We Should Have Just Made This a Radio Free Geneva

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August 26, 2020

Spent some time at the start on the rise of woke religion, Pastor Warnock from Atlanta supporting the evil of abortion, etc., but the majority of the program was focused on key texts relating to election, atonement, and salvation, working through issues raised by a discussion I've been having with Seth Dillon, the CEO of The Babylon Bee. We worked through 1 Timothy 2, Hebrews 7, Romans 8 and John 10. For those who enjoy exegesis and theology, this will be your kind of program! Visit the store https://doctrineandlife.co/ Visit the store at https://doctrineandlife.co/

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00:33: Greetings and welcome to the dividing line James white along with you along with the reach Pierre the the favorite person of All the we have a huge French population in Arizona.
00:44: Just just massive. Did you get a lot of requests for your your flaky croissant? You did get
00:54: That's good, that's good. I think there's actually a small town named after him somewhere somewhere in France I'm not really sure where I try to keep an eye out for it during the
01:03: Tour de France which begins this weekend actually If it makes it all the way through Because the last
01:09: I heard They literally were saying that if a team And I this includes all our support personnel everything else that if a team had two positive kovat results
01:21: They'd pull the team from the race can you imagine if you get into the third week because those of you don't know the
01:26: Tour de France Tour de France is like for those of us who are cycling fans The Tour de
01:32: France is the Super Bowl And it's three weeks long and in fact normally you you have nine weeks of the
01:42: Grand Tours During the cycling season all of that of course has been completely trashed and messed up by the worldwide global panic over the 99 .99
01:54: % survivable coronavirus Which Would not have stopped us from going to the moon, but it would today let's just put that way anyway, and so Everything's getting crammed into they're still doing all three of the
02:08: I think are doing all three of the Grand Tours And they're just cramming them all together in the fall where people are normally starting to wind down now
02:18: It's this and so the Tour de France starts, and I'm I'm pretty certain you're pretty excited about this
02:26: Yeah, so all sports
02:33: But does it yeah, but does it matter? Just just the just the aerial views of your beloved fatherland or motherland or whatever it was
02:43: I would think would just thrill your soul because I mean and Then the last you know the last stage being on the
02:51: Champs -Élysées in in Paris. I mean But look
02:58: For a lot of folks that doesn't matter how long ago it was You should still you should still be very very focused upon that but anyway
03:07: Yes, Rich is with us as well. How did I get on to it? Oh, I want to announce something right up the start here a couple things
03:17: This is going to be October 2nd and 3rd Sort of in the way isn't it and get that a little bit out of the way there
03:24: October 2nd and 3rd two debates textus receptus versus critical text this will be explain apologetics
03:33: This these the same guys who did the thing we did on four views of apologetics
03:38: We were gonna initially when I was contacted was would you like to do a four -man debate? And I'm like well,
03:44: I don't know and we've gone back and forth back and forth Please notice how this is gonna work. It's gonna be a
03:49: Friday night Saturday morning Situation here, which is a little bit of a bummer for me.
03:56: It messes up my Saturday long ride, but we'll We'll we'll find a way around it
04:01: Even even here in Arizona, October 3rd still gonna be a hot day. I can assure you of that But we can ride inside later if we have to anyways two debates
04:11: Friday night Saturday morning First debate on mark 16 9 through 20 and the second debate on Ephesians 3 9
04:20: Obviously the focus here is Well the focus from me is
04:28: Going to be where it has been from the start and has to be I try to be consistent and that is
04:35: I believe that the TR only position being promoted by dr. Riddle is a historical and it is inconsistent and I will win the debate
04:49: The instant the dr. Riddle makes reference to any textual data whatsoever in regards to the long grinding of mark
04:57: Or any textual data whatsoever regards to Ephesians 3 9 because it doesn't matter Here's here's what
05:03: I just want everybody to do listen to the first debate The long grinding of mark has a large amount of textual evidence in the sense of large number of manuscripts early references
05:21: My primary problem with it is that it's not the only ending of mark that exists and therefore since we have extremely primitive
05:27: Manuscripts that do not contain it and then we have multiple endings. This is indicative of a disruption in the transmission of the text and as such
05:40: We should not place the kind of dogmatic authority Into that textual variant that you would in that which contains no textual variance and so what you're gonna hear is you're gonna hear about you know the the broad testimony of the
05:57: Byzantine manuscripts the long grinding of mark and and you're gonna hear some explanations as to why it's the
06:04: Codex Codex Washingtonianus has what it has and and and things like that and that's fine, that's great and There are there are perfectly fine
06:16: Scholars that make perfectly fine arguments for the longer ending. I I am
06:21: NOT convinced that that overcomes the Absence in a small number of very early manuscripts and the existence of the other endings
06:32: That the key thing for me is the existence of the other endings But all that aside because there's entire books have been written on that please
06:40: Take the time to to read some of the books that have been written on that particular subject you'll you'll get to hear everything and more material than we'll be able to get into in that time period but What I want you to do is
06:54: I want you to hear that Hear the positions and then listen the next day because Ephesians 3 9
07:05: Has none of that evidence and And so if that evidence supports longer ending of mark
07:13: Then the consistent application of those arguments Should mean that you do not have the reading of the
07:21: TR to Ephesians 3 9 consistently There won't be any consistency Case closed.
07:28: Yes, I Wanted to point out a textual error that I've just discovered here on this and that is that Standard time doesn't happen until November So that is a textual variant right there that needs corrected.
07:45: That's true because that's gonna be DT DT that should be DT and and so imagine how many people will be misled because of that error
07:54: We're the only ones that we're the only ones to care about it because we have to Because we don't play with our clocks, but no wait a minute is is that that's not a
08:02: King James A Text there. Is it is that a no?
08:08: No, okay. No idea. Yeah, no idea But anyways, that's coming up October 2nd and 3rd.
08:13: I'm just telling you now Listen in carefully and I believe you will
08:18: Be able to see you know what? I am I almost feel like the cameras gotten bumped and there's more room behind me than there used to be
08:28: You know, they don't think so. Okay, I Was last one to touch it. Okay.
08:33: All right, whatever you say Okay, and then let me
08:41: Double check this here. Oh great. I haven't installed the right one So this isn't gonna have it, but I believe it is.
08:50: Oh, wow. This is so old. It still has me going to Australia I believe it will be the the 5th of September.
08:57: I think I Need to double check that but I think on the 5th of September Yeah, I want to make sure
09:05: I've got all my details we're going to do a program I'll get the details and we'll be able to put this up.
09:11: We're gonna have a program That's gonna be dealing with the key texts in the
09:18: Texas Receptus, but I I don't have Everything I've got in front of me Forgot that I hadn't installed my
09:25: I'm using a new calendar program and this has the old calendar program And so it's it's it's not allowing me to open it.
09:31: It's probably around there someplace, but So there's gonna be some some interesting discussion on these textual critical
09:39: Issues over the next month and a half or so. And so I hope you'll keep an eye out for those
09:45: Particular things. I think they will be useful real quickly. I Knew I had seen this guy
09:52: Tom Buck posted a picture and Then a article came out megachurch pastor and Democratic Senate candidate
10:03: Says abortion is consistent with Christianity and I'm looking at the picture and I'm going
10:08: And I looked in it and it said Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, and I'm going Yeah, something just happened with that guy.
