'm the little horn Beast of Revelation is Nero. He raises himself up and that generation. He persecutes the people of God. He kills himself in 68. That's when all the Jewish wars break out. There's absolute chaos in the in the whole Roman Empire.

Vespasian brings some order to it him and Titus. When Titus dies Nerva comes along after Nerva. It's Domitian. Domitian raises himself up. He makes Emperor. Wide Empire wide persecution. What does it say that this person does.

It raises itself up speaks against the people of God persecutes the people. God makes war with the Saints. What did Nero do. What did Nero do. He made war with the Saints. What did Domitian do. May war with the Saints.

What did every Pope from the time of Gregory moving forward with the people of God. Do you know that the Catholic the the Roman Catholic Church has put more people to death until the 19th century than any other people to persecuted God's people.

You know that that should make your jaw drop. These are people that claim to be followers of Christ. They burned more people at the stake. They drownded more people under the Inquisition's and all of that.

So from a his from a historicist perspective you could see how they thought the Pope was the Antichrist one. The Pope claims to be who God himself and it stands himself. And they do have a the understanding of that where it says in the second Thessalonians 2 passage where it says it stands himself up in the temple of God claiming himself to be God.

They understood that as being in the church. And I do too. Ok. It's Paul's understood Paul. He says temple. He's speaking of the the church not actual structure. So they understood that and I and that is true.

You just run out of time. But the idealist perspective says hey there's going to be people that raise himself up over every generation and you'll be able to look back and this person will be a a type of or shadow of that little horn.

So let's think of in today think of we'll just take in our generation. Or in Jack's generation. Okay. No just who would we have saw someone that persecuted God's people in Jack's generation. Soviet Union.

Yeah. Any any type of communist. Why. Because who's the the communist. The communist government movement. Who's God. The state is. And we get the revelation. And you see the beast. One comes up out of the sea and one comes up out of the land.

Okay the one that comes up out of the sea is an individual. One that comes up out of the land is the governmental structure. So you have a person that then like you said the government and that they want to come together to worship the beast.

Well the beast is a governmental Empire structure. We know that from what. From what Daniel has already told us. So through every generation we could even say in our generation who do we see out there in the last 20 years that has persecuted God's people.

And we could say that person could be a little horn the nutbag over there in North Korea he claims to be God. Rocket man. Okay they do. Yes. He claims to be God. He is an emperor. You have to have his picture up in your home.

And if you don't did he's persecuting Christians. GG ping. Okay. China. Same thing there once again the communist government. We're the ones that can save you. We're here to help you. We're the best for you.

GG ping. You have to have you pay the state registered Church Christian Church over there. Okay. Quote. They don't care if you worship God. But you got to have a picture of GG ping in there too. You see the compromise.

You see the compromise. Okay so we see that this is a good application. Okay of these texts it's not the meaning of it but it is the application. And that's how I understand revelation to revelation is a predator.

It's happened in the past primarily all that's happened in the past. But if we want to look at how we're going to apply that book man we can see the persecution of God's people through it just like Daniel 7 we can see the persecution of God's people.

We can see how God's going to constantly raise up people that are going to persecute God's people. And they're going to they're going to speak blasphemies against God from every generation until he returns.

The Futurist View, the Man of Lawlessness, and Antichrist

Okay now the futurist view which is probably what most everybody in this room had grown up on. It's normally there's a few brands of it but by primarily it's understood as dispensational eschatology meaning everything that we just read and jank Daniel chapter 7 9 19 on ain't happened yet.

Well what relevance would it have been to God's people if it if it has not happened or was not going to happen soon it was irrelevant. So if to say that everything moves forward what they have to do is take the fourth kingdom which is Rome.

It fell in 476 and Burt you taught this. Probably. So just make sure represented it correctly. They fell in 476. At some point in the future there will be this revived Roman Empire. Ten Confederate States.

At least that's. Is that at least a summary. Is that. Okay. Is that it. That's. I'll make sure. Okay. Yeah. Confederate States. Okay. Yeah. So and how they come to that conclusion is the ten horns have to represent ten ten nations.

Okay. Well that didn't work because there was never ten nations. There was never ten even Providence's. So even if you took. Okay we're going to take the ten Providence's and I guess we could see it here if I can pull that over here even when they had the ten Providence's of or Providence's of the Roman Empire at the time of 70 AD.

Okay they're really there still was 12. Okay. So if you took Egypt and you y 'all can't see this map and you followed it all the way around to where modern-day Istanbul old Constantinople just before you get to Thrace and Belgium there was 12 Providence's in there.

Okay that were ruled by procurators. Not 10 but they combined the two to make it work. Same thing they did and I John MacArthur has done a lot for for inerrancy of scripture and all that. But I just I went back of it.

