April 25, 2022 Show with Dr. Joe Green on “A Biblical Response to Critical Race Theory”

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Many of you who listen regularly will likely recall that last Tuesday, the 19th

of April, we had as our guest David Swartz who is one of

the elders at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville, Pennsylvania, which was

also the site of my most recent Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastors Luncheon.

And Brother Swartz spoke on the theme that will be a

focal point of an upcoming Bible conference at Church of the Living Christ,

a reason for belief apologetics conference.

And that theme is a biblical response to critical race theory.

Well, we have today another speaker at that conference who will be joining

Brother David Swartz.

That is Dr. Joe Green, who is head pastor at St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church in Harrisburg,

Pennsylvania.

He's also founder of the Josiah Project, a mentorship program for teen boys and the

author of several books.

And today we are addressing, again, a biblical response to critical race theory, and it's my honor and privilege to

welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Joe Green.

Thank you for having me on.

It's definitely a blessing and a pleasure to be here with you, and I'm really excited about not only this radio program

but the upcoming conference as well.

And I hope that nobody in your congregation refers to you as Mean Joe Green.

Not anymore.

Yeah, I guess that name is dating myself, a name from the past in

the NFL.

But first of all, tell our listeners about St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church in

Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church is, as you stated, an American

church.

We had just this past October celebrated our 130th year anniversary, and

St. Paul is a very significant and historical church for this community, and it has a

long history of really promoting racial equality and different things like that.

The pastor I grew up under as a child was very instrumental in, like, civil rights and different things like that.

And here's an interesting story, and I won't belabor the point, but in 1918, with the Spanish flu epidemic, I

came across an article that St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church actually functioned as a

hospital for the African -American community during the Spanish flu epidemic.

Oh, that's great to know, because far too many churches did not

remain open, and I think it is a very sad commentary on the state of mind

in the church today.

So I'm very appreciative of your viewing your calling

in the high role that it is, the important and vital role

in the body of Christ.

Well, tell us about the Josiah Project.

The Josiah Project is a faith -based mentoring program.

We're about to re -implement it.

It was actually, we were on hiatus for a little bit.

It's targeting young males, primarily between 13 and 18 years old.

A lot of our young men were African -American or Hispanic.

They were in, you know, primarily in Dauphin County.

We know the LGBTQ agenda is very prevalent as far as targeting our young people, trying to teach them younger and younger

about transgenderism and those types of things.

We know that there's a lot of attacks on our young children to try to teach them things that go

against our Christian values.

So I recognize that if we can get our young people and have a faith -based mentoring program that helps to restore our community

and restore Christian values, then we had an opportunity to shift the culture.

You know, King Josiah in the Bible was a very young king.

He started off when he was eight years old, and he reigned for like 25 years.

And he helped to re -implement revival in his nation.

And we're about to re -implement it because I see like...

I've got to introduce you to my friends that run the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch in

Riverhead, Long Island, New York, which is a home for orphans,

abused, and abandoned children.

And they are seeking to mentor these youths as well in the truths of Jesus Christ.

And it is predominantly, although not exclusively, the children there are

predominantly African -American children.

And I think that you really need to get in touch with them.

And I'll give you the contact information.

In fact, right now I'll just announce the website for this wonderful ministry that I have been supporting for

decades, timothyhill .org.

By the way, what is the contact information for anybody listening who wants to get a hold of St. Paul

Missionary Baptist Church and also the Josiah Project?

If they want to, and I'll give my...

Because although the mentoring program is attached to the church, it's actually a separate entity.

So I wouldn't want to confuse the two together.

Right.

So my contact information is...

And we'll have you repeat that towards the end of the program as well.

Well, as I informed you before the show, we have a tradition here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

Whenever we have a first -time guest, we have that guest give a summary of their

salvation testimony, which would include the kind of religious atmosphere, if any,

they were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in

their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

And I'm going to ask you now to give a summary of your story.

Absolutely.

So we were talking a little bit before we got on the air.

My pop -pop who raised me, my biological father wasn't around as much.

