November 17, 2020 Show with Dennis E. Roe on “Reformed Theology & Missions: A Perfect Match”

The Great Commission and the Sovereignty of God

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Today we have on our program a returning guest. His name is Dennis E. Rowe. He's the General Secretary of Westminster Biblical Mission and today we are going to be addressing Reformed Theology and Missions, a perfect match and we'll be hearing more about some updates that you'll need to know about Westminster Biblical Mission and the services they provide for the body of Christ.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dennis E. Rowe.

Thank you very much Chris. It's my privilege to be here today and share with you what God is doing, the fields that we are called to serve with Westminster.

Great. Well, why don't you right off the bat tell our listeners about Westminster Biblical Mission.

Well Westminster Biblical Mission was founded in 1973 in Pennsylvania, your home state now, and a couple of missionaries who became badly those things, they needed to have those men that they knew in them to come together and had that beginning.

The missionaries from one brother, like a Macedonian call for him to go to South Korea was led to practice a Biblical mission. Come mission always was, he came from John Nebius, notable Reformed minister and missionary in the indigenous population to be that very thing.

So it's our mission to lead and I think to build them up to abilities governing.

Brother, are you using a speakerphone because you're just slightly muffled. It's, it's still, you're still audible, but you're slightly muffled.

I am already and yet I'm kind of a form of communication.

Okay, I guess we'll just have to cope with the audio quality the way it is. Um, one of the things that our audience may be unfamiliar with is the primary denominational affiliation that you have, the Reformed Church in the United States, otherwise known as the R .C .U .S., formerly known as the Eureka Classus.

Why don't you tell our listeners about the R .C .U .S.?

Denomination that I've been privileged to serve since 19, we now class these that make up that thing. It's not that, um, the Westminster Biblical Missions is exclusive to the R .C .U .S. In God's providence, I mean, that's been my denomination.

We need new board members. I know these brothers well, and we're very concerned about having men who have the majority. They've been dominated. The lawyers that I've now served, this is my 30th year as General Secretary, it's been that influence.

Denomination, we may be off on that for a number. The active kind of labor within Reformed Church, and of course, a little difference is that brothers from, you know, strictly Reformed, usually forms of unity, certainly are in agreement with them, and they have to be to be admitted.

The governing creedal documents for Westminster Biblical Missions are the Westminster Standard. Now, is there anything that sets the R .C .U .S. apart from some of the other major.

Reformed denominations like the OPC, like the PCA, like the ARP, and other of the more well-known Reformed denominations? And of course, let me throw in there the RPCNA, the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America, known as the Covenanters, who are set apart due to their belief in exclusive psalmody in worship and also exclusive a cappella worship, although there are pastors and congregations within the other denominations I mentioned who also have adopted that position, although in those other denominations they are a minority.

So, is there anything that would stand out as being unique to the R .C .U .S.?

It shouldn't be unique to the R .C .U .S. I mean, we are very strict holding to...

Well, that's refreshing to hear.

That's an anomaly in our day, I'm sad to say.

But I think it's a requirement for the faculty at Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary in South Carolina. I'm almost certain on that.

Yes, I believe that's correct. Our brother Joey Pipe has done an excellent work on quite women in the ecclesiastical office that seem to, you know, physically correct that whichever way the wind is blowing, denominations seem to be battling with these things within and even wavering on this.

It's not even an issue when CERN is met locally with planting churches and foreign missions. And I'm happy to say that our denomination of biblical missions, we only have, you know, 50 congregations. That's not only ours, but our denominations working in Africa, which I have real encouragement.

Well, if anybody wants to find out more about Westminster Biblical Mission, you can go to WBM for Westminster Biblical Mission. INC for incorporated .org. WBMINC .org. And hopefully we will remember to repeat that. Later on in the program.

Well, before I get into some specific details regarding updates all over the world in regard to the Westminster Biblical Missions, I'd like you to spend some time seeking to clarify to our listeners how Reformed theology is not only compatible with the notion of missions, they are in perfect harmony, unlike the slanderous accusations that many outside of the Reformed faith hurl at us, we who are Reformed, who teach that Calvinism is the death knell of missions, and that they are incompatible, that the phrase Reformed missionary would be an oxymoron.

