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All right before we get in the Q &A tonight Forty years ago yesterday. What happened who besides John Kennedy died on that same day to other people.
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This is just Yeah Close Brave New World Huxley can you imagine on the same day all three of those men died and C .s.
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Lewis we could argue about his some of his theology if you want But at least till the end of his life.
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He said he believed Christ and tried to do that with his writing. I found that Huxley Said this as he ended his life toward the end of his life when he was into drugs
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He said this ignored death up into the last moment Then when it cannot be ignored any longer have yourself squirted full of morphine and shuffle off in a coma
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I mean you can be super smart and without Christ You're nothing no hope.
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Can you imagine? Boy all right That was freaky.
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It's just amazing that those three men died on the same day See it always happens with three.
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It's always in three three death All right. Well if you have your Bibles tonight, we're gonna look at some things
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Questions and topics we'll try to do them faster than we normally do typically we only cover a few and I've got a whole stack
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Tonight as evidenced by me dropping the whole stack and it flies all over Margie the first one is
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I want to talk a little bit about Bible translations just briefly and Especially one to look out for in particular
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How many people here by the way like New American Standard? Okay, how many people like New American Standard 95?
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How many people here like New American Standard XP? I'm just kidding Well, there's the
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NAS and the NES 95, how about we have King James people that like King James Okay, a lot more than in NAS.
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How about English Standard Version? That's a newer translation There might be a couple here these two progressive youths over here how about New King James Okay, got some of those and so those are all word -for -word translations
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And if you want to use those those are fine. How about a revised standard versions? Do we have any of those?
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At least that's a word -for -word translation and I think those are excellent and if you want to use other translations
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I probably didn't cover them all but when you say I like something that's word -for -word. That's what you want to try to go for That's what you want to try to strive for on the flip side of that is a paraphrase
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Can you think of a couple paraphrases that are out there now? Okay, the Living Bible good
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Tom Pardon me. Well the NIV is more phrase for phrase or thought for thought.
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I wouldn't call it a paraphrase. I Okay, good news for modern man. Good the message good
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Sorry Amplified. Yeah, I don't know how to put the amplified in the category because it's got a lot of different words
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And synonyms for a lot of things. So I don't know where I would put that That's a
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I think I talked about amplified a while ago. I Wouldn't reuse amplified as your key
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Bible You could use that as a supplement, but you've got on one side word -for -word on the other side
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You've got more of a paraphrase. Why does it even matter by the way, this is kind of nitpicky you know now we're turning into the
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You know word -for -word only group, you know, there's a King James only group and now that we're the word -for -word only group.
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I Mean you love NIV. I mean, well, why does it matter if you go from paraphrase to word -for -word?
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What's what's what's the problem or what's the issue anybody? Okay, well we want accuracy
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God did speak with words and he was very precise matter of fact It's interesting that you go from the
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Old Testament to the New Testament Hebrew which is very picturesque and speaks figurative and in great figures rather and then with the
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Greek which is very precise The one that I've had the trouble with the most and I want to help you and encourage you as a pastor that if you
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See this you need to be the most wary of and it's almost the most promoted these days is what
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Bob said and it's called the message Here's what happens many churches now don't have pew
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Bibles and if you want to have a big church and you want to have a Great church you get rid of the pulpit first of all because that's kind of authoritative and stuffy
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If you do have a pulpit you want to have a nice glass one We'll never have a glass pulpit here for me in terms of my preference because I like to do things with my feet and I Don't want you to know about it.
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It's just very pragmatic You know who wants to be behind a little glass pulpit, but get rid of that dress down pastor, it's fine
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You don't have to wear a suit and we don't like all those things and by the way Then have a very great projection screen
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And by the way, we want one of those and we want the camera as well in the lens But it's about 20 grand and so we just don't want to spend that money right now
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But we'd like to have something besides the neck greener over there, you know, and everybody walks around No We've got to probably be a friendlier church if we didn't have the screen over there because after the service you can't meet anybody
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Towards your right You just walk like that. And so, you know, that's not bad
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But what can be bad is this no pew Bibles a congregation that has been trained not to bring their
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Bibles Because all the verses are up on the screen and here's what happens and I've been to these churches
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Where the Bible verse is up on the screen and it doesn't show the verses before it doesn't show the verses after Context is not talked about and they pick their favorite translation of the verse and they tend to pick their favorite translation
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That's the most touchy -feely Psychologically driven and the one they use the most is the message
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And I'm gonna have you look up a couple verses in your NAS Bible our King James or English Standard Version and I want you to see the importance of Bible study
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Especially when you see a verse when you read the message I went hard to believe are the message
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Or any other book that has some of the quotes from the message in there rather You need to ask yourself the question.
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Is that taken in context? It's important if God's Word says something you want to do it, right?
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But you want to make sure you're doing what God says not what the author or a Translator wants you to do and so when you have just a verse up there out of nowhere and the whole sermon spins out of That watch out.