It's probably been a couple months ago. I went back. I said I want to know what he what. Because everybody leans on his shoulders that are dispensational. So I want to know what he said about Daniel 7.

You know he he talked about the Confederate. All this was gonna happen. There's gonna be revived Roman Empire. This isn't a listen. The last time he posted anything. Okay 1984. I think I'm tell you why.

I think he last time he did it good but because he made a huge mistake he preached a sermon said that the ten nations were fixing to come together that week there was gonna be ten ten step. I busted out laughing when it happened.

Listen to it. And then what happened two days later after he preached that sermon then didn't did wasn't in and wind up being 12 and threw the whole thing out of whack. He never preached another sermon about that ever again.

Okay now listen as he preaches it's not been recorded. You can go on grace to you. And you can look 1984 was the last time he preached anything about this. That's called newspaper exegesis. You don't look.

I started getting phone calls and text messages yesterday when Israel started getting missiles launched at him. Is this battle of Gog and Magog. What's gonna happen. Is this the end is it's a battle of Armageddon.

No we don't look at it that way because we're see everything because it's embedded into our our culture American culture that everything is in the future. We think that every time something crazy happens over in the Middle East.

Oh my goodness biblical prophecy is being fulfilled. Just like they said. Okay. Well I remember one guy saying you know you used to be prophecy today used to come away radio and when I'd be working on Saturdays it would come on.

It was Russia. And this and Russia that and everything is lining up just the way it was. Well then they had an election that puts Putin out for that time. I don't know if you remember that pushed him out and he came back in next week and said yep.

It's still just like God said it was going to be lining up. Wait a minute. The Soviet Union has fought is falling. You just said that they were that that this was the way it was supposed to be. Now there's been this complete flip.

And you're saying yep. It's just like it says in the Bible. So think about the futurist view. You can never be wrong serious. We making joke. But you all you have to do is go. It ain't happened yet. That's all you got to do.

Just tweak your times tweak your dates. We'll keep dying. Don't keep moving the bar. And we don't really know what's going to happen. That's not a good way of passages. Okay. Do I believe that there is a future application to what's being said here.

Yes. That's why I have these up here. The horn points to the Beast of Revelation. Okay. The horn of Daniel 7 points to the Beast of Revelation. How do we know that. Because both of them do the same thing.

Both of them are within the Roman Empire. Do we all agree. Yes. Yeah. Have I lost anybody yet. No. Okay. These are in the Roman. Both of these are in the Roman Empire. In the time that Paul begins to tell Thessalonica his first letter was about the day of the Lord.

Remember they thought the day of the Lord had already come. And he's saying no no no no no no no no no. Don't let those people misread you. This is not happen. It's not going to happen. He's right. Second letter saying hey it's not going to happen until first you see the apostasy.

And this man appears. He says this has to happen first. Now this too could be clearly seen by some in history. Some people believe that some full preterist believe that the man of lawlessness full preterist I say not partial full preterist say this was either John Giskella because he did stand up in the temple of God claiming himself to be God made himself sovereign monarch.

Okay. He did say he he did that Helen. But they say that also could be Nero. Okay. That's not the position that I hold. Okay. I believe this is a future man down the road. Because Paul says until these things happen.

He doesn't say if you go back and read to second Thessalonians 2 pass. He doesn't say like Jesus said when you see if Jesus when Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation he was speaking to a group of people that hey you're going to see this in your life.

That's not what Paul does. Paul says in second Thessalonians these things must take place before the end comes. Before the day of the Lord comes. And one of those is gonna be the great apostasy. And this man appears.

And whatever's restraining him has to be taken out of the way. Now this here believes that what was restrained and demand of lawlessness was a Roman Empire. Because in the Roman Empire who raised it who came up the Pope.

Yeah. That's how they understand it. Okay now the futurist view says that these two men are the same. Okay. The demand of lawlessness and the Antichrist are the same. You know the Bible only uses Antichrist three times.

None of them didn't Daniel and none of his in Revelation. It's in John John's small epistles. And what's connected to Antichrist now. I'm not saying that Antichrist does not go out first. You guys people so understand saying it always has to do with false doctrine always has to do with false doctrine.

Now I know the left-behind series and all that all that nonsense theological fiction whatever you want to call it makes this man he's gonna set himself up to be worshipped as God and all of that. I don't I could be wrong.

I don't think that. That's the idea that that John's talking about it has to be doctrine. If you go back and you read and the second epistle in the first of the first John I think it's 218 219 somewhere on there it says many Antichrist have come into the world.

But an Antichrist is coming. Okay the article definite article. Many have come. But then what. The Antichrist will come. So there is going to be someone that will come along and teach full doctrine contrary to what Jesus to Jesus is deity.

