04-11-2021

All right, last time for Easter, this was my mentor, Dr. Rocky Freeman, and I don't know how many of you guys got to hear him preach. I know if you were here years ago, you heard him many times. He would come here at least once a year and preach for us, but he was remarkable.

So we actually played part of one of his sermons last Sunday, and it was really amazing. I just wanted to pop this up here so that you can figure out how to find many of his sermons have been put on our website by Ben Mitchell.

So you just go to Park Meadows Church. Be sure you add the word church at the end or you get the wrong Park Meadows. But Park Meadows Church dot com, click archives and right under that, you'll see several different types of sermons.

The top one there is Dr. Rocky Freeman. Just click on there and we have new series is being added from time to time because we have all of his. He sent a tape of the month club when he was in his ministry.

He's in heaven now, if you didn't know that. But when he passed away, his wife gave me this big metal box full of all those tapes, the originals. So Ben digitalized those for us and is starting to add them to our website.

They're awesome. So take advantage of that if you could. All right. So let's review just a little bit today. We're teaching through the book of Romans verse by verse. And so we've made our way all the way to chapter 11.

And this to me, I, you know, I love preaching through the Bible and wherever I am is my favorite verse. You know, you're probably like that, too. I think this is my favorite book or this is my favorite chapters wherever you are.

Right. But this I do like it when I come across things that cause us to have to study things that when you read it, you go, well, I'm not sure I know what that means. Those are good. Those are good ones are ones where you say, I'm not sure I'm understanding all that this means.

Show me more, Lord, whatever. But this is certainly a passage like that. And I'll show you why this little part here is review. But I want you to think with me about this, because a lot of folks, when they read the scripture, they don't stop to figure the things out.

If it's something they don't understand, they just go faster and then get to the next part. Right. And you should I don't think you should do it that way. I think I think that, you know, every cross of the T and dot of the I in the Bible is inspired.

Every word is important. So certainly every verse is important and we need to understand it all. So I know sometimes it's OK to skip past something when you don't have time to study it and find something to read for today.

I understand that's fine, but it's really good to try to seek understanding of things we don't. And I think this is this could easily be a passage like that. And I'll show you why. Romans 11, 1, I say, then has God cast away his people?

Now, we know from the context, having started with chapter one, verse one, we know who he's writing this to, you know, who we know, who Paul is speaking to. He's basically speaking to the church at Rome, which until around, you know, 300 A .D. was an excellent church.

And then it was ruined because it started taking state money from the Romans and it ruined it. But before that, it was really strong. But it consisted of Jews and Gentiles. And Paul was always interested in speaking to the Jew first and then the Gentile, even in his sermons.

If he had both in the room, he would speak to the Jew first and then the Gentile. And then, of course, both of those groups are divided into three types of people. And you had lost sheep and you had saved sheep and you had goats.

Those three kinds of people are in every room if the room is large enough. Now, on the small, I'm going to just go with it and say we're sheep. All right. So I hope everyone here is a sheep. And, you know, I can tell you how you can tell the difference.

If you're a goat, you don't care. And you might probably likely not be here today, you would be off somewhere doing something else. But if you're you can be a lost sheep and just don't feel that you're saved yet, but you still have a really strong conscience and, you know, God's watching you and, you know, God's dealing with you.

And that's kind of the difference between a lost sheep and a goat, because a goat is not going to get saved. A lost sheep is someone who's not saved, who is going to be saved. And the Lord knows when their spiritual birthday is.

They don't know. But the Lord knows and all that. And then save sheep like folks in the room today. So don't you think it's interesting that Paul's talking about his people, the Jewish people, and he's asking the question, has God cast them away?

Why would he even ask that, do you think? It is fairly. Yeah, and it was shortly after the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and whose Messiah was he, at least in the mind of the Jew, whose Messiah?

Yeah. And they missed him for the most part. We know Anna and Simeon were two of the only Jews that recognized him as a baby that he was the Messiah. And then very few, you know, some of the Jews would hear the gospel and be saved, but very few compared to the number of Gentiles.

And then you'd have to say, though, the first part of the first century, the church was mostly Jewish, but that changed very, very quickly to the point where it was mostly Gentile and has been that way until now.

