The Gender Anarchy Downgrade

We have a lot to get to today, and it's a beautiful day outside where I am. It's just wonderful weather. The turn happened last night. For those who don't know, if you live in probably anywhere on the latitude that I live, in upstate New York, you feel the turn.

I didn't feel this as much when I was in Virginia and North Carolina. It was more gradual. In New York, when fall comes, it's still summer. During the day, it's still summer, but you can tell it's different.

The air is crisper. It's clear. It's cooler at night. The leaves are starting to change. It's a wonderful time of year. I felt the turn last night, and I get excited when I see that. There's so many good things that happen in the fall.

This is hunting season. I think it's the best hiking season to some extent. It's absolutely gorgeous when the leaves start turning colors, which reminds me. We have an Adirondack Men's Retreat. Link is in the info section, October 28th through 30th.

If you want to come, I would encourage you to come on out to that. Information is on that link. You can email me questions if you have them. We've got people coming in from all over the country, flying into Albany and New York City, and we're arranging rides.

It's great. Come on out for that. Anyway, it's great during this time of year. I'm going to admit to you something. I've taken it a little bit easier this week than I have most other weeks of the year.

Just a little bit. Yesterday, I went fishing. Probably the first time I've been fishing in five years or four years. It's been a long time since I've been fishing. I went out with my brother and my dad.

My brother had a cabin he was renting in Massachusetts for a week for their family. We had a good time, caught some bass. I, of course, for those who are interested in this kind of thing, I have my typical setup as a Gamakatsu hook and Yamamoto worms.

I've been doing that since I was in high school. In high school, during the summer, I could spend four or five days fishing, and you'd spend four or five hours fishing during those days. I love fishing.

I did a bunch of things. I tried some spinner, a spinner. I tried some crankbaits and stuff. This was what ended up working. I threw my Jumbo Gred Yamamoto worm in the water. It was after lunch. We had been out for breakfast.

I didn't catch one thing. After lunch, I threw it in and it was like, I don't know, within the first three casts.

Or so.

I get this bass, this big bass. Now, most of the time, people exaggerate the weight of fish that they catch. I didn't have a scale with me, but I've measured so many fish. It's probably three, three and a half pounds.

Most people would probably look at it and say, that's got to be six pounds. It's not. It's probably three and a half, at most three and a half. I thought I've had the big fish for the day. I kind of joked about it that we should just evaluate based on the size of the fish.

My dad and my brother were using bobbers and worms, because especially my dad likes to eat panfish more, so pumpkin seeds and sunfish and that kind of thing. I go for the bass. I like the big splashes on the water and all that.

I probably caught six of them. My dad, though, towards the end of the day, with his little worm, ended up catching the largest bass. We compared them and his was just slightly larger. I didn't even quite win that one.

We fried them up last night, and that was fun. The day before, I went out. First ever time I've ever done a long ride on a road bike. For those who care about this kind of thing, I felt VR, I think it's VR 60.

It was amazing. It was like a knife through butter going up some of these hills. I did a 65-mile bike ride and went up into the mountains a little bit. The elevation gain was almost 3 ,000 feet. It was quite a grueling ride for someone who doesn't really do it much, but I've been doing enough mountain biking or enough cycling on a mountain bike that I've been able to work up to the point that that doesn't completely kill me.

My knee was hurting a little by the end of that. It was great, though. I'm looking forward to maybe once a week taking a five-hour bike ride just to clear my head. I do a lot of thinking when I'm on those kinds of things.

That brings me to something I wanted to talk about before we get to some of the topics today because I mentioned two programs ago I was going to talk about this, and then it slipped my mind. Before it slips my mind, I want to let you know about something I've taken some practical steps toward.

The way that I've been running the podcast, I do most of the work. The vast majority of stuff, well, podcast stuff is all me, but a lot of it is taking time to go through material that oftentimes people send me.

