Leaving the SBC - An Interview with Pastor Casey Butner

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Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Justin Peters. I hope that this finds you and your family doing well today

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I want to thank you so much for joining me for this podcast I'm interviewing Casey Butner today the pastor of Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida outside of Orlando I've interviewed

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Casey several times before on this channel talking about the problems in the

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SPC and Specifically First Baptist Church Orlando and more on that later

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But in this program we'll primarily be talking about the SPC as a whole and Casey went to the

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Southern Baptist Convention a couple of weeks ago as of this recording and Came back took some of his members as messengers with him, but came back with the

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Absolute conviction that they must leave the SPC. There's just they realize that there is no way of Riding the ship it is too far gone

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There is undeniable Liberal drift we're gonna talk about all of that and at this point it is a violation of his conscience for he and his church for him and his church to Remain affiliated with the

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SPC and so we're gonna talk about all those reasons He's gonna talk about what he witnessed at the

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Southern Baptist Convention the things that were done the compromise all of these things He's gonna get drilled down into a lot of specifics

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Throughout this video. I will insert some clips From the Southern Baptist Convention so you can see what he is talking about for yourself

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It is undeniable and I want you to watch this video And I'm hoping that this will be a helpful tool

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For a lot of other churches out there because I know that there are some good Southern Baptist churches that are pastored by some good men.

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Some of these men are friends of mine But and I know a lot of these men a lot of these brothers.

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They they see the same things That I do that Casey does that so many others do that really all of the conservatives in the

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SPC See they see these issues, but and it has become at this point.

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It is so undeniable that it has become An issue with their conscience,

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I think a lot of these faithful men faithful pastors in the SPC I think they realize that there is no way to right the ship.

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They realize that That they really need to get out, but they don't know how to get out

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They don't know how to really educate their their congregation their flock to make them aware of The problems that are in the

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SPC. So I'm hoping that this interview will be a helpful tool For that and for those purposes, so if you're one of those brothers if you are if you see these issues and you know

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That it's time to go and you know that there's just no way for the SPC To be saved and for the for the direction to be changed to use that phraseology

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Then please do watch this video share the link with people in your church have them watch it

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Please do watch it all the way through there's a lot here I know it's kind of a long interview, but there's a lot here and I think and I hope and pray it will be helpful

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And and I take no joy in this you'll hear me say this interview in the interview I take no joy that the SPC has come to this point

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I say that as someone who was in the SPC for the first 37 years of my life

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But this is just the reality of the fact and also at the end of the video

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I will tease an upcoming video that will be further Proof of everything that we're saying and in in shocking quite honestly

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So anyway, that'll be at the end. That's all I'll say about that right now. Okay. Thank you very much dear ones without any further delay

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Here's Casey Well Casey brother, thank you very much for coming back on my program you're starting to be a regular guest here, but I really appreciate your friendship and Especially your stand for truth.

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And so the reason you are back with me today is To talk about the decision you've made regarding you and your church as to your

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Participation or lack thereof in the in the SPC whether or not that will continue you preached a sermon this past Sunday as of this recording on What was it

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June 26? from 1st Timothy 1 18 through 19 entitled the truth about the

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SPC and You preach this right on the heels of returning from the

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Southern Baptist Convention in Anaheim, California so Brother, I'll leave it with you.

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Tell us tell us your thoughts What do you experience at the convention and the decision that you and your church have made

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Well, certainly, it's great to be back Justin and I'm very thankful for our messengers that went with me to the

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Southern Baptist Convention and we decided to hold back some of our cooperative funds so that we could send a full roster to the convention and We felt that was a wise decision because the

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North American Mission Board was using Cooperative funds the last year to send their church planters and such

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So if our money was going towards that anyway but being forwarded towards a narrative that we didn't agree with Then obviously the best thing to do would be to be able to vote the best that you possibly could

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So nevertheless, we took a full roster up there and I'm so thankful for the men that came

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The whole convention was wrapped with joy because of the extended time with these guys and in fact

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We went up early and went to Grace Community Church and got to meet Tom MacArthur and talk with him

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We went to Phil Johnson's Bible study there Just a few people in attendance somewhere around 800 to a thousand in his

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Sunday school class Right, that's a big question Yes, it's great. He wasn't speaking.

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Votie Bachman was scheduled to speak. His flight was delayed But Mike Riccardi knocked it out of the park

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Yeah, could not have been more impressed. I love Mike Riccardi. He is a good good brother and just one of the finest expositors you'll find anywhere

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Yeah, so I'm glad you got to hear him. I'm glad Yes So we had such a good time at Grace Community Church We were all looking at each other and this small rental car

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Imagine a bunch of guys packed in a small rental vehicle going back to our hotel and it kind of dawned on us

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I wonder if the Lord has kind of blessed us up front because he knows what we're going into Right, well

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Did we ever Experience that, you know

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Nashville was a fiasco And we just saw the same things again and again and again there in Anaheim and from Our messengers perspective so that perhaps it wouldn't be tainted to maybe new viewers

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These guys have you know I believe one had been to an annual convention before and so three guys.

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It was their first time and Them going to see the same things that we are discerning was very affirming so the term shenanigans

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You know wrong This has been hijacked These types of Phrases were being muttered there as we're in there.

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It's like so it's very obvious when the moderator has the ability to turn off a microphone and ignore a messenger and then

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Place the emphasis towards another direction and you're sitting in the crowd and you're like well

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That's not Robert rules of order or that's not parliamentary procedure. That was actually very rude and To see these things

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Was very disheartening for the messengers and so we were really grateful for the excitement the joy that we had around the long meetings, but you know, you mentioned the title of last week's message and I came home and We all flew back in the first thing that we had an opportunity to do

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Was to put our messengers up on Wednesday night on a panel discussion before our people and allow them to share what?

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they saw what they heard and in how they Saw it and so I gave them the first opportunity to speak and so they went right down the line and shared with our church for their congregation and and then at the end

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We had one of our members raises hand and asked, you know What I felt about it all because everything that I'm fixing to share is the same thing and maybe even more from what they had shared and So I replied and said,

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I don't know if I can Fit how I feel and just one little reply. So I shared some and I said,

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I'll tell you what Sunday I'll just do a full disclosure and There on a

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Wednesday night we all unanimously agreed that we should leave the

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SPC and so our Wednesday night core, we have a strong Wednesday night

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Bible study and They are they've been educated along the way.

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I have not withheld details from them over the years I've shared with them the truth and We value truth truth is paramount when you lose, you know faith and trust in someone you lose trust and truth

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You lose everything. Yeah, so nevertheless I've always been 100 % honest and in fact on that note

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When I when I speak with what I would call Yesteryear's lay greats in the

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SPC's those who have been around for a long time they have handled issues well in the past behind closed doors and they've addressed things that done

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Matthew 18, you know to the best of my knowledge and always spoken

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Positively at the pulpit So in handling things that way in the yesteryear's era

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Seem to do okay But now with the advent of social media when a teenager can tweet or text or post anything from anywhere and you

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Know everything around the world You have to be transparent. You have to tell the truth.

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You cannot conceal Anything. Otherwise, you're perceived as a liar and not telling the truth or ignorant

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And that's what I see by and large happening with good guys with pastors who are genuinely

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Good and older and faithful to the Lord, but those are rare Compared to the

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SPC elites and I'd like to share, you know, some of my thoughts and as we go through these topics

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Basically, it's just simply going to skip right across the surface on the tip of the iceberg Right of each bird.

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I wouldn't say right and so my aim and this would be simply to give some information

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For folks to be able to research for themselves and know exactly why I'm leaving the

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SPC I want nothing to do with the direction of the Southern Baptist Convention.

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Not only are the means Corrupted but also the ends are corrupted and we'll talk about that But it's very clear to me and we've given it our very best shot for years now

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But I'm telling you truth has been replaced with tolerance By and large and also we're now being called to unity at any cost and that's a high cost

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Yes, that's right. And in unity at the expense of truth is a false sense of unity

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Mm -hmm. Yep. That's exactly right. So one of our messengers is

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Retired from the Navy and He just gave the best illustration and I can't help but share it with you now

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He's a man a few words, but he's very smart It's very articulate and when he was asked his thoughts of the whole thing after we were leaving and coming back said well

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This SPC ship is headed fast in the wrong direction. It's got too small of a rudder to turn it around Hmm.

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Yeah I felt that very insightful and pretty good illustrations.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I Would kind of go a little bit farther in in my own assessment and say that it's shipwrecked

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Yeah, it's it's it's it's beyond being being able to salvage and we had another

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Attender on our Wednesday night say this. Do you think instead of the

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SPC? Waning off in its attendance. Do you think it'll grow because of its?

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Alignment with the world and I thought that that was a very insightful thought as well

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Obviously, it was a panel discussion. You got questions that can be being asked and if that perhaps happens

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Justin I want nothing to do with that kind of success. I Want nothing to do with partnering with the world in all these worldly Philosophies and easy believism tactics for numbers.

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Yeah, I don't want to do with it. So, you know It's it's it's not an easy decision

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Being Southern Baptist raised educated and and how grateful

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I am for Everything that I in my family have benefited as being a part of the

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Southern Baptist Convention is not taken lightly. I was called By dr.

