April 25, 2022 Show with Dr. Joe Green on “A Biblical Response to Critical Race Theory”

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Many of you who listen regularly will likely recall that last Tuesday, the 19th of April, we had as our guest

David Swartz, who is one of the elders at Church of the

Living Christ in Loisville, Pennsylvania, which was also the site of my most recent

Iron Sharpens Iron Radio pastors luncheon. And Brother Swartz spoke on the theme that will be a focal point of an upcoming

Bible conference at Church of the Living Christ, a reason for belief apologetics conference.

And that theme is a biblical response to critical race theory. Well, we have today another speaker at that conference who will be joining

Brother David Swartz. That is Dr. Joe Green, who is head pastor at St.

Paul Missionary Baptist Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. He's also founder of the Josiah Project, a mentorship program for teen boys, and the author of several books.

And today we are addressing, again, a biblical response to critical race theory, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr.

Joe Green. Thank you for having me on. It's definitely a blessing and a pleasure to be here with you, and I'm really excited about not only this radio program but the upcoming conference as well.

And I hope that nobody in your congregation refers to you as Mean Joe Green.

Not anymore. Yeah, I guess that name is dating myself, a name from the past in the

NFL. Yeah. But first of all, tell our listeners about St.

Paul Missionary Baptist Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church is, as you stated, located in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

It's a traditionally African -American church. We had just this past October celebrated our 130th year anniversary, and St.

Paul is a very significant and historical church for this community, and it has a long history of really promoting racial equality and different things like that.

The pastor who I grew up under as a child was very instrumental in, like, civil rights and different things like that.

And here's an interesting story, and I won't belabor the point, but in 1918 with the Spanish flu epidemic,

I came across an article that St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church actually functioned as a hospital for the

African -American community in the Spanish flu epidemic. And so I thought it was significant because during the shutdown, this pandemic of 2020, we never closed our doors, and people looked at us as though we were odd, but I felt as though the church had a responsibility to still be that light and that salt in the community and the nation even when there's intending or possible danger that I think that the kingdom never shuts down.

And so I was in the pulpit every Sunday even during the shutdown. Oh, that's great to know because far too many churches did not remain open, and I think it is a very sad commentary on the state of mind in the church today.

So I'm very appreciative of your viewing your calling in the high role that it is, the important and vital role in the body of Christ.

Well, tell us about the Josiah Project. The Josiah Project is a faith -based mentoring program.

We're about to re -implement it. It was actually—we went on hiatus for a little bit for several reasons, but it's targeting young males primarily between 13 and 18 years old.

A lot of our young men were African -American or Hispanic. They were in—primarily in Dauphin County is where we focused most of it on.

And basically it's based on the biblical story of King Josiah. What I saw is that our young people have been getting targeted by, you know, various agendas.

We know the LGBTQ agenda is very prevalent as far as targeting our young people, trying to teach them younger and younger about alternative lifestyles and transgenderism and those types of things.

We know that there's a lot of attacks on our young children to try to teach them things that go against our

Christian values. So I recognize that if we can get our young people and have a faith -based mentoring program that helps to restore our community and restore

Christian values, then we have an opportunity to shift the culture. You know,

King Josiah in the Bible was a very young king. He started off when he was eight years old and he reigned for like 25 years.

And he helped to re -implement revival in his nation. And my belief and my premise for the

Josiah Project is if you can raise up one or two leaders out of the community, you can shift the culture.

You know, a lot of times it can be a gang of young people. It can be 15, 10, 15 young people that are about to do something wrong, break a law, or hurt someone or something like that.

A lot of times it only takes one person to stand up and say, no, we're not going to do that. And so we believe that if we can identify young people, build them up, raise them up to be leaders, that we can impact an entire culture.

And that was the premise behind the Josiah Project. And we're about to re -implement it because I see like now, like never before, it is so important for us to reach the lives of our young people and help to re -implement a kingdom culture, the kingdom of God culture, and how they perceive the life and have a biblical worldview.

I've got to introduce you to my friends that run the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch in Riverhead, Long Island, New York, which is a home for orphans, abused, and abandoned children.

And they are seeking to mentor these youths as well in the truths of Jesus Christ.

And it is predominantly, although not exclusively, the children there are predominantly

African -American children. And I think that you really need to get in touch with them.

And I'll give you the contact information. In fact, right now I'll just announce the website for this wonderful ministry that I have been supporting for decades, timothyhill .org.

By the way, what is the contact information for anybody listening who wants to get a hold of St.

Paul Missionary Baptist Church and also the Josiah Project? If they want to, and I'll give my personal contact information is probably the best way, because although the mentoring program is attached to the church, it's actually a separate entity, so I wouldn't want to confuse the two together.

So my contact information, if anyone's interested, they can reach me at 717 -364 -2639, 717 -364 -2639, or they can email me also at,

I just changed my email, drjg1201 at gmail .com.

drjg1201 at gmail .com. And we'll have you repeat that towards the end of the program as well. Well, as I informed you before the show, we have a tradition here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, whenever we have a first -time guest, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign

Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

And I'm going to ask you now to give a summary of your story. Absolutely. So we were talking a little bit before we got on the air, and I was raised in the church, and my papa who raised me, my biological father wasn't around as much.

I had a stepfather who was, at the time when I was growing up, he was in and out of jail, he was on drugs, so it was a pretty bad background, but I had a papa who was very much involved in the church and my nana, and he was the chairman of the deacon board, and I was very involved in the church growing up.

I actually preached my first sermon, I think about it now, when I was 12 years old, and at 9 years old is when

I made my profession of faith. So 9 years old, I gave my life to the

Lord, walked down the aisle in the Baptist church, as they have the altar call, got baptized at 9, and then as I grew, there was a time in my life where I began to grow away from the

Lord. So as a teenager, I went away to college, some other things happened to me. I was in the military, and there was a time in my life where it was like a perfect storm.

So my papa, who I mentioned, who raised me, he had developed Alzheimer's disease, and I thought that Alzheimer's is probably one of the cruelest things that can happen.

Someone who raised you, basically, gets to a point where they barely recognize you.

It's almost like they may or may not know you some days, and that was really difficult. I was going through a failed marriage at the time.