So they basically, as a nation, missed their Messiah. And yet and so Paul asked the question, you know, has God cast them away? And then he says, God forbid. Now, what answer does that imply? Yeah, he implies, no, God has not cast them away, doesn't he?

So think about that a minute. For I am an Israelite, he says, the seat of the seat of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin, God hath not cast away his people. Now he's not implying it. He out and out said it, didn't he?

He has not cast away his people, which he foreknew. But what sayeth the answer of God unto him? I have reserved unto myself 7 ,000 men who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. So even in a time when the prophet thought he was the only one saved and God said, no, I got 7 ,000 people that you don't even know that are following me.

That was just a small remnant of the masses of people at the time, though. But the point is, God has always had a remnant. God, out of the race of humankind, out of the race of mankind, which is a totally fallen race, a totally depraved race of which the Bible says none seeketh God, not one, there's not good, not one.

But yet out of that race, God has saved a remnant. And in some places in Scripture call that the chosen one. Some call it the elect. It's the same Greek word. Some say they've been predestined. Some say predetermined.

Some say foreordained. Some say foreknown. All of those scriptures are there about that remnant of people that are saved out of the fallen human race, right? But it's true of Israel, too. There's a remnant saved out of Israel, a remnant out of each people group.

Not every individual is saved, but some people from every race are saved, right? And the world's heard the gospel now. So the general call has gone out to the whole world. So yet if you go down in chapter 11, just a little farther than where we are there with verse 4, look at verse 14 in the same chapter, if by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, that's the Jews, right, and might save some of them, look at this, for if the casting away of them, that's the Jews, be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be but life from the dead.

So doesn't that say very clearly that God did cast them away. So which is true, does it contradict. So now you're in a place where you got to go study. You can't just read that and walk away from it and say, well, who cares, and walk away from it because some enemy of the Lord, so many of the enemy of the Bible may come up to you someday and say, well, the Bible contradicts itself.

Look at this in your own Bible right there. How do you explain that? And if you haven't studied it, you can't explain it. And if you can't explain it, you're not doing what the Lord said because he said always be ready to give an answer, study to show that self-approved unto God.

Correct. So you have to be a student of the Bible in order to be obedient to our Lord. Would you agree with that? Well, places like this help because if you have an inquisitive mind, you can't just read that and walk away from it because it's a what we call a seeming contradiction.

And the reason we call it a seeming contradiction is because to us, it seems to contradict, but we know God never contradicts himself. He's perfect. So it seems like it. So that means we need to study and figure it out.

Right? So that's kind of what we're doing here. Now, what's interesting about it. Um, we know here in verse 15 that Paul says he did cast away his people. Well, let's see if there's evidence that in the old Testament, this is a little bit of review here, so I'm not going to take it long on this, but in Jeremiah 15, starting with verse one, then said the Lord, and to me, though, though most, listen, this is amazing though Moses and Samuel, if they stood before me, yet my mind would not be changed towards this people, the Jews cast them out of my sight and let them go forth.

God said to the prophet, to Jeremiah, he said, you can pray all day. I'm not changing my mind. And even if Moses and Samuel stood before us and prayed and said, save this people, I'm not listening to them.

Sounds like he's casting them away at this point in time. And it shall come to pass if they, his own people saying to me or saying to you, where should we go forth? And this is what I want you to teach them.

If they ask that question, he says, the say of the Lord, such as are for death to death, those that are going to die, send them to death and such as are to die by the sword, send the sword to them. And such are supposed to die by famine, send the famine to them.

And such as are supposed to go into captivity, send them into captivity, but I'm not saving them. Wow. So there is a time he cast away his people. It's not the only time. This is an example. And I will appoint over them four kinds.

Say at the Lord, the sword to slay dogs, to tear their dead bodies apart, fowls of heaven and beast of the earth to devour and destroy them. Wow. Now let's ask ourselves a question. If he would do that to his own nation, where does America stand today?

Think about that just for a little bit. And if you read the whole context of this whole chapter, why God is doing this, because they had turned away from God and begun to offer their children to bail, you know, um, you might want to consider the millions of abortions we've done, no different than offering them the bail by fire.

So you have to ask yourself the question, where does America stand today? I'm beginning to call America, the U S S a, and if you're old as me, you know what that, what it's a pun, right? U S S R, which doesn't exist anymore.