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Gerald Hicks when I was at New Orleans Baptist theological seminary, and he said Casey I pastor powers drive

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Baptist Church You you know me. Well, you were called to preach and drink my ministry and I'm getting to be an old man

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This church needs a young man once you consider coming and so in the process of two years later the church called me to be their pastor and so now we've sold that facility merged in with fuel of the

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Baptist Church and I've been here for five years now and It's a wonderful church

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I absolutely love my pastorate and I love the people and I love wherever Matt and By the way this church that we've merged in with four years ago if you look at this church is on the oldest property for a church in Central Florida and so our church is over a hundred years old.

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It's a historic church we've got a historic Chapel and the historic cemetery and Everything is is a part of history here.

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And so this is no easy decision when it comes to My history with the

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Southern Baptist and also the church so Obviously, there's two decisions here

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I've announced Sunday that I want not to be a Southern Baptist pastor.

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I just want to be your pastor I'm content with pastoring my local flock and feeding you guys according to 1st

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Peter 5 2 and and And I love being involved in our local association And I love what

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God is doing here and we can do missions personally, we have a missionary coming this

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Sunday and He's going to preach and I believe our church is going to vote to support this family going to South America To plant churches and win people to Christ and then what's going to happen is

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We're hopefully going to be able to build up a surplus so that we can fly this family back once in a while For time here in Central, Florida and then as well we'll take mission trips with this family to South America So we're going to have a personal missionary doing personal testimonies

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We can personally minister to him and his family and also take personal mission trips and do this

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And so one of the largest questions I've received as I've been interacting with a lot of pastors is what are you going to do?

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How are you going to do missions? That's an easy solution.

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So nevertheless, there should not be any hesitancy regarding how we will Exist or continue on as a church without a convention

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Yeah and I'm glad you brought that up case because I that in talking to Doctrinally sound pastors who are in the

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SPC and they're struggling with you know, like they their convictions They know they need to leave.

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They know the SPC is beyond hope. It's as I said as I say, it's it's Not headed for God's judgment.

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It's under God's judgment This is what judgment looks like and I want us I want to get to these particulars real soon

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But that's one of the common objections. Well What about missions, you know, it's it's like they can't conceive of doing missions outside of the

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SPC outside of the cooperative program North American Mission Board International Mission Board, they just can't conceive of it and yet you can do missions outside of The SPC, you know our church we have

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Missionaries that we just support exactly like what you're talking about we we have missionaries that we send a check to and we support them and we hear from them we know what they're doing and There's no middleman

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Yeah It's really beautiful. I I think too there's a result that has happened from being codependent on a corporate program and That is that is this it has said to our people 50 ,000 churches nearly that the way you do missions is you give and sit

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But that's not the Great Commission the Great Commission Actually being on mission yourself.

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And so giving and going is the commission to make disciples and so each of us are called to be part of the

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Great Commission and so we have Christians who are not engaged in the

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Great Commission, but See what I'm saying? You want more for them to be engaged in the gospel rather than just giving and paying someone else to do their jobs

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Left I'd like to read 1st Timothy 1 18 and 19 and this is the commandment that I entrust unto you

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Timothy My son in accordance with the prophecies previously made concerning you that by them you fight the good fight

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That's what I feel like we're doing We're fighting the good fight here keeping faith in a good conscience, which

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I have Which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.

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Now This idea of being shipwrecked is what I the image that I have in my mind and Right attached to this concept in verse 20.

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There's two names that follow this so among these are I'm in this and Alexander a lot of folks are afraid of naming names and I don't want anybody to be afraid of Names because we're fixing to get into the details and in the scriptures

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We have a lot of names that are named and in fact 2nd

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Timothy 1 15 modulus and Hermogenes were named by name for turning away from the gospel and in 2nd

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Timothy 2 17 you have hymenaeus and Philetus who were gossiping and that was equated to gangrene and then 2nd

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Timothy 3 8 to 13 You have two people who opposed Moses and opposed the truth.

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That was Janice and Jamboree's Yeah, and then in 2nd Timothy 4 10 You've got Demas who loved this present world and departed from Paul and then in 414

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You've got Alexander who did much harm So yeah, this is just one book with a ton of names especially those who were

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Involved in ministry and Again, those who are in ministry are held to a higher account.

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And so just to cover our basis I want to read 1st Timothy 5 19 and 20 do not receive an accusation

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Against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses those who continue in sin rebuke in the presence of all and This is just simply what we're doing we have not two or three witnesses, but an overwhelming amount of evidence

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To all of the things that we're going to talk about and then after you rebuke them in the presence of all there's just so That which is two of my favorite words in the

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Bible so that the rest will be fearful of sinning What we're doing is actually helping the health of churches and individual people so that they would see not how to sin and So when we call it out, it's clearly

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Known what is right and wrong and right now we have a huge moderate position taking over the

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SBC and they're Calling themselves Conservatives, but it's anything but the word conservative has been hijacked in the

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SBC the same way the word Rainbow has been hijacked for the

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LG EQ and so the conservatives would call themselves conservatives, but they're moderates and they

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Completely justify sin and everything that we're going to talk about. I have talked about these specifics with a lot of notable pastors with a lot of the right people and have just simply determined that And and by the grace of God have been at the right place at the right time at the convention at churches at meetings conventions, whatever

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Conferences to be able to talk to a lot of the right people that SBC elites most would call and when you see that this moderate position this affirming position this

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Excuses them of sin position this narrative this Embracement of critical race theory that's unwilling to address women pastors.

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That's unwilling to address plagiarism It's unwillingness to hold For accountability, you name it.

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All of these things are swept underneath the rug you think to yourself okay,

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I'm just seeing the tip of all of these icebergs and These guys are in alignment.

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I see where the SBC is going These guys are not going anywhere

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Soon, it would take the rest of my career I'm 42 it take another 40 years to Climb up the ranks to try and make any difference in the

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Southern Baptist Convention and by that time, you know No telling where it would be. Yeah, I've been recommended to the

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Florida Baptist Convention three or four times now to be on the state board of missions and it's been completely ignored and So not even a phone call back or anything so it's

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That's the way the system is and if it is that way which it is there is just simply

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No reason for me to stick around and try to Help it get in the right direction

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Especially when it's so polluted and it's heading there fast I want nothing to do with the means and the ends right now so nevertheless,

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I was encouraged by Charles Spurgeon's life when he was fighting against the great downgrade the downgrade of the

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Baptist Union yeah, and Unfortunately, most who knew him then said that he died of a broken heart.

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It literally affected his health and that liberal downgrade was just awful for him and Justin you know one of the previous interviews we've talked about First Baptist Orlando We've talked about all these things in the

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SVC. These things are really are rottenness to the bones Yeah, and people suffer when they see it for what it is and then they're a part of it the ache and they

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Agonize they pray they want to be a part and then when you're swept underneath the rug and ignored it's

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Terrible so nevertheless this whole thing is going in a direction and Honestly theologically especially with soteriology especially with exposition of preaching correctly,

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I going in the opposite direction for a long time and see it clearly that Everything is geared and affirmed and through pragmatism

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You have all of these worldly philosophies that the Krypton in every area. So I Announced Sunday.

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I'm done I'm out and I'm yours. I'm the local churches.

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So now I get to give you some details. So All right

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Okay, so let's do that first I'm just so glad that you you made that decision and this is what your church is going to do

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It's the right thing to do and in keeping with the ship analogy I've been telling people that that the

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SVC is under the judgment of God that this is a ship that God himself is sinking and It's time for the good guys to realize it that you don't want to be holding on to a ship

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That God is taking down You want to let that ship go but anyway, so right let's go through let's go through some of these specifics as to why

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Why you've come to this decision? right on so We we've read in the scriptures where elders and pastors are to be rebuked in the presence of all so we'll talk

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You know about some of the things that Ed Litton JD Greer James Merritt even Tony Evans Rick Warren Kevin Eazell Johnny Hunt more have done and been involved in and now even the

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SVC president Bart Barber and He publicly affirmed

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Rick Warren and all of what Rick said it was rather shameful to see that Ed Litton would abandon his moderation duties and Really start a minning and Affirming Rick Warren as he was speaking and give the floor to Rick Warren out of Parliamentary procedure and give him an amount of time.