I got married to my college sweetheart, and while I was in the military, the military is a very challenging thing for marriages and families, and we ended up going through a divorce.

And then my military career, there were some things that happened. I had went in with the intention of doing a career in the military, and it felt like I wasn't getting what

I wanted out of my career. And so this perfect storm that occurred had me really do the prodigal son thing, and I really got involved in some bad stuff and turned away from my faith and all those wonderful things that happened.

And I remember that going from, you know, at one point in my life, I remember coming home. My father was in southern

Virginia, and he ran a nightclub. Me and my biological father had reconnected. He ran a nightclub in southern Virginia, and I used to frequent the nightclub, and, you know, at times there was drugs involved and all kinds of other stuff.

I remember one time coming home from the club at night, and I heard this voice.

You know, I started to reflect on things. I had burned a lot of bridges, and I had made a lot of mistakes and some bad choices, and I said, man,

I really got to get it together, you know, because this is not how my life was supposed to be. And this voice says to me,

I'm going to help you get it together. Now, at the time, I thought it was just me, or I thought it was maybe the alcohol, the drugs, or something.

But later on, I realized it was the voice of the Lord, and from that time on, things really went south for me.

And like the prodigal son, you know, the story of the prodigal son, he found himself in a pig pen. He went from all kinds of riotous living and spending all his resources, and that's where I found myself.

I got to a place where I was literally homeless. And so I finally made my way back to Pennsylvania.

I still had a family there, and my family didn't really judge me per se. You know, I was judging myself very harshly.

And I came back and went to my mother's house, and I was sleeping on her couch.

And one afternoon, I got up and just fell on my face, and I just completely surrendered to the

Lord. I said, Lord, you know, I know that I live my life in a way that's not pleasing to you. I know

I've gone through a whole lot of terrible things, but I just am completely surrendered to you.

I want to live completely for you and say what you want me to say and do what you want me to do.

And, you know, the interesting thing is there was a lot of situations, and I won't go into detail. I actually wrote a book about my testimony, and there was a lot of situations that were very dangerous.

I could have been dead, could have been in jail, could have been all kinds of terrible things happened to me. And I reflected on those things.

And my time, I went through a season of fasting and praying and really rededicating my life to the Lord. And the

Lord began to show me all these instances where things could have went terribly wrong, but yet they didn't.

And at the time, I thought it was me. I thought I was like, man, I'm very clever and smart and charismatic and I just get myself out of things.

But I came to the realization that it was God that was with me the whole time. And then he took me back to that time at nine years old.

At the time, I was about 30, my early 30s. I would say late 20s, maybe early 30s.

He took me back to that time when I was nine where I knelt before the altar. There was a time I was all by myself in the church, and I knelt before the altar, and there's an altar in front of the church that says,

In Remembrance of Me. And when I, at nine years old, made that profession to say, Lord, I want to be your child forever and I want to live for you and I believe in Jesus Christ as the

Son of God and he died on my behalf and I believe in the resurrection. And I said, man,

I had forgot all about that. And I felt like the Lord said, well, you might have forgot about it, but I never forgot about my vow

I made to you that I'd never leave you nor forsake you. And it really shook me. And to put this story in context, and I'll share this in my story,

I went from I was homeless and completely surrendered to the Lord, and then about seven years later

I had the opportunity to buy a Christian radio station in Charlemontown, Pennsylvania. Wow. And by the end of that,

I used to own 720 The Rock in Charlemontown. And by the end of, within a few years,

I actually owned three radio stations. And so the reason I say it was so significant, it's so significant because a lot of the things that I experienced when

I should have been in prison, I should have been dead, I should have been just whatever, you know, the bad things that could have happened.

And I remember buying the radio station and we put all the deal together and that was a whole other testimony in itself.

But I remember putting the deal together and right before we closed on the deal, the gentleman who was financing the deal, he said to me, he says, everything is in order.

We're going to finalize this deal, he said, but you have to do a background check. And as long as you don't have any felonies, everything's going to go through.

And I recognized at that moment that the only reason that God protected me from certain situations was for His bigger purpose for my life.

And it was just amazing to me. And I still, I felt as though, you know, because of what

God has done for me, we all should feel this way, but I know in particular I felt that I owed Him so much, you know, that I had to be, fulfill what

He had me to fulfill, you know, to be a mouthpiece. And so a lot of the things that I have taken on in my faith and going into ministry and everything, just like the conversation we're about to have about CRT and other issues,

I always try to take the biblical approach. I try not to listen to popular culture. I try not to listen to race or anything like that, but let the

Bible and the Holy Spirit guide me in how I express these things because I feel like all of us should feel that we have to be bold in our pronouncement because of His overwhelming grace in our lives and His mercy and how, like I said,

I could just go time after time of how He protected me from dangers both seen and unseen. And because of that, there is absolutely no way

I could ever compromise my stance for Him, my declaration of what the

Word of God says. And so I'm a little bit bold sometimes, and I know people around me at times will be like, man, it seems like you're a little bit over the top in that.

And I said, but His, first of all, the message of the gospel is over the top. For God to send

His Son to die on our behalf, that's an over -the -top message. I said, but more specifically, what God has done for me personally in my life is so over the top that I think we owe

Him that it's the least that I owe Him to try to be bold and to speak out on His behalf. Amen. Well, I'm going to give our listeners our e -mail address if they'd like to join us with a question.

It's ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name, at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the

USA. We are also, as I already mentioned at the beginning of the program, in addition to just responding biblically to critical race theory and everything under the umbrella of the so -called woke movement or the social justice warrior movement, we are promoting an actual conference on that theme, which is going to be held

May 20th through the 22nd at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville, Pennsylvania, featuring my guests,

Dr. Joe Green and David Swartz, who is an elder at Church of the Living Christ.

Going back to your first experiencing hearing about things such as critical race theory and the woke movement, can you recall when you were first becoming aware of these things and what your initial reaction to them were, especially in light of the fact that you have described your church, where you are a pastor,

St. Paul's Baptist Church of Harrisburg, as a traditionally African -American church?

So what was your first experience hearing about these things and your first reaction to them?

Before I actually heard of CRT, I had heard of all the things, the different concepts, the wokeness, the liberalism that had pervaded the church.

