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seventh day of October 2016 and I am delighted to

have on the program Someone who is going to be addressing an issue that's near and dear to

my heart perhaps some of you may recall when I interviewed

Colonel Jeffrey Williams a Christian astronaut right before his last launch

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He Was a remarkable guest and we had Students from Christian

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Whole issue of space travel and astronomy has a special place in my heart because my father Harry

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Entire adult life in the aviation and aerospace industry.

So this is a very special theme for me today.

We're going to be talking about the created cosmos What the Bible reveals about astronomy

and our guest to do that is a guest that I have never interviewed before.

He's on for the very first time today on iron sharpens iron.

Dr Danny are Faulkner who is a former faculty member at the University of South Carolina

Lancaster for over 26 years and he is a member of the Creation Research

Society editor of the Creation Research Society quarterly an Author of more than a

hundred papers in various astronomy and astrophysics journals he's also the author

of universe by design and the new astronomy book and The very book that I

mentioned earlier the created cosmos what the Bible reveals about astronomy and

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to iron sharpens iron.

Dr. Danny Faulkner.

Well, dr. Faulkner before we even go into the book at hand.

I'd like to know a little bit about your background the religious background of your upbringing

if any how you came to believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and What

led you into the field of astronomy?

Just a curiosity if you don't mind.

Telling us what year you graduated from Bob Jones University because I have a number of friends that

are graduates of Bob Jones.

Okay, well I think that you actually went at the same time that a former co

-host of mine and friend Buzz Taylor, I think he graduated somewhere around there I don't know if you know that

name, but oh Buzz Buz Taylor just like Buzz Aldrin.

Oh Yes, he was a graduate of Bob Jones

University.

Yes, you're

kidding me.

That is some Providence and I can swear to you ladies and gentlemen that that was not pre -planned or

anything.

And it's interesting that I even had the inclination to ask you about what year you graduated.

Yeah, he still is.

He performs at churches and all kinds of functions.

Primarily in Pennsylvania, but other places he lives in Carlisle, Pennsylvania about

five minutes from where I'm sitting right now and.

I.

Don't know if he's listening live.

He may be on the road right now, but buzz had to go back to his full -time career.

He was hooked.

He was co -hosting my program while on medical leave.

Okay, and he was I don't know if you were even aware for a number of years.

He was pastoring.

He was pastoring beginning in the Fundamentalist Baptist circles and then he

went into.

He became a charismatic for a period and was pastoring in charismatic churches.

Then he became a pastor in the Findlay, Ohio Church of God denomination and

Finally became a Presbyterian and as a member of a local conservative Bible -believing

Presbyterian Church here in town.

That is

certainly some coincidence.

Amazing.

Well, I'm gonna announce our email address.

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Well, some people would be surprised to hear that the

Bible has anything to say about astronomy other than perhaps

Everybody knows even most people who are not believers in Christ or even

remotely Christian in any way they've heard about the star of Bethlehem and so on and The Magi

following the star but that may be the extent of what people would readily think the

Bible Says about astronomy.

So what what does script scripture plainly teach about astronomy?

Not

my

name

dreams,

for

instance,

and

again,

they're

talking

direction

in

Hezekiah.

We have

a listener

in.

Kannapolis, North Carolina.

Casey.

Who says can you please ask dr. Faulkner to explain?

Starlight in a young universe and what he thinks about Hugh Ross's views.

Creation and intelligent design.

In general

ago I get

that

from

me, um so again I

think ugly and

argumentative

and light

years

about

since

one

is

that

they're

only two

days after.

Before

account would

not be

fulfilled

today I seem

to think that everything that

some things wrecks

in the helo.

But

some

things were

similar

to

how

man

that

again

and

again

believe

what

I

will

what

happened on

might

have

happened.

We

sometimes

it's creation

scientists.

I

think

I'm

not

suggesting

that God

just

well.

Thank You Casey in Kannapolis, North Carolina, and I assume I am pronouncing that correctly, although I'm not

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Seth Seth asks, how are you and other Christian scientists?

And of course, he doesn't mean the cult.

Such.

As dr. Jason Lyle welcomed among the so -called intellectual elite of Non

-believing scientists is your work received well or scrutinized?

Well, I guess every scientist's work should be scrutinized at some level or another.

But if you could respond to Seth and Randleman, North Carolina.

Okay,

I

know.

How

did

that

work

out?

Many people

have

say yes

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more

different.

Last

room.

I've not really had my change someday.

Well, praise God

for that and.

Guess what.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours is Dr. Danny R Faulkner

and he is the author of a number of books including the one we're discussing today the created cosmos

What the Bible reveals about astronomy.