It's a lot like that. Now with the full propaganda and everything that we used to be concerned about the poor Russians. Cause all they heard was propaganda. Now our news is the same way. It's not news it's propaganda and there's little truth in it.

And so how long will this go on before we see some of this happening to this nation? We have to ask the question, not saying I know the answer, but I'm going to ask the question this morning, because this absolutely did happen to Israel when they did the same things and I will cause them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth because for one problem they had was they had a bad leader.

Now that wouldn't be America. Would it? I mean, America normally does have a bad leader and I don't care whether it's Republican or Democrat, right? Normally like to get where they are in Washington, DC, uh, it's going to be really hard to elect a preacher or a godly man or woman.

I'm not saying you can't, but I'm just saying, look at our leaders, the best of them, I had to argue with people, you know, people knew I was going to vote for Trump. Right. And then he'd argue with me about it.

Well, he's not the right man. I said, look, I'm not, I'm not trying to vote for a preacher. God gave two choices. He was one of them. Which one am I going to pick? I'm going to pick the one who's against abortion and the one who's for a biblical economic principles, and I'm going to vote against the one who's not, I'm not voting for the person I'm voting for the platform, but still, uh, Trump ain't perfect.

Is he, is that an understatement? He amazes me with his stuff. He says, but when I look at the other side's policies, you know, it's like no contest. All right. But anyway, look at the problem here because of Manasseh, the son of Hezekiah, King of Judah, for that, which he did in Jerusalem.

We're talking about the people leading the country. We're doing despicable things. And God said, I'm destroying the nation because of that. You got, you have brought leadership upon yourself because you're so evil.

You deserve this kind of leadership. And this is part of the problem. And then, and he goes further in verse five. For who shall have pity on you? Oh, Jerusalem, or who shall be moaned? The, you have forsaken me, says the Lord thou art gone backwards.

You know, that's where we get our term backslidden. You talk about a backslidden Baptist or whatever. Um, that's where we get it from. And I think we use it out of context. Cause this is a little bit worse than backslidden the way we use it.

But anyway, you're gone backward. Therefore I will stretch out my hand against you and destroy you. I am weary of changing my mind about it. God, that's what repent means. I'm, you know, you've done bad before and I just showed mercy, but I'm tired of that.

And I'm not doing it this time. Wow. Now you put yourself in history at this spot and you got your kids and grandkids and your mom and your grandparents, and here you are and you get this word from the prophet comes and tells you this, and you hear this sermon, what do you do?

Well, if you're smart, you flee the mountains. Literally you flee, you leave the city and you flee the mountains and I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land. I will bereave them of children.

I will destroy my people since they return, not from their evil ways. Their widows are increased to me above the sand of the sea. So all the young men are being killed in battle and the women have no husbands.

And I have brought upon them against the mother of the young men, a spoiler at noon day, and I've caused him to fall upon it suddenly in terrors upon the city. Wow. So did God ever cast away his people?

Yes or no. Okay. Now let's go back to this though now, and let's solve the conundrum here. If you read very carefully, what Paul says, we know that in verse 15, he said he's cast away his people so that the Gentiles may come in.

Did he not? But look what he says very clearly before he ever said that up in verse two, God has not cast away his people, which he foreknew and the problem we have when we read scripture, we put the emphasis on the wrong syllable.

A lot of times we like, we don't emphasize the right word. And the key word in that is foreknowledge, because if you study foreknowledge, old Testament and new Testament throughout the whole scripture, what you find out that that's talking about as Ephesians chapter one says it so beautifully is that God knew his own before the foundation of the world.

He knew every single human being from every race in every dispensation who would be saved out of the fallen race. He knew him by name before he made anything long before Genesis one, one, or at least right about that time, somewhere right in there before any, any of the world that we know was created.

He already knew who would be saved and those people he did not cast away. Isn't that interesting to know? So there is no contradiction because think about it. You're part of America, aren't you? And when America goes, if you happen to be in that city that gets nuked, you're going to die and your kids are in your family and everybody.

All right. But if God says, well, don't be in the city and you listen to that and you're off somewhere else and you're not there, you won't die. All right. So just like the Jews, many of them were slaughtered, but his, his foreknown people, most of them were taken away captive and protectected in different parts of the world.