I'm a little bit of a historian, so I had been studying various components that lead up to this.

But then it was the last few years that I heard the actual term CRT. CRT is a part of a larger philosophy, a larger mindset.

We know it all goes back to Marxism and even beyond that, and I'll describe that a little bit, and I'll go into detail, especially at the conference.

But CRT, or critical race theory, is a branch of what's known as critical theory that was actually started in the

Frankfurt School in Germany, which was a think tank for Marxist philosophers that were elitist, for lack of a better term.

And so when I heard them give a title to it as CRT, then

I did the study and realized that CRT had been around for a little bit longer than I was aware of, but the very concept goes back a little bit further.

It goes back to, as I mentioned, the Frankfurt School in Germany, the early part of the 20th century. But even going back beyond that, you had this thing called

German Idealism and Immanuel Kant and some of these other philosophers where they believed in what's known as hegemony, or a ruling class of people.

But they also recognized that with the Industrial Revolution and other things, that this elite class of people that should be in charge of things, because they believe that they're the ones who have the answer that in order for them to actually seize control, they came up with various methods in order to allow the people to give up control instead of having these bloody wars like they had in the 20th century.

And so when I start to hear those things and start to see all the cues, that they're not new concepts, but they have been repackaged and refined.

And I'm being kind of vague right now because I'm sure throughout the conversation we'll get a little bit more specific.

But understand that this is not a new philosophy. And so when we try to combat these ideologies, we can't just combat them by what we see in front of us and respond to what we see in front of us.

We have to go back to the root in order to really understand where it originates from and also in order for us to have the answers to counteract what's being put out there.

And specifically, being a pastor at an African -American or as you described it, a traditionally

African -American church, were your initial guttural, instinctive reactions, there is a lot of truth in this?

Or was it, this is not what my scripture says? And I'd also like to hear how your colleagues in ministry and other congregations that may even be geographically close to you, or you just had contact with them in some fashion before then, that were also under the description of traditionally

African -American. What was their reaction to you in regard to your reaction? Well, and see, one of the things we always have to recognize, especially as those who read the

Bible, everything that we're dealing with doesn't start now. It started in the book of Genesis.

And one of the things the enemy has always done is he uses enough of the truth in order to distort and to twist reality.

And so critical race theory has truth involved in it. Marxism has truth in it. They use enough truth in order to get by in emotionally, but then the solution actually is something that leads us further away from God.

So we all know in America there was times where, you know, people of African descent were enslaved.

There was Jim Crow. There was all these different things that happened, and even prejudice and bias that happened in the nation.

But what happens is they use the true things that happened. They exaggerate them, and the solution they offer is not a solution of reconciliation and coming together and unification.

It's always more division, and it helps a certain class of people gain or seize control.

You know, when the Russian Revolution happened, they actually, the condition of many of the people were really bad, and you had these czars and these people that were wealthy, and so they could paint this picture of you being oppressed by these people.

But after the Russian Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution, the conditions became worse for the people.

And that's the same strategy that they use now even with CRT. They do use some truths, some of the pain and agony of certain communities, but they exaggerate it in a way, and the solution they offer doesn't make them stronger, and it doesn't help for reconciliation and for unity.

It causes more division and more dependency on those who are the ones that are promoting this idea.

Right, and they want to perpetuate the idea that people of color are victims and forever will be victims.

And really, it is nothing more than a mirror image of Jim Crow, of the racial hatred that at one time, especially in the

South, but not exclusively the South, existed here in the United States.

It's just a mirror image of it, where the roles are reversed, and you have some vehemently hateful and anti -Christian concepts, even coming from the lips of people who profess to be

Christian, such as that whites are innately evil because we are innately bigots and can never truly, fully repent of that condition.

And on the other side of the coin, people of color cannot be racists or bigots because they are oppressed people.

They have never had the pleasure of being in the majority in places of authority, and therefore they cannot be guilty of bigotry and racism, which is really utterly absurd when you look back at the

New Testament itself. The Jews were a very oppressed people since the inception of their existence.

The children of Abraham, they've always been tormented and tortured and murdered and oppressed by Gentile pagan nations and people, and yet they were forbidden by the

Apostle Paul, the Jewish Christians, were forbidden by the Apostle Paul from harboring these resentful attitudes and treating their

Gentile brothers in Christ in any different way than the way they treated the

Jewish brothers and sisters. Absolutely. And so again, going back to my previous point,

I agree with you 100%. They take the truth of slavery and Jim Crow and racism and prejudice, but then they ignore the larger scope of things.

Because first of all, let's look at it from a historical human perspective. Slavery itself is one of the oldest institutions in human history, going back thousands of years.

The United States didn't invent slavery. Every nation and race, which is a social construct, every race on this planet has enslaved other people at some point in time.

And most of the time, the people that are enslaved are what we would call people of the same race. So that's the first thing.

There's always division. So when you look at most of the people that have been murdered in this world who have been oppressed, the majority of people that are murdered in the world are murdered by people that are the same as they are.

Even in the African -American community in America, probably 80 or 90 % of the victims,

African -Americans that are victims of homicides, are the perpetrators of African -Americans as well.

So those are just basic foundational principles. But what I like to say is America, the

Western culture of America and Great Britain was like the first part of civilization that made a declaration that slavery was inherently wrong.

And slavery still exists around the world. Africa, there's slavery happening.

There's human sex trafficking. There's so many different things that still occur all over the world.

So when we make it a white and black thing or when we make it a United States thing, we're ignoring the larger context of slavery.

It's part of our sin nature. The other part of that is as a nation, we have moved towards trying to solve that issue.

So we had, of course, the Emancipation Proclamation, the 13th, 14th, and 15th

Amendments. We had the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We have all these different things that we have implemented as a nation to try to counter that.

But what critical race theory does, one of the biggest strengths that it has is it uses those past grievances and connects them to current pain and suffering in a way that makes it seem like then is now.

They'll show you the George Floyd incident or they'll show you Mike Brown who got killed, white officer, black person, and then they'll connect that with the time in America where racism was very prevalent back in the 60s and beyond the 60s, back in the

Jim Crow South or during the time of slavery. But I would say that then is not now.