Most stuff is listener-generated. I would say a lot of stuff. Some things are things that I specifically want to talk about because I see them and I see that we need to talk about it. It's practical.

It's necessary, but it's error. I've got my head in error a lot of the time, and I know that there's dangers when it comes to that. If I was thinking about Mormonism on a consistent basis, I would want to make sure that I'm balancing that with other things that are positive, that are truthful, Philippians 4 .8.

I've been thinking, not just for me, but just for you as well, this podcast is a supplement. It's not a multivitamin, but I've thought about what positive things can we do on this podcast that will be supplemental.

Because I think, here's how I view a lot of the people out there listening. You know where to go for good Bible exegesis. To understand what the Bible says, there's resources. For those listening to this podcast, I know there's a lot of bad stuff out there, but I think if you're attracted to this podcast, you probably, most of you at least, you have good Bible teaching.

The thing I think that's lacking a lot in Evangelicalism, and there's probably more than one thing, but this is one of the things I've noticed, is an ability to interpret the signs and the times, and I don't mean that eschatologically, I mean the context in which we live, understanding it.

Let me give you a quick example of this, and I'm talking about conservative Evangelicalism, not the woke stuff. Carl Truman's book, Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self. I had weird thoughts or feelings about that, and I couldn't put my finger quite on it, but as I thought about it more, and as I mulled it over in the days afterward, I did a whole podcast on this, so you can go back and look if you don't know what I'm talking about, but I was able to locate some things that just didn't seem to square with the world that we're living in.

That's really how this was reversed engineered from my perspective, and one of the big ones was it doesn't seem to address the issues with the BLM type issues. It seems like it might fit the sexual anarchy that we're in, but it doesn't seem to fit the BLM stuff, and why is that?

What's a paradigm that makes sense of how we view ourselves with all the available information out there, not just coming from the LGBT lobby? Really the main thing that Truman, as I explained in that podcast, missed was the whole concept that race and sex or gender are social constructs in the mind of the ruling elites, that these are not actually rooted in objective reality.

There's no category for them, this higher kind of form or telos or design that God's given them. They're just a product of society itself, and once you understand that, things start making real sense, I think, and it makes sense of not just the gender confusion, but also the identity when it comes to ethnicity and probably other categories, if everything's just socially constructed, and that's what Carl Truman seems to miss, and it's a major miss, to be honest with you.

At first, I thought, well, it's a good book, and the more I thought about it, I thought, you know what? This isn't really that good of a book if it's not practical for the people you're actually writing to, and that's how it's being passed off.

This is so practical and so helpful, and so if you misdiagnose the problem, even if you identify some of the problems, but you misdiagnose them and you don't give the—it's going to impact the solution you give.

So anyway, without reinventing the wheel and giving a podcast I already gave you, that's just one example among, I think, many where I've heard, and I don't talk about it much, but I've heard non-woke, so anti-social justice sometimes, even pastors and thinkers who just miss the context we're living in for some reason.

They attribute it to weird stuff, too, in my opinion, sometimes. They attribute the woke stuff to something else that doesn't really make sense of it, and I've seen a lot of—I'm not saying pragmatism doesn't factor into what's going on today, but I've seen, honestly, some unusual threads on social media from conservatives where they just attribute everything that's happening currently to it's just pragmatism, and it's an oversimplification is what it is.

We talked, what, last week or two weeks ago about a gentleman on a conservative talk show essentially attributing transgenderism to Baptist theology, that this is the outworking of Baptist theology. There's a lot of examples of this kind of thing that I don't talk about, but that are out there, and I thought, well, what can be helpful?

Not to do what I normally have done, which is to go out and you play the clips, or you talk about the books, here's the quotes, and then I kind of rip into them, and I show you this is what the Bible says, this is what just reality is, these are the times we're living in, and here's your primary sources, and rather than doing that, which is necessary to do, I thought, I really want to help give conservative Christians who already know where to go for good Bible teaching some books, some resources that I think help us apply that Bible teaching.