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So it was Brilliant on hit while shutting down Tom and Jennifer Buck Not letting us talk but giving

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Rick Warren free reign What a shame So you've got good pastors like Tom Buck and many others who are asking good solid questions about plagiarizing women pastors and Litton was rude

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We're in the habit of from time to time plagiarizing sermon content

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Which is prohibited by all Seminaries sir, that is not the point of this

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That is not the point of this discussion at this moment And he cut them off and he said they were out of order which that's not out of order

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Yeah, that's a good solid question that that that adheres to our Baptist faith and message and Ethics and everything so in Scripture But he cut him off and moved on and then gives the floor to Rick Warren Rick Warren you know, he knows how to appeal to the world and The world is craving a victimhood mentality and that's how he opened up he said, you know

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Die a man is fixing to get hung should have some last words here and it was funny and everybody laughed and giggled or whatnot, but it just showed the temperature or the aura of the room and how they also prayed to advocate for Those who are maybe disenfranchised are done wrong supposedly in this movement he played right into that Philosophy and he had the room literally listening on pins and needles for those few minutes and I looked around and everyone loved what he was saying

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But he was just simply bragging on himself as if God needed him and the

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SPC needed him To train 1 .1 million pastors, which he said was more than all of the seminaries this gross braggadocious approach was celebrated

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By the messengers, which tells me very clearly That there's an idol which

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I've been calling out for a long time in the SPC. That's numbers and bigness, yeah, and So when that is celebrated

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And you're ignoring that he has ordained women for pastors when you're ignoring that he is developing a theological connection between Evangelicalism in the

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Muslim faith when you're ignoring these things that he stands for and is doing and Yet celebrate the numbers

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So if you say the right things and you quote the right numbers, you can literally get away with anything

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That you want it's especially if it's unscriptural So nevertheless it came back and I shared with our church

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That those who could potentially make a difference as messengers who hold up, you know

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Their ballot they make resolutions and they come and they share their voices or whatnot they also crave this idol of numbers and It's clear that not only the

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SPC elites Right, and then the megachurch pastors that I've spoken to not all of them, but most of them are unwilling moderates and Then now you have the messengers

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They're all headed in this direction And Rick Warren could be kind of stereotypical of the direction that the

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SPC is going So that would be one reason that I I'm going

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely Absolutely, and Rick, you know Rick Warren. I'm struck by that.

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He says that he's trained 1 .1 million pastors Someone had a meme up.

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I don't know who but it's basically said that the only way for that to even be possible like if you're if you walked past a

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Bookshelf with the purpose -driven life on if you just walk past it then you got trained to be a pastor I mean, that's about the only way it'd be

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Possible to train that number. So you're qualified if you you know Pass by I want to I want to put this up and post at it

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But this is a tweet from Rick Warren. Now. This is after the convention He says is life wearing you down That's question is life wearing you down Jesus come to me all who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest

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Matthew 11 28 that is so stunningly out of context so after Rick Warren, this is after the convention after Rick Warren brags about training pastors and This is his exegesis it so what kind of training are we talking about here and this is like I Could give you thousands of examples of Rick Warren grossly taking scripture out of context

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So it right. No, I mean that is not talking Matthew 11 28 Jesus is not talking about if you're you know

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If you got problems at the job and the boss is making you mad and you you know You're your dog won't quit barking and you know life's getting to you.

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That's not what this is talking about so No wonder the

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SPC is in such a sad state of affairs that this is a kind of training That he's talking about.

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It's just absolutely stunning Yeah, did you know the secular media dubbed him as America's pastor?

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Yeah Yeah, so in order for that to happen they know That he's a universalist an interfaith guy.

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Yeah, and that's the only way that you could be dubbed America's pastor Yeah, I described

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Rick Warren and I don't want to spend all our time on him, but he is a theological chameleon

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He is whoever his audience is on that particular occasion If he's at the

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SPC, he's he's touting his SPC credentials if he's with John Piper He's reading the

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Puritans if he's at the 2006 Azusa Centennial celebration, which is the beginning of the you know charismatic movement there

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Big hundred -year shindig that they had to celebrate the charismatic debacle if he's there he's talking about tongues and he's he's hamming it up with Kenneth Copeland and Word faith false teachers.

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He's word of faith if he's at the Islamic Society of North America And the very fact that he was invited there speaks volumes about how he's perceived

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This is a convention full of Muslims thousands of Muslims have gathered there and they invite

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Rick Warren to come in and be their speaker never in a million years would they invite someone like John MacArthur or Steve Lawson or Bodhi Balcombe or Any of these guys to come in and preach because they know that those men would come in and give them the gospel

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But they had no fears of Rick Warren doing that and sure enough. He didn't I watched the whole thing

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In fact at one point he says, you know, we need to love each other and he says love is a verb

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Love is something you do. It's something that we do together.

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Love is a verb. Now as the two largest faiths on this planet,

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Muslims and Christians, we must lead in this. Show each other love what what the greatest expression of love is telling them the truth

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What better opportunity to present the gospel Than in front of thousands of Muslims if he really loved these people, that's what he would have done

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He would have given them gospel, but did he? Nope, not even not even tangentially. Did he present the gospel, you know?

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It's just oh when he's being interviewed by EWTN the Roman Catholic Channel, he talks about how

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Pope Francis is our Pope. Authenticity Humility Pope Francis is the perfect example of this

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He is a he is doing everything, right? you see people will listen to what we say if they like what they see and As as our new

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Pope he was very very symbolic in fact There's a headline here in Orange County and I love the headline.

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I saved it. It said if you love Pope Francis, you'll love Jesus It was a headline

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I saved that I showed it to a group of priests I was speaking to a while back Mm -hmm.

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Yeah, no You know, so he he changes his theology like we change ourselves

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Wow and you know that's really worth mentioning because a lot of Southern Baptist pastors who are

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By and large trusting of the convention or not attending the convention for various reasons

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They've always loved and trusted Rick Warren He's been a lot of you know

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Whom everybody has rallied around and this may be new news to some pastors

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And it needs to get out so that we can see the truth That's one of the biggest problems right now is how everything has been kept confusing but Ed Litton gave him the floor and Now a little bit about Ed Litton.

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I was Really, you know floor the fact that he has been able to plagiarize so many sermons and get away with it we're moving them off of his website to the tune of a hundred or more and then also he was

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Espousing a false doctrine of the Trinity before he was a candidate to be the

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SBC president and he fixed that website before and and so that is the definition of hiding and lying and Then it says well

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He was a coke He was co -pastoring the church with his wife and she spoke with him

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And then at the same time the one of the sermons a plagiarized was JD Greer's, you know message on Saying that homosexuality will not send you to hell

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Assuming it's hard for LGBTQ people to get to heaven early. We go wrong thinking LGBT people can't go to heaven

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Homosexuality does not send you to hell You know how I know that because Heterosexuality does not send you to heaven

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Homosexuality does not send people to hell. How do I know that because heterosexuality doesn't send people to heaven

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So nevertheless, I'm floored at how all of these compiled sins are

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Very blatant and obvious and yet there's so much cover for him

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You know the tip of every single seminary like you've already mentioned inviting him as an example to speak in chapel and so for the 40 ,000

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SBC theological students to see Ed Litton on display as a

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Model pastor. Here's what you can get away with and here's what we want to endorse

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It's gross and when I thought it's shameful and when

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I talk to very elite pastors They give him cover

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When I talk to you can make a difference they speak highly of him

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I'm floored and when I ask about these things it's like they just slide right around it and they continue with a positive glazed over approach and Proverbs 28 13 says want the one who conceals his sins will not prosper

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So I just want nothing to do with this It has literally been

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Rottenness to my bones to think through these things. It's been heart -wrenching and by the way as a side note when

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I spoke with Dr. Hicks Whom I followed he was highly involved in the convention, especially our state convention and And he asked the right questions he's getting older now and and I try not to share too much with him because I don't want his

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Heart to ache at his age knows the right questions to ask and so I give them the answers and He wept

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He just absolutely Wept over the phone and he said Casey my beloved convention whom

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I've loved My entire career is no more and Through his tears.

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He said I too if I were in your shoes would be doing the same thing.

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Yeah he stands for righteousness and is not tolerating all of this wickedness and Some time ago our church drew a line in the sand

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And that is where God's line in the sand is and that's homosexuality We we decided to the church that when nothing is being done about Homosexuality we're out.

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And so now we've had James Merritt tweet an approval of his homosexual

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Sons sermon and say that was faithful to the gospel. Yeah, and not not to interrupt you

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But since you brought him up He has a he had a tweet Righted I think it was the last day of the convention

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I think it was I'll put it up and post it and he said there is No doctrinal drift in the

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SPC none Ignore anyone who says otherwise No doctrinal drift in SPC this coming from the man who in as you just said endorsed a sermon preached by his son who is a

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Homosexual as being faithful to the gospel and I've listened to that sermon painfully three times because I did a video

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There's not the faintest hint of the gospel anywhere in that sermon, right? But there's no doctrinal drift in SPC.

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Trust us Yeah, unbelievable Go ahead You're exactly right.

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And this is going to lead up to the bombshell that you shared with me So now you have James Merritt a prior

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SPC president and still a predominant pastor in the SPC JD Greer saying homosexuality will not send you to hell and Lytton saying homosexuality will not send the hell send you to hell and now

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Bart Barber, I know the new president and Yeah, absolutely floored and You discovered that he said that when eight years ago

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Yes 2014 do you have those in front of you there a chance? Yeah.

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Yep. So his tweets You know, I just I don't have these in order here and So I doubt anyone at the

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ERLC believes that all non Silhouette gay people endure an eternity in hell

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I don't get it self -avowed practicing homosexuals can be saved without repenting.

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What's the point of the ERLC? Let's see Jacob repenting does not equal perfect.

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I repent of getting angry So here's a conflation between getting angry and being a homosexual.

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I repent of getting angry I wind up getting angry again, but I'm not going to hell for that Homosexuality Practice is a sin.

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I believe that arrogance is a sin so there again the conflating between arrogance and homosexuality is a downplaying of homosexuality and here it is

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I believe that but Being a serial boaster is not enough to send you to hell apart from the gospel

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But if you've been saved by grace serial boasting will not send you to hell

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Nor will sexual sin including homosexuality Yeah So to say that homosexuality will not send you to hell is just Contrary to the plain scriptures.