And yet we who are Reformed, who understand these things, we see them as a match made in heaven. We see them as perfectly harmonious, and even more of a bolster of a encourager into a driving force behind those who enter into the mission field, because people, brave, courageous, dedicated missionaries that venture out abroad, and even some domestic missionaries who evangelize in the 50 states, but they are certain, because of our theology, not in spite of it, they are certain that God's elect will come out from every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and therefore their efforts will never be in vain, even if they personally never see fruit being born on this earth while they are personally on that mission field or while they are alive.

But we believe that ultimately these promises will occur. But if you could tell us, in your own words, why is Reformed theology and missions a perfect match?

Sovereignly connected to all the world. I mean, when you look at Matthew 28, most people only quote 19 and 20 for the Great Commission, they miss verse 18, where Jesus said, all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.

The sovereign who says, go therefore and make disciples of all the nations. God ordains the means as well as the end. And he is ordaining the preaching of the gospel. Paris says, yes, it's foolishness, but to those who are saved is the power of God and the salvation to everyone who believes.

And so we understand that is what God, you know, requires of his church to be doing. We're to be a light set upon a hill, not a candle hidden under a basket, light that reflects Jesus Christ under the nations.

As well, the New Testament, that's a great emphasis, calling in of the Gentiles, literally the nation from every tribe. And that's what we're doing. We're trying to be faithful to the sovereignty. People need to understand his sovereignty is what validates, you know, his commandment to see him and not do it.

We see the fruit of that go into all the world. And that's what we're doing. Whatever we're going.

To do.

Just to defend myself on your own website, it says Westminster biblical mission singular.

Oh, no, people want to know. I'll get out. Thank you. I'll make that correct.

Assuming that I gave the correct URL w b m i n c .org. That's the website I'm looking at. And it's singular right at the top.

Make note of that. It's the way Jesus began.

I actually saw, I believe I saw a movie version of that many years ago, but I can't remember if I enjoyed it or not. If I enjoyed it, maybe I shouldn't have.

That can be. I, you know, I bring that up just because I think of myself. When I was in seminary in the early 70s, that I don't people ask me, you ever consider being a missionary? Oh, no. Thoughts have nothing to do with foreign missions.

We need the gospel right here in the United States of America. Well, God is sovereign and he had other plans for me. He soon brought people into my life that changed that direction. One thing led to another anecdotal story with you, if you'd like.

Oh, yeah, sure.

You know, I say I'm the accidental missionary. That's what I was leading up to. You know, I had no intent. Although my wife says that when I proposed to her, we were in this, she had come to school to be a missionary.

Look at me. I'm a full-time mission field. Sure enough, he's been with 43 years, this accidental missionary and encouraging me in this work. One thing led to another where I met brothers from other nations come and help us.

I had an intimate relation with them and their, and their families and helping them in the church where I served first in Pennsylvania. And then in the same here in California, where I now live. And one thing led to another and I've been involved with foreign missions for over 30 years.

Well, praise God for that. In fact, what we're going to do right now, because I'd rather not interrupt you mid-sentence, but we're going to go to our first break right now. And if anybody wants to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisanzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N, gmail .com.

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Arns and if you just tuned in to Iron Trump Zion Radio our guest today for the full two hours is Dennis E. Rowe, General Secretary of Westminster Biblical Missions, plural, and we are discussing how reformed theology is actually a perfect match for missions and we're also in just a bit going to be hearing about some specific updates on the mission field regarding Westminster Biblical Missions.

If you do have questions of your own our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com chrisarnson at gmail .com. Before I move on to any other specific question do you you had some.

Anecdotes so did you want to share some more? About how I got involved. Okay in seminary I didn't go right into the past working in a church in Wisconsin and every Wednesday evening the pastor would read very faith missionary newsletter.

I mean I'd never heard a missionary newsletter like this. That was really a theological poem if you will and they were just excellent in that way it wasn't just good and wonderful. Or in the reality is the mission field like church work is often very difficult a lot of issues and problems and discouragements and you just just read the New Testament Paul's labors.

