An Unusual Monday Morning Dividing Line

Well, greetings, welcome to the dividing line. I suppose I should turn that thing back on again, huh? Whoever is supposed to set all this stuff up, you know, you get, you know... As you get older, the list of things you can remember in short-term memory just keeps getting smaller and smaller.

Secularism, Providence, and the Meaning of Current Events

It's really sad. What are we doing here? I don't know. I was just looking at Twitter and, you know, I've said this many times, if I thought this world was just bouncing down the road any old direction without any goal or end to it, which is what secularism requires you to believe, I would...

I was just reading a tweet about the drone technology and, look, I've come to a lot of conclusions and this one's sad for me to have to come to this conclusion, but it seems very, very obvious to me. The United States is responsible for Ukraine and I was there in 2014 when the U .S. toppled the Ukrainian government, put a new government in place and, look, I don't care where you stand.

We went this close to nuclear war and we're that close again. We went this close to nuclear war with Russia, the Soviet Union, when they tried to put ballistic missiles in Cuba. Ukraine is closer, shared border, and we're trying to put them in NATO.

It's so obviously meant to start war that it's hard to even understand. And so what's going on there? It's easy for me to go, this is a testing ground. We are sacrificing young Russian lives and young Ukrainian lives to test new technologies.

And the drone technology is what I was looking at. It had just come up on the screen. I wasn't looking for anything, it just popped up and I was reading through it. And the use of AI controlling drones by satellite, man, there's no defense for it.

There's just no defense for it. So if I did not believe that there is a reason, if I... I'm not sure how provisionists handle stuff like this because they absolutely detest God's sovereign decree, but they don't want to say that God isn't somewhat in control and there's sort of a purpose at the end of all these things, just not in the individual things.

I don't know how any of all that works, but I'm starting to understand a little bit more why drugs are the way they are in our land. And when the wife texts you, live on the air. And by the way, because I will forget this, but tomorrow is my wife and I's 42nd anniversary.

And I was thinking about that. And I was thinking about, you know, 40 was sort of big, 45, we'll have to do something. You know, we're just going to go to dinner. Nothing really special. She's taking care of her mom.

And so, you know, that's her job right now. And I was thinking about, you know, 40 was sort of big, 45, we'll have to do something. And then all of a sudden it hit me. All of a sudden it hit me. We are only eight years from the big 5 -0.

And then it hit me. It just does not seem that long ago that I helped my parents, who are now both gone, celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary. And we did something and I went into debt to do it, but I had to.

I got a limo. It was first time I had ever been in a limo. It was first time my mom had ever been in a limo. And we took the whole family, including my kids, to, I don't know, it's probably not the fanciest restaurant in Phoenix anymore.

The one that goes around the top of the Hyatt region? Compass. Compass Room. Yeah. I think every major city has a restaurant somewhere downtown that goes around in circles. It's just, I think that's sort of a necessary thing to be a big city.

And I've got pictures of that night and just how excited they were and stuff like that. So I'm just letting my kids know you've got eight years. Okay. So I sort of set the bar and you were there. You, both of you were there.

So you all need to get together. You got eight years. Start the savings plan. And find a good restaurant and a good place to, by then they'll all be EV limos and they'll be about this big and like size of Volkswagen bug or something like that.

You'll have to get government approval and all that stuff. But yeah, eight years, only eight years from 50 years of marriage. And I remember Summer coming home and she was working at Starbucks years and years ago.

I think it was when we had just had our 30th anniversary. And she told her friends at Starbucks that her parents, her actual physical parents had been married for 30 years and nobody believed her. They wouldn't believe her.

No, no, no, no one's married that long. No. They literally did not believe her that her parents had been married for 30 years. Of course, when she went to Cortez High School as a sophomore, started there, in her PE class, she came home after she had to take PE because she hadn't taken it at a Christian school a year earlier.

She was sort of shocked. She said, I am the only girl in my PE class living with my natural parents. Only one. Nobody else was. And man, that says a lot. But anyways, kids, eight years. You got, you had eight years, the big old five O's heading our direction.