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There's another new hot book now, and I'm gonna give a fuller critique at another time But it shows in a day -by -day kind of Bible study.
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Here's a verse Here's the theology out of that verse and oftentimes the message is used and it is horrible
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There could be some truth certainly in the book I'm not saying that there's not but be careful when you see the message translation
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I want you to go like this if Abendroth is even half, right? Just study that in context,
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I'm not your enemy by telling you I'm your friend and so Oh, by the way this morning when the door slammed the person that went out and slammed the door said to me afterwards
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They said sorry. I just slipped I was hoping to get more blessed.
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Blessed are you when people speak, you know, I was getting ready for my rejoicing So someone said to me this morning as well it would have been nice if Could have talked about how to treat homosexual people.
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How can the church love them? That's true We have to make sure we really work on that But that was not my message.
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My message was the attack on marriage not even gays attacking marriage But even the judiciary attacking marriage
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Satan tacking at marriage. So Okay, so look get your Bibles out and let's look up a couple verses in your translation
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And I'm just gonna call a few of you out loud to say what you have. And the first one is Matthew 16 25
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Let's find this out. And again, I think we've been taught Well from the bookstore and the library and tracks and everything else that context is good
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By the way, that's the best way to teach a congregation to look at context is preach verse by verse Because everything you see is context every sermon is remember last week.
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That was the old man. This is the new man This is doctrine. This is practice. I mean you just see it every week
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And so what you do when you're a pastor just an inside hint between us the Sunday night crowd is
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I'm where as I preach I'm trying to teach you how to study the Bible on your own The way you hear the
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Bible taught from the pulpit is the way you'll study the Bible at home And so who has
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Matthew 16 25 when you have it just I'll raise your hand I'll call on you. Tell me your translation and then go ahead and read it.
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But the one I don't want is the message Wesley Okay, okay
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Let's hear another one Thank you. Not different than King James Bob.
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Yes. Okay Okay, very good
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And you can just see this interesting way that Jesus is bringing the point across About finding the losing and losing and finding to drive the point home a great teacher
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Okay, so we have any asking James. How about a new King James? There's got to be a Study Bible floating around here somewhere
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Okay, so very close notice with word -for -word translations. It's really pretty close we're not too many far too many words off whether it's
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King James with those Byzantine text or NAS with Alexandrian text just different texts that they use for translation.
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It's close now Let me give you the message and you tell me what's wrong with this
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This is for a chapter for one of the I think the most popular Christian book that's out now Matthew 16 25 message
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Self -help is no help at all Self -sacrifice is the way my way to finding yourself your true self
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So we go from you lose your life almost stuff from the hard -to -believe book you lose your life to really find your life and you
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Do the opposite and the opposite happens as well to now we have self -sacrifice is the way my way to finding yourself
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See how it's just turned inside in this psychological paradigm And then you have a whole chapter of a book written about that.
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Let me give you another one Romans 12 3 Go ahead and somebody find a Romans 12 3 and again what
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I want you to do and all the message isn't horrible I would be very careful, but I want you when you see
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Something in a book that says the message that you're just careful I love you, and I want you to not be sidetracked and listen to things that are just erroneous
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Romans 12 3 who can read that please? I mean, I know you all can read it who would please all right?
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Okay good a lot of stuff about thinking in there judgment and thinking all from the same root word
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That's KJV who has something else Fred Okay, thank you now
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Let me read the message and this is by the way the book that I've been talking about with 40 days of spirituality this is the theme of the entire book is the horrible rendering of this verse by the message where the author of that other book says we
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Discover the meaning and purpose only when we make God the reference point of our lives 25 but here's what the message says
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Romans 12 3 the only accurate way to Understand ourselves is by what
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God is and by what he does for us. I Mean See how it's turned in though We are to think properly
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Romans chapter 12 verse 3 is this 1 through 11 is doctrine with the chapters 12 is use your mind and by the way when you're using your mind chapter 12 verse 3 use your mind and think about yourself
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Properly and make sure you think about even in the spiritual gifts in a proper manner It is not trying to figure out a way to understand ourselves
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We have been given gifts think properly to use them in the Christian Church. You're gonna write a whole book about that That's the premise.
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It's very it's it's it's disheartening. Let me give you another one. I mean I Who wants to beat a dead horse?
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Let's just do two more verses 1st Corinthians chapter 2 verse 7. I'm telling you That in your life you're going to read something that has the message down here in a verse do yourself a favor
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Look up in your your Bible that you use What does that verse really say and look at in context if it matches great?
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That's fair. If it doesn't be careful 1st Corinthians chapter 2 verse 7 I mean if you thought the other ones were bad, you are going to I don't know what this one
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And I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't even mention this if it wasn't a big deal But it's it's out there everywhere, okay 1st
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Corinthians chapter 2 verse 7, let's get an ESV translation here Nate you have it So you read the
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ESV, but you don't have the ESV, but you have four other versions handy, don't you? Okay, anybody else
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Dave? James, all right. Okay.