Now it wasn't a nice at first because they were captive, but later God's people had God's wisdom and they would end up rising to leadership in all these countries, wouldn't they? That was what Hitler had a problem with.

Yeah. Most of the people that control the money were the Jews because the word of God talks about economics and finance. It's a practical book. They knew exactly what to do and the Gentiles didn't know what to do.

So they own most of the banks. Hitler said, there's your problem and killed them. 8 million of them. Right. But he doesn't cast away his foreknown ever. Isn't that a good thing to know? Cause let me ask you this.

We're part of this country too. Do we not sometimes succumb to the sins of the world and the sins of the flesh and the things that enter our minds because of what we see and do in this country. And yet I'm always reminded of the scripture that says he has placed this treasure in earthen vessels.

And it's a great comfort to know all of this is on purpose. This was God's plan for us not to be perfect. Right. Uh, it was his plan for us to serve him. And you think about it, your flesh is not saved yet.

Only your soul, your spirit are saved. The real you is the new man. It's saved, but the old man is not. And he can go either direction. He or she can go either direction. And your brain is part of that old man.

Lest we use that as an excuse. When we sin, I do think we should understand that it's on purpose that we exist this way on purpose. It's God's will. And he gets the glory when we do get it right. Correct.

But lest we use it as an excuse to sin, we should always remember that the scripture says that when he bought us, he bought us with a price, the blood of his son, and that this body is no longer ours, which includes our brain.

It's the Lord's and it's intended to be used to serve him and bring glory to him, even though it's fallen and it's not perfect yet. So that means the new man needs to be always thinking about what that old brain's thinking about and, and working with the Holy spirit to control your body so that you live for the Lord.

But we're not going to be perfect at that. Are we? We're just not. But isn't it comforting when we understand that we're not perfect at it, that he doesn't cast away whom he foreknew. So even in our imperfections, he never cast us away.

Satan will come to you in your mind and make you think he will. And that he has the moment after you sin, he'll make you feel that way until you remember these things. And then it's like the word of God casts away the enemy.

Right? So think how useful this knowledge is every day for us, certainly every week for us, but what say if the answer of God and to him have, I have reserved to myself 7 ,000 men. So there, he talks about that remnant, right?

Verse five. Even so then at this present time, also there is a remnant. Now notice how Paul used that example. When Jeremiah said, I'm, I'm the only saved person, all the other prophets are dead, they've killed them all.

And they're going to kill me. And he's kind of complaining in his prayer life, isn't he? And God says, look, there's 7 ,000 people of mine who have not been the need to bail that love me. And they're out there and you may not know it, but you're not the only one.

And Paul now uses that example for us. Even like that, he says at this present time, there's also a remnant according to the election of grace. Now notice that any remnant, which means saved people who have been saved out from a fallen race, they're always saved according to the election of grace.

I can't tell you how many times around the country when I've been, maybe the trade way meeting and people want to meet me and they come up at a, at a break and they shake my hand, but sometimes they'll want to question something.

I've said, cause every once in a while, I put a biblical rabbit trail in there with the stock market stuff. And I have some people say, I like the rabbit trails better than the stock market stuff, which is cool.

But sometimes they'll come up and say, you know, I've never heard what you said. I find that hard to believe that what you said, like you don't really believe in predestination. Do you? I've had people ask me that exact question.

And I'm thinking about verses like that, where it says the only people that ever get saved are saved according to the election of grace, election to the choosing, the predestination for knowledge, all that's what it's talking about.

And I just sort of shake my head because I know that that means that they grew up in a church where in the seminaries of their pastor taught them, we don't want to believe this stuff. So let's eliminate those verses from our vocabulary and let's don't talk about them.

I remember I grew up in a Southern Baptist denomination where when you had the little quarterlies to study Sunday school, you never had Romans nine, 10, 11 in there. You just skipped them because they don't want to talk about it.

Well, how can you say that there's part of God's word? I don't want to believe if you're saved. I'm not questioning their salvation, really, but I'm just asking the question, how can someone want to pick and choose and make the Bible say what they want it to believe and really, truly love the Lord very much?

Let's put it that way. Maybe they're saying they're just babies or something. What is it, Bill? I don't know what it is. I can't explain. It's not to me. I'm not the judge. Hallelujah. But I don't understand it because to me, like I am fine with the scripture telling me here's what I'm saying.