And I'm hoping for big things. Hoping for big things from y 'all. I can see the look on both of their faces right now going, well, you know, dad, you've taught us that disappointment is a part of life.

That's, that's, that's what I'll get. Disappointment's a part of life, dad. You told us that. Anyways, back to what's going on in the world and, you know, frightening stuff. I guess, I guess Ukraine launched missiles into Russian territory, American missiles, multi-warhead missiles into Russian territory.

And, you know, Russia's like, and I, Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy. But like I said, if I didn't think there was a purpose to all this stuff, I would. Tim Bushong on Twitter, do you see that? Now that's a shirt.

Yes, it is a shirt. See, there's Dini. It's my little Dini boy. Right there. That's my little kitty Dini. And I have three of these shirts. One has Sophie, one has Fox, and one has Dini. And I wasn't expecting to do the show today.

It's like, they're really nice and cool in the sense of being cool. And right now in Phoenix, it is not cool. It is that time of year. It's, you know, it was 115 a couple of days ago. And so you wear cool stuff and we're in shorts and yeah, that's what you do in Arizona for, you know, about six months out of the year is what you do.

Immigration, Social Justice, and National Suicide

So anyhow, I also ran into an article and I looked it up from yesterday and I'll just summarize it. Back in 2020, there was a young woman who was attacked and raped by a gang of immigrants in Germany.

And we are seeing this all the time in the United States, murders of young girls. Part of the reason for this, remember one of the things that we got in so much trouble for when we wrote what's become the Dallas Statement on social justice was we said that there are some societies that are better than others.

And obviously a society that is based upon God's law, seeks to honor God and therefore honor man as being made in the image of God and things like that are better than societies that don't. Well, we were just, oh, how dare you target colonialism and blah, blah, blah, blah, and all the rest of the stupid stuff.

And so we have thrown open the borders in Europe, thrown open the borders in the United States, just come on in. There's no control. Send us your criminals, the worst of the worst, and we'll let them prey on our young people and murder our young women and rape them and things like that because that's, we want to die.

We're committing national suicide because we've been taken over by our enemies. And anybody, anybody, by the way, anyone in the United States in the year 1972 would have identified the leaders of this nation in light of what they're doing, in light of the Tyler Cherry, the new White House Associate Communications Director.

If you had shown a picture of these sexual perverts, what they're doing with abortion, what they're doing with homosexuality, what they're doing in opening the borders and encouraging a massive invasion, the fact that they will, that if you're on one side of the political spectrum, the law comes after you, other side, you can do whatever you want.

Every single person in this nation in 1972 would have condemned these people as traitors. Every single one. Absolutely true. And everybody knows it. Everybody who's alive in 1972 knows it. And that's the situation we're facing.

So in Germany, this young lady was raped by, I think, nine different people. It got so bad at one point that they were recording it on WhatsApp and inviting their friends to come to get in on it. Eventually, they recovered DNA evidence, semen, of eight of the nine in the woman.

One did jail time. The rest were paroled on their own recognizance, basically, just got away with it, even though they had DNA and the WhatsApp evidence. And then what happened was a number of people in Germany got their WhatsApp address and started sending them horrible messages about how they are horrible people.

You know what Germany's doing? They're tracking every single one of them down, and they're getting greater prison sentences than the rapists for offending the rapists. You just sit here and you go, this is what happens when you have a legal system.

You're no longer a culture of law. You're a culture of men. And the law just simply is whatever is in fashion right now. And so what's in fashion right now is leftist, narrative-driven, uh, woke insanity all across Europe and the United States.

And that's what you get. That's what you get. It is fundamentally disgusting. Um, I mentioned, you know, just in passing, Tyler Cherry, who is now receiving government money, um, just as the White House press secretary and, uh, that other idiot that kept stealing, um, women's, uh, suitcases.

And, and yeah, uh, just again, the, the government, the regime in Washington seems to have weekly meetings going, all right, we haven't been destroyed by fire and brimstone yet. That means we're failing.