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Good. How about Josh what do you have? You got the
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NES? Okay. Okay predestined before the ages to our glory now, let me give you the message
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God's wisdom goes deep into the interior of his purposes. It's not the latest message, but more like the oldest now here
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That's that's bad. But this is worse what God determined as the way to bring out his best in us
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Where God brings out his best in us Instead of translating it to our glory
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God brings out his best in us and see it's all flipped upside down through you Psychological bent
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I'll just read the last one Ephesians chapter 111 in NES says Having been predestined according to the purpose who works all to his purpose who works all things after the counsel of his will
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The message it is in Christ that we find out who we are and what we are living for Look before we first heard of Christ and got our hopes up He had his eyes on us had designs on us for glorious living part of the overall purpose
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He is working out in everything in everyone To find out who we are. I mean, this is just self actualization pyramid to the sky.
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I Could go on by the way, that's what your pastor says when he's kind of really run out of material
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But doesn't want to admit it. I really could go on this time Be careful if you're reading Rick Warren's book the 40 -day deal you need to say to yourself
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Here's the chapter title and it's got the message there. These all came straight from the
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Warren book with the message Here's what he says This is the message and does he create the entire chapter that I'm supposed to live out that day out of an erroneous false view of Scripture Not everyone is wrong, but the ones that are you need to be careful
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And if you're like me lots of times, there's a verse printed in Scripture and I don't bother to look up the verse
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I don't bother to look it up with the message Would you please as a friend as a pastor look up that verse?
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Because otherwise it's going to be turned in to say here's this God who needs my meat and it meets my needs
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Versus how we are here to glorify God and enjoy him forever completely upside down Okay questions about that.
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Yes, Eugene Peterson from Regent College He's a seminary professor at Regent Probably a great guy.
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I mean think about it when you talk about people It's fine to talk about what they teach or believe when you go home tonight and say
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I think Ava Roth was right or wrong I think that's legitimate talking about people and what they believe is fine, isn't it?
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But then when you start denigrating their character that isn't fine So we say Eugene Peterson teaches this beware
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I think that's legitimate if I say well, he's just really uh, you know He cheats when he plays poker and and you know and all these things then
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I think that's illegitimate So if you go home and say I disagree with Mike fine I hope you do sometimes but you don't have to say well, and he's just a horrible guy for doing it but he's a professor and I'm sure very schooled and I Want precision
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God is precise Can you imagine when Jesus talks about this law of the
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Old Testament is not going to be abrogated But fulfilled down to the very jot and tittle, you know, how many jots there are little tiny little marks like that I think there's probably 6 ,000 of those in the
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Old Testament just a little Everyone is important Okay There is marketing that goes with it and promotion and that's not necessarily bad.
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You can get you know, good stuff That's marketed. Well and marketing does serve its purposes
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I Didn't I wasn't even going to mention the name tonight because it just creates all kinds of questions And I was going to put together a little more formal critique at another time
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But there there is promotion. You can buy everything you can go through it. There's good stuff in there.
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There's you know, I I'm sure the question is is it good enough to go through? As a church and so the answer for us, you know, ask yourself this question
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Here's what the book table we have in the books in a book table. You could ask yourself this question Why aren't there certain books on that table?
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Because I don't know the latest trends. I Do know and I don't mean pridefully.
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I know that's just my business to know I like to know all the stuff that's going on So if you don't see a book out there and you want it out there, then let's talk to Nate about it or myself
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But if there's not a book that the hottest newest best -selling book you may deduce and I'd say 90 %
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Properly that that's not something that the leadership wants us to read ours encourage us to read. Oh Probably I got a call a few weeks ago, and it was a very pushy
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Christian sales rep All those words go together I don't know and and they said
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I said well, you know You have to call back on Tuesday and you can talk to Anita about that and not because of Lenita They had never called before and then they said well will she hang up on me?
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But Yeah, you get through so it is a very big promotion and there's you know
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It all started a certain day and go through and again if you want to read books and critique them fine.
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It's okay by me I'm not saying to someone you can't read that book and you can't benefit from it But if you read that book and you see the thing that says on top the message
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I just want you to ask yourself the question. That's probably going to be the wrong translation and I need to know that Ignorance is not bliss.
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Yes today's
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English version see the contemporary English version GW Good news.
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No good God's Word for today. Thank you, Bob. Yes, I think it's okay to use different translations
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Dave will preach next Sunday and he's probably gonna preach out of the King James. I mean, it's fine by me It's no big deal.
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It doesn't have to be fall on down the line We want to have the pew Bibles the same and the pulpit Bible the same just so people can fall long
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Regular, you know on a regular basis. And so if we want to read a different translation, I like to do that Have you ever read through the
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Bible in a year and then the next year you said, you know what just for fun? I'm gonna try to read the ESV this year. I've always read the
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King James I'll read the New King James and you just read through it's fine But my problem is precision and accuracy with Scripture And I think that's
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I don't think I'm out of the league for saying Paul would want that Peter would want that the
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Apostles wanted that God himself and Christ wants precision and we serve a precise
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God that we worship him with them Our mind and I don't want loose translations to tell me how to live because that's what it is and if it's wrong, then it's wrong and Psychology is fine to examine things and saying why does that dog salivate?