If you'd like to join us on the air.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

We do have a listener in Grand Forks, North Dakota.

Jordan who says or who asks.

Have you ever debated an old earth creationist or evolutionist and

How would you outline your opening statement if you were to debate one of those.

Well, he

actually included both an old earth creationist or an evolutionist, okay.

Well, thank you

Jordan.

And

guess what.

You're also getting a free copy of the created cosmos by our guest

dr.

Danny R Faulkner and co -authored by Lee Anderson jr.

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Tell us something about your co -author Lee Anderson jr.

Oh.

I

will

tell

us

something

more

about the

astronomical

anomalies

in the

Bible.

What

scripture

says

about

a.

Unusual astronomical events.

Okay, we have four chapters.

The first chapter of that section is on the

Title

and the

Gospels

and

we

can

actually

then

that

real saying it

a

whole chapter dead.

The.

What we mentioned before of due to one of our listeners questions.

We brought up both Old Earth creationists and evolutionists.

What percentage according to your personal experience and interaction with other scientists?

What a percentage of old earth creationists Bible believing old earth

creationist Christians?

Would also believe in theistic evolution in regard to man.

Creatures

ideas and astronomy cosmology geology.

But my point is is

that among astronomers the friends of mine who and

but as far

as people

that you

know.

Personally that you've encountered.

What would you think?

I.

Would

We

have.

Susan in Newville, Pennsylvania who asks judging from

something you said about Eschatology involving the stars.

I was wondering what your interpretation of Revelation 6 13 is.

Which reads.

And the stars of the sky fell to the earth as a fig tree casts?

Its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind.

Okay,

and.

Susan's follow -up question was How do you interpret Joel to?

3131 the Sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and the terrible day of the

Lord come.

Yeah, that's a one

people

like there are

world many of them

could y 'all heard

the same thing in

their own language.

And

that

was

remarkable.

And

it

talks

there about

the year

of 2014 failing that 2015.

Well, here we are a year later 2016.

It hasn't happened.

Um,

but

you

know,

there's

also a

and

you

know,

it's

exceptional.

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Boy you really evoked a lot of listener response here.

We have Lou in Sharpsburg, Georgia.

Who says how did gravity evolve according to evolutionary theory?

When

I don't

have

other

universes

and

this

one

gravity

is a

necessity

for life.

So sure, I think many.

Well,

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If you just tuned us in today our guest today for the full two hours with one hour to go is

Dr. Danny R Faulkner former faculty member at the University of South Carolina

Lancaster for over 26 years member of the Creation Research Society editor of

the Creation Research Society quarterly author of more than a hundred papers in various astronomy and

astrophysics journals and author of universe by design.

The new astronomy book and the book we are discussing today the created cosmos what the

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We have Aaron in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Who says what are a couple of specific ways that your research has affected or confirmed?

Your

theology

and

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Oh

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The one of the things I'm wondering about is I.

I.

Continually have heard over the years ever since being a Christian That there is no science

that disproves the biblical accounts of creation or the

age of the earth.

But are there?

Is there scientific evidence that leaves you? Puzzled that you cannot

completely mesh with what you read in Scripture.

I mean, obviously even.

There are.

There are theological issues.

That.

Delve into the realm of mystery on occasion where see things seem to have on

their surface contradictions been Later investigation or deeper more

thorough exegesis.

They're not really contradictory at all.

They're just giving different points of view of the same event by different eyewitnesses or what have you.

But when it comes to science, is there anything that is scientifically proven that

does not Mesh perfectly with what you believe is a Bible -believing Christian what the

scriptures teach?

Right, but that's not

scientific evidence.

Driving.

We have

a.

Listener in Hilltop Lakes, Texas.

Linda.

It says I'm really enjoying dr. Faulkner.

What do you think of the framework hypothesis and dr. Kenneth Gentry's book

refuting it?

What

is your

thought.

What are

your

thoughts on

the

gap

theory.

Idea

several

reasons

wrong

with it.

There's a

man

look at the six

days

of creation.

You see

God initially

created.

So are you

saying

that the

gap

theory

was something that was really inherent in?

The original dispensationalists of the 19th century.

I'm not quite sure about that.

You know Schofield did not.

Wow, I had not ever heard that before.

That's interesting because it's it's ironic that I know and believe me I have Very dear

friends who are dispensationalists.

I'm not a dispensationalist, but that is not an issue.

I divide over in fact.

One of my beloved friends who sponsors this program is a dispensationalist pastor

agrees with me on my Calvinism, but disagrees with me on other issues, but I

have to know that some Dispensationalists I have met and spoken with actually will blame post

-millennialism on Evolution.