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I mean it doesn't even take Observation interpretation and application to figure that out, right?

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Right. So, you know first first Corinthians 6 9 through 11 is not unclear

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It's not unclear So, yeah so the the previous two presidents at SBC the newly elected current president of the

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SBC and I went to seminary with Bard he was a couple years ahead of me, but I Yeah, I was

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I was quite honestly stunned when I saw that, you know to bring these things up.

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I Want to be very careful You know, there's there's these allegations going around of angry

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Baptist or crazy uncle's like that that is so far away from Who I am my predisposition is joy

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I'm a happy -go -lucky guy. I love my calling. I love my life.

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I love my family. I love my church and and so I am generally a very happy guy and Right now

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I'm not angry. I'm hurt I've got a life. I'm invested in this.

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I see the truth clearly and Nobody who is in a position to do something about it is salvaging the

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Southern Baptist Convention. In fact, all of this is going in a sinful direction.

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It breaks my heart and When I have conversation after conversation after conversation

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That continuously goes down the moderate or appeasing direction or just stick it out case.

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It'll be all right You know and glazing over these facts That are just rooted in sin

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Spreads like gangrene and never stop and if we don't address these things and bring it to a repentance and root it out

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It's just going to continue to get worse and worse and worse So there's nothing about me. That's angry except for the broken -hearted

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Not except if here's where it is. I'm just broken -hearted in that. I don't see

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The right pastors doing the right things now. I have had a ton of pastors come and say

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You you guys are really getting the truth out It took a lot of courage to do that and let me tell you

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I appreciate it And so there's a lot who shake my hand There's a lot of good pastors who are saying we need more this truth out there because this is what's going to help

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The people in the pews it's going to help the churches Yeah, so Nevertheless, I'm a believer in the truth and won't compromise or shrink back from it.

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Right, right and as David said in the Psalms Psalm 119 104 from your precepts.

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I get perception. Therefore. I hate every false way in other words So from your word,

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I get perception understanding. Therefore. I hate every false way so The only reason we hate

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Sin hate error as Christians is because we love the truth. And if you love the truth, therefore you hate what is error, but You and I Casey we've talked a lot people have heard us on these videos you and I've talked a lot behind the scenes

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We have nothing but love for Homosexuals and we it's just that we love them enough to tell them the truth

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All right, you love them enough to tell them the truth. We love them enough to tell them there is freedom in the gospel

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But if you're still in that sin Scripture could not be more clear.

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You will not inherit the kingdom of God So it the only hatred is those is coming from those who know the truth, but won't tell them

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That's hatred Yeah It sure is and we have it in the highest positions right now in the

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SBC and so Along with that being the line in the sand that God draws

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Obviously, there's no other reason why God rained down, you know, hellfire brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah than for homosexuality that Sin and then in Romans 1 where the mind is turned over to a depraved mind

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God doesn't turn Ones over to a depraved mind for anything else other than that sin.

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So that seems to be clear It's God's line in the sand. And so we as a church decided that's our line in the sand as well

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And as we went to the convention that was not even brought up. I mean

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Completely swept underneath the rug and now you've got another president Who clearly for a long time has believed the same you can only expect for it to continue to spread and get worse

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So nevertheless, the writing is on the wall and when I see

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Ed Litton not only peddling these things but also Bringing in Tony Evans Who you know is woke.

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He's espousing this KRT kingdom race theory and Anyone out there that wants to Google kingdom race theory and Tony Evans.

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You can see the videos for yourself. I'll warn you though it's very

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Slick If you are an average Christian and you do not know how to do inductive

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Bible study You will hear Scriptures quoted well, but out of context, you know, you will just of scripture that sounds very appealing to the aura of the world today and Put in a context to where you're like, wow

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I get it and he is leading people to being woke very very convincingly so never he basically espouses the fact that critical race theory is addressing the the racism in the fabric of America in the systems and the economic systems in the political systems and all of the

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Structures, so he takes critical race theory and he clearly says that is a

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Marxist philosophy and He takes that and he says in our day we've added the

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BLM movement and organization to it, but he Differentiates between the

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Black Lives Matter movement and the Black Lives Matter Organization he says the organization and he's right

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That is against the nuclear family and for LGBTQ So he's separate that From the

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Black Lives Matter movement and says we need the movement we need folks to know that black lives matter any conflates that with Anglo or whites or conservatives who say unborn babies lives matter

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Yeah, so very convincing and how it lumps these things together and then he brings in the 1619 project and Says that America wasn't founded in 1776 it was founded in 1619 and the reason

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America was founded was so that white people can get wealthy off the backs of the slaves

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That's how America was Established that's why that is the definition of America and so the laws that were made to protect those who are getting wealthy were made at the expense of black people so the very fabric and everything in America is woke and what that logically leads to is the evil left politicals agenda to Completely crush and annihilate and destroy

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America and rebuild it in a communist way Yes, it's real real fast and he substantiates using a

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Marxist theory to prove his point and then he adds it to the gospel and he misrepresents

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Galatians chapter 2 I'm Floored at how well he's able to say it in a convincing way, but it is so wrong

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So he says that Paul did racial reconciliation to the racist

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Peter in Galatians chapter 2 verses 11 and following And it is not about racial reconciliation.

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No, I'm I'm floored. look, Galatians chapter 2 in verse 5 is saying Paul condemns

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Peter for his racism against the Gentiles and he says to him, you are not acting in concert with the truth of the gospel.

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And it is not about racial reconciliation. No, I'm I'm floored.

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look, Galatians chapter 2 in verse 5 is saying that it's the truth of the gospel

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That's the context of this passage Galatians chapter 2 in verse 14 about the truth of the gospel

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So the essence here is that Peter was shrinking back from the newly converted

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Gentiles and Gravitating to the Judaizers and in doing so his

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Association with them was saying to the Gentiles that we need to add the law to the gospel

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And so therefore Paul noticed that the gospel is compromised here in their mind

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Peter Don't shrink back This is not good. And so Paul corrected him.

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That's the context here. It's so easy to write that Absolutely, but yeah

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Galatians is this is it's not about It doesn't have anything to do with race for one thing.

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I mean and to quote Daryl Harrison and Virgil Walker, you know, they say races don't reconcile

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Hearts reconcile where we're reconciled to the gospel. That's the reconciliation We're reconciled to God I should say to God through the gospel, but there's only one race anyway

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There's only one race there aren't many races There's there's one race one.

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That's it. So this was a theological issue. This was a gospel issue in Galatians not and It was not about Rick quote -unquote race

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Yes, and to continue on this thread you would take and say, okay

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Average Christians could easily be fooled by this because it seems right on the surface

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The scripture sounds good. You're loving your brethren. You want everybody to be unified?

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This is the the claim. This is what's being set forward. However a Worldly Marxist theory cannot be mixed with scripture to guide our lives, right?

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It's Going to end up right never ever ever ever and this gets to the sufficiency of scripture that the

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SPC is completely abandoned yes, exactly and That when you're talking about not only

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Galatians chapter 2 being misinterpreted But the whole book of Philemon and the purpose of that was not for the abolition of slavery

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Right. No, so nevertheless, they missed the theme there and I hope that your

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Average Christian would just sit back and be a good Berean believer take what's being said and Bring it home and compare it to the scriptures and read them for yourself and do inductive

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Bible study and study For yourself and right we divide it now Not only do our

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SPC elites espouse all of this but underneath the leadership of Kevin Ezell at the

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North American Mission Board you have Send material that now includes the critical race theory and intersectionality content

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Most notably it is known as the great requirement So the great requirement is what they're calling it and that has been added to the

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Great Commission and so Mr. Lewis here himself is a social justice warrior and he espouses the great requirement and it includes social justice and economic justice in our efforts to evangelize and plant churches

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So now you ask why are you leaving Casey? Well, our very church planting network is

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Compromised and how we share the gospel and they say that Our Southern Baptist Convention will the

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Southern Baptist Convention I'm the only thing in our is going to be mostly made of church plants in the near future and If this is the case, you got to be kidding me.

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Well now has 70 million dollars in the street. It's Enormous how much money is going towards this agenda?

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So that is the case and then you have Gross expenditures such as three million dollars was purchased for just a few homes for a handful of church planters

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It doesn't make any sense so nevertheless, there's an unnamed amount of money and the cooperative funds and These funds have been used to purchase homes in Chicago and these homes, you know

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Where are they used for? Well, I don't know why NAM is invested in real estate and doing all of these things

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But you know the case is it's unaccountable The messengers can't figure out what's going on And when you ask

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Kevin Ezell himself He just simply ignores the question and goes to will he we hear the

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North American Commission board Planting churches and sharing the gospel and helping people and and it goes through all of this and ignores the question

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Wow That is shameful. That is shameful so completely pulling the wool over the eyes of all the people have

01:00:05

Given their money to this and there's there's you know, where's the accountability? Where's Yeah That being the case.