I had a

stepfather who was much involved in the church and my nana,

and

he

was

growing

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happened.

You know, someone who helped to raise you, basically.

You're very, you know,

the military lives in families.

And then I

was,

my

military

career,

living,

and

Lord, you know,

I'm not

pleasing

to you,

dangerous,

and praying and really rededicating my life to the Lord.

And the Lord began to show me all these instances where things could have went terribly wrong.

I'm charismatic, and I just get my top

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the Lord, and then about seven years later I had the opportunity to buy a Christian radio station in Shiremanstown, Pennsylvania.

And he

said, the

only

reason that

God

protected

me from

CRT

and

other

issues,

biblical approach, I try not to listen to popular culture, trying to

guide me in how I express these things, because I feel

like all of us should feel that we have to be bold in our pronouncement because of his overwhelming grace

in our lives and his mercy and how, like I said, I could just go time after time of how he protected me from.

Because of that, there is absolutely no way I could ever compromise the

word of God.

Around me at times, we're like, man, you seem like you're a little bit,

but more specifically, what God has done for me personally in my life is so over the top that I think we

owe him that it's the least that I owe him to try to be bold.

Amen.

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We are also, as I already mentioned at the beginning of the program, in addition to

just responding biblically to critical race theory and everything under the

umbrella of the so -called woke movement or the social justice

warrior movement, we are promoting an actual conference on that theme,

which is going to be held May 20th through the 22nd at Church of the Living Christ in

Loisville, Pennsylvania, featuring my guests, Dr. Joe Green and David Swartz, who

is an elder at Church of the Living Christ.

Going back to your first experiencing,

hearing about things such as critical race theory and

the woke movement, can you recall when you were first becoming aware of these

things and what your initial reaction to them were,

especially in light of the fact that you have described your church, where you are a pastor,

St. Paul's Baptist Church of Harrisburg, as a traditionally African -American church?

So what was your first experience hearing about these things and your

first reaction to them?

Well, it

was really,

I'll

go into

detail, a

CRT that

I did

study,

that goes back to, as I mentioned, the Frankfurt School in Germany, some of

these other

philosophies.

They also recognize that

what they have

been

trying to see,

all the key

have been

philosophies.

And so when we try to combat these

ideologies, we root in order to really understand where

it is to have the answers.

And specifically, being a pastor at an African -American or, as you

described it, a traditionally African -American church, were your

initial guttural, instinctive reactions,

there is a lot of truth in this?

Or was it, this is not what my scripture says?

And I'd also like to hear how your colleagues in ministry and other congregations

that may even be geographically close to you, or you just had contact with them in

some fashion before then, that were also under the description of traditionally African -American.

What was their reaction to you in regard to your reaction?

Well, everything that we

did, it's

always

more

certain

class of

people

impressed

by

these

people.

The Russian Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution, and that's

the same strategy that they use now, even with CRT, because

it's more

division.

Right, and they want to perpetuate the idea that

people of color are victims and forever will be victims.

And really, it is nothing more than a

mirror image of Jim Crow, of the racial

hatred that at one time, especially in the South, but not exclusively the South,

existed here in the United States.

It's just a mirror image of it, where the roles are reversed.

And you have some vehemently hateful

and anti -Christian concepts, even coming from the lips of people who profess to be Christian,

such as that whites are innately evil because we are innately

bigots and can never truly, fully repent of that condition.

And on the other side of the coin, people of color cannot be racist or bigots

because they are oppressed people.

They have never had the pleasure of being in

the majority in places of authority, and therefore they cannot be guilty of

bigotry and racism, which is really utterly absurd when you look back at the New Testament itself.

The Jews were a very oppressed people

since the inception of their existence.

The children of Abraham, they've always been tormented and tortured and murdered and

oppressed by Gentile pagan nations and people.

And yet, they were forbidden by the Apostle Paul, the Jewish Christians were

forbidden by the Apostle Paul, from harboring these resentful attitudes

and treating their Gentile brothers in Christ in any different way than

the way they treated the Jewish brothers and sisters.

