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Does it mean you perceive being gay as a sin? Do you do you think that being gay is a sin?

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Who loves us more than the one that made us I mean we're none of us are a surprise to god

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Nothing about who we are what we've done You know, and I just feel like that's why

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To me, it's so important to set a welcome table because I was invited to a table where somebody said you're loved right now

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Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid you're loved And like music can do that music is the easiest conversation you can have with somebody gay straight

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It does not matter. It doesn't matter how we behave. It doesn't matter how we're wired

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We're all our best selves when we believe to our core i'm loved

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But to hear amy say on this episode that I am welcome at god's table as a gay man is so affirming

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Thank you, amy grant you've changed my life in so many ways God has worked many of her greatest wonders in my life through you.

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I call god. She to fight the patriarchy Grant's words were celebrated by kelly and other members the lgbtq community on social media

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This of course is the end result of the hermeneutic of love and the hermeneutic that tells you

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Don't worry about that sin stuff. Don't worry about that holiness stuff. The bible is all about us

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It's all about how much god loves us. It's all about About how much he wants us to succeed and to be happy.

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It's all about man You have to really stop reading the bible at all to get that Nothing here about redemption

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Sacrifice wrath power. No, no, no That's not for today's world

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That's not what is attractive Does it mean you perceive being gay as a sin do you do you think that being gay is a sin

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Uh, we have a pretty major development Remember this Yelling gay rights at a switchfoot show with my friend.

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Well last night this happened Hey grace Yes I want you to feel loved and supported in fact breaks my heart to think that you would not be accepted

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Let me correct that you and your journey and your story are welcome at a switchfoot show

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You love different than me you are beloved doubters believers haters lovers

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No one else is an expert on someone else's experience and I can't pretend to know your pain, but I know what it's like to wrestle with depression and anxiety

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I know what it's like to feel voiceless in a hypocritical culture that feels deeply flawed

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With all love and respect. I hope to see you around sometime That's as close I think as we're gonna get that was like a gay rights

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Right, like he said lgbtq. I'm pretty sure at the very beginning. He said yes. I support gay rights.

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Yes. I support your rights Oh, well, you're gay I took the night to Kind of just like have a moment to myself.

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John. I don't know if you know how meaningful Um that affirmation was I am interpreting what you said as being affirming.

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Um If i'm incorrect in that then I really hope you would clarify because I think for many

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Queer people of faith the the bait and switch of like hearing Such encouraging words like yours and then finding out that it means something

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Else, it can be heartbreaking, but I don't think I don't think that's you In the name of advancing the gospel

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We we don't want to be a stumbling block and we don't want to offend people so so what we will do is we will keep

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Talking about the same thing we we just won't

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Directly refer to jesus, but but everybody who's a christian will know Exactly who and what we're talking about until they don't

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Out of jesus, does it mean you perceive being gay as a sin?

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Do you do you think that being gay is a sin? Not meaning to stir things up, but Is there a non -speculative or non -slippery slope reason why gays shouldn't marry?

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I don't hear one. I just don't see a negative effect to allowing gay marriage No societal breakdown no war on traditional marriage

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Anyone tweeting scripture verses to settle my questions of gay marriage isn't helpful

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Simple answer is the complex questions equals math So many gay couples display more loving characteristics and healthy relationship practices than most traditional married couples one of the most common objections to the christian position on homosexuality is

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That homosexuality can't be wrong if it doesn't harm anyone well

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That assertion is based on a false premise And the false premise is that no one is harmed by homosexuality

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Homosexuality is sin. The bible makes it very clear that it is a sin

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Romans chapter one for example makes it very clear that homosexuality is a sin.

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So again It's a false premise the idea that you can have

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Sinful practices that don't harm anyone They harm the people who engage in them

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And they harm the message of the gospel Does it mean you perceive being gay as a sin do you do you think that being gay is a sin?

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Hmm What jesus taught was a radical message of welcome and inclusion and love

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I feel certain god loves me just the way I am and I have a huge sense of calling to communicate that to young people

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When I think of myself at 13 Sobbing into that carpet I just want to help anyone in that situation to not have to go through what

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I did to show that instead You can be yourself a person of integrity

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Does it mean you perceive being gay as a sin do you do you think that being gay is a sin

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If one of your kids let's say one of your male sons, yeah comes to you at 20 23 years old and says hey dad.

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This is my husband. We're engaged We're gonna get married next month and I want you to be in the wedding

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Yeah What would you say? My thing is like this? I don't like my brother's gay.

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You know what i'm saying? And so Like I don't I don't condemn him. I don't look down on him for him being attracted to the opposite sex

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You know i'm saying that's That's something sex. Yeah, or the same sex. Excuse me. I don't condemn him

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You know i'm saying like if anything We'll we will dialogue so that I can have a better understanding because I don't profess to be like I got this all figured out

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And I know the way this should be like i'm trying to read the bible. I'm trying to have conversations with people and i'm trying to understand

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You know the the perspective, you know i'm saying and I I feel like anybody Who wants to come at a person negatively like if you was if you was a christian you came at me negatively

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Then it's like you're not giving me the grace and the space to be a learner You know what I mean? Help me, you know, give me the space and the grace to learn

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And and that's how that's how we move forward You know i'm saying so you could point something out to me and say hey, this is what it says

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Mcrae, you should know better. You should know this well You know Give me the grace in the space to to take my time and understand the perspective on it and understand why these people think it

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This way and it like that's that's the perspective I have i'm more of a learner and I and I give people the grace in The space as i'm processing and as i'm learning, um, you know and just walk with people through that You know what?

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I mean to just be a lifelong learner man Even if you compromise you get an opportunity to eventually preach the gospel some are gonna mock you

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Some will hear you further and some will believe You know what happens when you don't compromise?

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And god opens an opportunity for you to preach the gospel. Some will mock you some will listen to you further and some will believe

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So why bother compromising in the first place? Compromising Is not going to save anyone

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So Does it mean you perceive being gay as a sin do you do you think that being gay is a sin

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Do you feel that homosexuality is a sin, you know, I can't honestly answer on that I have too many people that I love that they are homosexual

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I don't know. I can't say One way or the other i'm not god

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So when people ask questions like that, that's what my go -to is I just say read the bible and find out for yourself and when you find out let me know because i'm learning too

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The other problem with this line of argumentation, of course is that Paul in romans chapter one also addresses women

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Who engage in unnatural practices with other women? So if all paul was dealing with was the practice of pederasty

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In the pagan greco -roman world where men use boys for sex

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Then please somebody tell me why he also addressed women Who engaged in that practice with other women when that wasn't?