Um, how can we be better than Sodom and Gomorrah? How can we, how can we eventually just force God's hand to nuke us with fire and brimstone? That seems to be a weekly meeting, uh, in the White House.

And, uh, Biden's not there because Biden is, uh, if he's still alive, I'm not, yeah, I'm not even sure he's still alive. I'm, I'm wondering how many Biden clones there are running around the White House right now and which one they're, they're getting drugged up for the debate.

Um, but the people who have been running everything for over three years now, um, these are some of the most evil, they're traitors, every single one of them, they're some of those morally evil people I can, I can even imagine.

They truly, truly are. And so now we have this, uh, Tyler Cherry, and he had to post on Twitter, first, he posts on Twitter, past social media posts, when I was younger, do not reflect my current views, period.

I support this administration's agenda and will continue my communications work focused on our climate and environmental policies. And then he purges his timeline. But of course, the internet doesn't forget.

Uh, so, here's some of the things he's written. Police equals slave patrols. Voter ID equals poll taxes. Um, neither slavery nor Jim Crow were that long ago, we just evolved. Uh, about time to recall that the modern day police system is a direct evolution of slave patrols and lynch mobs.

Um, yeah. Abolish ICE. Uh, you, you name it and he said it. Okay. It is, it is just, there's just quote after quote after quote. He, he didn't get them deleted in time. And it's insane. The man's insane.

He is a sexual pervert on the far end of the sexual scale, which we're starting to discover there is no end on that type of stuff. And this is being done purposely by the regime. This is their way of saying to you and I, we hate you.

Um, we're coming for you. We don't want you to have anything to do with running this country. We're going to run this country into the ground and there's absolutely positively nothing you can do about it.

And here's another example. Look at this guy and you're going to have to pay them and you're going to have to listen to them and all the rest of that kind of stuff. That's, that's where we are. That's where we are.

Corruption in Medicine and the Covid Jab

I don't know if you've noticed, but there are a tremendous number, uh, of studies that have come out over the past year, um, published studies in Lancet and in other medical journals, peer reviewed doesn't necessarily mean anything anymore, but you would like to think in the medical field that would have some impact, but it doesn't money has completely corrupted the, the, the pharmaceutical companies own everybody.

So the pharmaceutical companies can get anything through as long as they want to pay enough to do it because they own everybody. They know where all the skeletons are buried. They own everybody. All of the governmental agencies that are supposed to be watching the pharmaceutical pharmaceutical companies are staffed by former employees of the pharmaceutical companies and vice versa.

People leave those government agencies and end up in high positions in the pharmaceutical company. The incest is just unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. The corruption beyond commentary, absolutely beyond commentary.

Um, and so numerous, numerous, numerous, numerous, numerous studies demonstrating that what a number of us were saying, starting in probably for me, September of 2020, when I first read my first article about what these new vaccines are going to be, because, you know, everybody's talking about vaccine, vaccine.

Okay, great. You know, uh, it's, it's the virus, you know, it's a deadened form of the virus. You know, the standard old style vaccine technology. No, no, this is MRNA. And I'm like, MRNA. Now I am not a scientist, uh, but I was department fellow anatomy and physiology at Grand Canyon college in a day and did real well in my classes there.

And, um, I did a lot of study of genetics and DNA, MRNA, all those types of things. And yeah, that was many years ago. So we've learned a whole lot more since then, but I, I know the language and I know the vocabulary and have read a fair amount of stuff since then too.

And I'm like, what, what's going on? And so I start reading up on this stuff and I'm like, Whoa, wait a minute, what is going on here? This is dangerous. They have not been able to get these things approved because they're dangerous.

And so as we get closer and closer to the rollout, I'm like, uh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not, not even thinking about this. Give me at least, at least five years of safety data. And by the way, we're not at five years yet.

Okay. We're not even close to it yet. You give me at least five years of safety data and I'll give it a thought. Um, but they're like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. This is what we got to do is what we got to do.

And you start looking at the people who are in charge. You understand what was going on here. Um, once again, the, the people with the power want to accomplish certain things and they're pushing it. And so I'm very thankful.