Absolutely.

And so again, going back to my previous point, I agree with you 100%.

But then they ignore the larger scope in

human history.

We

would call

people, there's

always

division

in Great

Britain

where,

you know,

14th

and

15th Amendment.

We had the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

We have all these different tries to counter that.

And so, but what

critical race

theory

does,

the person is

always

the

oppressor,

and it

doesn't leave room for any

reconciliation or any type of unification in the situation.

And we have to go to our first station break right now.

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Let's say you are a member of a church that strongly supports

critical race theory or everything that follows under the umbrella of the woke

movement.

And you are beginning to realize that these ideologies are packed with

heresies and lies.

And you don't want to at this point in your early development of opposing

these things, you don't want to identify yourself just yet.

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His name is Dr. Joe Green, pastor of St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

and founder of the Josiah Project.

He is discussing a biblical response to critical race theory, and he is

one of two speakers that is involved at the upcoming Reason for

Belief conference, which is being held at the Church of the Living Christ

in Loisville, Pennsylvania.

And I am hoping to attend that event myself and hoping that as many

of you will join me as possible May 20th through the 22nd at Church of the

Living Christ in Loisville.

One of the things that my friend Darrell Bernard Harrison has said, and he's a

fellow black brother in Christ who is vehemently and adamantly opposed

to critical race theory and all things connected with it.

He said that all of the woke advocates are celebrating

the 1619 Project, and that's in

commemoration of a ship arriving in the British colony of Virginia bearing a cargo of

20 to 30 enslaved people from Africa.

And Darrell Bernard Harrison says, I want to hear about the 1618 Project

because there were black tribes in Africa who sold

those slaves.

So this is something that bears repeating because sin knows no

skin color.

Bigotry knows no skin color.

Greed knows no skin color.

And whites were not the only individuals guilty of this

horrible and wicked sin, but you also have the blacks in Africa themselves

who sold their own people into slavery.

And you have the initial largest slave trade coming from Portugal,

not exactly known as a lily white country.

So isn't this a universal sin that we're discussing, that people like to

make white folk the exclusive bearers and

perpetrators of this sin?

That's

a great

question.

You know,

one of the

things

that they

really,

maybe

they're in

certain

supportive

of it, you

know,

racial

racialities of

it,

categories.

Washington, who back in

1911 holds out they have not only an easy

means

of making a living, but also medium.

And that's from 1911.

So this is not a new concept or a new dynamic.

If we ignore the

overall history of humanity, if we ignore sin, the core of what sin

is, and we just focus, it's easy for us to be deceived and

easy for the issue.

Now, one of the things I asked you before the first break was, what has been the

reaction to your black colleagues in ministry and affiliated

churches that would be described as you have described St. Paul's Missionary Baptist Church

of Harrisburg, traditionally African American?

What has the reaction been to your opposition to CRT and the

woke movement and the social justice warrior movement?

Well,

it's

interesting

because

that's a reaction.

The color

of my

skin, for

me,

that

that

topic

is very

easy.

Like

I'm saying,

when I do for

truth, it's because

there's evil people

out

there that, you know, like

to think about one

side of the story.

I felt that the Lord was saying that is the place that the

church has to take the forefront.

And because I don't believe that the church has done a great job at talking about

these issues at great job, I believe the enemy has come in and

he's really been able to.

Yeah.

Well, has anybody been more forceful in their opposition to what you are

saying?

My friends, one of which I have already mentioned, Darrell Bernard Harrison and Virgil Walker,

they are both black brothers who host a podcast.

At one time, it was the most listened to podcast, most listened to Christian podcast in the United States.

I don't know if they still hold that prestigious rank, but they have been called,

even by people who theologically agree with them on 99 percent of other areas.

They have been called Uncle Toms.

They have been called traitors to their race.

They have been really mocked and ridiculed and have been publicly vilified.

Has any of anything of that level approached you and your congregation?

Yeah, I've had personally, you know, I've been attacked personally, not physically attacked or anything like that.