10:15: This is the guy that quoted Isaiah 53 and applied it to the congressman At the guy's funeral only a few weeks ago lo and behold he's running for office as a
10:26: Democrat shocking shocking and yet he
10:31: He says I've been focused on women's health women's choice Reproductive justice
10:37: Warnock said that is consistent with my view as a Christian minister and I will fight for it
10:44: Then when pressed on that regards to Roe v. Wade This is I think that human agency and freedom is consistent with my view as a minister.
10:51: He said Woke religion destroys
10:58: Christian religion and here is a good example of it Here is here is a black minister
11:08: Defending the greatest mechanism ever designed to destroy
11:15: To be a to be one of the main weapons in the destruction of the black family How many hundreds of thousands of Black babies have been torn apart in the womb by abortion that and and so But knowing that knowing that reality listen to the terminology
11:39: Reproductive justice think about The evil the moral evil
11:50: That is required To talk about Saline abortion
11:59: Dilation and curatage abortion Late term abortion procedures
12:08: Which are nothing but infanticide That you can watch on sonogram these days
12:17: Think think of the the intensity of evil that it requires to equate those barbaric acts with the phrase reproductive justice
12:31: What is that supposed to mean in what possible world?
12:37: Can you? defend meaningfully The idea that you are doing justice in this fashion
12:47: That that's what I'd like to know. I Really doubt that pastor
12:53: Warnock puts himself in a position of having to answer meaningful questions about this very often But This is one of the reasons why the testimony of the
13:04: Christian Church has been muted. That's been muted for a lot of different reasons But this is one of them because the other side can always find somebody to deny the fundamentals of the faith
13:14: I mean if worse comes to worse you go to Union Theological Seminary It's like they have a speaker's bureau of apostates.
13:21: They can just sort of send out to do your thing but here you have someone who calls himself a
13:27: Baptist pastor who Uses the term reproductive justice
13:38: Obviously we live in a day once again, we all know it 1984 completely fulfilled take every word
13:46: Redefine it to mean its opposite, but then use it Amongst people who are still using the old vocabulary with the new meaning so as to create utter chaos in society and That's what we have going on here.
14:02: So racism Well, you've redefined it. Once you redefine it to where it's no longer an act of the will it is no longer
14:11: Sinful it is not sinful to be a white person. It's not sinful to be an Asian person or Hispanic person it's not sinful to have all of your ancestors come from either
14:22: Scotland or Yeah, Britain I try to suppress that part of my heritage.
14:28: But anyways, it's it's not sinful that is not sinful and So once you redefine those things then you turn around and you call someone a racist and you're hoping that the old meaning of that term
14:41: Which carried proper moral opprobrium will still communicate even though you're using it in the newly defined sense
14:48: Here use term justice To be the opposite of what justice is.
14:53: It is not just For people to engage in illicit sex
15:00: It is not just For the current most popular song in the the land to be a
15:11: Filthy vile Disgusting subhuman
15:17: What other terms can we come up with Celebration of perversity
15:26: Performed by two black women. Well, not just two there. There were many others in various states of undress and I think there was a
15:35: I don't know if she was technically black or not. It's like asking Sean King black. No, he's not
15:41: But People identify as such I guess I don't know.
15:47: All I know is it's a it's perverse. It's disgusting that's
15:54: That's part and parcel of why we have the situation in our land that we have
16:02: That's why it is it is astonishing to me that once again as the statistics show a
16:12: Black woman in America is three times more likely to seek an abortion than a white woman in America Why is that?
16:19: What are the reasons? targeting of Planned Parenthood But when you can have the utter
16:27: Dehumanization of black women being performed by black women who are now being paid tens of millions of dollars to do it
16:34: That comes from the community itself and when you can have men in that community who have 28 children by 16 women and In the context of the number of abortions taking place
16:51: Then the in the entire structure of the family has been absolutely decimated crushed destroyed destroyed and the results well
17:05: Evidently you can't talk about it without being a racist so you can't come up with solutions because you can't talk about the problems and So you come up with this kind of language reproductive justice which is a
17:23: His mouth should be washed out with soap is how my mom used to put it Because that is an absolute abuse of the language
17:32: It's an absolute abuse of the language But that is the pastor of the 6 ,000 member
17:39: Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, you should be nicer
17:45: James I have no respect for people who defend the murder of the unborn in a day when we have more
17:51: Knowledge of the humanity of the unborn than we ever have before Don't ask me to respect the doctors in the
17:59: Nazi death camps And I'm not going to respect the people who today can know exactly what abortion is and refuse
18:07: To listen and do this kind of thing talk about reproductive justice. I have no respect.
18:13: Don't ask me to have it Don't ask me to have it. See in my day.
18:19: You actually earned respect You earned respect you didn't it just wasn't given to you because That's what's changed all opinions now deserve respect.
18:32: No, they don't No, they don't my my opinion of on Pakistani rugby
18:43: Cricket Pakistani cricket. Yeah Does not deserve the respect of Anybody because I don't have a clue.
18:51: I could not name a single Pakistani cricket player. I Happen to think crickets fascinating to watch but that's because I travel in places where people actually
19:00: Watch it But but I couldn't my opinion on that is not equal to everybody else's
19:08: That whole idea is Stupidity on our part. So anyways, I saw that and I was like, wow
19:16: That's where that came from. Okay, I I forgot what that what that was. I know it is.
19:23: I know it's MLK Talk about a complete Destruction, I mean there you have a situation where The content of the character is irrelevant the color of the skin is all that matters
19:41: Yes, yeah as little children. Yeah. Well anyway, okay,
19:47: I Wanted to talk a little bit about that I Might as well go ahead and mention this really quickly
19:57: Couple weeks ago we we we melted the the internet when we had my friend
20:03: John Cooper on from skillet John posted a video yesterday and Of course he and I've been talking about this since it started but he lives in Kenosha, Wisconsin and When I first saw
20:22: The first news about it. I texted him because I knew he was he was away and I'm like, dude, and what's going on and They've returned home and yeah, it's not far away and you know, we need to pray for Kenosha and I was listening a little bit to some news coverage today.
20:44: I've got Somewhat of a good feeling about which direction it's going there because I mean these people are shipped in from all over the place to burn and riot and and Do all the things they do and I just don't think they want to be staying in Kenosha They they go to places like Chicago because there's lots of places and Kenosha is not that far from Chicago That's why
21:09: I think a lot of those people's people showed up. So I've got hope that Things are gonna
21:15: Calm down there. I'm not gonna go into the discussion of the shooting right now I've watched the video.
21:21: I've talked with some of my friends who are former police officers in leadership positions and Shared with them my analysis and they've said yeah, you're spot -on but More information will come out just as more information has come out on the
21:38: George Floyd situation I Think there's already enough information to make commentary, but I'd like to have more before we do so But there is one thing
21:49: I do want to say. I Saw a it scrolled as it always does The Senate in the state of Virginia the
22:00: Virginia went Democratic in 2019 if you want to know what's going to happen in January of 2020 the 2021
22:10: If Joe Biden and the Democrats win the Senate in the house if they if they take over If you want to know what's gonna happen.