I, I actually saw someone who, uh, tweeted me this morning and said, it was because of you, I didn't get the jab. Thank you. And I'm like, I had posted a, um, interview that secular media did with a member of the army national guard, um, who has had a stroke and three heart attacks and their own, the army's own medical documentation says this is the result of the vaccine.

She had, she had had no problems before that. And now all this stuff and everybody knows if you, if you are, if you're literally sitting there going, it's just anecdotal evidence that this has anything to do with any heart issues at all.

You're an idiot. You're just, how many shots did you get? Because there are now studies demonstrating that the MRNA shots diminish cognition, that the, the functioning of the brain. Well, there may be a connection here.

Maybe it's just astonishing to me that the people have not gotten to the point yet. There are some people so invested in what they did, the choices they made at that time that it's like, Nope, Nope, Nope.

That stuff is just absolutely perfectly good. And it, we should be using it for everything. And blah, blah, blah. It's just like, wow. The number of studies of all the adverse reactions that have taken place and the fact that the things just didn't work, it just didn't work.

They didn't give you the protection they promised to give you. Should be enough that, you know, I said this morning, I said that my inbox still isn't filled with all the apologies for, you know, 2020, there were people, we had supporters who stopped supporting us and, you know, just all sorts of nastiness heading our direction.

I am, I did have one guy who said, I didn't know about you then, but I would have been mad at you. I would have been, but by the time I found you, I'd come to understand what was going on myself anyway.

So there you go. But that's neither here nor there right now. By the way, real quick, I did retweet this morning. Apology Studios put out a video that stole my book title called The Fatal Flaw. Lies, laws, and pro-life deception.

And they're pushing it today and the reason is this is the anniversary of the, two-year anniversary of the overturning of Roe v. Wade. And it's just a reminder, the pro-life industry will tell you, you know, this is a huge landmark and all the rest of this stuff.

Abortion is legal in all 50 states, okay? And there are more abortions taking place now than there were two years ago. And there's reasons for all of that. And Apology Studios put out a video and look it up.

You'll find it to be useful. Just a reminder also, I am going to get to a video because we weren't going to do the program. And so I was just starting to put stuff together and I started going, oh yeah, I was going to talk about, oh yeah, there was that.

HHS Rule, Foster Care, and the Biden Regime

Eventually ended up with a list probably longer than I'll be able to get to. But Megan Basham noted that a little over a month ago, quietly, the Biden regime, she calls it the Biden administration. I just, Rich will tell you, I've been consistent about this.

From 2021, I have said we should not call it the Biden administration. We should call it the Biden regime because an administration is administering a previously established legal system and they're not administering anything.

They are destroying everything. So I've called the Biden regime from the start. They quietly enacted an HHS rule because remember our system does, we stopped being a constitutional republic quite a while ago.

Let's just be honest. When was the last time you saw bipartisan, for the best of the country, action by the House and the Senate together? Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen. Anything that happens now is all executive orders, administrative state, stuff that the founders not only could never have imagined, but feared that very type of thing happening.

And here it is. So that's where we are. I don't even know why we bothered to elect these people because they accomplish nothing and they can do nothing. So you have an HHS rule that designates Christians unfit to be foster parents.

Why? Because it requires supporting any foster child in their gender identity and same sex attraction. And so you're surprised by Tyler Cherry? Shouldn't be. We have literally been taken over by the city council of Sodom and Gomorrah.

We've been taken over by the city council of Sodom and Gomorrah. That's where we are. Yeah, I think they would have blushed at some of the stuff that we do. Yeah, it's true. It's true. Amazing. Amazing.

I did, I've got a little, I like getting these things. I really do. And I appreciate people who take the time to send them to me. At Cave to the Cross, it's Cave to the Cross podcast. Don't know anything about them, but back on June 7th, whoever has the account here, wrote, working solo nights for a long time, randomly stumble upon James White and interesting teachings on textual criticism.

Who knows how those algorithms work? God's in charge of them, thankfully. Um, then I listened to his Hebrew study. Wow. There's a jump. I've not seen that connection before. You first, you're looking for textual critical stuff, run into my stuff.