In

fact, can

you pick up the George Floyd incident when we come back from our middle

break?

Sure.

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Before I go to any of our listener questions, you were saying right before the break

something that occurred in response to the George Floyd tragedy.

Are you there, brother?

Yes, I'm there.

I'm sorry.

Could you repeat the question?

Before the break, you said you were just beginning to say that there was something of significance that occurred

after the George Floyd tragedy in regard to your church and perhaps your church's

relationship to other predominantly black congregations.

Yeah, no, what happened was right after the George Floyd incident,

and because the

Black Lives Matter people

that I was saying there,

one of them was Uncle Tom.

They didn't actually call me Uncle Tom in so many words, but the illusion

was that they said my wife

had any of these ideas

of my own.

And I thought it was interesting because I just broke it down step by step as to why I wouldn't stand with a

number of reasons.

But I read the quote from Booker T. Washington.

People have come in to the black community doing trauma,

but yet nothing ever

gets to Black Lives Matter.

If you guys have followed it or anyone who has followed it,

whether it's Tamir Rice in Ohio, that was one of the riots that they had.

Trayvon Martin.

All these are families that actually lost a loved one.

But yet Black Lives Matter would come in as though they were coming in to help solve the issue.

They were, you know, hands up, don't shoot, and all

these other things.

But yet all of the families of these victims said that the Black Lives Matter people never even spoke to them.

You know, during the

time of, it

goes all

the way back to in Russia when they kind of

connected to the civil rights movement in America.

All for a real salute happens is they are enriched off of the

situation.

They gain power.

They gain wealth and resources and influence.

And then they leave these communities, and these communities are still dealing with the same issues they've always had.

You know, when I talked about going back beyond critical race theory, and I talked about the

Frankfurt School, you know, in Germany they had this thing called German Idealism.

And one of the, also this gentleman by the name of Hegel,

and George Wilhelm Hegel, and that's where we get the idea of Hegelian dialectic, which is problem,

reaction, solution, or thesis, anti -thesis.

And what happens is the powers that be,

and so they kind of create or capitalize off of the situation.

They anticipate the reaction, and then they are there to offer the solution.

And when they do that thing and

reconciliate

black and white, or whatever groups that they're dealing with, and then the people

to have even more stress, because can you imagine if a Black Lives Matter

came in as though they were the rescuers of the society, the

actual ills of that community are still the same.

And so now the people are even more frustrated because they're like, we had riots, we had protests, we had

all these meetings, we got all this national attention, but yet these

things and high

incarceration rates, you

have all these same issues that don't get solved because the people...

Okay, we have some listener questions.

How do you get CRT woke curriculum out of the schools?

What can a parent and or community member do?

Many schools state they are not teaching CRT, but they acknowledge gender

identity, teach SEL content, I'm not really sure what that is, and

may even support various LGBTQ clubs.

Can we get this out of our schools?

And that's from Lynn in Landisburg, Pennsylvania.

Well, I tell you, and that's a great question.

What I was able

to do

is to

have

that

dialogue.

Not only did they not want it taught in their schools, they were able to articulate their opposition to it on the

school boards, and that's why it's so important for parents to be active.

Sometimes when you have

administrators, people that are really promoting these ideologies,

and if so, if you don't offer a solution to it, if you're not able to articulate your argument in a

way,

but the ideology of

how

schools and education should work,

the pressure on the powers that be, and if you get enough parents involved, and worst -case scenario,

it has to be effective.

And when I said about Gateway, I went in and did the lecture.

Praise God.

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I know it's not exactly what we're talking about now, but since you mentioned the LBGTQ agenda,

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I think it will be quite enlightening and disturbing at the same time.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York, who says, In

your experience as a black pastor, are the congregations

in the black church at large typically as left -leaning as

the pastors often are, who may be getting brainwashed in the leftist seminaries

and Bible colleges they attend?

I have heard that in your typical black church, the congregation is

very often far more conservative in regard to the areas including abortion

and homosexuality than their own pastors are, and especially are far more

conservative and biblically faithful than those in the limelight in the media who

claim to represent the black community.