So understanding the world we live in so that we can take these biblical principles and then we know how to apply them. If you don't know the world you're living in or the context you're in, it makes it very difficult to apply what the Bible teaches, alright?

So there's a number of ideas I've had. This is one of them. There's another one. I'll just let you in on a few others that I haven't taken practical steps towards, but I want to do. I'm probably thinking of doing this possibly in conjunction with the church I attend, but like a monthly men's, kind of a hero kind of project where we talk about godly men of the past, and we especially forgotten godly men, and we do bio sketches, and that would be like a men's study kind of thing.

I've thought about doing that, and that might be something for next year to take some practical steps using the podcast to do this. These are positive things. These aren't negatively approaching. Something is very positive.

Here's someone to emulate. Here's someone who can be a role model, that kind of thing. So that's one of them. I thought about doing Bible studies, maybe like a weekly, like we're going to go through a book or something, and that might be something too, but because this program is supplemental, and because I think so many of you know where to go to get good Bible exegesis, I've wanted to do something different, a little outside the box.

So, I have talked to my brother and my dad, and my dad's a pastor. He's got an MDiv, and he's preached for, he's been at the same church now for well over 30 years, and then my brother's in educational field and literature, and that kind of thing.

I was talking to them. I was thinking, well, this could be a good thing where we could have some book discussions because we all understand each other very well, because we're part of the same family, obviously, and we bring something else, different things to the table, and we can talk about some books that I really want conservative Christians to be familiar with.

So here's one of them, and there's a number of these on my list, but here's one I thought we would possibly start with. It's by Richard Weaver. It's called Ideas Have Consequences. Some of you have heard of this, but it is one of those books that I just wish everyone.

Would read.

I just do. It's impacted me so much, and the way I analyze things, I think, has been greatly affected by this book, and if you read it, it's written, I think, in the late 40s. I think it's just post-World War II, 1948, but it reads like, it's so applicable to our.

Time.

And so I'm going to do a series, or at least one podcast. I don't know how we're going to do it yet. It might be a long podcast, or it might just be a few podcasts, but we'll just film ourselves talking about it, and it'll be kind of like a book club thing.

So that's one thing I wanted to let you guys know about, in case anyone else wants to go get that book and read it, but there's a number of books I have on this list, and I think the vast majority are going to be books.

Even if you go to a Bible-preaching, believing church, you're not going to know about this, because these are more, these aren't about the Bible. These are about understanding the times in which we live, but it's helped me so much to be able to take biblical principles and apply them.

So I hope that makes sense to everyone. I hope that's something that excites you all. Not going to stop doing some of the analyses of other social justice errors, but I think doing something positive, the building stage, okay?

That's what I'm thinking about. We have to, the dust is settling. There's still a lot of people that don't know about the errors of their denomination, organization, evangelical group they're in. We'll still expose, but I think it's time for some rebuilding.

It's time for some real analyzing, serious analyzing the situation that's before us. Serious analysis, not surface level stuff. So that's one of the things that I hope, and none of that was meant to be critical against other conservative Christians who don't read some of the same books I read, by the way.

It's not my intention at all. It's just, if anything, it's the opposite. It's let's introduce, and maybe along the way, you'll introduce things to me. It won't just be me introducing things to you. Maybe I'll get some recommendations from you for, this is a really important book, but we're going to stick to some classics.

I wanted to start off with some, I don't mean classical literature, I mean like conservative classics. So paleo-conservative classic analyses of Western civilization. This is going to be the first one.

There's a number of others. Maybe we'll do some Russell Kirk stuff and some Roger Scruton stuff and some, I don't know where we'll take it completely, but there's a lot. So I just want to let you know about that.