Okay. That'll happen. And then you find the Hebrew study on Sermon Audio. Actually, now that I think about it, I think someone put the Hebrew study on YouTube. I think it is somewhere. Then I find out about this thing called Reformed Calvinism and that they do evangelism and do it well.

Mind changed. And when I, I am thankful, honestly, that I haven't tried to be, you know, the old Bible answer man type thing where you, you cover everything. But I also, we weren't, you know, we started off with just one subject and, you know, I sort of resisted anything else, but it, it just, I was forced to go from, you know, you got Mormonism going on and then lots of people asking questions about Jehovah's witnesses.

And so we dive into that and then that connects you to all sorts of issues. And Benedict comes along and says, yeah, but the Roman Catholics are doing this. And, and, you know, and so over time there is a widening of, of the field.

And because there's been a widening of the field, because we deal with a lot of different subjects, we don't just deal with Mormonism. We don't just deal with Calvinism. We don't just deal, we, we deal with textual criticism and church history and systematic theology and, and all sorts of things along the way.

We end up intersecting with people's areas of interest in some really interesting ways. And so, you know, I'll stand there at G3 and I'm, I've been invited to speak at the G3 national conference in 2025, all assuming there's going to be a 2025.

So if, if there is a G3 national conference and you can still travel in 2025, I'm going to be there looking forward to it. And I've actually already made my request as to text and topic, whether that will happen or not yet, I don't know.

Anyway, you stand there and you, you talk to the, for hours and hours and hours, I'll stand at our booth and there'll be lines and we'll talk to people. And it's fascinating to see how this connected to that, connected to that, connected to that.

And you're, you're just like, wow, that is really amazing. I never would have thought. And it certainly wasn't our intention when we first addressed this subject to be impacting somebody over here on this subject.

It, the providence of God, I think someday God's going to allow us to see all the glories of his creation through hundreds of billions of galaxies and, and millions of trillions of planets and all the rest of that fun stuff.

But we're also going to get to see what he did in time here and how just the, the, the, the, the woven fabric of time will be beautiful. It's not going to be some kind of a jumbled mess, which synergists and provisionists and people like that would like us to believe it's going to be a, a beautiful woven tapestry of his purposes being accomplished.

I'm looking forward, looking forward to seeing that. Speaking of which, real quick there, you go to a Bart Ehrman thing here, but I saved a graphic and I don't know where this graphic came from. There are some graphics, you know, the, the chick and the cat, you know, I mean, how many thousands of variants of the chick and the cat meme have you seen?

I mean, I have really lost track. Some of them are really good. Most of them are mediocre. Some are really bad, but there's this guy, there's this one meme where you've got the guy going like this, and then the next down below is going, and then you'll put two things.

So they've stuck my, it's really badly done, really cheapy, but what do you expect? This is the Texas Receptus guy, Nick Sayers, I think is his name. So the top one with the meme is expose some weird KJVO numerology, and as usual, make out all KJV slash TR people are prone to this.

And so this was after we did the thing, I played some of the video of the guy that was using that one app, you know, where you can, what number this particular use of Lord is, how many out of all the uses of Lord in this particular verse, and this verse is what verse amongst all the verses in this book.

And this is how you do all sorts of numerology, wacko craziness type stuff. So I had pointed out the silliness of all this stuff. So this came out, I think the next day or the day after or something like that.

So you've got exposed some weird KJVO numerology, and then down below that it says, but then offer in its place some weird contradictory textual science slash CBGM slash art slash voodoo stuff. So, so here I should, I'm sorry, I, you've got the thing connected over there.

I just need to put this down and do that. Yeah. So there it is. There's, there it is. So you see that meme, you see that thing all the time. And like I said, they stuck my face on it and it's pretty bad, but so, but then offer in its place, some weird contradictory textual science, CBGM slash art slash voodoo stuff.

So I'm like, okay. Voodoo stuff. That's coming from somebody I'm pretty certain hasn't actually done any reading on what CBGM is because fundamentally what CBGM is, is based upon the largest, most exhaustive collation of the largest number of manuscripts that have been done.