22:17: Look at what has happened in Virginia because They took over the governor
22:23: Senate House, there was no breaks left and The Democrats have simply been working overtime to pass as much leftist stuff
22:37: Limit just destroying rights left and right in the state of Virginia over any and all objections and that's exactly what's coming in January 2021 if The Democrats have the house and the
22:52: Senate and the White House That's how they that's that's how the left works.
22:57: It doesn't matter Constitutionality is irrelevant. The Constitution is irrelevant that they've already they've already shown that So that's that's that's coming, but they just passed a bill that's now gonna go to the house, which is also run by the by the socialists to Lower The status of assault on a police officer in Virginia to a misdemeanor and There's a picture of a cop
23:30: On the story and the thought across my mind was just this why?
23:38: Stop and think with me for a moment if you have a 17 year old son
23:44: Let alone daughter I I'll be perfectly honest with you. I've I've never felt women should be police officers and I some of the videos
23:52: I've seen of them being beaten mercilessly Has verified that in my in my thinking but or in combat roles, but you have a 17 year old son and he comes to you today and Says dad mom.
24:12: I'm thinking about becoming a police officer What are you gonna say
24:19: What are you gonna say We're losing the professionally trained ones left and right they're retiring they're getting out and They're getting out because they know that the people who control them the politicians the leftists
24:34: Are on the side of the mob Not on their side. They're not on the side of law They're not they're not inside of justice
24:41: Constitution They they took an oath to support that Constitution, but they they violate it they don't care
24:48: The Darwinian worldview gave them the basis for doing that by the way But they don't care and So they got nobody there.
24:58: They're being told they're being paid a pitifully small amount of money to go out and risk their lives and then they're being told you cannot defend yourself and If someone
25:12: I mean again the videos of cops getting killed they are unfortunately online it's sad
25:19: But but you can see it happening People being shot at point -blank range. So why would you tell your son?
25:28: Take a job That's gonna pay Low end to middle end which is gonna constantly put you in a place of danger
25:41: But now you cannot defend yourself The other guy has to be given the first shot Minimally and if you're of a certain color, you can't shoot back at all
25:51: Because if you do it doesn't matter the the the the scenario is already written It doesn't matter.
25:59: So Just keep that in mind We're talking about what we need better trained officer
26:06: Are you gonna get better trained officer who in their right mind is going into a police academy right now?
26:13: Do you really think you're getting the best prospects here? Smart people look at the situation go now is not the time do we did it to ourselves we did it to ourselves
26:27: I don't blame them. I Do not blame them for a second. They are being abandoned.
26:33: They're being given a completely impossible job thankless job, so When all these leftists who are
26:48: All for the destruction of the Constitution destruction United States And defunding the police when someone starts breaking into your house at two o 'clock in the morning.
26:55: Who are you gonna call? Well, there's if you're put on hold or if there's nobody coming it's your fault you did it
27:03: This was this was your this was you're doing Completely just saw it as it scrolled by and I was like, wow.
27:13: Yeah. Well, there you go. There's there's where it is All right. There are so many
27:23: Issues I want to get to today but been having some conversations on online and What happened oh
27:36: I did have that that There it is right there Virginia Senate approves bill to downgrade penalty for assaulting a police officer.
27:43: Okay, there is one. I Too many tabs too many tabs What happened online recently over the past couple days
27:53: Remember I think it was last week. We did a radio free Geneva and I responded to William Lane Craig and the video he put up on Romans chapter 9 and pointed out that he
28:07: He put he pulled the flowers on Romans chapter 9 He he read through about verse 6 jumped down to the end of the chapter and moved on from there
28:16: Skipped over didn't even read interact with take notice of bring into the consideration the key elements of Romans 9 7 through 24, so Interesting that that seems to be the best way people have to get around Romans 9 is let's just not actually read it
28:35: Let's just just let's just give some Overall overarching assertions about what it's about and let's not actually walk through it
28:44: Been there done that got the debate t -shirt in 2015 myself, so I know exactly how that How that works and a conversation ensued because Seth Dillon Promoted that video in a in a tweet now if you wonder who
29:03: Seth Dillon is he's now the CEO of Babylon B Now he didn't start it as I understand that was
29:11: Adam Ford who has moved on to other things and now
29:17: Seth Dillon is the CEO of Babylon B and So someone tagged me
29:28: Because if I recall correctly Something had been said about Ephesians 2 8 through 10 and the issue of saving faith and faith is a gift of God and Had said you
29:44: If I recall they had said you might want to look at what I had written the subject in the Potter's Freedom or Somehow I got tagged and so I started seeing you know how if you don't do
29:57: Twitter you start seeing comments coming through your your Textual flow shall we say your timeline and You know,
30:09: I saw this for a little bit and and then finally saw some tweets that made me go well no
30:15: No, wait a minute. That's Okay, I'll go ahead and you know start commenting on a few things
30:22: Because it was all the standard stuff. It was it was it was Erasmus and Luther It was stuff we've gone over and over and over I've written
30:33: One two at least three you could probably say up to five if you throw in a couple of the other books
30:40: Books on these subjects. We've done debates over the years Lots of Radio Free Geneva's and things like that and so Seth and I start going back and forth and I would go to a certain text and I'd go to John chapter 6 and What does he do he he does the
31:01: John 12 escape route now Those of you who've listened to this program for years knows exactly what
31:07: I'm talking about When you go to John 6 44, what do people do they jump out of John 6?
31:13: into the future for the audience in John 6 to John chapter 12
31:20: Interpret a text there out of its context. They never ever mentioned that This is where Jesus is being sought by the
31:28: Greeks and This is from where Jesus is talking in response that never meets with the
31:34: Greeks So he's talking about nationalities here Because it's the
31:40: Greeks that are seeking after him. So it's Gentiles and etc, etc Jump over there if I be lifted up,
31:48: I'll draw a man unto myself and I Again provided the answer that I didn't come up with these answers
31:56: These have been provided for a very very long time back into the earlier part of the church, but especially since the
32:05: Reformation and I pointed out that if that is the case then
32:13: You're stuck with universalism. First of all, you're misunderstanding 12 You are
32:21: Really presenting the idea that the cross is an attraction to all people when in fact the biblical teaching is the cross repels 1st
32:29: Corinthians chapter 1 preaching the cross is them. They're perishing foolishness and In fact
32:36: Paul himself makes God's election The determining factor as to whether the cross is something that is the power of God to you or foolishness to you
32:44: It's whether God elected you or not, that's that's what 1st Corinthians chapter 1 says That's that's its whole message.