01:00:15

So now you look at the messengers On the floor and you say okay. Wow, they are overwhelmingly approving of Lying Lytton and they're over approving of Tony Evans in this initiative where we came back and on every single chair

01:00:37

There was this urban initiative Where Lytton is leading our convention and our people in our churches into partnering with Tony Evans in this urban initiative

01:00:46

So this urban initiative is to rebuild communities it's going down the woke path and you're like so a

01:00:59

Lot of our churches are going to send volunteers untold amount of volunteer hours to partner with the worldly initiative now

01:01:06

I'm just flabbergasted at this and in the midst of it all Lytton plays a personal video for the messengers, which was completely woke and it used an older white man to Confess that he was a racist

01:01:32

Mobile Alabama is steeped in history Yet not everything that happens makes it into the history books at first We are a city of secrets

01:01:43

Open and well -known secrets that many refused to face We are a city of wounds still open and festering

01:01:52

We are the city where the last slave ship offloaded its cargo of stolen lives We are the city where Michael Donald, a black man, was lynched in 1981

01:02:04

These deep wounds These shameful legacies have hung over our city like a toxic cloud

01:02:11

But God stirred I grew up in a very segregated

01:02:19

Mobile back in the 50s growing up in the South As I have

01:02:24

I've convinced myself that I'm a racial bomb in my body But I came to realize that that was a lie and he didn't know it

01:02:32

But now he knows that he's a racist in it It was a right there in front of the world to be able to see 10 ,000 plus messengers in one room

01:02:42

Watched this woke video and I don't see any pushback. I don't see any clarity

01:02:49

Anybody calling for I was right beside of Steve Gaines there and I was talking with him and at the time the question of the definition of a pastor was brought up and He looked over at me and he said, you know

01:03:08

I was on the committee that revised the Baptist faith and message 2000. We all knew what a pastor was.

01:03:13

It's given It's a man. We don't need a definition or a committee or a study committee or we eat all of this and I totally agreed it's shameful that we have a woman at the chair of the committee who is

01:03:31

Trying to tell pastors what a pastor is and delaying all of this

01:03:38

I'm not coming Yeah, this is coming from the credentials committee this was something that came out of the credentials committee as you said is led by a woman and They proposed to take a year to study what a pastor is

01:03:56

The Southern Baptist Convention is is what a hundred and Sixty seven years old.

01:04:02

I think if I'm doing my math, right 167 years old and you don't know what a pastor is

01:04:10

Lord have mercy Yeah, we the Southern Baptist Convention was established in 1845 there's nearly 50 ,000 churches and nearly 14 million members and We've got that nailed down and that was you know, rather Hilarious to see that but everyone knew that it was simply a liberal like move a moderate move to perhaps delay and exhaust the concert the real conservatives so that for a redefined

01:04:47

Pastorate can enable women to teach when first Timothy, you know clearly says in 212

01:04:53

I do not permit a woman to have authority to teach a man or to teach or have authority over a man and So you see this?

01:05:02

happening, I was talking to a pastor this morning and he and his church saw our first video and It went viral in their church.

01:05:13

Their deacons are unanimous and now he's meeting with each committee Sunday school classes and everything.

01:05:20

It's it's a rather large First Baptist Church and they so far are unanimous in moving away from all of this stuff somehow separating from the convention and You know it takes a long time to keep a church in unity and to talk with everyone and to hear from everyone and to Explain everything.

01:05:43

It's just I mean We're gonna chew up a lot of time just in this and we're only going to be touching the tips of the iceberg

01:05:51

So never takes a while, but he said to me this morning it seems like the

01:05:58

Southern Baptist Convention by and large is made up of beta males and not alpha males and the

01:06:04

Complacency from those who are not assertive. We need more alpha males who are assertive but but here's the facts as you look through the culture of the

01:06:15

SPC and its pragmatism and taking on the ways of the world the feminist movement has pushed really hard to soften the men and They have not embraced male leadership

01:06:27

Even down to the home and the marriage Everything has been inverted and simply taken second seat.

01:06:35

So men by and large have become very passive and The old adage that you know

01:06:42

Every pastor, you know has heard if you want to get something done get a woman after it and such

01:06:49

Never the less that being the case that comes to it's a cultural aspect of the

01:06:56

Southern Baptist Convention that is not going away the

01:07:02

Feminist movement is rooted in the Southern Baptist Convention NAM is planting churches with women pastors co -pastoring

01:07:11

First Baptist Orlando has women preaching regularly their church plants have women preaching regularly

01:07:19

Nobody's correcting them Rick Warren ordained women It's the list just kind of goes on and on and on and when this starts to happen

01:07:27

It's the same thing with the doctrine of God You're bringing down the view of God and you're lifting up a view of yourself and you're bringing down Roles and you're lifting up yourself.

01:07:40

Yeah, so yeah, that's right. That's right Yeah, and it's uh,

01:07:45

I've seen I can't remember where it is. But anyway, there's a list of Southern Baptist churches complete with pictures and screenshots of their web pages of Of a lot.

01:08:00

I don't remember how many it is But it's but it's in the it's in the hundreds of Southern Baptist churches who have women pastors now

01:08:08

They may not be the quote -unquote senior pastor but it's like, you know pastor of children pastor of Whatever, you know fill in the blank.

01:08:17

There's a lot of them You know and they in the

01:08:23

To try to tease out the different the function from the office

01:08:29

That's garbage. That's absolutely Yeah, the gift the pastoring versus the office and the dicing it up and yeah, you know, no

01:08:40

No Absolutely. That's one thing. I'll muller said correctly if we have to have a search committee or a word

01:08:48

Then we're doomed as a convention, which it's already but you know, you know, I mean Leading from behind but but whatever

01:08:57

One other area that I have gradually been completely and now

01:09:06

Vehemently against in the culture of the Southern Baptist Convention is in the area of the doctrine of soteriology so easy believism is a major part in Getting the numbers and getting the salvations and the baptisms and the attenders easy

01:09:27

Visum through just raise your hand or say this prayer. Yeah is creating more false

01:09:35

Converts who professed to be Christians, but do not possess the Holy Spirit because their lifestyle denies it and in John chapter 3 in verse 36

01:09:46

It's very clear that we cannot just believe that Jesus is Lord by the way in the book of James the thing

01:09:53

It's 211 or 219 even the demons believe but in 36 not only are we called to believe but obey lest the wrath of God be upon us so It's is key and you can tell them by their fruits, right?

01:10:11

You just simply look at someone's life and it tells you so I'm I'm so disheartened at how we project or they in the

01:10:20

Southern Baptist Convention have Projected that lostness in the world is great and they're dying because you're not going or Giving enough and we need to do more missions and we need to do all of this and so thousands are dying every single day is what

01:10:37

Paul Chittwood said and They're going to hell and I appreciate his passion

01:10:43

However, it's misplaced because now it's as if God needs us in order to achieve

01:10:50

His remnant in order to achieve the salvation that he's given and John 337 and many other are very very clear all those that the father gives me will come to me

01:11:02

Yeah, that's right. And so when you reduce God and you elevate us

01:11:11

It's a low view of God and it's an erroneous view of soteriology

01:11:16

Yeah, and I can not sit and stomach this anymore and when

01:11:21

I mean I've been you know I started at Fruitland Baptist Bible College in Hendersonville, North Carolina got an associates in preaching and That was my first degree

01:11:31

EE was one of the classes evangelism explosion We were expected to go out and you know get five converts a week or something like that You know and and I felt so uncomfortable

01:11:42

With going out and strong -arming someone through that presentation and and and and I just took less of a grade in that class

01:11:49

I was very uncomfortable that now I see it doctrinally as to why that you're in the

01:11:55

Gospels, right? But it's the power of the gospel in the salvation Not our articulate view of theology.

01:12:02

Not our winsomeness. Not our guilt trip. Not our heart tugs not our stories

01:12:09

And we should be sharing truth and sharing the need to repent until the

01:12:15

Holy Spirit of God comes and convicts that soul and they fall underneath Conviction and they are now feeling sorrowful which leads to repentance unto salvation 2nd

01:12:28

Corinthians 7 10 clearly lays out the domino effect of how true salvation really happens

01:12:35

But when we skip repentance and we skip the Holy Spirit's role in convicting the heart and the soul and We jump in front of him and we affirm them that they're saved by saying a prayer

01:12:49

I mean you and I know that if you could say a prayer then you can unsay a prayer

01:12:54

You can't save yourself by saying anything and that would be equated to a work. It's not by works lest any man should boast

01:13:00

Right, so now I'm wrapped around all of this easy believism and to try and correct this culture seems insurmountable the only way truly to take a stand is to separate myself now to be a

01:13:19

Speak clearly to be separate 2nd Corinthians 6 17 says therefore come out from among their midst and be separate

01:13:27

Yeah, yeah Amen brother, I think it has gotten to that point.

01:13:33

In fact, I I would say It's it's been pretty clear. I think for several years now that it's gotten to that point going back to I think it was 2019

01:13:46

Resolution was a resolution nine Is that what it was resolution nine the adoption of CRT as a useful analytical tool and the argument can be made

01:13:55

Okay. Yeah, they adopted that at the convention in 2019 Critical race theory is a useful analytical tool, but you know three years ago.