Revoice, Gender Anarchy, and the Slippery Slope of Definitions

Let's start the program off with this. I'm going to play for you a clip and I'm going to, I'll tell you who these people are afterward, but there's an interviewer, of course, and then there's the interviewee and the interviewee, let's just say, has some confusion on gender.

And so I want you to hear this and then I'm going to let you in on where this person is speaking and what it says about kind of the direction of the PCA and evangelicalism or the implications for the direction of the PCA and evangelicalism in particular.

Here is the clip.

For me, why I say I'm non-binary, and I hate to like keep beating a dead horse on this, but I specifically say this for me. I'm not trying to prescribe it on anybody else. If I were to say it came completely naturally to me, and when I say natural, I mean as natural as like picking up a pencil with my right hand, kind of natural, I would have transitioned to male by this point in my life.

I feel like God is telling me not to transition, that that's just not part of my story right.

Now.

But when I hear she and her pronouns, or if I'm like dressing super effeminately, that causes me to want to self-harm. And so for me, being non-binary is my way of following God to the best of my ability, albeit imperfectly, which all of us are following Christ imperfectly, if we're really honest with ourselves.

It's me following Christ to the best of my ability with my gender identity.

Okay, yeah. So yeah, so your pronouns, they, them, it's taken me a while. I feel like I'm, for the most part, I'm getting them.

So when we look at between she and he, there's one letter difference in S, right? So forget, I understand they is complex, and we can talk about that again in a minute. But if you're just looking about between she and he, that's the difference of one letter.

And you're telling somebody that their life is not worth dropping one letter. I don't know how we can missiologically look at how Christ stood and say your life is not worth that one letter.

Is there anything that does minimize it, relieves it, that you've found? And again, just your personal story. I mean, I've heard other people describe certain things.

Yeah.

So for me, it's short hair, short purple hair right now. You know, I typically am wearing, you know, guys' clothes. And that, that helps me. You know, it's...

I wouldn't say you're wearing guys' clothes, because there's a lot of clothing's gender neutral largely, right? I mean, I don't...

From men's stores.

Oh, okay.

To say that.

I mean, yeah, like, literally the only female thing on me, on my body right now is my bra. I mean, like, everything else is male. And it's TMI, probably, but I just don't really love that line.

Steal, general, there's no such thing as TMI on this show.

But you know, so, but here's another thing where I just want to call how we are societally biased. If I were to walk down the street right now, just because, you know, this is kind of a teal shirt, you know, people aren't going to look at which way the buttons are to figure out that this, you know, is a guy's shirt.

You know, for the most part, people aren't going to figure that out. But if I were a trans woman, and I were walking down the street in a blouse, you better believe people are going to call me on it. And there are even pastors who would call a trans woman on that who wouldn't call me on what I'm wearing.

And so there isn't consistency, there isn't equity. Back in April, there was a trans man that was stabbed to death. You know, and these are just horrific, horrific stories of how people were treated. There was one in California, they don't even know, they can't, they can't put a specific date on it, because of it being in the water and the decomposition of the body.

You know, it's just, surely we can get behind protecting people from being brutally murdered.

What's the solution? Like what's not happening that's allowing this, would you say? Like how would a Christian get behind reducing that?

So here's the thing, it's going to take a huge societal shift. And that starts with using pronouns, using chosen names. So when we start to normalize these experiences, so by leading with, hi, my name is blah, blah, blah, and my pronouns are.

If you as a cis person say that, then you're normalizing it in society so that it's not making the trans person seem quite so over there and quite so different and so othered. You know, and as trans people, we are, you know, a marginalized people group, a marginalization of a marginalization of a marginalization.

Now for those of you who were watching, you know who these people are because I put, when I chopped up the video and made clips, I put their names on the video reel there. So Preston Sprinkle is the one doing the interview and his organization has frankly pushed a lot of the sexual anarchy into Christian circles.

And then more importantly for our purposes, Leslie Hudson Reynolds is the one who is the interviewee. Now, why is that important? Well, Leslie Hudson Reynolds is going to be speaking at a conference soon and I will show.