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Well, we can learn but how we can stop human behavior and make it stop sinning and make human behavior more like Christ I don't think psychology can help us.
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I think the scriptures can and so I Think we'll do a formal kind of review and critique that will roll right up because it's popular
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I don't think I think prayer Jabez was even It may even pale in comparison to this one.
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So anyway My main point wasn't to rip on the purpose -driven life
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It was to say when you see books like that be very very careful. For instance.
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Here's another one you read the Daily bread If I use a illustrations many times
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I use an illustration from the daily bread because they just are very illustrative But if you just get the daily bread and read that verse and then have your devotional
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Then you just want to be careful because is that verse taken in context for the most part the daily bread people are conservative but still
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I just It's not that I don't trust anyone. That's not the point But when
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I teach you something someone said to me last week You mean to tell me that if you teach something I disagree I could sit down and talk to you about it
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Please I want you to I can guarantee you. I will teach you wrong things from the pulpit Some is just a slip of the tongue.
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But others is because I'm a man Ask Scott Barrett, you know, the more you get to know me the more you'll know realize that right
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So you want to say does he line up with the Word of God? Yes But it's it's a good help when
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I'm starting with the word -for -word translation and not some kind of paraphrase that psycho Babel eyes
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Did you are do you like the book? Well, sorry,
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I'm not getting into it more but at least we talked about it a little okay, let's uh Let's do another one here.
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If one has been baptized at an early age and didn't accept Jesus Christ Didn't follow after Christ should they be baptized again?
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Okay, why can you find a verse in the message for that?
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Okay. Good. Good. All right, Janine Okay, what's wrong with the the terminology get baptized again?
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We think that's right terminology. By the way, if you're in a seeker sensitive church, you don't talk about baptism.
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Why? Because half the people probably disagree with you So you just don't talk about it.
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You don't talk about end times things. You don't talk about gay marriages You don't talk about any of that stuff why cuz somebody's gonna get mad
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So if someone has been baptized as a child as an infant, for instance I will use my case
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Sprinkled as a as a baby and then grew up and then got saved when I got baptized
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Did I was I baptized again or was I baptized the first time technically speaking biblically?
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The first time that's right So it's not like with the term anabaptist in the
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Reformation period where Anna was, you know to rebaptize They weren't baptized the first time it was the initial time.
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Well, let's get even more particular. Let's say you Grew up or maybe your kids your kids at 14 or 15 say
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I love the Lord. They're signs of fruit They get baptized. They wander away from the faith for 15 years and at 30 they come to you and say dad
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I haven't walked with the Lord for 30 years and What would you advise them
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I'm telling you that happens a lot the exact scenario but people who make a profession get baptized the first time the real way by Immersion and then they walk away from the
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Lord and then they say but shall I get baptized again? Bob okay, certainly if someone's struggling with sin for a year and then they say, you know,
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I better get baptized again because I I Don't know if I would say even today with lot with lot who is righteous.
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There are people in the scriptures who sin You don't lose your salvation when you sin, but I picked 15 years because it does happen number one
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But number two, that's a long enough time where if you look at somebody and say for 15 years you have not worshipped
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God There's a good possibility Probability even that you're not even a
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Christian So what I usually do is I walk people through the scriptures tell them about salvation
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It's always believe and be baptized and say if you think that you weren't a Christian for those 15 years
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And there's no fruit at all. I mean we can just get the magnifying glass out and can't see anything There's no love for God.
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There's no love for his word. There's no confession of sin. There's no love for his people There's no using your spiritual gifts and you go down the checklist to first John and other places
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Then I tell them I think you need to get baptized for the first time because it's believe and be baptized now if it's six months and so, you know, you have a
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Child or a spouse or somebody that kind of spirals out Then they might not in fact need to be baptized, but I think if it's the long pattern then then we should
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Comments on that questions. Yes mark. Let us pray
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It is very very hard and as you know as a church
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It's difficult because if you're an elder board, what do you do if you put an age on baptism, you're done
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Because there's always somebody a year younger a year older, you know, it's very very difficult True or false.
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There are children Who have been baptized in the Bible specific cases where you can find child baptism five years old eight years old nine years old
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No, the closer you get is actually after 16 where the household was baptized and you have to be careful
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If you think the household was baptized, especially when the Greek word household could also include pets and dogs
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You have to be very very careful. You're gonna have the dog baptism. It's like boom Would that be double immersion for the dogs?
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And dog years, you know you baptize seven times. You have to be very very careful. And so what do you do? the general rule of thumb around here is about ten years old if you have a child and they're ten and you think they're a
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Christian and could express their faith then we'll baptize them there can be exceptions if you have an eight -year -old set up an appointment and I won't let you talk when we all get together.