They will Say that the evolution is theory that started to Become

popular through Darwin was what gave birth to post -millennialism, but I think that they

misunderstand that eschatological view.

Because post -millennialists don't necessarily believe that things just in a straight line of progression get

better and better and better.

But but anyway, that's kind of a side.

Yeah.

Well, can you tell us about John Lennox?

I have enjoyed watching him speak and I think he's quite a brilliant man.

Although I can't say that I agree with Everything he teaches or says

or nor do I know everything he teaches or says.

But what's your opinion of John Lennox?

It

into

biology

relation.

I don't

doubt.

Wow I'm guessing

that's

the

foundational

doctor.

Well, you

could

also

say.

If there was no Adam and Eve, where did Christ come from?

Because Adam is in his genealogy.

Yeah, and also Jesus is called the last Adam.

And about people if the first Adam did not exist.

Yeah, absolutely.

Now.

To speak outside of the scientific realm and more in the realm of your Christian

faith.

How far off?

From a young earth creationist.

Paradigm does somebody have to drift before you would say?

This person although I respect them.

I love them.

They're my friend, but I have to say that they would be Highly questionable in regard to

their Christian faith and I might even use the label heretic Against them, but how how

serious a departure wouldn't that have to be?

And I have become acquainted with people both

Protestant and Catholic who have adopted geocentricism

and If you could define that for our audience and give Your reaction

to that.

Well, we have a chapter in the book on that and we have the final section.

Oh,

this

idea has

been around

a while the

about 400

years

ago,

but

then

in

the

last.

I've seen the websites and I wondered is this a practical joke?

Now one of the individuals that I was mentioning Who is an

advocate of geocentrism?

I?

Think I added an extra syllable in there before when I tried to pronounce it.

But.

Geocentrism.

Is dr. Robertson Janice who is a Roman Catholic apologist?

He is on a polar opposite end of the spectrum from me when it comes to the

gospel of Jesus Christ.

And I've arranged debates with dr. James R. White of Alpha

Omega Ministries a fellow Reformed Baptist and Historic Protestant and

scholar and and theologian and apologist but Dr. St.

Janice over the years has become more and more alienated by his colleagues

in Roman Catholic apologetics because he has strongly adopted and advocated the

Geocentric ism or geocentrism view of cosmology

and He actually is a part of the production of a movie about it.

I just was curious if you've seen that movie.

Well,

I

know

that

from

having

a lot of

discussions

with.

Bob St. Janice and other Roman Catholics they They differ

on what?

Is viewed as dogmatic?

Versus things that are doctrine and discipline and tradition that is not

binding and they would view this as Not dogmatic.

It wasn't something that the the papacy declared ex cathedra that you that you must

abandon or deny geocentrism In order to be a faithful

Catholic so the Robertson Janice believes that he is within The boundaries

of faithful Catholicism.

When he opposes the papacy on a number of things that the papacy has not declared ex cathedra

and in fact, he is no fan as you might imagine of Pope Francis

and.

Actually, even though I have a lot of disagreement with Bob obviously I organized debates against

Him and his views on very important theological issues.

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fired from EWTN one of the more well -known Catholic television networks for

Criticizing Pope John Paul II when he was still alive Over liberalism and

so on so but that's all I mean.

Bob's not here to explain himself.

But that's where I know that he would probably come from that.

That's this is not an ex cathedra Declared dogma that the Roman Catholics to be

faithful must abandon geocentrism.

Again, he is a

fairly guest.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned in our show today for the last 90 minutes our guest has been.

A wonderful wonderful guest.

I think I'd like to have him back on a lot more frequently.

In fact, I don't think that I know that.

I hope you can join us on many more occasions in the future.

But dr. Danny are Faulkner and we're discussing his book the created cosmos.

What the Bible reveals about?

Astronomy.

And if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Somebody writing in with an alias lamb lamb doesn't have a question, but she just says.

I just loved the gentleness of dr. Danny Faulkner.

Say thanks to him and I'm wondering what about my gentleness lamb lamb.

Don't I have gentleness.

But anyway.

Now let's go a little bit more into the the section of the book.

Astronomical questions in the Bible how scripture confronts recent questions about astronomy.

And.

Well, let's finally go into a little bit more about Astronomy and distortions of the Bible

misconceptions of what scripture teaches about the stromini.

And.

Lamb lamb from Valley Stream, Long Island, New York who gave you that compliment earlier does actually have a

question.

Okay, and I have to enlarge it because I'm going blind.

And the font of this email is very small.

In our family, we all love to look at the sky the moon and the stars in it.

For it really proclaims the greatness of our God.

Just a few days ago.

The children examined or exclaimed That the solar system is amazing, but don't know how.