This is not the same time. These are incidents that occurred that we should deal with fact by fact on an individual basis, but we can't paint with a large stroke.

But that's what CRT does. The black person is always the victim, the white person is always the oppressor, and it doesn't leave room for any reconciliation or any type of unification in the situation.

And we have to go to our first station break right now. If you have a question for Dr. Joe Green, please email it to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com,

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Let's say you are a member of a church that strongly supports critical race theory or everything that follows under the umbrella of the woke movement, and you are beginning to realize that these ideologies are packed with heresies and lies, and you don't want to at this point in your early development of opposing these things, you don't want to identify yourself just yet.

Well, we could understand something like that being a reason to remain anonymous. But if it's just a general question, please give us your first name, your city and state, and country of residence.

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Dr. Joe Green, pastor of St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania and founder of the

Josiah Project. He is discussing a biblical response to critical race theory and he is one of two speakers that is involved at the upcoming

Reason for Belief conference which is being held at the

Church of the Living Christ in Loisville, Pennsylvania. And I am hoping to attend that event myself and hoping that as many of you will join me as possible

May 20th through the 22nd at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville. One of the things that my friend

Darrell Bernard Harrison has said and he is a fellow black brother in Christ who is vehemently and adamantly opposed to critical race theory and all things connected with it.

He said that all of the woke advocates are celebrating the 1619

Project and that's in commemoration of a ship arriving in the

British colony of Virginia bearing a cargo of 20 to 30 enslaved people from Africa.

And Darrell Bernard Harrison says I want to hear about the 1618 Project because there were black tribes in Africa who sold those slaves.

So this is something that bears repeating because sin knows no skin color.

Bigotry knows no skin color. Greed knows no skin color.

And whites were not the only individuals guilty of this horrible and wicked sin.

But you also have the blacks in Africa themselves who sold their own people into slavery and you have the initial largest slave trade coming from Portugal not exactly known as a lily white country.

So isn't this a universal sin that we're discussing that people like to make white folk the exclusive bearers or perpetrators of this sin?

That's a great question. One of the things that they really promote is white supremacy or the idea of white supremacy.

And as I said and I would go back to a previous statement that you made that there's probably a lot of churches a lot of people that are maybe in a congregation where the pastor is really promoting this maybe they're in certain circles that people are really strongly supportive of CRT and I would say usually the pastors and the leaders that I find that are really supportive of it a lot of them have the right intentions because they recognize certain issues and certain dynamics within racial relationships but it's misguided which is why it's so important for us to educate for us to go back to the foundation of what these things are but more importantly to look at what the scriptures tell us because like you stated sin is really what we're talking about.

If you look in China when the communists took over China it's estimated between 35 and 50 million people were killed and China is one of the most monolithic racial countries in the world.

It was Chinese killing Chinese if you look in Europe and all those types of things. So this whole idea that white people are the worst people because of chattel slavery that occurred in America really as I said earlier is not looking at the overall historical truths behind how humanity deals with each other how humans hurt each other and that's why it's so important for us to have these conversations for us to really dig down and drill down into the realities of it.

There's a lot of people on both sides that benefit from continued division.

Satan of course in Revelation 13 was considered it says in Revelation that he's the accuser of the brethren and that word in Greek is the word kategoros which means one of his strong points is separating us into certain categories and accusing us to each other.

And that's what we see here with this whole idea of white supremacy white people are the oppressors always and black people are always the victims.

There's one quote that I'd like to share I had referenced it earlier but this is not a new concept of course.

Booker T. Washington who was one of the founders of Tuskegee University back in 1911 he's quoted as saying

I'm afraid there's a certain class of race problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well because as long as the disease holds holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living but also medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.

And that's from 1911 so this is not a new concept or a new dynamic this is something that has occurred throughout.

But yeah I think that if we ignore the overall history of humanity if we ignore sin the core of what sin is and we just focus on what we see and hear now it's easy for us to be deceived and easy for the issues to get twisted and distorted.

Now one of the things I asked you before the first break was what has been the reaction to your black colleagues in ministry and affiliated churches that would be described as you have described

St. Paul's Missionary Baptist Church of Harrisburg traditionally African American.

What has the reaction been to your opposition to CRT and the woke movement and the social justice warrior movement?

Well it's interesting because a lot of times in my circles of black pastors and black leaders and black churches

I'm somewhat in the minority as far as the thought. But however and I've been doing various conferences and various talks for some time even before this became evident and I would say to you that 99 % of the people that come to hear my talks and look at the evidence and hear me out with an open mind 99 % of them receive what

I say. I'm not saying that everybody walks out of my meetings and says oh okay well I completely agree with you but I give them a lot to think about.

A lot of people there's this cognitive dissonance a lot of times especially and like I said this is why the enemy is so clever at provoking real life trauma.

And I'll talk about trauma in a second but there's a lot of people myself included as an

African American I've experienced bigotry bias and prejudice because of the color of my skin and it's very hurtful.

And because that's a reality for me and for others it's easy for that issue to be manipulated.

And that issue of when we talk about race which is completely a social construct and maybe I don't know if you want me to explain that or not but when we talk about that that's who

I the color of my skin is immutable. Right? You can make fun of me because of what

I wear I can change my clothes you can make fun of me if I'm fat I can lose weight or if I'm too skinny

I can gain weight but when you talk about something that is a reality for me and it's something that is it's an emotional trigger that a lot of people experience and because of that that topic is very easy to manipulate.