You.

Here's Leslie Hudson Reynolds. Here's her, her bio on the conference website says she's the director of donor relations as well as a posture shifts, posture shifts, that's her organization, a resident at the gender identity and a gender identity expert.

They also assist the president in managing guiding families direct care for transgender young people and their families. So posture shift is the organization she's with and they uses the preferred pronouns on this conference website.

They recently began pursuing their MDiv while it's obviously talking about, it's talking about a her. It's not about she, it's not about Leslie Hudson Reynolds, but it says they recently began pursuing their MDiv.

And Leslie lives in Tennessee and is a huge New England's Patriots fan. I don't know how that works out, but so this is Leslie Hudson Reynolds. The conference is Revoice, Revoice 22. This is coming up October 6th through 8th and it's being hosted at Chase Oaks Church in Plano, Texas.

Now, of course, Revoice started in the Missouri Presbytery, I believe, in the PCA, Greg Johnson, of course, the big name kind of behind Revoice, hosting it and everything. And of course, here's some of the other participants, you got Nate Collins here, who we've talked about before, went to Southern Seminary and worked at Southern Seminary for a bit.

And then some of these people we've, Greg Johnson right here, we've talked about some of them we haven't. I know Greg Coles is on this list. We've definitely talked about Greg Coles' book, Single Gay Christian, Wesley Hill, I think I've mentioned before.

So some of these we recognize, but I did not recognize, I did not know who Leslie Hudson Reynolds was, but I believe, I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time Revoice, their conference has had, has used these preferred pronouns in the bio sketch of one of their speakers and had someone who's pushing the envelope as far as Leslie Hudson Reynolds is.

This, and Revoice has been a mess, I think, from the beginning, but it's becoming more of a mess. And that's the point that I wanted to make. It's becoming worse. There is a, there is a slope downward.

And some, some say that they'll call if you, if you sound the alarm and say, this leads to sexual anarchy, right? Classic is gay marriage is going to lead to the whole concept of marriage is going to be devalued.

And we're going to have all kinds of other arrangements eventually that are going to pass for marriage. And the argument was, that's just a slippery slope. That's a fallacy. Well, it's, it's, it's actually not, not, not that particular argument, at least because the whole idea was if you, the basis on which people were arguing for gay marriage was the complete destruction of the definition of marriage.

That was the whole basis of it. The whole logic behind same-sex marriage was we're going to throw out the definition with nothing to replace it except our arbitrary whim. So when people would say, well, why can't it be three people?

Why does it have to be two people? Just because, right? There really isn't anything rooted in an objective reality. It's just our whim because guess what? It's all a social construct anyway. It's what serves our social purposes.

Churches have gone this direction too. I was talking to my dad about this the other day. And I think for a lot of the people who say, oh, it's just pragmatism out there. There's some truth to it, but they're missing something.

And one of the things I think that that's being missed here is that when the seeker sensitive kind of era, the 90s seeker sensitive church or early 2000s, it is different in this sense. That was very focused on individuals.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't a focus on individuals, but it was very, whatever you.

Want.

It was appealing to you as an individual. Nowadays, and I saw this when I was at Southeastern, the new emphasis that churches are supposed to have that are hip and trendy and all that is they are supposed to be, they're community organizations.

They're supposed to be, the programs aren't just for you, it's to benefit the community. And so it's become more and more, as our society has become more and more focused on the social social benefits, the social implications of decisions and organizations and actions.

So have gone the churches, that the churches exist as their function is to assist in the evolution of society, to make society better, to make the world a better place, to, um, for the corporate body, the community, whatever it is, the global community now they're saying, which is like kind of an oxymoron, uh, they're, they're trying to show that the church fits into this, this new, um, hierarchy that's emerging.

And it has a place because it's going to be to, to assist in greater equality and diversity and inclusion. And, and it's going to be an asset to one's local and global community.