32:51: That's why he says it is by his doing you're in Christ Jesus. So no man may boast That's what 1st
32:56: Corinthians chapter 1 is all about. That's that's its essence. But So you end up with this weird view from John chapter 12 and you read it back into John chapter 6 called is a
33:07: Jesus. This is not how you do exegesis is not how you handle the text of Scripture You take something from it's from the future read it back into a text that the audience could never have known of at that point in time and say
33:22: Voila there it is. That's that's how That's how you should understand it. The problem is once you do that, it turns you into a universalist because in John 6 44 the one who is drawn by the
33:35: Father is raised up by the Son and And so if all people are drawn universally
33:42: That's what you did with John 12. You read it back into John 6 now Jesus is gonna raise them all up in the last day and It's very clear in John chapter 6
33:51: That every time it's raised up in the last day is being raised to eternal life it's it's it's not just raised and then judged and send into hell or something like that no, it's universalism
34:03: So I point this out. I've gotten no Every time I've gone to the text and pointed to grammatical issues
34:12: Issues along those lines. I've gotten no response What I've gotten is the standard Well, it can't be that because of all these other verses and when we go the other verses we find out they're not saying
34:23: What's that the saying either? So one of the key issues is
34:30: Well here just a little while ago I Know text has been modified.
34:37: He says they straight face. That's me as He edits his Bible in dozens of places to make the words world whosoever all and everyone mean only the elect you have a
34:47: Audacity, I'll give you that Now he's told me he's read my books. I don't believe him.
34:53: I'm sorry. Sorry Seth. I don't believe it Because you're a smart guy and if you had your responses would be much better than they've been so far
35:02: I don't think you've read it. I Really don't So When someone
35:10: Says world to me. I go. So as John says in first John chapter 2 we are not to love the world right
35:21: But God's the love the world and we're to be like God So you've got a contradiction right because world always means the same thing every place.
35:26: It's used right since it's so easy to to tear apart
35:34: The Synergistic Isagetical Gymnastics that man's tradition has forced upon a lot of people
35:44: We've been doing this a while. This is this not our first rodeo. We've heard all this stuff before The term world is used by John minimally ten different ways possibly fourteen different ways in his gospel alone
35:57: So are you talking cosmos turn I on you talk? What are you talking? Are you talking about inhabited world?
36:03: There's lots different ways to even translate various Greek words as the word world. So Where have
36:09: I said world means only the elect? Very common again, you know, you read
36:16: Dave hunt you read that's what they always say, but let's be specific Let's let's what what's the text?
36:23: whosoever Wow Shall we go back to the open letter to Dave hunt back in? 2000 on what pass hop is to own means everyone believing
36:35: That started quite a interesting movement back at that point in time didn't it shouldn't have it's again
36:42: We're not saying anything. It hasn't been said by generations before us every generation has to deal with why well
36:49: What's the human tendency to? diminish Man's power and authority or to exalt man's power authority you you tell me
36:57: What is more likely that mankind will seek to control God's sovereignty and power and put us in charge or the other
37:07: It's pretty obvious. That's why in every generation we have to deal with the constant creeping humanism that comes in and so You know when he says you have a
37:23: DAS audacity, I'll give you that well Thank you very much But what I actually have is the text and you don't
37:32: That's the difference between us you've got your traditions and when you say well, but there's all these clear texts and then
37:39: I go to them and I showed you Philippians 129 no answer.
37:45: I Gave you lexical meanings. I gave you syntactic categories. I didn't I don't think
37:51: I don't remember Quoting Greek to you yet, but if you want to go there we can do that.
37:58: That's fine but I was giving you the data that underlies the
38:03: English translations and If it's audacious to go to those things great fine.
38:08: Wonderful but the comments have been rather interesting as well and You're seeing the same type of Stuff In -and -out and here's for example in the
38:28: Commentary on that last tweet that I had read The soul doctor
38:36: Says try explaining away this all Try explaining away this all well,
38:43: I don't want to explain away anything, but I'll be happy to interpret a Text consistently across the
38:51: New Testament. Well, we'll do that. And what we have is first Timothy 2 3 through 4. Oh Well, once again, let me just point out here's the current edition of Potter's freedom and We have right here beginning on page
39:11: This is page 135 chapter 6 CBF's big three verses
39:18: Big three verses so chosen but free Norman Geisler's book stop doing that Norman Geisler's book the big three verses the three verses that he quotes over and over and over again, but Doesn't bother to exegete just assumes a meaning throws it out there
39:40: Shows no evidence. He's ever read any Reformed interpretation of any of these texts just throws them out there as already established
39:48: Clearly meaning what I mean texts. What are they? They're Matthew 23 37 first Timothy 2 4 and 2nd
39:58: Peter 3 9 and so starting on page 135 and going to page 151 you will find a fairly extensive discussion of first Timothy 2 and so first Timothy 2 4 starts on page 139 and So we've got 1 2 3 4 5 6
40:26: And a half ish Just six and a half ish pages Nothing probably do a lot more but dealing with this particular text now has the soul doctor
40:40: Taking the time to find out what you know, he's Calvinist. They've got seminaries and Really big on original languages.
40:48: I mean man those Puritans Back in like the late 1600s in England those
40:53: Puritans who were Calvinists By the time they were in their third year of graduate training
40:59: So this was they were very young Third year they had to be able to debate in Greek not read
41:07: Greek That was already given debate in Greek. I Mean these people are weird they've you look at you look at some of the major commentaries that on key books like Romans and Galatians and stuff like that and hmm, they're
41:22: So many of them are written by Calvinists. It's strange. Why they just must not have read these passages
41:28: No, we have and you see we have this thing. We have this overriding consideration of the need to be consistent
41:37: Need to be consistent because see one of the beauties of reformed theology is we see all of Christian theology as a whole
41:44: So what I believe about salvation has to be consistent what I believe about God what I believe about the Trinity so so that's why a couple weeks ago at church when
41:55: I was preaching on Particular atonement limited atonement as some people call it
42:01: My whole point was this is Trinitarian atonement. This is the Father the Son the
42:06: Spirit working in harmony with one another. So last Sunday when I preached Saying a continuation of that into Hebrews chapter 7 though.
42:15: We barely survived that because we just found out yesterday It was so hot
42:21: You know why someone had been working on the AC at the church and had taken the the
42:28: What do you call them in the power Break it turn the breakers off the fans would run but the units wouldn't we had no
42:37: AC going From four to six o 'clock on Sunday afternoon with a packed house
42:43: And I was preaching Whoo -hoo, that was They've got the breakers on now.
42:50: So what yes.
42:55: Yes. Well, I was I was preaching fire brother. I was preaching fire Yep. Oh, yeah, there is there is some extra excess hot air there.
43:02: No two ways about it But it will be cooler. I'm just letting everyone know you can come back this
43:08: Sunday. I am preaching again I'm gonna be preaching on the perseverance of the Saints. Why is it that Christ loses none of his sheep?
43:18: Why is it that he can pray as he does in John chapter 17, why is it
43:25: That Jesus says he comes down as having to do is not do his own will But will the Father the will the
43:30: Father for him is he lose none of those given him? We're gonna be looking at that this this Sunday. I decided Jeff needed another week off because he's working himself
43:38: He's not gonna make 70 at the rate. He's going so you're telling me that the folks who stayed with you
43:45: Nobody left. We're per were Saints persevering. They were Saints persevering. They're saying there's there's a now
43:51: We have a we have a dear. We have a dear dear lady Her husband's a deacon in the church and she's 39 weeks pregnant and she did not leave
44:02: So there were she's gonna she's got that little little one this week at some point
44:08: So yeah our people but when I walked up to our music guy is standing there at the beginning
44:15: And I walk up and his forehead is just beaded just all the way I mean you can literally go like that and would have you would have splashed guys next to him.