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You can be there. I'm just gonna find out if the person has a credible Credible Understanding of faith and it's not just I believe in Jesus and he rose from the dead and he died for my sins
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I'm not saying that's not good enough but the demons can believe that and I want to know if they understand that submission and obedience and following and Trusting some of those things.
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They don't have to understand it like we do but they need to understand the gospel There's a little good little book about children's professions of faith and baptism the green book we have upstairs or I can't remember what it's called
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It's excellent, it's very very It's hard. It's a hard issue. If you have a four -year -old,
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I'm probably gonna say you know, I can't put a verse on it, but just hang in there be patient encourage them along and You know the elders don't want to do it at four.
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So if we disagree, that's real submission just I'm sorry If the kids are older, you know, let's go.
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Let's do it this way Let's say you have a an 18 year old son or daughter and they they profess
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Christ But they don't want to get baptized should the parents pressure them? I don't think it should be pressure in manipulation, but I think you could bring biblical pressure to bear
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Don't you want your kids to obey God? So when I meet people and they say
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I'm a Christian, but I don't really want to get baptized I don't want to manipulate them and have them get baptized for me
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But I do as a pastor as a friend as a fellow member of the church want them to be baptized for their own good
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So I will try to apply the biblical pressure of you know If you really are a
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Christian you need to get baptized and this whole idea of I can't talk in front of people and I can't Get up there and this and that and the other if you're not willing to confess
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Christ Before this group of people then you need to ask yourself the question. How can I be saved?
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Now I'm not saying you can't be saved nor your kids can be saved but if someone says I will not get baptized I know what the scripture teaches.
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I've been taught it and I will not get baptized. I Just say to them it's fair for me to tell you you need to ask yourself
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How can you be a Christian if you won't be baptized? And again, I don't know anyone's heart It's not a clear -cut thing, but it's a fair question to ask
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Not always true either If you think of people in this our own congregation where I think they were saved before they were baptized
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But it just took a lot for them to get baptized and I rejoice that they they are I bet you they rejoice, too
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But it's hard with ages. We don't know if anybody's got any better ideas That's fine.
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The whole age of accountability true or false. There is an age of accountability true the day of conception
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That's the day of accountability Right, is it well, how can you find accountability in the scriptures? Can you you could deduce it maybe from Bar Mitzvah and 13 year old
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Jewish children becoming adults. Could you find it any other way when our children accountable before God?
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Let's find out. Let's go to Romans chapter, you know, it probably would be good if it's a Bible question answer that we use our
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Bibles That's always a novel concept You know, it's somebody may say well you blast the message, but at least they use the
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Bible Romans chapter 5. I don't think we understand fully
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Or maybe we don't want to understand because it's so emotional that every one of us including our children
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We're in Adam at the fall and they sinned we sin
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Everyone sinned in Adam in the fall at the garden and God credited to your account what
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Adam did You say how could God do that? He's crediting Adam sin to my account
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Well praise God that there's another Adam called the second Adam in first Corinthians chapter 15 where he credits his
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Righteous acts to your account too. If God says in my wisdom and in my my knowledge
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I see the human race every single person that will ever be born in Adam and they were all sitting in the garden are you to argue am
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I to argue and I know Everybody was in that situation. Do you know why let's find out
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Romans chapter 5 verse 12 For those of you that haven't read it. I encourage you to read
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John Murray's section on this book first second Romans chapter 5 verses 12 through 21 verse 12
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Therefore just as through one man's sin entered into the world and death through sin and so sin spread to all men
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Death spread to all men because all sin you want to know why babies die Because they have been affected by the fall and not just by creation but their own this is a whole can of worms
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So hear me out Babies die because they have been affected by sin
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Internally and externally. I'm not saying babies die because they're sinful and and we have that's
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See how hard it is to be a pastor. You just try this try talking about it sometime we are in Adam and You know why we all are we have been in Adam and we have sinned that is proven because there's death
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You see what Paul's trying to say? We are in Adam. There's been sin. And do you know how everyone's in?
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In Adam and they've sinned is because people die Children die we all die
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Now I'm not saying somebody, you know dies because there's some kind of axe murder anything And I'm not getting into that when children and heaven and hell and all these kind of things
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That's not my point But Paul's point here is death through sin so death spread to all men because all sin
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You show me someone that never dies and I'll show you someone who doesn't sin with a few exceptions with Enoch and others
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Verse 13 for until the law sin was in the world sin is not imputed when there's no law nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses Even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam who is the type of him was to come
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Skip down to verse 17 for if by the transgression of the one death reigned through the one much more than Those who receive the abundance of grace see how much more and of the gift of righteousness will reign in the life through the one
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Jesus Christ So then through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life
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To all men you can go ahead and read the rest of the verses verse 21 says so that as sin reigned in death
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Even so grace reigned through the righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord Again to summarize because I've said some things that are
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Confusing we have all sinned in Adam and God said he was our federal head
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You couldn't figure that out by looking at the stars could you look at Haley's comment we're all in that I Mean you just can't figure that out.