01:14:03

Not everybody knew what social justice was They didn't know what CRT was. Well Then you had the convention last year 2021

01:14:12

People knew what it was then We had the statement on social justice in the gospel, even if you didn't

01:14:19

Hear about CRT in your church almost every Southern Baptist watches Fox News You know what

01:14:25

CRT and social justice is just from watching Tucker Carlson, you know and so the conservatives last year in 21, they really tried to marshal all their forces and they're gonna

01:14:39

Take back the convention but Mike Stone the conservative lost to the

01:14:47

Serial plagiarist and liar Ed Linton, but it was close. It was a close vote last year

01:14:53

This year in Anaheim Okay, the conservatives really ramping up now.

01:14:59

They threw everything in the kitchen sink at the convention this year in 22 and They even got an endorsement.

01:15:08

I say they Tom Askell who I love I have a world of respect for Tom Askell You know, he was the conservative candidate going against Mark Barber and a couple other guys

01:15:21

Jack Graham pastor of Prestonwood Baptist Church, one of the largest Baptist churches in the

01:15:27

SPC massive church in Dallas He came out before the convention and he endorsed to my surprise

01:15:35

Tom Askell and And I say to my surprise because Jack Graham is not

01:15:43

Soteriologically reformed he's not in that in that camp with you and me and with Tom Askell at all

01:15:49

He's an Arminian so he's no expositor at all The last person

01:15:57

I saw him endorsed was Paula White, but that's another conversation So but when he came out and endorsed

01:16:02

Tom Askell, I thought you know maybe That's gonna carry enough weight and that's gonna bring enough votes

01:16:11

Towards Tom Askell because you know, here's an Arminian more of a typical SPC guy and he's endorsing

01:16:18

Tom Askell well They had the vote and it wasn't even close

01:16:25

Yeah, last year's was close. This wasn't even this was a blowout. This was a landslide Tom lost by like 21 percentage points

01:16:33

It wasn't even close and so Like what how many more years how many more how many more conventions do you need to realize?

01:16:44

There's no and even if Tom had won It wouldn't have changed anything

01:16:50

But it was a blowout and I was saddened because we have a good man

01:16:56

Pastor Tom Askell and Vodie Baucham who were willing to really work hard at changing the direction of the

01:17:03

Southern Baptist Convention and We're a part of the conservative Baptist Network and like you said, they pulled no stops

01:17:11

If anything happened it was going to be pulled together this year and the momentum and everything even though it was in Anaheim and John MacArthur came to the conservative network meeting and spoke.

01:17:28

It was just phenomenal so nevertheless With everything that we can possibly pull together like you mentioned in 2019

01:17:37

There was a Dallas statement that was ignored in 2019 SPC voted in critical race theory.

01:17:43

Nothing's been done. There's a huge cry for unity Yeah Have critical race theory

01:17:51

Cemented in and now it's in our seminaries. Yeah, and got

01:17:58

From our theological students who are sitting underneath this garbage

01:18:04

And I'm telling you like Al Mohler has dubbed Racism as a stain

01:18:11

Now his imagery is powerful here, right? So he says the stain of racism has a coined term by him.

01:18:20

So Mohler believes that racism will be Dominant in our society until the coming of Christ now

01:18:28

That is a narrative that will be being chased Forever Yeah, it's a thing that's not going to go away.

01:18:37

That's what he's saying. So he is appointed three progressive professors to promote and teach critical race theory

01:18:46

Jarvis Williams, Matt Hall and Curtis Woods and he fired four conservative professors and used

01:18:54

COVID as an excuse to do that and that was Yeah, well, yeah, then forced tried to force them all to sign a non -disclosure

01:19:06

Which is unethical. They've already put in their time. They deserve their pensions

01:19:12

They deserve, you know The money the severance package but to pit them against not saying anything

01:19:21

Negative about the seminary in any way against their retirement and their package.

01:19:27

It's just simply Unethical it has no being no place in Christian life.

01:19:33

Yeah But not only that I mean Matt Hall He claims to be a racist and he openly does this on video

01:19:41

Look it up and so he's teaching logical students if you're white repent.

01:19:47

Yeah, you're a race Yeah, I know and it's but this is the this is the social justice game.

01:19:54

This is the CRT This is the intersectionality game You're of course if you admit you're a racist, obviously you're racist because you just admitted to it

01:20:04

But if you if you say no, I'm not a racist Ah, see the very fact that you don't know you're a racist proves your racism right, so it's this never -ending hamster wheel of Victimhood and grievances and All that good that's that the end game is that there is no end game

01:20:26

Right. Yeah, and there is no end game exactly and To circle back around to what

01:20:34

Tony Evans espouses in his whole slick spiel Let me tell you it is a very subtle subvertive move in That it's convincing people that their identity and their value is found from this worldly philosophy and theory added to and mixed in with scripture and you

01:21:00

Through a woke narrative and racial reconciliation will be

01:21:05

Validified you you will establish your value you here Instead like we've already said it was only one race your your identity and your value

01:21:14

But everything is in Christ and in Christ alone and when when when you have truly

01:21:23

One who is as well known and respected as Tony Evans coming in and doing all this and saying it so well

01:21:29

He really believes this but I'm floored at how it's an abandonment of the basic scriptures, especially

01:21:37

Our Convictions of the scriptures and in Christ alone But nevertheless,

01:21:44

I hope that we're able to enable people to be able to see that But as well over back with the

01:21:51

Southern Baptist theological seminary Jarvis Williams Teaching black liberation theology in the classroom.

01:21:59

Yeah, you can this there's videos of this. It's found online. It's promoting Intersectionality's promoting all as he co -authored removing the stain of racism with Kevin Jones Jonathan Pennington a professor who openly ascribes to some type of gaddam arian hermeneutic and Basically, all that is is saying that your pre -justice or your thought assumptions your traditions are

01:22:29

Part of who you are and it taints your interpretation of Scripture and so you cannot find a pure exegesis

01:22:39

You're nevertheless. It's just way off It's a post -modern thing that enables truth to be relative

01:22:48

So it's denying the true meaning to write derived from the text when we see that we can

01:22:54

Study a text and by the help of the Holy Spirit according to John 14 26 the helper

01:23:00

Helps us to know truth. Mm -hmm. Yeah, that is true. But here this hermeneutic says nope, the

01:23:09

Holy Spirit cannot help you know truth because You're tainted. Yes The Holy Spirit's just not strong enough

01:23:18

On his own is he's just not strong enough it what an Insult to the

01:23:24

Holy Spirit of God what an insult to God to his word To his Holy Spirit to the power of the gospel

01:23:31

You know by God's grace and some people watching this have heard me say this Casey by God's grace

01:23:37

I've been all over the world. I have I have preached in now I think 28 different countries all over the world and when

01:23:46

I'm with like -minded believers There is an instant bond an instant love fellowship kindred spirit

01:23:56

With these people it doesn't matter how much they have or how little they have doesn't matter if I'm in a village in Uganda Africa people living in grass huts or if I'm in a

01:24:09

European country or if I'm in Brazil or Ecuador or the Philippines? It doesn't matter, you know

01:24:15

I don't I don't care how much melanin they have in their skin.

01:24:20

They don't care how little I may have in mind There's an instant love there because we recognize each other's each other as family

01:24:31

We're family. We're we're brothers. We're sisters in Christ we have been adopted into the family of God through the merits of this son

01:24:40

Jesus and And melanin levels don't Matter and so the social justice

01:24:47

CRT all this it is trying to build up walls But the gospel is already crushed right round to powder and It's trying to build these things up again, and it's just it is

01:25:01

Yeah, I'm sorry. I got on my soapbox a little bit It's it's the same soapbox that I'm on Sunday I mentioned another reason why

01:25:09

I just simply cannot be a part of this anymore. It's because it's making racial relations worse.

01:25:15

Yes far worse Far worse. So I Can't can't even be associated.

01:25:22

I cannot be guilty by association. Yes when when when our beloved black community

01:25:33

Realizes that welfare is not best for them, right and the same thing with any community when when they realize that they're being

01:25:41

Used the color of their skin is being you Yeah, and they realized that this victimhood mentality is juxtaposed to the sufficiency and the sovereignty of God You know,

01:25:53

I had the privilege. I was eating dinner the other day and man, there was a whole table of black guys behind me older guys and Men, they were really having a good time and I enjoyed eavesdropping and hearing what they had to say it went to how

01:26:12

Slavery was so evil and then one of the guys said yeah But you know what

01:26:18

God is bigger than that and he used that to help us not to harm us Look at the story of Joseph and how much stronger we are because of it yeah, and I was

01:26:28

I wanted to say amen, you know, but When we as Christians view the hardships in our life as Being a trial that God has allowed and by his sovereign grace

01:26:41

To help us not to harm us James chapter 1 verses 2 and following We believe

01:26:47

God is in control then we know that God is Developing and refining us to maturity and we do not second -guess his goodness

01:26:58

But when you abandon a good theological framework and you go over to this worldly philosophy and embrace victimhood mentality

01:27:08

It is completely against scripture. It's downplaying the sovereignty of God It's saying

01:27:14

God I doubt what you're doing in my life, and I need somebody else to verify Validify and to help

01:27:21

I need somebody else to help get me wealth or rich or Or all these types of things

01:27:29

I Absolutely hate that. It's been made Predominantly a black and white thing because it's not it's just simply all different I mean you look at the

01:27:38

Indians you look at the Asians You'll everybody you know has been in select one point in time.