44:23: It was it was that bad? Whoo. Anyway, so how do we get on that?
44:28: I'm just letting everybody know if you go to apology It's gonna be cooler this Sunday. Honestly, it's working now
44:35: We should have known because we've had hotter Sundays We've had hotter Sundays not many
44:41: We we officially hit 110 again today and that makes 49 days now, can you imagine?
44:51: 49 days this year of 110 and above The record in the past was 33
44:58: It's 2020 folks, I mean It's 2020. Anyways, what we're talking about here.
45:04: Oh, so the point is we have covered these things many many times before and while I know what the
45:14: Armenian synergistic provisionist whatever Interpretation is texts are for some reason.
45:21: I don't See that the other side knows in response, so if someone knows the soul doctor
45:29: You might want to let I Can't tell honestly the picture
45:39: I can't tell that whether that's a male or female I really can't There's I'm not gonna
45:46: I'm not gonna be going clicking around looking for stuff here But so in answer to the soul doctor try explaining away this all
45:53: Here's the all this is good and acceptable inside of God our Savior desires all men to be saved to come to the knowledge of the truth
46:01: Straightforward right here is my response. I gave a one tweet response Try Rereading that in the context of verses 1 through 7
46:13: Tell me does Jesus mediate between every single human being and the father does Jesus intercede for every single person?
46:19: Yes or no as of right now I don't see a response to it
46:28: But we'll see maybe somebody will direct this person to what I'm saying here, let's take a look at it that is
46:36: Okay. All right, if you say so These days, are you sure? Look in our generation that was but these days.
46:46: Are you sure? I'm not gonna tell you we're just good.
46:52: We'll let well, we're gonna let that one slide so First Timothy chapter 2 first Timothy chapter 2
47:00: First of all, then I urge that entry is it's as big as it's gonna get first of all Then I urge that in treaties and prayers petitions and thanksgivings be made on behalf of all men
47:12: For kings and all who are in authority so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life and all godliness and dignity This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our
47:18: Savior Desires all men to be saved to come to knowledge of the truth for there is one God and One mediator which also between God and men the man
47:25: Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all the testimony given at the proper time now
47:32: Let's walk through it. I Urge that in treaties and prayers petitions and thanksgivings
47:40: Be made and here is the text who pair pontoon on throw pawn in behalf of all men in behalf of all men
47:51: Now in Normal human language
47:57: Would that mean that the Apostle was urging Timothy? to have continuous never -ending formal prayer meetings
48:09: Where the entire Ephesian phone book big city, by the way The entire fit and most tradition puts
48:17: Timothy there in Ephesus The entire Ephesian phone book is brought out and you start with the alphas you end with the omegas and then you restart again
48:24: Is that what anyone would have understood? No, it's not what everyone who understood What would they have understood that he is encouraging that?
48:35: Prayers be made for all kinds of men. Why we'll look at the very it's the same sentence.
48:41: Remember verse divisions are Editorial you have who pair?
48:48: Okay in behalf of pontoon on throw pwn Who pair?
48:55: basile own now, please notice we continue a String of Similar forms here so on throw pwn basile own on tone those being in positions of authority
49:13: So You have these are all connected together, this is all one sentence So Paul himself tells us what this on throw pwn means in behalf of Kings Well, if you're already if you were already praying for every human being on the planet, you'd be praying for Kings anyways, right?
49:33: Now, why does he have to say basile own? Why does he have to say Kings? because They were the ones who are bringing persecution
49:42: They're the ones who have power they're the ones who want you to bow to Caesars authority and If first Timothy is being written toward the end of Paul's life, maybe he's already in prison
49:58: So maybe you're angry at The representatives of the Roman Empire the
50:03: Kings who have these authorities you you've locked up Our dearly beloved
50:08: Paul Paul says no you pray for them you pray for them Why so we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all godliness and dignity
50:18: When you pray for them that changes your attitude toward them good lessons for us today one.
50:25: I certainly need to be following I Mean, it's hard to be praying for certain people in our society right now.
50:32: It's really hard when you know, they're seeking to Make the life of your grandchildren a living hell
50:41: It's hard. It's hard to pray for those folks. But the point is basile own is
50:50: Not an individual. It's a class of individuals and So in the language
50:59: You have an entire string of Genitives and Those Define each other.
51:14: So if you have kinds of individuals class of individuals
51:21: Then that is consistent for what all men is in behalf of all kinds of men in behalf of Kings and all the ones having authority in order that We might live
51:39: Lead a tranquil quiet life in all godliness and dignity. So from the start we have the
51:46: Apostle Making reference to what? categories kinds
51:53: I Didn't write it. He wrote it if you're going to dismiss it You have to disprove it if you ignore it that means you don't really want to listen to what scripture says in the first place
52:06: All right All right This is good and acceptable
52:12: Before or in the sight of God our Savior Who?
52:19: Pontos Anthropos fell I so then I who desires all men to be saved
52:28: Chi ice epig no sin. I'll a thios alfine and to come to a knowledge of the truth
52:36: So Quite clear, right God has a salvific desire and it's an equal salvific desire to save every single
52:47: Person in the exact same way now you immediately stop and you realize no one to whom this was originally written would ever have thought of that They wouldn't these are people who fully aware of the history of God's redemptive acts in Israel and they know
53:07: The Old Testament, they know that God said you've you only have I known speaking to Israel The term yada that that intimate knowledge chosen you only have
53:20: I chosen They they know that that God destroyed the Egyptian army.
53:25: They know that God brought the plague the firstborn upon the Egyptians they know
53:32: That God has destroyed the Assyrians and He's used the people of Israel to destroy all sorts of nations to make that land their own and then when they
53:47: Send used for Lang foreign lands and then destroyed those foreign armies such as the
53:52: Assyrians Isaiah chapter 10. They know That God has not shown the same salvific desire in The past that he showed toward the people of Israel.
54:05: That is a fact of history. That's a fact of the Bible They did not use our
54:12: Western way of individualistic thinking They were not Americans we think that way
54:22: We demand our individual rights. It's got to be in the Constitution, right? That's not how they thought
54:30: How would they have understood this term? How would they have understood this sentence? Well, let me let me Present it to you in its context
54:38: Given that we've already been talking about types of people Who desires
54:47: Pontos Anthropos all men including Roman governors
54:55: Roman senators People in authority the very people persecuting the church and Imprisoning Christians and killing
55:06: Christians and it was only going to get worse until the piece of the church in 83 13 and Then it was going to be the
55:14: Roman Church doing it a thousand years later But including kings and those in authority
55:24: God wants God desires their salvation as well So you pray for her because when you pray for somebody you are making yourself
55:32: Available and ready and prepared to be an instrument in bringing the word to them
55:39: So who desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth true knowledge Epinosus of the truth.