And it's allowing the computer to be able to compare massive data sets that the human mind can't do. That's not voodoo and that's not art. It's history. Now, those of you who go back and listen to my first introductions to CBGM, one of my questions then, and that I still have now, is exactly how CBGM maintains the text in its historical context.

Because it doesn't, it doesn't look at witnesses as manuscripts. It looks at the text, not the dating, not the manuscript, things like that. So it sort of de-historicizes it. And that's, you know, that was one of the very first questions I had.

And Peter Gurry talks about it in his dissertation. And those are still questions. And until we have all of it done, which hopefully we will in a few years, uh, I'm not sure we can necessarily really start digging into the answers to all those questions, but voodoo?

Um, yeah. Um, no, uh, I'll tell you what voodoo is. It's looking at Revelation 16 .5 and turning it into your, it's just the most important thing on the planet. No, it's a textual emanation. Um, okay.

Bart Ehrman on the Atonement and the Need for a Coherent Theology

I don't remember when I first saw this. It's a Bart Ehrman video and it's, uh, less than a minute long. Maybe that's what attracted me to it. Uh, we have spent hours and hours and hours, not, it's been 15 years now since, uh, my debate with Bart Ehrman in, uh, Tampa, Florida.

And, uh, you know, there, there have been a number of times, I think once we did look into, uh, trying to arrange a debate, it was $25 ,000, uh, price tag on it. Uh, just, you know, just straight up front.

And, uh, we have one of the things we wanted to debate him on was his claim that if you say that Jesus is Yahweh, that makes you a Sabalianist, a modalist, uh, which only demonstrates he doesn't have a clue what the doctrine of Trinity actually is.

And so I've said a number of times when it comes to Bart Ehrman, if he's talking history, text criticism and stuff like that, he's normally going to be accurate with his facts, not necessarily conclusion, but with his facts.

When it comes to theology, he is a novice, at best a novice. And I remember talking to Phil Johnson about him and he had said, yeah, he pretty much slept through theology class at Buddha Bible Institute.

Um, and so he, he, the theological statements that he makes are often just embarrassingly simplistic and erroneous. He's just not good at theology at all. He's not trained in it. And yet, because he has a PhD in textual criticism and the rise of the early, uh, proto-Alexandrian text type, which isn't even really relevant anymore after CBGM, uh, in a certain early church father, uh, yes, I've read his dissertation, um, does not give him expertise in these areas at all.

And so it's, um, it's fascinating. In fact, I'm just waiting. They're taking their sweet time. He did a, uh, I wasn't gonna watch it live. I just wanted to be able to catch it later. He did a thing with a, um, Western Muslim scholar, comparing the Bible and the Quran.

Fascinating subject for me. And so I paid to be, I could have watched it live and didn't. And they're just taking their sweet time about finally getting the videos actually available because that was the whole reason I bought it is, and you'd have access to that later on.

I could listen to the whole thing anyway. So I see this video and I'm like, wow, uh, that's worth taking the time to look at. So let's, let's listen to, uh, Dr. Bart Ehrman. And, uh, like I said, I'll just play the whole thing all the way through and then we can go back through if we need to.

It's all a 52 seconds long. So, um, here we go.

This is a really big theological problem. Why does God require his son to die? That's what the Christian tradition says. And it doesn't seem to be what Jesus taught. Jesus taught that God didn't require a payment.

You get forgiveness. And when you think about it theologically, it's a very troubling idea that God requires a payment. You know, kind of the common answer for that is because God, God had to have justice.

He had to have a sacrifice. Well, who made that the necessity? In other words, is there some power greater than God that is requiring him to do something in order to forgive sins? Theologically, it creates such a huge problem that, that theologians outside of evangelical Christians find the doctrine of atonement the most difficult thing to figure out.

And some of them just throw up their hands and say, look, it just doesn't make any.

Sense to me. Okay. So, um, one of the things that caught my attention about this is my work with Muslims, with Islam. Because of Surah 417, the denial of the crucifixion, the denial of atonement, there is no mediator in Islamic theology.