Well, that's a great question, and I would say to you, if you talk to the average African -American person, not even just the

church people, but the

average

African

-American

person is more

so very high.

A lot of times they have to offset it with social programs that they get.

So here

in the

community, I went to

the Carry Campaign

in

2004 until I had this epiphany to where I'm

a conservative.

And the reason I bring all that up is because,

and at least

give the club or

something, having a fun and just dancing

and partying or whatever, that's a long time ago, so I'm a pastor now, I don't do that kind of stuff.

And I went to the European one, do you

know why we like you guys?

And I said, why?

She said, we know that most of the time you're feeding us a line, you really don't care about us like that or whatever the case may be,

like you cared about us, and some of the other guys don't even take the time to do that.

And I would say from a political standpoint, that has been the key.

Because they don't have a connection to the community.

Sometimes when you have these riots, when they show like a Mike Brown situation, and then people outside the

community are like, why are they so mad at the police?

There have been times, and historically, that people

are saying

other than

that, that nobody

will do a good job, and really I blame the church for it, because

it's the church's job, we're supposed to go out and

detail.

We talk about the Great Commission, that's

really

just talking about various countries, but he was saying to his church that we are to go and reach out

across the ethnic and cultural lines in order to build up his church.

Amen.

I agree with you 100%.

The conservative Bible -believing churches that were

theologically sound and doctrinally sound, they really dropped the ball in this

country in regard to the civil rights movement.

They let the liberals control that movement and lead that movement.

It's a travesty.

This is what we have today in our day and age, I think largely as

a result, is that people of color are more trusting

of those who are leftist than those that are conservative.

It's really just a trap, because they really want nothing more than

enslavement for those people.

They want the people of color to be perpetuated, for them to be dependent on the state.

It's a tragedy.

I'm thrilled that there are many conservative Bible -believing and theologically sound

churches, ministries, and individuals who have changed that

situation for the better and are putting Christ and his teachings first and foremost

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Thanks for sending in a question for the first time on this program.

You are certainly revealing that you are putting

Christ and his word first and foremost, as you seek to address the

controversies of our day, including the CRT.

You mentioned earlier that the conferences that you have been, where you have been

speaking, where, although you may not have 100 of the people leaving in 100

of agreement with you, you still have people who are telling you that they are,

that they have been given a lot to think about.

You obviously have hope that there will be a change in the mindset

of many in regard to this.

Is it palpably obvious that there are pastors and churches being

transformed and changing their allegiance to satanic concepts in

these areas that you have witnessed yourself?

Yeah, I do.

I've seen

some pastors

and leaders, you

know, it's unfortunate.

Without the hope that comes from Jesus Christ and without understanding

things from a true historical,

it would be very easy.

One of the things

I'll say, and I'm

paraphrasing what they said, but I looked at the statistics,

and

they said

in 2019,

other

than just

making,.

Yeah, you were talking about the fear of some to abandon

being on the bandwagon of critical race theory and social justice warrior

mindsets, the fear of being ostracized, ridiculed, losing

positions of status and income, all kinds of reasons.

People fear men more than God.

It was, I don't know whether you could say it was hilarious or horrifying,

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Katonji Brown before being admitted

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can you define what a woman is?

And out of her fear of saying the wrong thing that was not according to the script

of leftists, she just said, no, I can't, I'm not a biologist.

And the irony of it is that that moronic statement didn't even

achieve what the leftists stand for, because they don't believe biology determines if somebody is a man or a

woman.

So it was doubly moronic and quite a horrific tragedy

that somebody like that would be added to the Supreme Court and

chosen just because of the melanin content of her skin and her

gender.

I mean, that is truly a frightening day that we have arrived at

in the 21st century.

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We have Ronald in eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, who has a question for you.

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Yeah, that's mind -boggling to me too, Dr. Green.

You have Planned Parenthood clearly being started first

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Yeah, those are good points and that's why I always talk about trauma and suffering and pain so

loud, overshadowed by

various things, that those

things become secondary issues.