55:46: So this is true salvation and That means his desire extends to all kinds of men
55:54: Including kings and those in authority. That's the context that Paul provided Don't blame me for that and don't say that I'm modifying the text
56:02: You are modifying the text when you ignore the context itself You are modifying the text when you insert your universalism into a text that the authors would not have even understood
56:14: You are doing that not me Not me and there are a bunch of you sitting there right now good
56:22: And you if you're honest, you'd go I had never even thought I Had never even given consideration
56:31: To those preceding verses But he's still wrong And you know it you never even thought of it, but let me show you something else you didn't think about Now you notice take a look at this you notice how
56:46: Five and six are laid out here. This is an essay on the 28th edition of the Greek New Testament And you'll notice how it is placed into Poetic form it's placed placed into verse form
57:00: That indicates that on the part of the editors the assumption is that this is
57:07: Either an early creedal statement or a hymn fragment Or maybe even just a poem but probably a hymn fragment creedal statement
57:19: Placed in this context so as to be more easily memorized and You can see how it does flow for there is one
57:32: God and One mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus who gave himself an antelope on antelope on ransom
57:44: Who pair pontoon in behalf of all? the witness at its own time or at the proper time and Then he says it was under this that I was appointed a a caduceus a a preacher a proclaimer an apostle
58:03: So on and so forth so here is sort of this is it's a valuable text to put alongside first Corinthians chapter 15 and First Corinthians chapter 8 for some of these early fragments of creeds and hymns and Extremely valuable insights into the most primitive period of the church
58:25: But I want you to consider the theology that it presents to us first of all
58:32: Especially to my Muslim friends High scar they asked there is one God Christians have always been monotheists will always be monotheists.
58:42: It is a foundation of everything that we believe There is one God and there is one
58:49: Messitas mediator Say you Kai on throw bone Between God and man and that between is coming from the very lexical meaning of messitas
59:04: Because it's it's a mediator. So a mediator mediates between two or more parties
59:09: But since only two are listed then between would be the appropriate English translation But notice the repetition heist
59:17: Garth a OS heist Kai messitas they you Kai on throw bone, so one
59:25: Where where else have you have we seen this? Just a little side issue here. Just keep the
59:31: Thinking going if you've already heard all this before But this is the same terminology as the
59:38: Shema in the Greek Septuagint the Hebrew the Shema Shema Yisrael Yahweh Elohim Yahweh Ahad, but in Hebrew that that Ahad is heist one one and so just as in the
59:55: Greek expanded version of the Shema that Paul provides the first screen is chapter 8 in that creedal statement
01:00:01: One God father from whom one Lord Jesus Christ using all the language from the
01:00:06: Greek translation of the Septuagint Here you have heist being emphasized yet again, but used both of God the
01:00:15: Father and Then of the mediator between God the Father and man the man the incarnate man
01:00:22: Christos Jesus The incarnate man
01:00:27: Jesus Christ Who gave himself very important Again if you're dealing with Muslims the self -giving of the
01:00:40: Sun absolutely central and it's the parallels to the Carmen Christie Philippians chapter 2 very very interesting the one who gave himself giving himself as a
01:00:52: Ransom and antelope Ron who pair pontoon in behalf of all the testimony at the proper time he does this and He is the ransom and if that who pair pontoon is universal
01:01:09: The ransom is universal and the ransom has been paid It's not just a potentiality
01:01:16: Which again raises another issue, but here's the question that I was asking The soul doctor
01:01:26: Jesus is described here as a media between God Chi on throw bone
01:01:34: The verse has been quoted Try Explaining away this all
01:01:41: It's first Timothy 2 4 and there you have Haas Pantas on throw poos
01:01:49: Same term all men So are we talking about different men here if first Timothy 2 4 says that God wishes to save every single individual human being and For every single human being to come to knowledge of the truth
01:02:12: For there is one God and there is one media between that God and every single individual human being the man
01:02:19: Christ Jesus Then Paul is assigning To that term man a universal meaning and Jesus is the mediator for all men
01:02:29: What does he mediate to them in whatever system you believe in because see amongst synergists?
01:02:36: there are a Myriad of Opinions as to what is required on the part of man for this
01:02:49: Potentially provided salvation to be actuated so You have people who have tons of things that must be done entire sacramental systems that have to be fulfilled
01:03:00: You have to remain faithful throughout the Entirety of your life and you got to keep your nose clean and you got to make sure not to die in mortal sin and blah blah blah blah blah blah and Then you got other people say not it's just a matter of tipping your hat man
01:03:12: Just as long as you just go once you go. Yep, I believe tip the hat boying take a punch going to heaven and you got everything in between but if you
01:03:25: Insist against the flow of the text which began talking about categories of men if you ignore that Throw it out bring in a
01:03:35: Western way of thinking into an Eastern written document and Say no, that's what this is about.
01:03:43: Then you are stuck with universalism or you're stuck with a messitas a mediator who cannot save because if he's
01:03:59: Interceding for every single human being and every single human being isn't saved then his intercession is not enough, right?
01:04:08: You're saying that his intercession is important. It's wonderful. Lovely. We should be thankful for it
01:04:14: It's not nearly as important or powerful as the will of man. Let me give you a more consistent understanding of 1st
01:04:29: Timothy chapter 3 who desires to save all kinds of men including those who are kings and those in authority and to come to knowledge of the truth
01:04:41: There is one God and there is one mediator between God and those men that he saves
01:04:47: The man Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom in behalf of all kinds of men
01:04:54: Including Jews Gentiles those in in positions of authority. You can go through all the places where Paul does this type of thing so Jews Gentiles slave free
01:05:06: Scythian barbarian You know Colossians 3 etc, etc Who gave himself as a ransom on behalf of all of these men the testimony given at the right time?
01:05:17: It's perfectly consistent. There is absolutely nothing in the text that mitigates against it and it is absolutely consistent with Paul's own theology
01:05:24: And it flows from the actual context. The other reading does not it has to pause it a break and go
01:05:30: Yeah, he was talking about praying for all kinds of men, but that's that's not relevant here. Yes, it is
01:05:36: Yes, it is Now let me show how this is then consistent with Paul's own theology
01:05:45: Assuming my theory that the book of Hebrews is a Pauline sermon Written in Greek by Luke because it's not
01:05:54: Paul's style, but it's certainly his theology Let me remind you of this tremendous passage in Hebrews chapter 7 being a verse 24
01:06:05: But Jesus on the other hand because he continues forever Holds his priesthood permanently.
01:06:10: Therefore. He is able also to save Pantelis Ice -top Pantelis, excuse me.
01:06:18: Ice -top Pantelis forever or Completely Those drawing near by him to God Always living to make intercession before them or for them in their behalf
01:06:36: So he is able to save Do not
01:06:43: I Sudden able to say he is able to say he has that power.
01:06:49: He has that capacity There is a specific people that he saves
01:06:56: Hearkening back to those who came to the temple On the day of young Kapoor.
01:07:02: It is not their coming that saves them. It's not they're coming that makes them special He is able to save completely
01:07:12: Why Why does he have this capacity? Why does he have this power? Because he always lives to make intercession in their behalf.
01:07:21: Whatever else you do with this verse What it's teaching is his undying nature
01:07:29: Allows him to remain in the holy place to intercede for a specific people and that Gives him the power to save them completely
01:07:39: That's what it says that's that's a one of the most important parts of the apologetic of the book of Hebrews you take that out and the book is
01:07:47: No longer Arguing the same thing and arguing in the same way. So Christ saves those for whom he intercedes if this is indeed
01:07:59: Paul then in first Timothy 2 5 and 6 That mediator between God and men, what does that mean?