And unlike Bart Ehrman, I have stood in mosques around the world, mainly in South Africa, also in London and in Australia, and have debated Muslims on these very issues. And in fact, as I think about that first debate that was literally in the mosque, I stood where the Imam had just led the prayers right in front of the Qibla October of 2013.

So 11 years ago, uh, the topic was how we have peace with God. I was debating Shabir Ali. And so this was exactly what we were talking about. Why, why did there need to be an atonement? And the, the first question that Yasir Qadhi asked me in his mosque, when we did the two night dialogue, um, was why did a part of God have to die?

So in, in reaching the Muslim world, this is central. But if what Bart Ehrman is saying is true, then it may even be irrelevant to reaching the Muslim world at all. Not that he would believe we have a message that's coherent and factually true to present anyway.

Um, but unfortunately it is, um, a topic that a lot of evangelical Christians have not put a lot of thought into. We've, I think for a lot of Christians, they've picked up their theology of atonement from music more than they have from sermon, more than they have from sermon series, more than they have from reading, uh, excellent works, uh, that delve into the topic and talk about different perspectives and allow you to have a balanced understanding of, you know, if you believe in penal substitutionary atonement, that doesn't mean that you reject Christus Victor or these other ways of understanding things because they're not meant to be mutually exclusive.

And then you've got people like Steve Chalk and people over in the UK, you know, this would be, this would be cosmic child abuse and this kind of utter foolishness. But it's amazing that Ehrman would have such a simplistic, uh, presentation because we're, we're talking about over a few thousand years, establishing his people, giving them a law, giving them temple tabernacle ceremonies at first become temple ceremonies, sacrifices that are all looking forward to something else.

They're prefiguring something else. Something is coming in the future. Now Bart Ehrman can't see that because Bart Ehrman doesn't believe that the Bible is in any way, shape or form consistent. Um, there is no book in the Bible.

I think that he would say is consistent with itself. He would allow for contradiction and error and redaction and everything else in every book of the Bible, especially the old Testament, but the new Testament as well.

And so even talking about the idea of a prophetic preparation, the law, looking forward to Christ, picturing Christ shadows, types, and fulfillments, all that's out. It doesn't matter if that's what the new Testament writers told us.

Um, that's, that's irrelevant. Half of what you got in the new Testament's fraud and fake and all the rest of this stuff. So there's a reason why theologically, you know, he's utterly crippled. He doesn't have a source of theology.

That's, that's how it works. But when you get to this subject, it's not like the new Testament isn't clear. It's not that there is a force outside of God and it's not a matter of quote unquote, a payment.

The amazing teaching in the new Testament is that God has provided a means to bring mankind back into relationship with himself that demonstrates God's justice and all of his attributes. So his wrath, his justice, his holiness, his love, his mercy, and his grace, all demonstrated in the drama of salvation, primarily in and through the person of Jesus Christ.

So it's not that there's a force outside of God demanding this. And Jesus does not say, oh, you can just get forgiveness. Uh, there's, there's no payment needs to make. Jesus says it is necessary that the son of man go to Jerusalem and be betrayed and beaten and killed and buried and rise again the third day.

And it's necessary, you know, and again, you and I sit here and go, has he read Luke 24? You know, from Moses onward, they're all talking about me and yeah, but he doesn't, he doesn't have to factor any of that in.

He can pick and whatever he wants, create his own version of the theology in the new Testament and just leave everything else out. That's, that's the glory. That's the, that's the cheap way of unbelieving critical scholarship.

You don't have to worry about it. You can come up with whatever you want and then just use your authority to say, this is, you know, uh, look at the new Testament. This is what Jesus taught. Well, no, it's not what Jesus taught.

What about this over here? Well, we don't think that's original. It doesn't fit the, doesn't fit the mold. You know, when you listen to him talking about, you know, uh, the, the new Testament's, uh, presentation, you know, the reason we know that Paul didn't write for second Timothy Titus is, is the, the view of the church that it presupposes didn't develop until much later in history.