November 17, 2020 Show with Dennis E. Roe on “Reformed Theology & Missions: A Perfect Match”

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Today we have on our program a returning guest.

His name is Dennis E. Rowe.

He's the General Secretary of Westminster Biblical Mission and today we are going to be

addressing Reformed Theology and Missions, a perfect match and we'll be hearing

more about some updates that you'll need to know about Westminster Biblical Mission

and the services they provide for the body of Christ.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dennis E. Rowe.

Thank you very much Chris.

It's my privilege to be here today and share with you what God is doing,

the fields that we are called to serve with Westminster.

Great.

Well, why don't you right off the bat tell our listeners about Westminster Biblical Mission.

Well Westminster Biblical Mission was founded in 1973 in

Pennsylvania, your home state now,

and a couple of missionaries who

became badly

those things,

they needed to have those

men that they knew in them

to

come

together and had that beginning.

The missionaries

from one brother, like

a Macedonian call for him to go to South Korea

was led to

practice

a Biblical mission.

Come mission always was,

he came from John Nebius, notable Reformed

minister and missionary

in the indigenous population to be that very thing.

So

it's our mission

to lead and I

think to

build

them up

to abilities

governing.

Brother, are you using a speakerphone because you're just slightly muffled.

It's, it's still, you're still audible, but you're slightly muffled.

I am already and yet

I'm kind

of a form of communication.

Okay, I guess we'll just have to cope with the audio quality the way it is.

Um, one of the things that our audience may be unfamiliar with

is the primary denominational affiliation that you have,

the Reformed Church in the United States, otherwise known as the R .C .U .S.,

formerly known as the Eureka Classus.

Why don't you tell our listeners about the R .C .U .S.?

Denomination that I've been privileged to serve since 19,

we now

class these

that make up that thing.

It's not that, um, the Westminster Biblical Missions is exclusive to the R .C .U .S.

In God's providence, I mean, that's been my denomination.

We need new board members.

I know these brothers well, and we're very concerned about having men who

have the majority.

They've been

dominated.

The lawyers that I've now served, this is my 30th year as

General Secretary, it's been that

influence.

Denomination, we

may be off on that for

a number.

The active kind of

labor

within

Reformed Church, and of course, a little difference is that brothers from, you know,

strictly Reformed, usually forms of unity,

certainly are in agreement with them, and they have to be to be admitted.

The governing creedal documents for Westminster

Biblical Missions are the Westminster Standard.

Now, is

there

anything that sets the R .C .U .S. apart from some of the other

major.

Reformed denominations like the OPC, like the PCA, like

the ARP, and other of the more well

-known Reformed denominations?

And of course, let me throw in there the RPCNA, the Reformed

Presbyterian Church of North America, known as the Covenanters, who are

set apart due to their belief in exclusive

psalmody in worship and also exclusive a cappella worship,

although there are pastors and congregations within the other denominations I

mentioned who also have adopted that position, although in those other denominations they are a

minority.

So, is there anything that would stand out as being unique to the R .C .U .S.?

It shouldn't be unique to the R .C .U .S.

I mean, we are very strict holding

to...

Well, that's refreshing to hear.

That's an anomaly in our day, I'm sad to say.

But I think it's a requirement for the faculty at Greenville Presbyterian Theological

Seminary in South Carolina.

I'm almost certain on that.

Yes, I believe that's correct.

Our brother Joey Pipe has done an excellent work

on quite

women in the ecclesiastical office that seem to,

you know, physically correct that whichever way the wind is blowing,

denominations seem to be battling with these things within and even wavering

on this.

It's not even an issue

when CERN is

met locally with

planting churches and foreign missions.

And I'm happy to say that our denomination of biblical

missions, we

only

have, you know, 50

congregations.

That's

not only ours, but our denominations working in Africa, which

I have real

encouragement.

Well, if anybody wants to find out more about Westminster Biblical Mission,

you can go to WBM for Westminster Biblical Mission.

INC for incorporated .org.

WBMINC .org.