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It's in Revelation only it's not by reason Everyone was in there and God says, you know
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It just could have been as easily as Mike Avendroth committing those sins and Adam was our federal head and God counted
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That sin of Adam to the entire human race proof death. That's what
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I'm talking about with you now sometimes you start talking like this and you have no idea where you're going back to age of accountability if God in fact sees the entire human race there
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They are all held accountable are there exceptions and God takes little ones home and takes them to heaven
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I think that's probably true. I think it is true Can't prove it scripturally because scripture never talks about children who die talks about adults
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So the age of accountability you're all accountable You just end up being more accountable as you grow and understand the realities of Scripture That's why when people say this it always befuddles me
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Well, I preach the gospel to them and now they're really held accountable They're accountable now.
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Ah They are more accountable now You're accountable to God when you see the moon when you're born now, you're more accountable because you know the
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Sun the only Savior I Think the closest you can get to age of accountability is found in Jonah.
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Let's go there for a minute The book of Jonah is very interesting Can you imagine a great revival broke out in one of the worst places in the entire world?
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I think it could probably happen to Massachusetts couldn't it matter of fact it did 300 years ago the book of Jonah and Let's just go there for a minute and does anybody know the verse that I'm talking about All right,
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Dave go ahead and read that as in my Bibles kind of stuck together here, did you hear that?
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They can't discern between their what and their what? Right hand your left who can't do that Josh raise your right hand
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Repeat after me. I'm just kidding You say that's a little man you say that to Mattie or grace
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You say to grace rise your right hand should probably go like this. She'll go John 11 Lazarus You say to Gracie raise your right hand to Maddie she'll be
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She doesn't know so God is saying to Jonah, you know, there's some people there who little
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They don't know their left hand from their right hand and I'm a compassionate God and Jonah get a move on But this whole idea of age of accountability now
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They're accountable Everyone is accountable because they all were in Adam at the fall and God holds us accountable and the only escape ever is
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Christ's death Typically it is through faith in Christ Using our mind and in our wills and everything about us in a holistic way believing on the cross
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Are there other ways to get to heaven with? Retarded folks and downed kids and babies who die in the womb and out of the womb.
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I think there are but God for sure Will have called them applied
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Christ's blood to them and bypassed faith in a way that I don't understand and frankly in a way
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That God doesn't want us to understand because if he wanted us to understand it He put something like that in Scripture for us
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It is we are going to trust God that he's going to do the right thing with those babies And trust God that he is good and kind and we can count on him
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Right, you don't have to have it all tied up. I mean, there's some things in the scripture where you just go my wife had that miscarriage and God I'm hurting
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God. I'm sad God. I love you, and I'm gonna know you're gonna do the right thing
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And Kim and I had a miscarriage. I think I'm gonna get to heaven and go see I'm thinking I have another son Nothing about girls, but I already got three girls.
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I don't have one boy. I hope there's another boy I'm gonna go Wow two boys versus two or three girls.
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We almost Well, we have a basketball team now basketball team in heaven Good shooting percentage, but we just have to trust
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God because the scriptures don't tell us Well, maybe you want to read
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John's new book about babies going to have safe in the arms of God But age of accountability, it's not around our kids are accountable
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We want to spur them on you want to take your four -year -old and say you need to believe that Jesus is your sin there
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You need to believe that he was raised from the dead You need to believe and when they say I believe you say good job.
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Keep on believing. All right. Well, that was Okay, how about this one
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Do we want to do the seventh Adventism thing. Okay. Good. Let's do that. All right.
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Thanks Because otherwise we're just gonna just keep going. All right, we live in a town
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Called Lancaster, Mass. Anybody know where the headquarters of Seventh -day Adventism is Lancaster Mass the headquarters and it is amazing that the headquarters of all kinds of cults are in Boston You had the
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Boston Church of Christ you have What Christian science, which is neither it's like grape nuts
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What else Huh Unitarians and We have
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Seventh -day Adventists. It's interesting now whether they're a cult or not. We'll talk about in a minute. It's very very interesting
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Does anybody remember Nate you may remember what do we when we look at another kind of denomination are another religion?
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What are the three things we look at the three s's this is how you analyze? JWs Mormons, etc.
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Wesley Okay, very good Source, what's their source of authority?
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Is it the Bible or is it the Bible plus? Savior who is Jesus is he the biblical
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Jesus or is their own personal Jesus? Thirdly personal made up in their own mind imaginary thirdly salvation.
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How are you made right in God's eyes? Those are the three things you can get all sidetracked on food and tofu and you know
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All these kind of different things and those are fine Well, maybe they're not fine to eat but those are fine to talk about I can't actually like tofu myself, but We have any tofu tonight
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Okay So number one, let's look at these three things. Number one source.