I mean they were trying to kill him. I did go into the pastoral ministry in 1982 Pennsylvania seminary and I heard that it was going to be given at the seminary and they were all open to pastors. It was on the diaconate and the teacher was bringing this up.

In particular most people know of Tim praying for him. He's quite ill with pancreatic cancer but I was there to hear about the diaconate operate that ministry and build it up. And on a coffee break I'm standing there talking to a fellow and he told me he was a missionary to.

I go really have you ever heard of Mr. Biblical Mission he says. I sure have. I'm he coffee break and I tell that story because Tim recently told a story how that God used a particular circumstance unbeknownst to the speaker I think it was J .I. Packer that God used it in Tim's life.

That's how he and his wife ended up in Manhattan church planting was how I ended up in mission because that mission. I need to get involved and our next meeting is a second such for that. And it's been a small mission our missionary it's not a huge organization where you hardly know one another but the commitment to the sacrifice of the individuals involved has always been to me and make me count it as a great with these men a missionary who gives you know most of his inherent work on the field.

That's just one example a missionary working for you know 20 years never taking any salary I mean that that's to be involved with men like that it's just a tremendous. You got me involved with well that's some providence especially since uh the denomination.

That you are in obviously would not permit him to be a pastor since he is an old earth creationist. And I would disagree. I would be aware of that. Yeah and I would disagree radically with him because he even I think is on the extreme fringe of the old earth folks.

But uh we do uh ask our listeners to pray for him because he has one of the most deadly if not the deadliest forms of cancer. My own mother perished from pancreatic cancer in 1995. I am so glad that she made a clear profession of the the biblical gospel and her total trust in it and her total trust in Christ alone and his finished work on Calvary in order for her to enter into heaven which I have absolutely no doubt that she did having been a witness to her her clear biblical proclamation of faith.

But um the uh. Well let's hear uh about some of these unique mission fields that uh you are working with with Westminster biblical mission. I know that Pakistan is one. Tell us something about the religious uh climate if you will of Pakistan.

I know that there are obviously muslims there in abundance but from what I understand it is a country where.

Uh Christianity at some level is tolerated years ago. Now the blasphemy law can bring a charge against another muhammad often used as a trumped-up charge to bring epic and custom set. It is this the littlest excuse.

Uneducated and illiterate trying to work to help alleviate. Because they're so illiterate you know they just get stirred up by the religious leaders. They don't even know whether it's ever and often it's been just because somebody wants to get another person's problem.

Get at them advantage of them. Havoc and a lot of fear. And of course in the culture that the Christians were allowed to would only get so far in the society would not hold all. We see it really going to.

Even young Christian girls kidnapped and rape cases things like that to make day-to-day living in Pakistan not easy. Burn down the entire village shout that out and go in and in their friends and burn down church there.

I mean I first went back in uh late 80s since any fear and they were speaking uh you know making derogatory comments when I might be when we're at the school. We have a lot of lady teachers at our school tell us something about.

The school I know that the uh somehow even in spite of the danger that you just mentioned I know that the Anglican Orthodox Church denomination which is a theologically reformed uh Anglican denomination uh adhering to the 39 articles which is a very faithful biblical and reformed uh confession yes I'm familiar with them and they have a seminary.

There uh that manages to exist. Tell us about your school. Began with theological. I remember trip in 89 where we were renting the building and we only had the one student. Have a student. God and his sovereign uh good providence has enabled us to press on.

And areas laboring. In fact in Villanova Pennsylvania the two original missionaries were helping a local church there. Property was quite valuable as you know Villanova area. Able to give us uh money it was a hundred thousand dollars.

We've never had money like that property there. The first. Uh we now have full property though with our soul and training for pastors critical needs. And but uh we were able to build a building god's people gave.

We have the seminary building. But then the director's wife had a real burden on her heart. She saw all the children in the area. It's yohannabad. Get john from that yohann. Supposedly because the muslims could come and live they wanted with their husband.

Oh can we have the children over. He goes. Oh if we do that then they'll call me large numbers. And we won't be able to have the seminary time. But she prevailed upon him. She wanted to have them just for a little bible study children.

Half of them are naked. And from that grew calvin christian out at that school. And then three more campuses. Now we're approaching you know seeing what god.

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