And hopefully we will remember to repeat that. Later on in the program.

Well, before I get into some specific details regarding updates all

over the world in regard to the Westminster Biblical Missions, I'd like you to

spend some time seeking to clarify to

our listeners how Reformed theology

is not only compatible with the notion of missions, they are in perfect

harmony, unlike the slanderous

accusations that many outside of the Reformed

faith hurl at us, we who are Reformed, who teach that

Calvinism is the death knell of missions, and

that they are incompatible, that the phrase Reformed missionary would be an oxymoron.

And yet we who are Reformed, who understand these things, we see them as a match made in

heaven.

We see them as perfectly harmonious, and even more of a

bolster of a encourager into a driving force

behind those who enter into the mission field, because people,

brave, courageous, dedicated missionaries that venture

out abroad, and even some domestic missionaries who evangelize

in the 50 states, but they are certain, because of our theology, not

in spite of it, they are certain that God's elect will come out

from every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and therefore their efforts will never be

in vain, even if they personally never see fruit

being born on this earth while they are personally on that mission field or while they are alive.

But we believe that ultimately these promises will occur.

But if you could tell us, in your own words, why is Reformed theology and missions a perfect match?

Sovereignly connected to all the world.

I mean, when you look at

Matthew 28, most people only

quote 19 and 20 for the Great Commission, they miss verse

18, where Jesus said, all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.

The sovereign who says, go therefore and make disciples of all the

nations.

God ordains the means as well as the end.

And he is ordaining the preaching of the gospel.

Paris says, yes, it's foolishness, but to those who are saved is the power of God and the

salvation to everyone who believes.

And so we understand that is what God, you know, requires of his church to be doing.

We're to be a light set upon a hill, not a candle hidden under a basket,

light that reflects Jesus Christ under the nations.

As well, the New Testament, that's a great emphasis, calling in of the

Gentiles, literally the nation from

every tribe.

And that's what we're doing.

We're trying to be faithful to the sovereignty.

People need to understand his sovereignty is

what validates, you

know, his commandment to see him and

not do it.

We see the fruit of

that go into all the world.

And that's what we're

doing.

Whatever we're going.

To do.

Just to defend myself on your own website, it says Westminster biblical mission singular.

Oh, no, people want to know.

I'll get out.

Thank you.

I'll make that correct.

Assuming that I gave the correct URL w b m i n c .org.

That's the website I'm looking at.

And it's singular right at the top.

Make note of that.

It's

the way Jesus began.

I actually saw, I believe I saw a movie version of that many years ago,

but I can't remember if I enjoyed it or not.

If I enjoyed it, maybe I shouldn't have.

That can be.

I, you know, I bring that up just because I think of myself.

When I was in seminary in the early 70s, that I don't

people ask me, you ever consider being a missionary?

Oh, no.

Thoughts have nothing to do with foreign missions.

We need the gospel right here in the United States of America.

Well, God is sovereign and he had other plans for me.

He soon brought people into my life that changed that direction.

One thing led to another anecdotal story with you, if you'd like.

Oh, yeah, sure.

You know, I say I'm the accidental missionary.

That's what I was leading up to.

You know, I had no intent.

Although my wife says that when I proposed to her, we were in this,

she had come to school to be a missionary.

Look at me.

I'm a full -time mission field.

Sure enough, he's been with 43 years, this accidental missionary and

encouraging me in this work.

One thing led to another where I met brothers from other

nations come and help us.

I had an intimate relation with them and their, and their families and helping them

in the church where I served first in Pennsylvania.

And then in the same here in California, where I now live.

And one thing led to another and I've been involved with foreign missions for

over 30 years.

Well, praise God for that.

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Arns and if you just tuned in to Iron Trump Zion Radio our guest today for the full two hours is

Dennis E. Rowe, General Secretary of Westminster Biblical

Missions, plural, and we are discussing how

reformed theology is actually a perfect match for missions and we're also in just a bit going to

be hearing about some specific updates on the mission field regarding Westminster Biblical

Missions.