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I'm gonna speak fast because we need to eat and Get going the source.
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What do you think? The main source of authority is for the Seventh -day Adventist? Ellen G white.
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Thank you. Is she on par with Scripture now? Listen nine times out of ten cults are aberrational groups don't say
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This is a book from Satan and we are all Satan worshippers It's hard to get a big congregation that way but it is better if you get the
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Bible and say it's the Bible We've got some extra cool writing And their writings are from Ellen G.
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White. Let me tell you what they think about Ellen G. White's writings These are all from Ellen G.
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White herself are from their church authoritative statements authoritative statement the
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Dallas statement her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth and provide for the church comfort guidance instruction and Correction.
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Okay. Let's see what Ellen G. White said about her writings she said These books can her books contain clear straight unalterable truth and they should be certainly appreciated
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The instructions they contain is not of human production Those who reprove but the
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Spirit of God should not rise up against the humble instrument It is God and not an erring mortal who has spoken to save them from ruin when
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I talk God speaks I Am just as dependent upon the
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Spirit of the Lord and relating or writing a vision as in having the vision It is impossible for me to call up things which have been shown me unless the
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Lord brings them before me at the time That he is pleased to have me relate or write them. So would you think it's fair to say that her source of their sources?
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The Bible and what they say, I think it's definitely fair By the way, she said this if she is really all that I saw that the old
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Jerusalem would never be built up 1948 it was she said that She knew when the rapture was going to be it was going to be in whenever 18 seconds such and we were changed and caught
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Up together with them to meet them in the Lord The Lord in the air she didn't do that she died in st.
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Helena, California in 1915 She said that England and America were going to have a war This was before the other war
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She said all nations will have an interest of their own to serve and there will be a general war general confusion
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The result will be this nation. The United States will be humbled into the dust Maybe that will be in the future.
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I'm not sure. Here's my main point with seven -day Adventism I want them to say Ellen G right white isn't a prophet and if you were an
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Old Testament prophet and spoke the wrong thing Then what happened? Yeah, it's a pretty That was a pretty good way to do it probably back then.
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All right. Let me let me go for the Savior All right, maybe you're not convinced about the source But Ellen G white
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Christ took you upon his sinless nature our sinful nature Christ took our nature and its deteriorating condition
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Did Christ take on our sinful nature or did he take on and bear our sins? He bore our sins was
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Jesus body in the tomb rotting for those days They walked back in was it like Lazarus and the
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King James it stinketh You know Jesus had a body that wasn't going to undergo decay and that was even prophesied in the psalm
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This is that that is a lie. How about this one? This is the service which began when the 2300 days ended at that time as foretold by Daniel the
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Prophet Our high priest entered the most holy to perform the last division of his solemn work to cleanse the sanctuary
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I was shown that what did take place in heaven at the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 as Jesus ended his ministration in the holy place and closed the door on that apartment.
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He passed within the second veil The veil was lifted and I looked into the second apartment above the place where Jesus stood before the ark was exceeding bright glory
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But I could not look upon it. It appeared like the throne of God In other words Jesus did not ascend to the right hand of God until 1844 he's just kind of floating around for a while and then in 1844 said go up there.
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That's not true How about this one? Do you need God the Son to stand before you as you stand before the father?
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You need a mediator in other words, who's the mediator who's the only mediator between you and God Okay, thank you
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LMG white those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary are To stand in the sight of a holy
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God without a mediator When Jesus ceases to plead for man the cases of all are forever decided
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This is the time when the reckoning of the servants. All right. How about this?
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Here we go. This is my my coup de gras How many people believe that? The Lord's Day is
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Sunday and we worship on Sunday, you don't have you don't want to admit it you don't have to just trying to get a headcount how many people think that Sabbath was for Israel and They worshiped
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Israel worshiped on Saturday and we worship on Sunday. No, some haven't raised their hand
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Well, I just want you to know if you believe what I just said that you have the mark of the beast according to LMG white
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Okay, I saw that the Holy Sabbath is and will be the separating wall between the true
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Israel of God and unbelievers The divine institution of the Sabbath is to be restored the delivering of this message will precipitate a conflict that would involve the whole world the whole world's going to fight this about the
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Sabbath the Central issue will be obedience to God's law and the observance of the Sabbath those
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I quote who rejected eventually received the mark of the beast All right, how about this is it okay to say that you have eternal security in Christ because of his work
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Okay, she said no those who accept the Savior However, sincere their conversion should never be taught to say or feel that they are saved
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About the Atonement was Jesus Christ's death on the cross
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Something that he said I'm finished and I've been offering my sacrifice once for all time.
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That's true, right Hebrews Jesus has to come back at 1844 to quote to perform the closing work of the
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Atonement in quote didn't finish the job So 1844, how about this?
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Jesus didn't even bear our sins Satan heard him. Okay upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will be finally placed scapegoat typified by Satan So Christ will place all these sins upon Satan a great controversy
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I mean it does not it just gets worse. Does the blood of Christ cancel your sins? Makes the power of cancels in it sets the captives free or something.