You need to change your life to fit this rather than me trying to say, no, this verse doesn't fit that one. I got to change this one. I don't like that kind of Bible study. And I fortunately, my seminary was Dr. Freeman.

He wouldn't let me go to seminary when I got called to preach because he said they're too liberal now. And this was this was like in the late in the early 80s. And so he gave me his library and his time and he discipled me and that was my seminary.

And so guess what? I'm not bent. No, no seminary can say, hey, David, you got to believe this way or we're going to cast you out because I don't care. I'm not part of it. And I hope you're not. And most of us did grow up in a denomination that had certain beliefs.

We need to be willing to throw any of them out that aren't biblical and keep the good stuff. It's like eating fish, spit out the bones and enjoy the fish. Right. I mean, it's like that. So even now there are some Jewish people saved, Paul says, by the election of grace, but that's the same way the Gentiles are being saved, too.

Now, Titus three, five backs this up, remember this one, this is beautiful verse, you know, this is when when we when we used to say we were a Baptist church, which we're just a biblionarian church now, or I don't know what we are.

We're Bible leaving church at this point. But we used to say this. This is a passage that Church of Christ people around the South don't like. They don't want this one. And then they got some verses that are their verses that we don't like.

But look at this one, not by works of righteousness, which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us by the washing of regeneration. That means the only way you get saved is when the Holy Spirit converts you, which is before you do anything.

So all the stuff that these denominations say you got to do to be saved, you don't do any of them till after you're saved. They don't cause they are not the cause. They are the. Return their cause and effect, they're the effect of starts, they return.

I'm trying to do stock market stuff, I guess. I don't know why. So there are the effect, not the cause. The regeneration is the cause. And the Bible says, while you're yet in your sins, hath he quickened us, brought us to life?

It's a done deal at that point on your spiritual birthday. He quickens us and we're saved. Then what do you do? He changes your want to at the same time he does it. He gives you Jesus's faith. And now you want to believe he gives you a change of mind.

That's repentance because he's already saved you. You did not have that two seconds before you would have just saved yourself. Right, all of these things, you want to get baptized, you want to start loving other brothers and sisters, you want to start studying the Bible, which previously was boring.

All these changes happen as effects of this by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Ghost. That's called the effectual calling. He comes to you on your spiritual birthday. Well, that fits exactly what Paul says in Romans 11, verse five, is that the remnant gets saved according to the election of grace.

What does grace mean? Undeserved favor. So if election is according to something you didn't do to deserve it, then you played no role in it. You received it as a gift, which is exactly what hundreds of scriptures say, a free gift.

It's redundant. Even grace means a free gift. So it means a free, free gift. But God can't seem to get that across to humans because we humans love to work for our salvation. Why? Because that's pride.

It's humanism. It's pride. It's what Cain did. Cain was the world's first vagabond, first street person was Cain. So anyway, that certainly supports it. And Galatians 310 says, for as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse.

So you try to save yourself by doing good or keeping rules. You're you're then become part of the curse for it is written, cursed is everyone that continueth not in all the things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So if you miss it in one point, you're lost. You're on the way to hell. And there's only one man that didn't miss it. And that's Jesus, like you talk about in Sunday school this morning. Only one. John 1, 13, which were born not listen to this, they weren't born again of the blood, that means because your daddy was a preacher or your grandpa was a preacher, so I must be OK.

No, you're not born because of your bloodline nor of the will of the flesh. You are not born again because you wanted to get saved. Now, that totally defies the modern gospel because the modern gospel as well.

Jesus died for you on the cross. If you just want him, just stick out your hand, shake my hand, and you're born again. That is not the gospel. The Bible says there's none good, not one, none that seeketh God.

Your flesh didn't want to be saved. You didn't because all you were was flesh before you got saved. Your spirit was a dead shell. You were deaf. You were blind. You were dead. You were walking dead men's bones.

Right. And your flesh and your will and your brain did not want Jesus Christ. And that's why you stayed lost. Right. So it's not by who your parents were. It's not because you wanted to get saved, nor is it by the will of a man of a man.

It's not because your grandma wanted you to get saved. My grandmother wanted me to get saved really badly. She tried to get me to go to church as a little boy all the way up through high school, all the way into college and just couldn't get me to do it because I was lost as a goose.