01:27:43

You look at Israel. I Mean when it comes to slavery, we've got a large portion of you know, let's speak to that Yeah, but look used the

01:27:54

Exodus and so nevertheless God is for you What you can be against you?

01:28:00

we don't have to worry about this type of stuff and one of the biggest beefs that I have about the book of Philemon being taken out of context is because the book of Colossians instructs slaves to be good and to their owners and it's a quick word study on slave if You're in any question in this and and just see what the scriptures have to say about that and so Paul in prison in Rome wrote all the prison epistles

01:28:29

Philemon being one of them and Colossians being another one of them and you cannot have two scriptures

01:28:36

Contradicting and it be true. So scripture contradicts scripture is not true.

01:28:42

It is Coherent there in an alignment. So nevertheless, that's my plea to be able to just do good basic hermeneutics to find out what the themes and the truths are in the passages so this is

01:28:57

Polluting Everything when it comes to the gospel and so to kind of bring all of not all but some of these bigger subjects

01:29:07

You know to it to a head here For decades easy believism has been a cultural norm in the

01:29:15

SBC and Just raise your hand or say this prayer VBS is all that type of stuff and that is just something that I cannot deal with Secondly now

01:29:29

We're adding and even polluting it more with critical race theory and social justice and adding that to the gospel

01:29:38

That is the great requirement. That's the full gospel. That's being spread it's in the seminaries and a lot of your elites are saying these things and so when

01:29:48

David Platt tells white people to repent and you got to do social justice to preach the full gospel or whatnot and the list goes on and on and on and Matt Chandler in all of nine marks and how woke it truly is and Now it's embedded in all of the seminary

01:30:04

Southeastern with Danny Aiken as president promotes a postmodern stand for Etymology and and and having women as in pastoral studies

01:30:17

Awarding pastoral study degrees to women Yeah It's a sad state of affairs brother

01:30:25

I mean, there's no as I was hitting out a few minutes ago, even if Tom had one and Tom's a great guy

01:30:31

But even if he had one, he's one man and one man is not he as much as I love

01:30:37

Tom He can't change hearts. He can't he can't change the hearts of any of the powers that be in the

01:30:45

SPC this Entrenched woke ism and social justice and drift and all that.

01:30:52

He can't change anybody's heart Right. He can't change the hearts of the seminary presidents who are inviting

01:31:00

Who inviting Ed Linton to come in and preach in their Chapel? It's just and I'm gonna say that I'm gonna say this carefully

01:31:09

I'm glad Tom lost Yeah, I'm glad Tom lost not because anything against Tom at all, but my fear was that if he had won it would have just kicked the can down the road and and Given false hope for the

01:31:29

SPC where there really is no hope, you know putting perfume on it on a corpse

01:31:35

So it would have just delayed the inevitable. So it's just it's clear now. I think it's clear now.

01:31:41

I had lunch yesterday with a pastor of a small church Here in Montana.

01:31:47

He's become a good friend of mine and He went to the convention He was there and this was kind of his last

01:31:57

Gasp effort of seeing some reason to stay in the SPC, but he came back and he told me at lunch

01:32:03

He said they're gone there There's just he said he cannot he can't justify staying in the convention any longer after what he saw in Anaheim And he said honestly, he said

01:32:14

I think at this point it's so bad It's so clear at this point his words not mine, although I agree with him

01:32:21

He said to be associated with the SPC at this point is a sin issue

01:32:27

Wow Well, you know You you are

01:32:34

Responsible for who you hang around bad company corrupts good character and that's for everybody and when we hang around Attractional worship that is not worship.

01:32:46

Yeah Needs nothing else, but his name proclaimed to attract

01:32:53

Lostness unto him, but when we try and add Something to it make these attractional worship services

01:33:25

Said you ain't seen nothing That is

01:33:52

It's going to rub off on you if you're around it and easy believe it first when you have the goal as Like what

01:34:02

Rick Warren's speech was as the goal. Here's what happens.

01:34:07

I can't tell you it's heartbreaking When I I've got a pastor who's a friend of mine and I've asked him.

01:34:14

How are you doing? What's up? How you doing? And he refers to numbers from Sunday Offering is up Attendance is up.

01:34:22

I'm doing good offering, you know, and he quotes the numbers and the next week or so goes by said

01:34:28

How are you doing and offering is down attendance is down. He's down And so the pastor being directly connected to numbers.

01:34:36

It's an idle issue It's a heart issue. It's a cultural issue It's it's what has been being happening in the

01:34:44

Southern Baptist Convention for a long time and David in the Bible Gotten the worst trouble for using numbers the wrong way, you know pastors are shepherding a flock and preaching the word and for prayer and Those are our goals and we should just simply do those things very very well we should lead our churches well and be sufficient in the

01:35:07

Obedience and in the journey and let God have all of the glory whether the church grows

01:35:13

Numerically or he refines the churches to his glory. We're simply to focus on the soul

01:35:21

Develop the heart and the mind for Christ and love on the sheep and evangelize and disciple

01:35:27

These faithfulnesses are where we should be now As we start to land this plane

01:35:34

I'd like to rattle off a few things to kind of conclude as to a lot of the reasons why

01:35:40

I'm wiping my hands and I'm walking away and no longer. I'm going to be a

01:35:45

Southern Baptist pastor We've talked about the easy believism for numbers.

01:35:51

We've talked about the distractional worship services I see by and large where pastoral friendships are put over the scriptures and so sin is not being addressed and pastors side with pastors and friendships and you bring something up and say

01:36:07

We need to help this brother or whatnot or we need to address this. Oh, well, I know I've known him for 10 years

01:36:14

So I was speaking with the pastor of First Baptist Naples and new pastor down there and mentioned first Baptist Orlando is got these issues that are going on and he wanted nothing to do with he said well, you know,

01:36:29

I I know David youth and Brother it gets You know

01:36:35

Moderately worse and worse and worse Alan Brumback just simply defended his friendship with David youth

01:36:42

Instead of you and in the conversation was very neutral. It's not like I'm headhunting.

01:36:47

I'm like, you know you are now a pastor of a predominant church who would have a voice with David and I'm I'm gonna open up and share some things with you here

01:36:59

Perhaps you give him a call then and talk with him and he wanted nothing to do with it so his friendship with David is more important to him than scriptural clarity and convictions and I Nothing is going to get between me and my obedience to this scripture and no friendship

01:37:18

So nevertheless friendship fine large Trump the scriptures and That is the cultural issue the 11th commandment so to speak in the

01:37:30

SBC You know, there's a Lot who are not absolutely against abortion.

01:37:38

I can't side at all with that There's a lot for women preachers

01:37:46

They're okay with millions of dollars being hidden They're okay with racial issues being made worse

01:37:56

They're okay with messengers ignored rudely This happened there was abuse in this article in abuse that happened to my wife in her childhood

01:38:06

It was sent to Baptist News Global as a means of retaliation for me having reported this

01:38:11

But gossip began to spread that I was acting politically Everything I feared would happen did

01:38:17

I? Contacted the task force or at least a consultant did but excuse me, but you cannot make personal accusations

01:38:25

On the floor of this what accusation that I make and I mean We we must maintain order in the room

01:38:35

This is not how we do our business. So let us Continue with this Mr.

01:38:41

Buckingham, it appeared to me that you were making an accusation your statement just previous to this So if you can't

01:38:49

Was an accusation I want to make sure I don't do that Well, you made accusations about someone reporting this to a news organization and so forth.

01:38:57

So if you would move to your question Well, that's not an accusation. Mr. President. That's actually reported by Baptist News Globe.

01:39:03

Okay, could you move to your question? I am moving in my question. Thank you And given the platform to Tony Evans and Rick Warren for an unlimited amount of time

01:39:17

We have polluted seminaries with the critical race theory now I said you just come out of Southwest and come out of Southwestern and we were taught that right there

01:39:27

You know in systematic theology that the fire in hell was metaphorical and I and and I was taking notes

01:39:33

I thought surely I misheard Did I hear that right there's no fire

01:39:40

I said, well, what about the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth because it's a lake of fire There is burning and he said well press.

01:39:48

How is there fire if it's dark? I Don't know there is The Bible says that there's fire in hell.

01:39:55

I say guys because everyone in there is about 15 years younger than me, right? You know,

01:40:01

I'm 38 years old And I said look y 'all know that feeling you have in your heart like something just doesn't feel right about what you just heard

01:40:08

So that's the Holy Spirit telling you what you heard was a damnable heresy, right? Right I've recorded every lecture while I was at Southwestern.

01:40:21

Let me tell you what's being taught. Yeah, this We all just need to unify, okay, we all just need to find common ground and Fine find the common ground whether they be

01:40:35

Muslim, whatever. Let's find that common ground so we can save Christianity, right?