If you do have questions of your own our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com chrisarnson at

gmail .com.

Before I move on to any other specific question do you you had some.

Anecdotes so did you want to share some more?

About how I got involved.

Okay in seminary I didn't

go right into the past

working in a church in Wisconsin and every Wednesday evening the pastor would read

very faith missionary newsletter.

I mean I'd never heard a missionary newsletter like this.

That was really a theological poem if you will

and they were just excellent in that way it wasn't just

good and wonderful.

Or in the reality is the mission field like church work is often very difficult a

lot of issues and problems and discouragements and you just just read the New

Testament Paul's labors.

I mean they were trying to kill him.

I did go into the pastoral ministry in 1982

Pennsylvania seminary and I heard that it

was going to be given at the seminary and they were all open to pastors.

It was on the diaconate and the teacher was

bringing this up.

In particular most people know of Tim praying for him.

He's quite ill with pancreatic cancer but I was there to hear

about the diaconate operate that ministry and build it

up.

And on a coffee break I'm standing there talking to a fellow and he told me he

was a missionary to.

I go really have you ever heard of Mr. Biblical Mission

he says.

I sure have.

I'm he coffee break and I tell that story because Tim recently

told a story how that God used a particular circumstance

unbeknownst to the speaker I think it was J .I. Packer that God used

it in Tim's life.

That's how he and his wife ended up in Manhattan church planting was how I ended up in mission

because that mission.

I need to get involved and our next meeting is a second

such for

that.

And it's been a

small

mission

our missionary it's not a huge

organization where you hardly know one another but the commitment to

the sacrifice of the individuals involved has always been to me

and make me count it as a great with these men a missionary who gives

you know most of his inherent work on the field.

That's just one example a missionary working for you know 20 years never

taking any salary I mean that that's to

be involved with men like that it's just a tremendous.

You got me involved with

well that's some providence especially since uh the

denomination.

That you are in obviously would not permit him to be a pastor since he

is an old earth creationist.

And I would disagree.

I would be aware of that.

Yeah and I would disagree radically with him because he even I think is on the extreme

fringe of the old earth folks.

But uh we do uh ask our listeners to pray for him because he has one of the most

deadly if not the deadliest forms of cancer.

My own mother perished from pancreatic cancer in 1995.

I am so glad that she made a clear profession of

the the biblical gospel and her total trust in it and her total trust in Christ

alone and his finished work on Calvary in order for her to

enter into heaven which I have absolutely no doubt that she did having

been a witness to her her clear biblical

proclamation of faith.

But um the uh.

Well let's hear uh about some of these unique mission fields

that uh you are working with with Westminster biblical mission.

I know that Pakistan is one.

Tell us something about the religious uh climate if you will of

Pakistan.

I know that there are obviously muslims there in abundance but from

what I understand it is a country where.

Uh Christianity

at some

level

is

tolerated

years ago.

Now

the blasphemy

law can bring a charge against another

muhammad often used as

a trumped -up charge to bring

epic

and custom set.

It is this the littlest

excuse.

Uneducated and illiterate trying to work to help

alleviate.

Because they're so

illiterate you know they just get stirred

up by the religious leaders.

They don't

even know whether it's ever and often

it's been just because somebody wants to get another person's problem.

Get at them advantage of them.

Havoc and a lot of fear.

And of course in the culture that the Christians

were allowed

to would only get so far in the society would not hold

all.

We see it

really going to.

Even young Christian girls

kidnapped and rape

cases things

like that to make day -to -day living in Pakistan not easy.

Burn down the

entire village

shout that out and

go in and in their friends and burn down church

there.

I mean I first went

back in uh late 80s

since any fear

and they were

speaking uh

you know making

derogatory comments when I might be

when we're at the school.

We have a lot of lady teachers at our school

tell us something about.

The school I know that the uh somehow even in spite of the danger that you just

mentioned I know that the Anglican Orthodox Church denomination which is a

theologically reformed uh Anglican denomination uh

adhering to the 39 articles which is a very faithful biblical and reformed uh

confession yes I'm familiar with them and they have a seminary.