And so and so like I'm saying when I do these talks and people see facts and evidence and people that really want to stand for truth they respond but this cognitive dissonance keeps some of us from just completely saying you know what

I have to change how I view this. And they hang on to a little bit of that reality because they have experienced pain and so it's believable to say that yeah this is the reason why

I felt this because there's evil people out there that you know mistreat people because of the color of their skin and but like I said we've had a lot of exposure we've had a lot of people and I've had a lot of people send me notes or messages or call me afterwards and say you know what you gave me a lot to think about I start to look at things a little bit differently which is why education is so important that we educate people and expose people to the truth because if they only hear one side of the story then they'll tend to believe that the side that they hear must be the truth because we don't have opposing voices and so that's what

I've been doing over the last several years I started really in 2016 to really push this whole idea of racial reconciliation because I felt that the

Lord was saying that is the place that the church has to take the forefront and because I don't believe that the church has done a great job at talking about these issues at being in the forefront and giving a biblical world view on them because we haven't done a great job

I believe the enemy has come in and he's really been able to take a foothold and to kind of shape the conversation which is why it's so important for us to have these type of conversations from a biblical perspective yeah well has anybody been more forceful in their opposition to what you are saying my friends one of which

I have already mentioned Darrell Bernard Harrison and Virgil Walker they are both black brothers who host a podcast at one time it was the most listened to podcast most listened to Christian podcast in the

United States I don't know if they still hold that prestigious rank but they have been called even by people who theologically agree with them on 99 % of other areas they have been called

Uncle Toms they have been called traitors to their race they have been really mocked and ridiculed and have been publicly vilified has anything of that level approached you and your congregation yeah

I've had personally yeah I've been attacked personally not physically attacked or anything like that and most of the people that have disagreed with me have been somewhat civil but yeah it has happened

I'll tell you one of the stories when after the George Floyd incident and in fact could you pick up the

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and give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence. Before I go to any of our listener questions, you were saying right before the break something that occurred in response to the

George Floyd tragedy. Are you there, brother? Yes, I'm there.

I'm sorry, could you repeat the question? Before the break you said you were just beginning to say that there was something of significance that occurred after the

George Floyd tragedy in regard to your church and perhaps your church's relationship to other predominantly black congregations.

Yeah, no, what happened was right after the George Floyd incident and Black Lives Matter was really gaining momentum, and I had been kind of following that movement for a while, not just because of the

Black Lives Matter movement, but because, as I said, historically, I understood some of the things that have happened to the black community, and I'll get into that in a minute.

But I did a video blog about why I was not staying with Black Lives Matter, and it went out, and I got a lot of likes and watches, a lot of exposure, and then a friend of mine sent me some clips because the

Black Lives Matter people and even the local Black Lives Matter chapter was circulating my video and discussing what

I was saying there. And, of course, there were several different comments that were made. One of them was basically, you know, you talked about how you can get called

Uncle Tom. They didn't actually call me Uncle Tom in so many words, but the illusion was that somehow that was a sellout, that they said my white

Republican mentors or whatever must have told me what

I was sharing, and I didn't have any of these ideas of my own. And I thought it was interesting because I just broke it down step by step as to why

I wouldn't stay with Black Lives Matter, and there's a number of reasons, but traditionally what has happened is that people have come in.

I read the quote from Booker T. Washington. People have come in to the black community during a time of distress, during a time of, you know, trauma, and they have capitalized off the pain of the black

Americans, but yet nothing ever gets changed. And so that was the first thing that I stated.

I saw that same pattern happening with Black Lives Matter. If you guys have followed it or anyone who has followed it, the victims of these, you know, the victims that got murdered or killed or whatever you want to define them as, whether it's

Mike Brown, whether it's Tamir Rice in Ohio, that was one of the, you know, riots that they had.

Breonna Taylor, Trayvon Martin, all these are families that actually lost a loved one, so we can't discount that.

But yet Black Lives Matter would come in as though they were coming in to help solve the issue. They were pointing at racism, racist cops, you know, hands up, don't shoot, and all these other slogans that people were capitalizing off of.

But yet all of the families of these victims said that the Black Lives Matter people never even spoke to them.

You know, during the time of, you know, the riots in Ferguson and different places, Black Lives Matter in one year raised over $90 million, and the families of these victims didn't even get any of the money.

And so this is a tradition, this is a strategy that has happened throughout history, and it goes all the way back to even the communists in Russia when they kind of connected to the civil rights movement in America.

They fanned the flames of racism and bigotry and bias. They don't offer a real solution.

They offer a fake solution, and what happens is they are enriched off of the situation.

They gain power, they gain wealth and resources and influence, and then they leave these communities, and these communities are still dealing with the same issues they've always had.

You know, when I talked about going back beyond critical race theory, and I talked about the

Frankfurt School, you know, in Germany they had this thing called German Idealism, and one of the, Immanuel Kant was one of the main people, but also this gentleman by the name of Hegel, and George Wilhelm Hegel, and that's where we get the idea of Hegelian dialectic, which is problem, reaction, solution, or thesis, antithesis, and synthesis, however you want to describe it.

And what happens is the powers that be have a certain direction they want to take society in, and so they kind of create or capitalize off of the situation.

They anticipate the reaction, and then they are there to offer the solution. And when they do that, the solution that they offer is a solution that doesn't bring healing and reconciliation and unity, but what the solution always does is it causes a wider division and gap between the groups of people, whether it's black and white or whatever groups that they're dealing with, and it causes the people to have even more stress, because can you imagine in some of these neighborhoods where Black Lives Matter came in as though they were coming in on the white horse to be the saviors and the rescuers of the society, they get enriched, they make a big deal, and when they leave the community, the actual ills of that community are still the same.

And so now the people are even more frustrated because they're like, we had riots, we had protests, we had all these meetings, we got all this national attention, but yet these families are still in distress, the community is still in distress, you still have high rates of poverty, you have failing school districts, you have broken families and broken homes and high incarceration rates, you have all these same issues that don't get solved because the people that came in offering the solution never tried to solve the solution, they were just fanning the flames and enriching themselves in the process.

Okay, we have some listener questions. How do you get

CRT woke curriculum out of the schools? What can a parent and or community member do?

Many schools state they are not teaching CRT, but they acknowledge gender identity, teach

SEL content, I'm not really sure what that is, and may even support various LGBTQ clubs.

Can we get this out of our schools? And that's from Lynn in Landisburg, Pennsylvania.

Well, I tell you, and that's a great question, what I was able to do, so in Gateway High School, which is in Monroeville, they had a similar situation.

So the school district was about to hire an inclusion officer, equity and inclusion officer, and we know that that's kind of code word for the people that believe in CRT and also the

LGBTQ activism. And so what they did was they were having a board meeting.

They had some concerned people and some concerned board members. I actually went in right before the board meeting and I did a lecture,

I did a seminar. And in the seminar, I just broke it down similar to what I'm doing now, and it empowered enough parents to have that dialogue and that discord, that not only did they not want it taught in their schools, they were able to articulate their opposition to it, but then they also put pressure on the school boards.