01:08:12: If the man is universal then you've got universalism if the man is all kinds of men men from every tribe tongue people a nation as It said in Revelation chapter 5
01:08:27: John chapter 11, etc Then you have here the elect the elect of all people of all nations
01:08:37: He is able to save them completely because he always lives to make intercession for them. It's his intercession that avails nothing they do
01:08:44: His intercession that avails. All right That's consistent
01:08:53: How about our old favorite Romans 8 Same thing Romans 8 31
01:08:58: Therefore what shall we say to these things if God who pair hamon is before us who can be against us?
01:09:05: He who did not spare his own son but who pair hamon pontoon in behalf of us all
01:09:14: Delivered him over how shall he not also together with him freely?
01:09:19: Give us all things who shall bring a charge against the elect of God God is the one who justifies who is the one who condemns
01:09:27: Christ G is the one who died rather who was raised who is also at the right hand of God who also is interceding in our behalf so some people identify it as the very pinnacle of Christian Revelation Romans chapter 8 the high -water mark and What are we told in?
01:09:56: the heavenly realms no one can bring a charge against God's elect why because God's one who justifies and Christ is one who died.
01:10:04: Yay rather was raised from the dead who also Enter seeds in their behalf at the right hand of God That's Hebrews 725
01:10:17: That also helps you understand who is it who draws near to God through him in? Hebrews 725 it's elect of God Romans chapter 8 if you allow these texts to actually
01:10:26: You know be by the same author about the same subject utilizing the same verbs Same context that kind of thing sort of important That's the foundation of then asking who will separate us from love of God.
01:10:44: No one because Christ intercedes for us The father's justified us the son intercedes for us in very presence of God the right right hand the father so I've provided a
01:10:59: Contextually based grammatically based lexically based Interpretation that follows
01:11:06: Paul's thought and Paul's teaching both in the close context of 1st Timothy chapter 2 and the broader context of his teaching of what mess it tastes and the concept of intercession
01:11:19: Would mean so I hope that is useful to the soul doctor but also to Seth Dillon as well
01:11:30: I Would challenge you to think about this. I would challenge you to think about why?
01:11:37: Would any Christian because they're you're gonna have to Seth you gotta understand. We're gonna have to go here Once you're faced with this information, you've got to deal with it.
01:11:46: You can't just ignore it you You've got to you've got to deal with this And if you if you deal with it here's what you're gonna be stuck with and it's a sad thing because I It's it's just it breaks my heart when
01:12:09: I see Christians Laboring to find a way to make sure that Christ can fail to save his people
01:12:23: But that's what they do literally you you will
01:12:29: You will find people who will go to these texts and let's say well, it doesn't really mean
01:12:36: That because Christ intercedes for someone that they will actually be saved
01:12:43: Because it He tries He really does try he tries very very very hard But Still It's not really up to him the father tries the son tries the spirit tries
01:13:07: It's the triune try but the triune
01:13:14: God fails If not assisted by enabled by allowed to by the
01:13:23: Almighty will of the creature so That's what synergism is that's its essence can't get away from it the
01:13:36: Many of my synergistic brothers are inconsistent at this point. They they don't recognize the tradition that they're holding and as a result
01:13:48: You know they They go the way they go They're inconsistent.
01:13:55: They're inconsistent. Let me just close with one Last text that I'd like to share with you because it will be relevant on Sunday When I will be preaching again
01:14:11: Some of you know that we live stream we didn't live stream last week may have been just we're sweating too much to bother
01:14:19: But may I think that just back we'll have the have the stuff that we need But we normally live stream the sermon
01:14:28: Somewhere around 445 our time depending on when it gets started and Jeff has ruined me.
01:14:37: I almost never go less than an hour now it's just I've just I've given up trying to yeah, but when you only have one service you got it
01:14:47: You know you got it cram it all in there, so we will go to two and a half hours for the whole service
01:14:53: But We do put it up live and so if you're interested in a sermon on the subject of the perseverance of the
01:15:01: Saints that takes That takes fully seriously the reality of apostasy
01:15:08: They went out from us, so it might be demonstrated. They're not truly of us There are apostates and we are surrounded by them today
01:15:14: There's a lot of apostasy going on Someone has been saying for years. There's gonna be a wave of apostasy coming
01:15:21: Yeah, and so we're in it That'll be
01:15:27: Sunday afternoon four o 'clock Mountain Standard Time and We'll just let you figure out what that is wherever it is you leave.
01:15:36: That's seven o 'clock Eastern What? No, four o 'clock
01:15:44: Mountain Standard Time. We're always Mountain Standard Time. No, I'm telling the truth
01:15:52: What do you want? What do you want me to say? What time do you want me to give three?
01:15:57: Do you want me to say four o 'clock Pacific Daylight Time? But we're not in the Pacific Time Zone No, we're not we didn't move you know how bad this is gonna get by the time we're 70
01:16:15: I Blame whoever is stupid enough to keep re Redoing this thing.
01:16:21: I mean someone always introduces legislation every year to get rid of it, but it never passes. So I Give up there's not gonna be any legislature in the future.
01:16:30: Anyways, anyhow John chapter 10 John chapter 10 this beautiful beautiful text from From Jesus.
01:16:42: He's it's winter, which is really nice right now I'd like to just think about what that feels like even in Israel.
01:16:48: I'll take winter. I'll take winter He's walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon Juice around him say how long will you literally lift up our souls?
01:17:07: If you are the Christ then tell us openly plainly and Jesus answer is them
01:17:13: I I told you you didn't believe you're not believers The works which I do in name of my father these testify concerning me
01:17:22: But you're not believers. You're not believing Because you are not of my sheep
01:17:31: Now you see people today Say well anybody can become one of the sheep just by believing but Jesus explained their unbelief by their nature.
01:17:40: You're not of my sheep He had already done that in John chapter 8 when he talked about Why can't you hear my words because you don't belong to God?
01:17:51: Oh, what but but if but if I choose to hear that I'll know that's not what you said That's not what you said.
01:17:57: In fact, we never did get around to that and I I'm sorry about this Layton posted that video where I was looking at John chapter 8 and we're at specific 43 and 47
01:18:08: Why can't you hear what I'm saying? Because you don't belong to God he who belongs God.
01:18:13: Here's where's God you don't hear because you don't love God exact opposite of the mindset of evangelicalism as a whole provisionism specifically
01:18:26: But synergism as a whole as well Any system that is grounded upon the primacy of the autonomous will of man in the faith decision
01:18:37: Fundamentally has to say this at one point or another And so here you don't believe because you're not in my shape
01:18:47: Verse 26 you are not of my sheep now my sheep hear my voice and I know them and They follow me
01:19:06: So Jesus says my sheep hear my voice This is not some esoteric
01:19:16: You'll get divine revelations from Jesus about which car to buy in the car lot car parking lot type thing
01:19:24: This is the intimate relationship that exists between Christ sheep and himself that Harkens back to the same type of Relationship existed.