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Nope. He didn't start doing that until 1844 He began blotting out sins quote the blood of Christ while it has to release the repentant sinner from a condemnation of law
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It was not to cancel sin So those things with the source the
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Savior and salvation make these things trivial Jesus unholy fit for food
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Egg should not be placed in your table. They're an injury to your children I mean if you don't believe it's the
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Bible alone if you don't believe that Jesus is the real Savior and if you don't believe it's salvation by faith alone in the finished work of Calvary where Jesus bears the sins and not
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Satan and what does it matter about the food law? I'll tell you why seventh -day Adventism is super popular around here and one reason and one reason alone
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Besides from the obvious satanic delusion It's this go home tonight and say no to yourself and yes to Christ and tomorrow when you wake up It's time to say no to self again and deny yourself and there's a cross waiting for you
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And that's not your spouse by the way the cross It's Christ cross or say
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I can please God by just eating this kind of food worshiping on this day Legalism is always attractive to people because it's so much easier.
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I Ate fish on Friday, and I'm I'm sad And I don't know why but I always go to West Boylston fish place on Friday.
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Why do I go on Friday? It's jam -packed in there It's time to be holy Versus going home saying you know what this is what
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I want. This is myself saying. Yes. Yes. Yes I want to feed myself and then you say you know what I need to lay my down my life for my spouse
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It's way harder to do the second one isn't it? Anyway in my opinion besides food besides soul sleep where they don't believe in and They believe in annihilation everything else.
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I don't consider The seventh -day Adventist on the street to know the gospel so I think you should preach the gospel to them
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Are there some seventh -day Adventist saved of course? There's some Baptists who aren't saved, right?
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But I'm saying if you are seventh -day Adventist you should believe what the church teaches And if you do you can't be saved if you believe erroneous doctrine
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So when you meet a seventh -day Adventist you'd be kind you'd be nice You'd be sweet, and you preach the gospel of them and don't get sidetracked about food talk about the gospel
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Where did came to his wife? How are you gonna make? Be made right with with God Well, what about the
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Sabbath? What did the cross do it's always taking you down these trails to get back to the cross That's the real issue
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We have people come visit all the time We were taking a class at the school at the Atlantic Union's and you come at your worship service
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Yes, when they do would you sit by them would you love on them when you say hi to them? I don't know if you're supposed to give them cookies or not because there's probably eggs inside the cookies
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But you just love them anyway Tell them the truth People say well, you know, it's not loving if you say those things you love
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God enough to obey him if you love me You will what? Keep my commandments and do you love the other person enough to tell them?
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You know, that's a damning religion You don't have to say those words to start and you can you can get them there. He's laughing but sometimes you know
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You think about it There's different ways and God has wired different ways
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Bruce is wired one way and somebody else is wired another way and matter of fact I think that's a good thing. Jesus said hey
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John the Baptist came to you and he played a dirge and he was out there Just the ascetic guy and he was out there doing all these wild things preaching repentance
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And I came to you and we threw a party that kid games back then one party. They had the funeral
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Hey, let's all get together and play a wanna circles around this ball wanna games on the circle They didn't have a wanna back then.
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I want to maybe biblical, but it's not that biblical all the way back there You know, I mean, so they said let's make you
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Yeah, so you walk around oh we have a funeral that was a kids game Then they had another game wedding the two biggest things in society back in those days.
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Let's play house. No, let's play funeral Let's play wedding Jesus said it's like kids who sit there and go we don't want to play either game.
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We don't like playing doctor We don't like playing house. We don't like playing this We don't like playing that Jesus said the funeral game the man who was the gamester for that They want a commander game guy was
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John the Baptist and the one who was the wedding feast His name was me Jesus Christ where I am
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Banqueting and eating with sinners and all kinds of people and you Pharisees don't like either game You don't want to play either game.
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So I don't know what else to tell you in our church We have the sweet kind Loving evangelist and we have those who stand up on the street corner saying repent the kingdom of God draws nigh
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Both are good So Be sweet to these people and remember if we're right and I think we are the only reason why we believe in the seventh -day
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Adventist don't it's because the grace of God So show them that grace there's forgiveness to be found in the
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Savior and you don't have to please God by eating You know this week if you don't have your daily devotions, God will love you just as much as he always has
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Should you have your daily devotions? I think you should read the Bible But God doesn't love you more because you do or don't do that.
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All right, let's pray Father we do. Thank you for this time and Probably just guard us and protect us
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So many books written in the Bible about false teachers and so many things addressed by them by the
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Scriptures about the false teachers father protect us guard us I just have sweet sweet fellowship now with one another and with the food and would you help us not to be honoree?
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Would you help us not to be? Prideful because we know these things help us to love those and help us to put ourselves in their shoes and really show them
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Your son's love but help us father to tell people the truth Come what may and lots of people won't like it and won't like us because of it