And that's why it's so important for parents to be active for the school boards, because a lot of times when you have administrators, whether it's a superintendent of a school or the head of the school board, they're under a lot of pressure by the people that are really promoting these ideologies.

And if so, if you don't offer a solution to it, if you're not able to articulate your argument in a way that helps to offset what they are saying, then it's hard for you to get it overthrown.

What a lot of people don't realize, even our school system in America has been infiltrated by Marxism.

Our school system in America, the basic school ideology is based on what's called the

Prussian model. And Prussia is another name for Germany, and so because of it, they have infiltrated the teaching schools, the universities, and all this other stuff, and they've indoctrinated a lot of the teachers and educators with Marxist ideology.

And when I say that, I want to make sure that you guys understand that a lot of the people that are falling victim to this are not doing it intentionally, but if that's what you're being taught, and a lot of these people are being blackballed if they go against the status quo, then it trickles down.

And so you have administrators, you have supervisors, you have even teachers that have bought into this Marxist ideology of how schools and education should work, so it's important for the parents and the people that oppose these things to educate themselves to be able to articulate their position in a way that puts pressure on the powers that be, and if you get enough parents involved, and worst case scenario, if they still don't want to listen, then you vote them out, because ultimately the school board has to answer to the parents of that school district.

But it can be effective, and when I said about Gateway, I went in and did the lecture. They not only didn't get to include the officer, that office, but they also were able to make sure that CRT was not taught in their schools, and some of the school board members that were very vocal about it, from what

I understand, have been since then voted out. Praise God.

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There is a documentary that I strongly urge you to rally your fellow citizens and congregations in your community to meet at one place or several places to view this documentary, which you can purchase and watch it via streaming.

It is called The Mind Polluters. It is about the sex education courses being taught in classes even as young as kindergarten -age students.

And this is a mind -blowing documentary that is truly revealing the satanic and grotesque perversions that are taking place in the school system.

I know it's not exactly what we're talking about now, but since you mentioned the LBGTQ agenda, this documentary is replete with clips of the leftist agenda's own curriculum, where they are promoting transgenderism and homosexuality to very young children.

So if you go to themindpolluters .com, you can find out more about this documentary, and you can also listen to an interview

I did with one of the participants recently, Audrey Werner, W -E -R -N -E -R.

If you look that up in the search engine of my website, you will find that interview, and I think it will be quite enlightening and disturbing at the same time.

We have R .J. in White Plains, New York, who says,

In your experience as a black pastor, are the congregations in the black church at large typically as left -leaning as the pastors often are, who may be getting brainwashed in the leftist seminaries and Bible colleges they attend?

I have heard that in your typical black church, the congregation is very often far more conservative in regard to the areas including abortion and homosexuality than their own pastors are, and especially are far more conservative and biblically faithful than those in the limelight in the media who claim to represent the black community.

Well, that's a great question, and I would say to you, if you talk to the average African American person, not even just the church people, but the average

African American person is more so conservative. Most of the congregants are conservative.

If you go point for point, they're mostly conservative. The problem is twofold. One of them is the pastors, and for various reasons.

One in particular is a lot of times, especially in the inner city, there are some pastors and some churches that struggle financially.

If you're in the inner city in a poor neighborhood, a lot of times your congregants aren't very wealthy, and so the offering and the tithes and the giving may not be very high.

And so what they do is a lot of times they have to offset it with social programs, various social programs that they get, which are primarily

Democratic -run. And so because of that, a lot of them will vote

Democrat and get their congregants to vote Democrat as well. But when you go point for point, most of them are conservative, that's true.

We have to get to the place where it's an either -or. So here's part of the problem, and here's the example

I give. It's the Bill Clinton effect in some of the Democrats.

The reason Bill Clinton was so popular with the African -American community, because he pretended like he cared.

He at least took the time. He had Vernon Jordan on the podium with him, he would play the sax, and he called himself the first black president.

He gave the impression that he really cared about the black community, whereas on the other side of the aisle, and I'm speaking as a person who was a registered

Democrat from 1985 to 2012, and I even helped to work on the

John Kerry campaign in 2004 until I had this epiphany and this transformation to where I'm not a

Democrat, not a liberal, not a conservative. And the reason I bring all that up is because the failure on the right many times, and even the

Republican Party, is that they didn't even take the time to reach out and at least give the impression that it really mattered some of the issues that are happening in the inner city.

And so I'll give you guys a great story. I was in the military. I was in the Navy. We were over in Europe, and when we were in Europe, some of the guys, we went out on liberty, and we'd be out in the club or something having fun and just dancing and partying or whatever.

That's a long time ago, so I'm going to pass you now. I don't do that kind of stuff, but this was back in the 90s. I remember a bunch of the

European women coming around us, and we were laughing and joking and having a good time, and she said, do you know why we like you guys?

And I said, why? She said, we know that most of the time you're feeding us a line, you really don't care about us like that or whatever the case may be, but at least you took the time to pretend like you cared about us, and some of the other guys don't even take the time to do that.

And I would say from a political standpoint, that has been the key. A lot of the people in the black community have issues that people outside of the community don't even realize that those are real issues because they don't have a connection to the community, and so the people inside of the community feel as though the people don't care about them, but a lot of times the people outside of the black community don't even know these issues exist.

Now, on the other side of it, you know, if you don't go out and reach out to these communities and try to talk to people and find out why, there's a lot of times when you have these riots, when they show like a

Mike Brown situation, and then people outside the community are like, why are they so mad at the police? But then when you drill it down, you find that there have been times, and historically, that the police have racial profiling or all those types of things that occurred.

So there are some valid grievances that they have that have been exaggerated, taken out of context, but if we don't take the time to find out and hear what the people are saying, we never have that connection, and because of that, they go with the people that at least pretend, right, like they care, with the old saying that nobody will care what you know until they know that you care.

And so we have to do a good job, and really I blame the church for it because it's the church's job.

We're supposed to look out for the widows and the orphans, and part of the gospel, and I'll make this part real quick that I talk about in detail, we talk about the

Great Commission. The Great Commission says go out and preach the gospel to all nations. This is what Jesus told us to do.