01:40:40

and It's pragmatism. Yeah, right. It's pragmatism and and I challenge anyone who thinks that I'm lying because I I've got

01:40:49

Hours and hours and hours of all my lectures. So you're kidding anything on social justice at Southwestern Yeah, really yeah critical race theory

01:41:02

Tons of woke initiatives. I didn't mention before but the sin network

01:41:08

I was concerned now underneath the leadership of a Bryant, right as Hundreds of thousands even millions of dollars going towards what looks like to me more of a

01:41:22

Catholic humanitarian effort with little gospel and if it is the gospel being shared it is what we just talked about a woke gospel read for easy believe best and So when you're adding

01:41:39

This cultural shift for a humanitarian effort when there's a

01:41:45

Disaster to go and help and we need to help Especially those are in need

01:41:50

But anybody can help the primary thing that we should be doing is meeting a need to share

01:41:57

Christ and spending Time with them with doing the true gospel. So nevertheless

01:42:04

It can be a part of millions of dollars going in a humanitarian effort to the sin network which they would brag and say that the hundred percent of our giving goes straight towards the sin network and it gets right in there

01:42:18

Without any, you know staff or building costs or or whatever But if it's woke and if it's off Then none of your money is doing well

01:42:29

So, I believe that the best way to deal with that is just to pull out to make her voice is heard that way and And perhaps others would see it the same way if that's what they want to do.

01:42:42

That's fine But I can't talk woke initiatives I can't tolerate, you know

01:42:49

Our seminaries are now going to be producing church plants and missionaries that have this polluted gospel

01:42:55

You know James 127 says that pure and undefiled religion is to keep yourself

01:43:00

Unspotted from the world at the end of that verse so yeah

01:43:06

Yeah You wanna do you want to give just a very cliff note review of what you told me this morning about the interesting

01:43:18

Guest you had at the meeting who walked in Not really, but yes,

01:43:25

I mean that was so surprising as so He get get invited personally by a friend to a meeting with pastors have a prayer conference and so it's a meeting for pastors on prayer and And it's mostly us

01:43:48

Southern Baptist pastors here in Central, Florida That were invited and and so I is a couple months ago

01:43:54

I got the invite. So the RSVP and went and man, it was done. Well and Man, he'll golf club and the best breakfast and they flew in Yes, I don't care for the black hippie

01:44:09

You know Henry black hippie is all that kind of stuff because that kind of place Thing that we just talked about hearing for God.

01:44:16

He's the believe ism and all but nevertheless There's that speaker and we went and my associate pastor and I we went there and so we're at a pastor's conference about prayer and To my surprise.

01:44:31

I mean like I need a confirmation on leaving the SVC to my surprise All the white walks in with her husband

01:44:43

Wrong but at a at a pastor's Pastors, yeah

01:44:53

Brother brother Paula Like yikes so I'm not praying with Paula and We we were not going there to pray we're going there to meet and hear about you know

01:45:09

A prayer conference or whatnot. It's going to be in September and I thought to myself if we were praying today

01:45:16

I would walk away from my plate and leave. There's no way I'm going to be praying with a false prophet a fake

01:45:24

Healer yeah, there's just no I'm not going to be guilty by association

01:45:29

But since we're sitting down and we're not going to be you know, holding hands and singing kumbaya or anything

01:45:37

I'm gonna ride this meeting out so it did and Later that day

01:45:42

I called the organizer of the meeting and said hey if you would take my name off the list

01:45:47

I want nothing to do with the neck communical movement a prayer movement here in central, Florida a multi denominational thing

01:45:55

I'm alright, and if you'd like to talk about it, that's fine And then called the pastor that invited me and shared the same thing

01:46:03

So you take a Southern Baptist pastor organized this and invited you right? Yeah Yeah, and so That's enough to seal the deal for me brother.

01:46:16

Yeah. Um, I'm done. I Know as if you needed any confirmation, but that was it and Yeah, I mean a

01:46:27

Southern Baptist pastor asked Paula white one of the most notorious Obvious heretics

01:46:35

False prophets and charlatans ever to disgrace the name of Christ, but hey, yeah, let's invite her to come in.

01:46:41

I mean Yes, stunning stunning lack of discernment

01:46:48

Yeah Some you would say that perhaps she was in by another pastor or whatever, but nevertheless

01:46:56

Well, Jack Graham endorsed her Jack Jack Graham and Robert Jeffress At first Dallas right endorsed her in her book and back in 2019 called her that my good friend

01:47:10

Paula white Jack Graham and Robert Jeffress both said that and endorsed her a notorious charlatan and heretic

01:47:19

To pastors of two of the largest Southern Baptist churches in the entire convention.

01:47:25

Yeah, let's endorse Paula white Stunning. I mean stunning.

01:47:32

I know I Live right around the corner from New Destiny and and see and have gone myself and seen the the poor folks in need been pushed to the side and the show go on and Paula will rear back and Punch somebody in the guts and yell at the demon to be you know removed

01:47:55

It's a show. It's fake Florida how many people come?

01:48:01

I'm shocked at the low sense of discernment and the now the association and however

01:48:09

Southern Baptist pastors are now being associated with this multi -denominational ecumenical movement is just further confirmation that there is a direction that the

01:48:23

Southern Baptist Convention is going in and I'm not going in that direction Amen amen

01:48:29

No, I'm so for our church and they're gonna vote as to what they want to do on their own and I appreciate them

01:48:38

And so far everything seems in complete unity I haven't had one person say to me that we that they think they should say in fact

01:48:47

Everyone has said we can only do what's right. And this is what's right

01:48:53

That is evidence of a well -taught and well -shepherded flock brother

01:49:01

So man, thank you, man Thank you. Yeah All right.

01:49:08

Well Casey we've covered a lot of ground. Thank you. I appreciate your courage

01:49:15

Thank you to you to your wife Your family your your Congregation there look forward to being with you in December.

01:49:24

We have a conference coming up I'll be there Susan Heck and Phil Johnson so yes, look forward to that and and you and I have another video that we're going to do in the next few days and That's gonna be dealing with First Baptist Orlando We've done a few videos already, but we're gonna do another one and some have pushed back because we we've talked about how

01:49:51

First Baptist Orlando is baptizing homosexuals and they have

01:49:58

You know Transgendered people serving and all this kind of stuff that we've talked about and and we've heard from I don't even know how many between the two of us dozens of Current or former members, right?

01:50:13

Yeah. Yeah now Now I cannot say dozens. I'm over a hundred now when it comes to people who have contacted me with first -hand experiences and Well over a hundred well over so Yeah between emails phone calls personal visits and such and it is staggering to how much continues to stack by way of Verification as to what you and I have talked about so those who know and have experienced it have come and said

01:50:54

Casey how you and Justin handled that was above reproach. You spoke well and Yes to everything you said and Unfortunately more and so I've in my office people come and test my sin.

01:51:10

This is just stacking up and And we'll we'll have more of that in our next video and and we'll have we'll have the receipts so And again, it's not something we take joy in we wish it weren't the case but people need to be aware and People need to be aware and they need to be in a good church a good church biblically defined biblically led that does expositional preaching that does church discipline and And again as we've said before The most loving thing that we can do for people is to tell them the truth and we've heard from homosexuals for former

01:51:50

Former you and I have both heard from former homosexuals who have who have thanked us right for Yes, generally said we really appreciate the truth and the clarity the

01:52:06

Ambiguity it keeps them in in sin, but coming out of this Is the needs so coming out?

01:52:14

They're vulnerable and it's something that they say that they could slip back into the lifestyle very easily

01:52:21

But when the truth is there and they sense that we are for them not against them

01:52:27

And so when they see that the best thing for your life and for your soul is truth, then all of a sudden

01:52:34

That light comes on and truth is truth and it does the work work So nevertheless, there are a lot of people out there

01:52:42

Two things who are hurt, right? who have Have been given to First Baptist Orlando for a long time have lost

01:52:51

They feel like they've lost years and years and years of their life They've been fooled and locked to have been taken advantage of they've given to these things and they and they're just hurt and Conversations have been had with Danny and David and they've been walked away from But that and then as well there are still people out there who do not believe though they have seen the evidence and Since the evidence continues to come in Then I Would say yes to your invitation for another interview for the sake of the people who still

01:53:29

Wrestling and still need help discerning and they I mean it really is truly this this issue here

01:53:36

It's like I can't believe it when I first heard it. I remember I can't believe this

01:53:42

This is if I was not looking at pictures right now. I Wouldn't believe it at all and then

01:53:50

I still go on my own sabbatical to see it for myself

01:53:56

This is truly happening in our world by and large not just at First Baptist, Orlando But this is really happening and it is staggering

01:54:05

So nevertheless, I think that you know, you and I should do another video as well. And yeah, and You'll even more staggering

01:54:15

Evidence. Yeah Absolutely. Absolutely All right.

01:54:21

Well Casey May God's blessings be yours brother you and your family in your church there and Again, you are the pastor at Beulah Baptist Church Winter Garden, Florida outside of Orlando, so any

01:54:37

Turn of the camera any any any sheep out there and that general neck of the woods and you're looking for a

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Place to be fed a place to be loved and shepherded Beulah Baptist Winter Garden, Florida.

01:54:48

There's other good churches in the Orlando area I don't mean to say that there are but but this is one of them. So, all right

01:54:55

Casey, thank you very much brother and Appreciate you joining us and we'll do our next video soon.

01:55:03

So dear ones Thank you very much. I think you know this by now if you've watched our videos that I take no joy in this

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I I am saying these things about the SPC as well as one who

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I was going to a Southern Baptist Church Nine months before I was born one of those kind of things

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I was Southern Baptist for the first 37 years of my life got two degrees from a Southern Baptist seminary

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So so I say these things I point these things out with with sadness as well Till our next time together may the grace of our