Is it these same men. I don't know. Okay. I'm not. I'm not ready to make that argument today because I got seven minutes. Okay. But I do believe there is a connection the man of lawlessness comes along.

He claims himself to be God. Right. That's what's that Thessalonians says claims himself to be God sets himself up in the people of God to be worshipped. So by default we would say he opposes Christ. Right.

So we can make this connection. Not sure if it's the same person yet. Okay we'll we'll get that next year when we get the revelation. So these are connected because they have same qualities. Do you remember early on I said you have what's called a prophetic trajectory or motif that when we see these have these things there is a pattern being set that there's going to once I said through the idealist way of applying this text there is going to be someone in every generation that's going to raise itself up to persecute the people of God.

It's going to want to be worshiped. It's going to be that way. Okay. The reason why I've taught it this way because this hasn't been verse by verse like we did the last chapter is because you if we don't understand the model that's been set up for this little horn I don't think you're really going to get the grasp of what happens in the next chapter.

This man appears again. But he doesn't appear in the fourth kingdom appears in the third. Okay. So you see there's a pattern it's going to be one that every generation every generation is going to set itself up to be to be worshipped.

And it's going to persecute the people of God. Okay. Any questions comments outburst anger letters. Editor Roger. Demonstration. John also says there's a constant spirit of Antichrist. Yeah. Just keeps going.

The Spirit of Antichrist in False Doctrine and Persecution

Yeah. And because it was always attacking Jesus's deity. I mean look at we'll just take the spirit of. And if we're going to talk about the spirit of Antichrist Mormons are they a spirit of Antichrist.

Okay. Hey man they ain't got horns on their head. They ain't walking around wanting to drag the people of God off and quarter them cut their heads off like Isis. They're not doing that. But what are they teaching.

They're teaching that Jesus was a sinner. Y 'all know that. That's what Mormonism teaches. You can look at their doctrine on their graph. Jesus was a sinner just like you. He climbed up the ladder of grace.

Problem with that is grace ain't a ladder. If you're climbing up something you're working for it. Grace is not great. If you have to earn it Jesus then earned his deity that. That's not. That's not me making this up.

You can go right to Mormon to Latter-day Saints. And that's exactly what it teaches from their website. Okay. He was a sure Moroni and all that nonsense. Correct. You can be a God yourself. That's why they believe in polygamy.

Because the man has to populate his own planet. It's a perversion. It's all that great. Think about Jehovah's Witness. What do they. What do they teach about God. I mean about Christ he created being.

That's right. Is Jesus created being. No. He's the creator of all things it was by him and through him were all things created. And nothing that was created wasn't created. I mean was created by him. That's it.

That's not what they believe. They don't believe that Jesus is God. They don't believe in Trinitarian theology. They believe in Unitarian theology. Okay. What about Islam. What do they teach about Christ prophet.

I will say this though. And you might remember this when we were in London. Most most Muslims when you ask them what is Jesus dead. Either they don't give you an answer. Or they don't know. You know Jesus even under even under Islamic teaching.

Jesus didn't die. Jesus didn't die. Jesus is alive today. If you were to ask them is Jesus a sinner. You know what they would tell you. No Jesus is not a sinner. He lived a perfect life. Okay. But is Jesus God.

No. That's why they hate Christianity. Because they because God would in no this is under their their understanding of Allah. God in no way shape form or fashion needs help from any man. He can do it on his own.

He doesn't need him. Doesn't need any agent. Okay. Well I would agree with that to a certain degree. Does God need anything. No. But God chose to send the second person of the Trinity into the world to redeem sinners.

Okay. And then once Jesus accomplished that he ascended on high he then sent forth the spirit of the same substance to go out and to and to regenerate and to seal us until the day of redemption. They don't.

That's not how they understand it. Therefore they are an Antichrist. They teach against the doctrine that Jesus is God. You want to see what any type of Antichrist teaching is in any other religion. What do they believe about Jesus.

And it's it's the spirit of Antichrist. Now there's one that we don't know. What all that doctrine is going to look like at the end of the age when this happens. I do. Believe there will be a a person.

That will. There will.

Be someone oh sure if you read the Reformers you because you know what we.

Can look in history and go we understand what they were going through. We can see how they came to that conclusion. Yeah I would say he is I would even say today he is a a Antichrist. He is. There's no doubt.

I would tell Francis to his face you don't believe in the atoning work of Christ. You know why. Because you continually represent the bloody sacrifice in the mass. You know that's what. That's what it is.

I do a lot of work for the Catholic Church. Every time I get an opportunity to talk to one of them dudes with backwards collar I go hey man right here in your take their catechism open it up. What does that say.