Baptize him in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That word nations in the

Greek is the word ethnos, which means ethnicities. So he wasn't necessarily just talking about various countries, but he was saying to his church that we are to go and reach out across the ethnic and cultural lines in order to build up his church.

And, you know, Martin Luther King said it, you know, Sunday mornings are some of the most segregated times in America, and I think when the church does a better job at least reaching across the cultural and ethnic lines in order to promote the gospel and build up the kingdom of God, we kind of destroy the argument that the enemy has when he whispers into a certain group of people to say these other people don't even care, so even though they may not be biblically sound, at least they are concerned with your well -being.

And that's the lie that the left has promoted a lot of times, and we have bought into it, at the sake, unfortunately, of the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Amen. Agree with you 100%. And the conservative Bible -believing churches that were theologically sound and doctrinally sound, they really dropped the ball in this country in regard to the civil rights movement.

They let the liberals control that movement and lead that movement, and it's a travesty.

And this is what we have today in our day and age,

I think, largely as a result, is that people of color are more trusting of those who are leftist than those that are conservative, and it's really just a trap because they really want nothing more than enslavement for those people of color to be perpetuated, for them to be dependent on the state, and it's a tragedy.

But I'm thrilled that there are many conservative

Bible -believing and theologically sound churches, ministries, and individuals who have changed that situation for the better and are putting

Christ and his teachings first and foremost to address these and all other problems.

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You are certainly revealing that you are putting

Christ and his word first and foremost as you seek to address the controversies of our day, including the

CRT. You mentioned earlier that the conferences where you have been speaking, where although you may not have 100 percent of the people leaving in 100 percent of agreement with you, you still have people who are telling you that they have been given a lot to think about.

You obviously have hope that there will be a change in the mindset of many in regard to this.

Is it palpably obvious that there are pastors and churches being transformed and changing their allegiance to satanic concepts in these areas that you have witnessed yourself?

Yeah, I do. I've seen some pastors and leaders. There's a lot of them that want to know the truth, but some of them don't have enough courage to go against the grain,

I should say. Especially some of the pastors of larger churches, they have certain people that may have a lot of influence over the church and the congregation, and some of these pastors may not have the...

which is unfortunate, to go against the grain. A lot of them, because even when I read years ago, the

Barna group did some studies that said that even just in having a biblical worldview, there's a very small amount of pastors that actually hold to a true biblical worldview.

So if we have pastors that don't hold to a true biblical worldview, then obviously that's going to trickle down to most of the congregations, that they won't have a biblical worldview as well, and so it's easy for the enemy to come out and teach a false gospel.

So you have the social justice gospel, or the social gospel now, that has become more and more prevalent.

You have seeker -friendly churches that now, they don't stick to strict biblical exegesis and interpretation, but they allow the culture to shape how they even preach and minister the gospel.

So you have all these types of things, which makes it easy for people to get deceived, because if you go through a trauma, and I can trigger that emotional part of what's inside of you, it's easier to manipulate.

And one of the greatest tools and weapons that the enemy uses is fear. So think about the fear, not only from the pandemic, that he's instituted fear in the nation, but can you imagine, and I have a black son,

I have black daughters and black sons, can you imagine in certain neighborhoods, when you keep showing images over and over and over again of a black boy laying on the ground and white cops walking over top of him, and you keep promoting this whole narrative that they're out here trying to kill your boys.

Without the message of the gospel, without the hope that comes from Jesus Christ, and without understanding things from a true historical perspective and statistics and all that other stuff that really matter, it's very easy to manipulate people.

I have a black son who just turned 18, I have adult daughters, I have my trust in Jesus, and I've taught and trained my son well, but if not, if I didn't have that hope in me and that faith in God, it could be very easy that I would be extremely concerned because I'm looking at these images over and over again and I'm being told over and over again that white cops are just gunning down black boys.

And one of the things I'll say, and I'll make this real quick, I had a conversation with some people because they could promote this narrative, even some religious leaders, and they said, you know, every time we walk out of our door, we're being hunted down by police officers, basically.

That's, I'm paraphrasing what they said. But I looked at the statistics and they said in 2019, these are the

FBI statistics, about 18 unarmed black males got killed by cops.

Right? 18 in 2019. Whereas almost twice as many white unarmed people got killed by cops.

Now, one is too many. I'll say one is too many. But if you think about, first and foremost, if there's 30 million black people, 18 is a very small number.

The second part of that is twice as many white people have gotten unarmed, white people have gotten killed by cops as black.

How come they never show that on the news? I've never seen a story of an unarmed white kid laying on the ground and the cops walking over top of him.

And so that instills fear and it makes it seem as though it only happens to young black people.

But when we look at it from the true factual basis, it paints a different story.

Maybe we need better trained police officers. Maybe, you know, it could be so many other factors other than just making it about race.

But when we always make it about race, it instills fear and distrust in the community. And it makes a community easy to manipulate.

And unfortunately, we don't have enough pastors that are willing to take a stand on certain issues in order to offset that fear.

Yeah, you were talking about the fear of some to abandon being on the bandwagon of critical race theory and social justice warrior mindsets.

The fear of being ostracized, ridiculed, losing positions of status and income, all kinds of reasons.

People fear men more than God. It was, I don't know whether you could say it was hilarious or horrifying, but when the world watched the interview of Katonji Brown before being admitted to the

Supreme Court as a justice, she was asked a very simple question, can you define what a woman is?

And out of her fear of saying the wrong thing that was not according to the script of leftists, she just said, no,

I can't, I'm not a biologist. And the irony of it is that that moronic statement didn't even achieve what the leftists stand for because they don't believe biology determines if somebody's a man or a woman.

Right, right, exactly. So it was doubly moronic and quite a horrific tragedy that somebody like that would be added to the

Supreme Court and chosen just because of the melanin content of her skin and her gender.

I mean, that is truly a frightening day that we have arrived at in the 21st century.

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Welcome back, Dr. Green. We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island who has a question for you.

His question is, the one thing that boggles my mind most of all is how the black community at large with all of the facts that clearly reveal that the abortion industry was initiated to eradicate the black race from the face of the earth and also the leftist charge to remove guns from the hands of private citizens are things that the black community continues to support and it is mind -boggling to me since both of those things are helping black folks to literally die in the thousands and I was wondering what your response to that is.