There uh that manages to exist.

Tell us about your school.

Began with theological.

I remember trip in 89 where we were renting the building and

we only had the one student.

Have a student.

God and his sovereign uh good providence has enabled us to

press on.

And areas laboring.

In fact in Villanova Pennsylvania the two original missionaries were helping a local

church there.

Property was quite valuable as you know Villanova area.

Able to give us uh money it was a hundred thousand dollars.

We've never had money like that property there.

The first.

Uh we now have full property

though with our soul and training for

pastors critical needs.

And but uh we were able to build a building god's people gave.

We have the seminary building.

But then the director's wife had a real burden on her

heart.

She saw all the

children in the area.

It's yohannabad.

Get john from that yohann.

Supposedly because the muslims could come and live they wanted with

their husband.

Oh can we have the children over.

He goes.

Oh if we do that then they'll call me large numbers.

And we won't be able to have the seminary time.

But she prevailed upon him.

She wanted to have them just for a little bible

study children.

Half of them are naked.

And from that grew calvin christian

out at that school.

And then three more campuses.

Now we're approaching you know seeing what god.

Wow in fact we're going to pick up we're going to pick up on a further description of calvin

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I'll i'll take a listener question before i have you return to your discussion on

calvin christian academy.

I believe it was called in pakistan.

But we do have an anonymous listener who says you said earlier

that calvinism is compatible with mission work.

It's my understanding that a calvinistic baptist group in the 18th

century did not even believe in mission work and they split from

other baptists over that issue because of their calvinism.

I believe they are called the primitive baptists.

Well i don't know.

Dennis if you know anything about the primitive baptists i know something about them.

I'm not an expert on them today.

There are thankfully some that are biblically sound but there are quite a number of them that are hyper

calvinist and they didn't begin that way from my understanding.

In fact they were not opposed to missionary work.

They were opposed to parachurch uh mission boards.

They believed that missionaries should be sent out by local churches and not by a parachurch mission board.

But then they eventually devolved into a hyper calvinistic denomination.

But do you have anything to add about that.

Dennis uh you know i'm.

Not a part of

the primitive congregation.

And yeah they have come to a point where they're they don't believe in

the free offer.

They're certainly not going to be mission oriented.

They're not what we would call evangelical.

Calvinistic and reform churches ought to be evangelical.

We believe the gospel salvation

and that he how you

know by the

work of

the holy spirit.

In fact i was thinking of that you mentioned.

You teach.

I'm a tour of evangelism and missions

through menno and i teach missions.

There's a great website that people can go to

and you'll see a preponderance of the

calvins.

Go to missionary biographies .com and missionary

biographies plural .com.

By the way just go ahead.

I'm sorry.

Continue.

Well we have a great list of you know missionaries that god used

to many of us you know.

Like david brainerd uh missionary american indians william carey

english baptist missionary to india james chalmers i mean the list goes.

All of these people.

What.

There may be

in particular differences as you have still this day

between some hands together when it comes to

taking the gospel commanded mark 16 15.

And that's what an evangelical does.

I just wanted to uh for the sake

of my listeners and friends and even financial supporters of this

show in the protestant reform denomination who may have recoiled in horror

uh because they deny the free offer of the gospel that they think that most people

define that incorrectly.

Whether or not that's true or not.

I i can't say but i just want to say that there are.

There is a disagreement amongst uh faithfully reformed christians

over that.

But i can tell you that protestant reformed church even though they say they deny the

free offer of the gospel they do believe in the indiscriminate evangelism of the

lost.

You know they will evangelize everyone from the most perverse prostitute to the most pious

preacher who may have a false gospel.

So i just wanted to give that caveat because i know that there is a debate amongst reformed

believers about that issue because of the way that phrase is defined.

I just wanted to throw that out there.

No i understand.

That's right.

Yes the uh the mecca of calvinism in the united states jerusalem of the reformed

church.

Yeah i guess that's a better way to phrase it than the mecca.