Right.

And, and this, I would agree makes you feel good. If you're a young progressive, especially it makes you feel like you're part of something bigger and I got it. So, so there is a tie between the two, but they're not the same.

It's not all about you. In fact, you'll hear more progressive minded, social justice activists, Christians and evangelical circles say that kind of thing. Like it's not all about you, you know, you need to think about your world.

And of course it's all the leftist analyses and solutions, but, uh, where was I going with that? So with this, um, with this particular organization, Revoice, they are taking a step downward. They, they, they're, as the culture moves in this direction and, or as society has moved in this direction and the elites in society have decided that greater sexual anarchy actually means more equality.

And that's the telos, that's the goal. That's the purpose of society itself because society that's, that's the classic progressive mindset of society has this function, it has this purpose. We're going somewhere, right?

It's not just, uh, it's a stagecoach, not a farm. It's not, we're not just trying to live and get by in a broken, sinful world, uh, and do the best we can. And yeah, that's going to get a little dirty, you know, but we're on the farm, you know, we can enjoy life here.

It's the stagecoach. It's, we are, we have a goal, we're going there as fast as we can. And the progressive churches want to be horses on the stagecoach, like we're going to help pull with you, right?

We're going to make it easier for you to accomplish school and equality or equity is the word they use now, you know, that this is social equity is one of these big goals. And in order to do that, the people driving the stagecoach, the elites have decided it's got to be sexual anarchy though.

We got to throw out definitions. We have to make sure that, um, gender is, is fluid. It's not rooted in anything objective because if you start rooting it into objective realities, then we are creating lines and distinctions that are oppressive and that doesn't promote.

Equality.

That actually is the opposite of that. So, uh, churches have to figure out how do we keep the Bible on the one hand, which assumes all these creative norms and these, these limitations. And then on the same, in the same way, how can we be a horse on that stagecoach that hopefully that analogy makes sense.

And Revoice, I think is one of the big proponents, one of the, one of the trailblazers for these progressive Christians on how they can do it. And Revoice started so it was in error from the beginning, but it started more as a way of we're going to be biblical.

That's how they promoted it. We're going to try to approach sexuality, uh, by detaching ourselves from cultural bigotries and just being biblical. So untether ourselves from the tradition of the past and how the Bible has always been interpreted and how, what even the Bible assumes we, we just, we don't deal with that.

We now are, it's year one, it's French revolution year zero. And we are going to start with fresh eyes looking at the Bible. But of course it's not fresh eyes because we're there. Revoice always brought in this baggage, these assumptions, uh, from psychology and from really postmodern theory that, uh, gender is this fluid thing.

Now they wouldn't have said that at the beginning. I'm pretty sure there weren't sessions saying that gender is a fluid thing. But once you start saying that, uh, gender norms don't really exist, that these are cultural things that, uh, we can just kind of play with and, uh, we can, we can change.

We can, you know, uh, it's not to say that there aren't certain cultural things associated with gender, for instance, uh, certain clothing styles, like I'm wearing a men's shirt right now, right? That kind of thing.

Uh, it's not to say, but, but those are supposed to be pointing to something deeper, something objective. That's the whole point, right? And these are signals about that deeper reality. And so, uh, Revoice started out with the logical premise that would have led to Leslie Hudson.

Reynolds.

It would have led to where it, there was no stopping it. There was nothing to deter it from going in that direction. When you start, you know, when you start off with sessions on redeeming queer culture, as if queer culture is this wonderful thing that, that, you know, it needs to be, um, celebrated and Christians should get around it.

Well, no, there's actually not, it's not even a culture. You're creating categories that not only aren't biblical, but they don't exist in the real.

World.

It's not a culture. It's just, it's a group of, it's a sinful lifestyle that people have, uh, now, uh, coalesced around and, and if sure they have their art, they have, you know, the things that would, but it's, it's an artificial, uh, imitation of a culture.