Yeah, that's mind -boggling to me too, Dr. Green. You have Planned Parenthood clearly being started first with the idea that their goal was to impose sterilization on black women so that they couldn't reproduce and eventually the black race would no longer exist and then it moved into the actual torture and murder of unborn children in the womb and with the targets being blacks and other minorities, most of Planned Parenthood facilities are in the areas most heavily populated by blacks and of course the insanity of gun control, if you have people dying in very high numbers in the inner cities, you're going to take away from them their right to defend themselves with a firearm.

It makes absolutely no sense because the criminals are always going to have the guns so my mind, as my listener said, is equally boggled by this.

Yeah, those are good points and that's why I always talk about trauma and suffering and pain because those things sometimes can be so loud that they overshadow reasonable thinking.

There's a lot of people that have been traumatized by various things and because they haven't received the healing emotionally and spiritually, those things become secondary issues, if that makes sense.

In certain places, like in the Philadelphia area now, Philadelphia is one of the highest homicide rates in the country and you have some people that are living in the city that are living in fear and so a lot of times they don't look at the overall

Marxist -leftist agenda for taking away guns, they don't look at all that stuff.

The only thing that they're hearing, the sound of the trauma and the fear that they're experiencing is gunshots in their neighborhood and so although I agree 100 % and I've spoken on these things for years,

I do recognize that the type of trauma and pain that some experience that becomes spiritual and emotional pain outweighs the big picture of everything that's occurring.

Some people are looking for just a relief right now, they don't have time to think long -term or anything like that.

It's like if your belly was hungry and someone offered you food, you may not look at the overall picture and the long -term effects of what you're about to do right now because you're just trying to alleviate this pain that you're experiencing right now.

So sometimes that is the case, many times and there's a lot more people that aren't for abortion but they don't want to impose that view on other people which is unfortunate.

There's a lot of people that understand how dangerous it is for gun control because historically black people have been

Second Amendment proponents. I have two grandfathers from the Deep South that both of them were very staunch

Second Amendment proponents because that's how they protected themselves during Jim Crow and different things like that.

But again, this is why the Church is so important and the Body of Christ is so important because until on a regular individual basis we begin to have these conversations with people that are going through this pain and trauma and we develop relationships and friendships and reinforce to them that we care because the love of Christ is inside of us.

We can win an argument but a lot of times at what cost? The Lord has really put on my heart.

There's a time that I had all the facts and had all the information and I could win every argument but the

Lord really clearly spoke to my heart and said, do you want to win an argument or do you want to win a soul? Do you want to be effective?

And so I think that's why it's so important to have these conversations to reach out and to talk to people and to find out what they're experiencing and to find out why it is that they are going in the path that they do because a lot of people are just looking for temporary fixes to kind of quiet the pain and the trauma that they're experiencing on an everyday basis.

In fact, I believe it was Ronald who asked the last question in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island.

I strongly urge you to spread this link to all the folks that you know and perhaps even especially your black friends and neighbors and brothers and sisters in Christ.

Maafa21 .com and that's M as in Michael, A, A, F as in Frank, A, 21 .com.

It's a remarkable, mind -blowing documentary. So I'm hearing you saying yes in the background.

I'm assuming you saw this, Dr. Green. Yes, I'm very familiar with it and even some of the people that are in this,

I'm colleagues with close colleagues. It's basically revealing the racist roots of Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry in general being totally tied in with the eugenics movement, the movement to create a pure white race by eradicating blacks and other minorities from existence and the ties with Margaret Sanger who was an avowed racist even had

Nazis writing for her magazine before World War II. Amazing stuff and that's

Maafa21 .com and it's interesting, you were talking about the fear that people have fear of men rather than obeying

God. There was a black deacon I met years ago when this was a new documentary,

Maafa 21. By the way, for those of you listening, that is a Swahili word that means genocide and I said, you've got to show this to your pastor and maybe have your whole congregation watch this.

He came back to me about a week later and he said, yeah, I saw that. That's some mind -blowing stuff you showed me there but I can't give it to my pastor.

He's not ready for it. I said, he's not ready for it? That's proof that he needs to see it more than anybody.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, I want you to have a minute where you can summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today,

Dr. Green. Well, I hope everyone, hopefully that your listeners, all those who are able will come out to the conference.

You know, a lot of the times, you know, we're limited in times of trying to answer things and give as much as I can but, you know, it's the depth of the information

I think that really helps people but at the end of the day, when we recognize that these type of issues that we're dealing with, the

Church had the solution for this problem 2 ,000 years ago. If we just tap into these things, we use the wisdom of God but also we equip ourselves with what is happening in the world around us as well so we can speak to those issues.

You know, I'm always amazed that even the day of Pentecost in Acts chapter 2, the birth of the Church, they weren't amazed at the

Holy Spirit falling like tongues of fire or mighty rushing wind. They weren't amazed about that.

They were amazed because they said, we can understand each other's language. All these nations on the earth was there and so that was a precursor to what

God's ultimate goal is in the book of Revelation. It says every tribe and every tongue will gather together and so the enemy is trying to divide us by race, by culture, by all these different things, but it's the message of the gospel that brings healing, unity, reconciliation, but we have to be intentional about it.

We have to try to be effective. A lot of times we can't just win them over with facts because we have to develop relationships with people outside of our community and culture and understand their issues as well in order for us to really effectively talk to them.

They'll believe what you say once they believe that you really care for them and so I think that this is an important conference that we're dealing with.

It's unfortunate that we are being reactionary other than proactive in how we address these issues, but I still believe that there's hope out there because those who are really sincere about advancing the kingdom of God and really trying to tackle these issues from a biblical perspective, we have the goods.

We have the victory. It's already been taken care of, but it's a matter of whether we'll put in the work and take the time to do all that we can do to be effective in advancing these messages.

That's the Reason for Belief Apologetics Conference, May 20 -22 at Church of the

Living Christ. To register, go to churchofthelivingchrist .cc churchofthelivingchrist .cc

I want to thank Dr. Green for doing such a remarkable job. I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far, far greater