The trauma and the fear that they're experiencing, the

resentment, the

trauma and pain that becomes spiritual and emotional pain.

People are looking for just a relief right now.

They don't have time to think long -term or anything like that.

You may not look at the overall picture and the long -term effects of what you're about to do right now because you're just trying to

alleviate this pain that you're experiencing right now.

So sometimes that is the case, many times.

And there's a lot more people that aren't for abortion, but they don't want to impose that view on other people, which is

unfortunate.

There's a lot of people that understand how dangerous it is for gun control because historically black people

have been Second Amendment proponents.

I have two grandfathers from the Deep South, that both of them were very staunch Second Amendment proponents.

Why the church is so important and the body of Christ is so important because until on a regular individual

basis, we begin and we

develop relationships and

friendships and places

inside of us.

The Lord really clearly spoke to my heart and said, Do you want to win an argument or do you want to win a soul?

Do you want to be effective?

That's why it's so important to have these conversations, to reach out and to talk to people and to find out what

they're experiencing and to find out why it is that they are going in the path that they do.

Because a lot of people are just looking for temporary fixes to kind of quiet the pain and the

trauma that they're experiencing.

In fact, I believe it was Ronald who asked the last question in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island.

I strongly urge you to spread this link to

all the folks that you know and perhaps even especially your black friends and neighbors

and brothers and sisters in Christ.

Maafa21 .com, and that's M as in Michael, A, A, F as in Frank, A, 21 .com.

It's a remarkable, mind -blowing documentary.

So I'm hearing you saying yes in the background.

I'm assuming you saw this, Dr. Green.

Yes, I'm very familiar with it.

Oh, great.

Well, it's basically revealing the racist roots of Planned

Parenthood and the abortion industry in general being totally tied in with the

eugenics movement, the movement to create a pure white race

by eradicating blacks and other minorities from existence and

the ties with Margaret Sanger, who was an avowed racist,

even had Nazis writing for her magazine before World War II.

Amazing stuff.

And that's M, A, A, F, A, 21 .com.

And it's interesting.

You were talking about the fear that people have, fear of men rather than obeying God.

There was a black deacon I met years ago when this was a new

documentary, Maafa21.

By the way, for those of you listening, that is a Swahili word that means genocide.

And I said, you've got to show this to your pastor and maybe have your whole congregation watch this.

He came back to me about a week later, and he said, yeah, I saw that.

That's some mind -blowing stuff you showed me there, but I can't give it to my pastor.

He's not ready for it.

And I said, he's not ready for it?

That's proof that he needs to see it more than anybody.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, I want you to have a minute where you can summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today,

Dr. Green.

Well, I hope everyone, hopefully that your listeners, all those who are, you know, a

lot of the times, you know, we're limited in times of trying to answer things and give as much as I can.

But, you know, it's the depth of the information I think that really helps people.

But at the end of the day, when we recognize

that, but also we

equip ourselves with what is happening in the world around us as well so we can speak to those issues.

You know, I'm always amazed that even the day of Pentecost, in Acts chapter 2, the birth of the church, they weren't amazed at

the Holy Spirit falling like tongues of fire or a mighty rushing wind.

They weren't amazed about that.

They were amazed because all these nations on the earth were there

as a precursor to what God's ultimate goal is in the book of Revelation.

It says every tribe and every tongue will gather together.

Our community

and culture and understand

their issues

as well in order for us

to really effectively,

fortunate that we are being reactionary other than proactive out

there, because those who are really sincere about advancing the kingdom of God and

really trying to tackle these issues from a biblical perspective, have already

been taken care of.

It's time to do all that we can do to be effective in advancing these messages.

That's the Reason for Belief Apologetics Conference, May 20th through the 22nd at Church of the Living Christ.

To register, go to churchofthelivingchrist .cc.

Churchofthelivingchrist .cc.

I want to thank Dr. Green for doing such a remarkable job.

I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a

far, far greater Savior than you are a sinner.