01:19:42: I mean you've you've heard all the stories you could mix all the sheep together in a big community pen and then when the shepherd would come to the gate, he'd call his own sheep and his sheep knew his voice and They would follow him the other sheep would not
01:19:59: So he could call his flock out and they wouldn't become all mixed up there is a owner owned relationship that exists there and This is the promise that Jesus has here and it goes
01:20:15: Beyond that. I know them. I Know them
01:20:22: Kago ginosko, I'll talk I know them that those are beautiful words You want to be known by the one who gives himself in your place
01:20:32: This is personal salvation. Not not I know an empty sheepfold
01:20:39: That is impersonal and it's up to you to fill it up. That's that's synergistic salvation
01:20:46: No, I know them and Remember, this is relevant to the issue of the perseverance of the
01:20:51: Saints Because what does Jesus say to those he casts away from him in the book of Matthew depart from me for I what
01:20:59: I Never knew you. I Never knew you. These were people who said they were
01:21:04: Christians. These are people who said I I follow the Lordship of Christ. I've done these things in your name, etc, etc, etc
01:21:12: Jesus depart from me. I never knew you Jesus cannot say that to his sheep he knows them and Since he knows them
01:21:22: I give eternal life to them now just I don't think
01:21:28: I'll ever in the rest of my life be able to Encounter a passage like this without stopping and saying to people don't miss what this means about the majesty of the person of Jesus So much of the evidence of the deity of Christ is in words like this.
01:21:44: Can you imagine anyone else saying this? Can you imagine a prophet just a plain old prophet exalted prophet?
01:21:51: Can you imagine Isaiah? I give eternal life to them. No It's blasphemy in the mouth of anyone but the
01:22:00: Incarnate Son and I give and the very idea God is the one who has the power to give eternal life
01:22:08: Every Jew knew that and that's why In only a matter of a couple verses they're picking up stones stone him and I give them eternal life and They shall never perish.
01:22:24: Ooh, may Apollo and Thai iced on Iona and No one will snatch them out of my hand now
01:22:36: What is amazing and again sad to me it breaks my heart When professing
01:22:43: Christians and I've had the conversation I have had the conversation when professing
01:22:52: Christians I'll show them this text and they'll say that's and they shall never perish and they'll say
01:23:03: Well, yeah, no one can snatch you out of his hand, but you can jump out you can jump out so the sheep could stop following the shepherd and Could jump out resulting in their own perishing
01:23:21: Even though it says and they shall never perish No one is able to snatch them out of my father out of my hand.
01:23:29: No one has that power. No one has that capacity but then almost just so that Just as in all of the
01:23:37: Gospel of John there is this Glorious purposeful balance always kept between father and son my father who gave them to me is greater than all and No one is able to Harpozine to grab them to grasp them out of snatch them out of my father's hand now notice the phrase
01:24:05: Who gave them to me? sound familiar John chapter 6
01:24:12: All the father gives me Will come to me. This is the giving this is the drawing.
01:24:20: This is this is God's sovereign action of Giving his elect people his
01:24:28: Lima his remnant To the Sun Because he becomes their substitute they are united to him in his death his burial his resurrection
01:24:39: He becomes their forerunner into the holy place, that's why we're seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus all Jesus all the time absolute exclusivity
01:24:49: No room for inclusivism here absolute exclusivity and It's in that freight that context then that you have
01:24:58: John 1030 a go -kai hapa tear hen S men I and the father we are one
01:25:04: I and the father We are one Now very briefly
01:25:14: Notice that when I said we are one There are people who get confused.
01:25:19: They think that what G is saying. I am the father No, he's not the father if he was trying to say
01:25:26: I and the father we are one person Then he would use a singular verb.
01:25:32: He didn't he used a plural verb s men is plural So I and the father we still maintaining the distinction are one now
01:25:43: You will be able to find study Bibles and books and everything else that when talking about The unity of the
01:25:56: Godhead and things like that, this will be one of the verses that's quoted and I've always been a
01:26:03: Little sensitive to that because It's true, but it needs to be understood in its context as to why it's true
01:26:11: This is not some ontological statement that says I and the father we are one being
01:26:18: That that is taught in Scripture, but it's taught in a different way There's a context here always have to follow the argument
01:26:29: What have you just had in Verse 28. I give eternal life to them never perish.
01:26:35: No one can snatch them out of my hand My father was given than me. It's greater than all no one's able snatch them out of my father's hand
01:26:40: I and the father we are one in what in the salvation of God's people in Bring eternal life to the elect.
01:26:48: They are one there is no Division between the father and the son
01:26:56: Now that's relevant to the other stuff that we've been talking about today because if the Sun intercedes
01:27:02: There is going to be unity between the object of his intercession and the object of the father's election and salvation
01:27:08: There you never have to worry about the Sun's gonna intercede for someone the father doesn't want to save So if the
01:27:15: Sun's intersection can save Then the entire synergistic system flies out the window just by that one consideration
01:27:26: But the point is that the unity of the father and the one and the son is so close in The salvation of God's people now does that still teach the idea of Christ?
01:27:36: Of course, it does this could never be said of any mere prophet So that's why it is remains relevant, but it need you need to understand this because the cults understand this
01:27:50: I've seen Jehovah's Witnesses quite rightly protest against Christians using this text because the
01:27:56: Christian didn't know what the context was And they would say well, yes, it's it's talking about one in bringing about salvation of the sheep
01:28:05: They were right They didn't see what that then meant They needed a
01:28:10: Christian who knew it in context to explain that to them But that's the important thing to keep in mind
01:28:16: All right That then becomes the background of the picking up the stones quoting Psalm 82 Jesus identifies them as false as false judges quoting from Psalm 82 and That's what you've got in John chapter 10, but the point being
01:28:31: What a wonderful consistency Here you have his sheep his sheep and What does what does
01:28:43: Jesus say to the Jews who do not believe You're not on my sheep
01:28:51: And what does Jesus say about his sheep? I lay down my life for whom? for the sheep
01:28:58: So if in one context he says to one people you're not my sheep And he says
01:29:03: I lay down my life for my sheep. I want to think through what that means.
01:29:09: I want to consider What that means? so anyway All right
01:29:15: Love having the opportunity to get into the text in that way and to consider those Particular things and that just happened to take us right to an hour and a half
01:29:25: On our time. I wasn't really looking at the clock, but hey Worked out perfectly I'll try to get the information up on that September 5th program
01:29:36: I don't know if I've been sent a Thing on it yet. I don't want to jump the gun, but we'll we'll get it up if I do have it at home
01:29:44: I'll get it up on social media. Sorry And we'll we'll make sure everybody knows about yes, sir real quick programming note
01:29:52: We found out two days ago You already know this that the problems that we've been having still having problems today's even though today's stream really well
01:30:01: We're still streaming at 360p. So The the problems haven't cleared up yet.
01:30:07: They apparently there's a a traffic thing going on to where our node is according to Cox saturated a
01:30:15: Node is a fiber optic connector that connects all the coaxial systems to the fiber optic lines
01:30:22: Blah blah blah They're going to split that node and get us on to a separate node and all these problems are supposed to clear up But it takes two or three days to make that happen
01:30:33: So we're hoping and praying that by next week all of this has gone by the wayside and we're back to normal So that's we'll see until that node gets saturated
01:30:47: It's always something new it's always something new So anyway, all right, thank you very much for watching the program today