Let's go back to pakistan and your their calvin christian academy in

lenoir.

I i had had to interrupt you when you were in the middle of describing the growth of that academy.

Uh well that's amazing amazing.

One of our director's wife she has since gone to

be with the lord.

And you know she just saw those poor naked children.

Slums you know we don't.

We don't see slums like that in the united states.

I mean open sewage

insane body of

water school began to

develop study and

then k through

four and eight and

the british system.

Another academy in an area where they there were a number of

believers.

Another christian colony.

And then a third and a fourth.

It's amazing you know step back and see what god is doing.

Faithful to the word of god.

Um every morning about 4 45 a .m.

I'd love that calvin academy one from the loudspeakers.

The word of god is read every day reading through the bible.

It radiates out in the community.

And then

27 are in their homes and the

old children knowing how to read

and to read overwhelming with

joy to see that

happen.

It's not what i

had struck with rmd.

And our director says he himself being raised

out of

the five years old having to care for his family.

His mother had died and he's not lost sight of that lifted

out of.

So now we have these four academies.

And then we open the

medical class with the doctor.

They volunteer to give them a small stipend but full -time

nurse on call.

And

medicine

right.

The major part of the cause because there are

you know

in such

abject

passing

a thousand dollars a year to them

and reaching out to their children

was just showing us what you need to do

with uh you'd run

into that we are

distinctly christian.

We're primarily working.

We call nominal christian.

It's against a lot of really to preach the gospel openly

witnessing is problematic.

We do it clandestinely.

Radio and and television program.

But they shut all that down.

Missionary.

They were really the pioneers in pakistan along with the anglicans given their

due.

The father was

a typically people from muslim worlds called

muhammad.

Well another name that's typical for the christians in those muslim worlds is take the name

masih.

And uh identified with christ.

Yet they may not really understand the gospel.

So we're there we began.

Um you know

40 years ago there was no denomination

in

using the west

ministry found this isn't about coming to make money.

It's coming for standing on the

truth of god in his world.

So a bible believing church congregation

seminary that we manage.

Academy number one as it's now we're doing medical

education of the children.

We have as i said earlier the bible

literacy

primarily

children come to

join in

the primary and

let me

take

another

listener question and we'll we'll.

Return to some of those other areas geographically.

Where you do.

Sir we have christopher in western suffolk county

long island new york and christopher asks since you have

representatives of your ministry and the mission field in pakistan i was wondering if you

could recommend any good books.

On the religion of islam.

Of islam yes i can mention one while you're thinking um

one that.

Is excellent that i've heard many rave reviews about what

every christian needs to know about the quran by dr james r white who is actually a

very close personal friend of mine going back to 1995 and you can find out more about

that book what every christian needs to know about the quran at

aomin .org that's the website of alpha and omega ministries

aomin .org and you could also go to cvbbs .com

cumberland valley bible book service cvbbs .com who

sponsors this program.

But uh any.

Suggestions of your own a number.

I can

also throw out another one that would be i think helpful in.

A dialogue or discussion with muslims.

Even though this is not particularly intended specifically

as a as a book regarding ministry to muslims it involves a key tenet

of the christian faith that muslims believe is the worst form of blasphemy that anyone could

uh believe or teach though in fact the the worst sin that anyone according to

islam uh they believe that the trinity belief uh in the trinity

they wrongly understand it uh.

And in fact the quran misdefines it as being mary uh

god the father and jesus um but uh the

forgotten trinity.

By also by dr james r white of alpha to mega ministries.

And i have the privilege of having that book dedicated to me actually by dr white

when he first came out with that book in 1998 i believe.

And you can also go to cvbbs .com for that book cumberland valley bible book service.

But if you have any other ideas you can you could bring that up later.

Or you could email me and i could email them to christopher and

anybody else that has an inquiry about books for muslims.

Or to educate christians about islam.

Yeah there's a great series that's free.

Um online if they do a search you know

by

google

bu you know he goes

through what it was for him to convert to

christianity and answers for muslims dealing with

religion.