But I'm sorry.

But don't know what to do with the knowledge of this galaxy in terms of fulfilling the Great Commission in

order to help keep Young adults to understand and explore what other options God

might have in store for them.

We would love to ask dr. Danny our Faulkner.

What is his comment from an astronomy's astrophysics perspective on

this?

I strongly believe that communicating the truth as revealed in Saw in the science realm

to the adults generation is much needed.

However, I also think that the root of ignorant of

Ignorance of the truth in the scripture is rooted in the public education system.

Thus communicating to the school -aged children are equally important important.

Don't know if in the future that would be possible to see the creation.

Research and the like to invest and expand in the direction of communication

of the truth to young ones.

Well,

and

that's

a reason

why

if

site

with

all

sorts

of

resources

out

there

of astronomer.

But I

thank

you very much

lamb lamb for submitting that question and.

We have BB and Cumberland County.

Who says you were discussing earlier the gospel in the stars?

I?

Remember when the late dr. D. James Kennedy had developed a view

Similar to that if not exactly like that and Wrote about it and got

some of his friends upset with him.

I loved and still loved. Dr. Kennedy and his writings and Miss him

dearly now that he is with the Lord for eternity.

He has been of phenomenal Support and encouragement

to my own understanding of the scriptures and will have learned much from him.

But did he ever abandon that view that he unfortunately? appeared to develop.

Oh, yeah, I

remember when

he first

came out with

it that people

who are.

Who were his theological?

Peers and colleagues.

I don't mean colleagues within his ministry.

I mean, you know people who would have spoken with him at conferences and things like that

that were very Very upset about it and confronted him on it and so on.

We have Jeff and Clinton Township, Michigan.

Who asks why aren't those pastors and teachers who teach anything other than a literal six -day

creation week? Considered false teachers.

Well, I'm certain there are people that consider them false teachers because there are people who Think that if you have a

beard and a mustache that you're a false teacher.

There are there are some you know, interesting views.

I'm not saying that I hold to that view and I.

Understand and I sympathize and I'm tempted

myself to

go there

teaching millions of years and

And I

think

of hey

speak

for

yourself.

We're all wrong careful and

throwing around.

Well, I sure hope that

you don't write that about me in your blog after the shows.

And of course you have people like all of us who have blind spots because there have been great

Theologians who have contributed much to our understanding of Scripture who had

flaws and had Errors like even BB Warfield the great Prince Princeton divine.

Was.

Affected by the theory of evolution and all this stuff and I don't think he

ever became a loud of full -throated advocate for it, but he was

seemingly Thinking that it was not all that.

In conflict with Scripture at one point anyway,

and.

We another theologian that we were applauding as a great hero of the faith.

Yesterday with my dear friend or wonderful guest of mine.

Dr. George Grant.

Was a Thomas Chalmers.

Was that Thomas Chalmers you were speaking of?

Yeah, is that the same theologian that I'm speaking of.

Thomas Chalmers, yeah, I

believe.

So, yeah.

Yeah, and in fact, I know a expert on the Puritans who cherishes a

Handful of the writings of Richard Baxter the Puritan Especially the

reformed pastor and a couple of others.

But he said that a lot of Baxter's he's and this is one of the Foremost experts on the

Puritan era alive today who says that most of Richard Baxter's stuff Was is not

worthy of reading but so, you know, you just have this.

This thing that we have to deal with in on this planet before we are in glory with Christ that we are going to have

Disagreements, we're all going to have some kind of blind spots because of sin in our fallibility

and so on.

I'd like you to close with at least a Handful of

what you would think are the strongest scientific arguments against an old earth.

What I

think

is

for the

earth

why

is

it

even

just

a solar

system

which

energy

than

they

receive

from the

Sun and

Heat a long time ago.

Radioactive source

only thousands of years old and

they could certainly find

Satellite of Jupiter EO is volcanically

active

heat.

It doesn't

have.

We

have comets

in the solar

system

the

Kuiper

Belt.

A little

cell life

supposedly

arose on the

earth three and a

half billion year 25

That would

have resulted

in earth

that was.

Well, we're out of time and I'd love to have you back as soon as possible if you could hang out.

On the phone there when we go off the air.

I'd like to discuss booking another interview with you.

And I know that the website for Danny Faulkner and answers in Genesis is answers in Genesis org.

Do you have any other contact information that you care to share?

Answers in Genesis org.

I want to thank you so much.

I want to thank everybody for taking the time.

For.

For writing in and With great questions keeping the the program such a lively

pace.

I want to thank all of you who listen to the program and Support the program and I want you all to always

remember for the rest of your lives.

The Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.