It's not a real culture, culture as the word designates it's to cultivate. It's, it's not something that it's, it's nurturing. And when we think of cultures, we're thinking of nurturing in the sense of raising children of having children, raising children, passing on traditions to them.

This whole queer culture thing is something that was, is developed artificially around a sinful lifestyle. And so I understand sometimes when you use the word culture about, you know, the fly fishing culture or the, you know, the culture of this church or the, I get that, but it's not a substitute family, which is how, uh, you know, when you look at even LGBT or queer in the broad range of things that that encompasses, how is that even a uniting principle?

What, what do these, each of these letters have in common with the others? They're just not straight CIS, you know, uh, people that's they're, they're not, the only thing they have in common is they deviate from the obvious standard.

We all know deep down exists that God made two genders and he made them male and female to have, and he made them to function in certain ways and had to have certain broadly speaking traits that are associated with them.

That's creative. That's the creative norm. That's what God created. And the LGBT, the whole idea of that is to, um, Lee exclude that because that's not part.

Of it.

You can't be straight and part of that. Right? So it's to everything but the norm, the standard we all know it's to exclude it. And, and, and then we keep adding to that because we've, we've let go of the standard, the objective reality, and we've said everything's a social construct.

And that's what leads to logic like Leslie Hudson Reynolds, where she says, and the clip you just heard that, um, that being nine bonnet binary is following God, it's following God than any nine non-binary.

Well, how, where do you get this from the Bible? You don't, you don't get it from the scripture. Um, well, I don't see a Bible verse that says you can't be right because the Bible is like, it's like the gluten-free cookbook, right?

I don't see anything that says you can't have a gluten recipe, right? Cause it's the gluten-free cookbook at the assumption from the beginning is that it's male and female, a husband, wife, mother, father.

That's the assumption of the whole book. It doesn't have to come out and explicitly say, so this is, this is so devious, so undermining, so subversive, but so obvious to someone I think who's rooted in the Bible, uh, and the assumptions that the authors of scriptures would have, of scripture would have had, and namely God himself, the, the author of scripture that this, um, this is actually the acid that eats into biblical sexual ethics.

Non-binary means following God. No, it doesn't. Um, uh, and, and of course she puts this caveat in and perfectly and perfectly following God. No, no. Uh, and, and, and then tries to, uh, sort of, uh, spread, spread the blame around in a way that, well, if you criticize me by saying that, you know, what I'm doing isn't biblical, then, well, how you're following God isn't biblical because everyone follows God imperfectly.

You see how, how devious this is, how, um, subversive it's, it's hard for some people. This is hard to catch, but what she's doing is she's trying to take advantage of the inadequacies everyone has in their relationship with the Lord, because we're all sinners, and then say that she's justified in her sin.

But the thing is, the difference is these other imperfections that people have are things that they repent of. They don't go and they, um, make it their label and advocate for it. She is advocating for it.

For instance, if someone follows the Lord in general, and then they sin, they slip up in an area, and, uh, they, let's say they, they steal, they cheat on something, okay? They, um, you know, some, a classic, you know, they, they cheat on, uh, uh, they, they go to the DMV and they say they paid a hundred dollars for a car that they really paid, you know, thousands of dollars for, something like that, right?

They're, uh, they're, they're not being honest. And, um, and then they confess, they repent, you know, this is okay. This is something that, uh, is, we, we could say this is wrong, this is breaking a commandment, but who goes and says, this is what I have to do to follow God.

I have to cheat when I, on, on my, uh, my title at the DMV. That's part of following God. And I think I want to advocate it for others to do. And guess what? If they criticize me, well, they have inadequacies.

So you see, that would, that doesn't make sense in that scenario, but we're willing more to accept it today in this scenario, because there's so much pressure to accept, uh, transgenderism. Uh, preferred pronouns, uh, is, is now incumbent upon the church.