Um you know the the five great pillar

forms you know in order to be a good muslim.

And i'm trying to think

of a fellow that died.

Well i could perhaps look that up.

Uh at some point.

Yeah i think he was a another one.

Who.

With the pancreatic cancer.

James montgomery boys.

No no no.

Well.

Well i'll i'll investigate that.

And.

I'll uh inform i'm sorry that's all right.

That's all right.

We're going to our final break right now and when we return we're going to hear more about

uh different areas of the world where westminster biblical missions is

uh blessing the kingdom.

And we'll start with mexico when.

We come back.

But if anybody say that that folks if they go to the website wbm inc

contact me through the website as my email to contact me and i can send them

material.

Okay great.

A bibliography for islam of good.

Oh and quickly and quickly i just wanted to

add i.

Forgot i don't know how i could forget my very dear friend dr tony costa who is the professor

of islam and apologetics at toronto baptist seminary.

If you go to his facebook page that's the best way these days to get a hold of him

and what he's doing and what he uh you know the the youtube lectures he gives

on the subject and other places.

Uh go to facebook and look up tony costa c o s t a and make sure it's

the professor from toronto baptist seminary.

But we're going to go.

Ahead.

Oh go ahead if you got a break.

Yeah we're going to a break right now.

And uh you could pick.

Up where you left off there.

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Dennis roe.

Tell us about the work of westminster.

Biblical missions in mexico.

They're

called

from

carbondale

where i was

began

with

cameron townsend

way back

in the 40s i believe and he was was

uh dr

mcdowell

guinea the prince

made the entire new testament into the

prefecture language.

But you can find out more about that in particular on our website under mexico.

Dr bill higgins is so he's been doing that work for over 20 years

now.

What began with not an

ordained minister.

He formed church

government.

It's been over

20 years of dr higgins.

He's really the one who's been pioneering that taking up the work of dr lay

with a number of churches now for the people.

And they're doing the work of being self -governing

propagating they're they're evangelizing late that they've

gone through the years to go

about city

to people a

lot of

good

material.

Because in spanish there's been a lot of sound

and many of everything so forth are available

and we're using those and distributing them among the people.

I should say that at the heart of westminster

into the hands of the people bibles.

And in pakistan my first trip into mexico we had filled up the back

end of the pickup truck with spanish bibles and went out through the countryside distributing them and giving

them to people.

And we do that in our field in central and eastern europe as well

as in nepal working in the past uh six years.

And we're just uh you know thankful that

god is raising up a very difficult there.

It's you know 90 plus percent roman catholic and they do

persecute.

How do they do that specifically.

Well they actually have murdered some of the pastors.

Wow they will threaten them.

Tell them they lose their salvation.

They have anything to do with those products.

Don't rent to them.

If you do you'll be you know basically booted out of the church

whole nother world down there and and rome has reared its ugly head

often in mexico where it dominates

from where you're converted to cry

out by your family

alongside them as brothers encouraging them.

One of the things we do is we organize companies to last

in line because the coronavirus folks

in in mexico where we've been going for

um 25 years holding those cops.

Well.

I'm going to give you now a minute to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds.

Of our listeners today i'll

need your help the co -laborers with us to go yourself.

But you know you could pray

for magnet and put them help

and assist financial needs.

But most important is that we're in

a new field in

nepal.

About what's going on.

You find a christian.

There were maybe five that god has opened the door and now there

are hundreds of thousands.

They desperately need sound

doctor.

You read first democracy.

Second thing he did that was the great missionary.

That's what he said.

You build the church upon gimmicks and just trying to

bring people in by external methods by but but by preaching jesus christ.

God used

said

that

he.

Had to come there would be that other witness and we are now out of time brother and i will repeat your website

wbminc that's for westminster biblical missions inc incorporated

wbminc .org.

I want to thank you so much for being such an excellent guest today dennis.

I look forward to your return.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ.

Is a far greater savior than you are a sinner.

Amen.

Thank you brother.