And my parents were not in church at the time, but they loved the Lord. They just, they'd been, you know, they'd been, uh, you know, discouraged by things that happened in the church. They were going to their first Baptist Mejia.

And so they quit. So I didn't grow up in church. Didn't want to go to church. And my grandmother just prayed for me. And I don't, I think when she was on her deathbed, she had a terrible heart attack.

She already had one when she was 40. So when she was about 60, I don't know, one, two, three or four or five, whatever she was right in her early sixties, she had another one and she lived three days and then went to heaven.

She was at Baylor hospital. I was lost as a goose, but I loved her so much. I spent so much time cause her house was right near my house growing up. I was in her house every day. And, um, I went down to the bookstore at the, uh, at the hospital to buy some, I wanted to buy something about flying saucers or something.

I used to love that stuff when I was a kid, all the way up to when I was a young adult, I'd read every book on things like that. And so I saw this book, it looked like either flying saucers or scientific something.

It was called the late great planet earth. Little did I know it was a book about the second coming. I mean, they got it wrong a little bit in the book, but I mean, I didn't know any of that stuff. Obviously never been to church much.

So I bought the book and read every page for three days while she was dying. She died and not too long afterwards. I got saved. She had prayed for me her whole life, right? So it's not because she wanted me to get saved that I got saved, but it says it's of God.

See the last phrase salvation is purely and only of God. Now, does he use human instruments? Absolutely. Because not only has he predetermined who will be saved, he has predetermined the means and the methods by which they may be saved.

And God, as I've said so many times around the country, God started the first family business. That's why I like the idea of creating family businesses where you teach your kids and grandkids, the skill sets and work together is the biblical way to have potential for wealth creation through the generations.

I believe that's so important because it's good Bible methodology. How do I know that? Because Jesus and God, the father were the first family business. Jesus said, I never say anything that I haven't heard the father say, and I never do anything I haven't seen the father do.

So it's a family business. And then Jesus, right before he left, he looked at us and he said, as the father sent me, even so send I you. So now he brings us into his family business. So everything we're doing is part of his business is not ours.

And all the money he puts in our possessions to use in his business is not ours, but we work together. So does he work together with us toward the salvation of his elect whom he chose? Of course he does.

Every time we do anything, we're a witness, whether good or bad. We can be a bad witness or a good one. We're always witnessing to the world with our life and with our words. And God uses that. Did he use the prayers of my grandmother?

Absolutely. It's it's in some ways a mystery how the sovereignty of God and the will of man, responsibility of the man fits together, but it fits together perfectly in God's mind. And he uses the witness of a grandmother and of a mother and of, of a dad and different preachers you hear.

And of Dr. Rocky Freeman, you know, and things like that in your life. And, but, but yet it's the Holy spirit that quickens us. Would you agree with that? When it comes down to it, it's the Holy spirit that while we are still in our sins, he quickens us.

He brings us to life. And then there are many effects that take place. And so many denominations get all against each other because they all pick different effects and say, they're the cause. Well, none of them are the cause.

It's sad, but it's how Satan works. So there it is. It's according to the election of grace throughout all scripture, old Testament and new those whom he foreknew. He also chose according to the election, which was an act of pure undeserved favor of any human that ever got saved from Adam and Eve all the way down to us.

Now, uh, Romans 11, verse six says if by grace, so Paul's already put forth the proposition, or you might say, um, the presupposition that anyone who gets saved to say by election, which means they're chosen by God before the foundation of the world.

And it's by grace, which means they didn't deserve it. It's just because God wanted to save them. Just like Israel was chosen, not because it was the greatest nation. God said, on the contrary, you were the weakest, you're the smallest, but I love you.

And it's just because I won't use why you're chosen. Same as us. And Paul says in verse six, now, if you buy into that, now I'm going to use some logic to take you further. Now here's the problem with modern books on theology is the guys that write these books are geniuses.

Many of them are brilliant minds and they can so easily, even in the preface, before you start reading the book and throw out there a little presupposition and get you to buy into it, that happens to be false.

And then they'll have perfect logic to the end and you'll buy into something that's totally wrong as if it's the truth. And if you've read many theology books, you'll know how easily done that is, you know?