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His name is Jonathan Schofield.

He's a professional musician and member of Covenant Church.

And today he's going to be addressing his brush with a Korean cult, A Close

Call with Disaster.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jonathan

Schofield.

Hey.

First of all, before we get into your story, tell us about Covenant

Church in Houston, Texas.

I've been attending Covenant Church about three years ago.

Praise God.

And I know that this is a congregation in the PCA, Presbyterian Church in America.

And just asking you if you, or telling you, I should say, if you'd

like to find out anything more about Covenant Church, especially after the show is over, go to

covenantpca .org, covenantpca .org.

Well, Jonathan, before we get further into your story about when you

first came to encounter this Korean cult, tell us about your

upbringing in your own home.

What kind of religious atmosphere, if any, were you raised in?

I was,

well,

I am

fortunate

to have been

here

many

years

in the OPC.

Yes, and I have interviewed a number of folks at the Greenville Presbyterian

Theological Seminary, including the pastor, I mean the president, Joey Paipa, has been on this program

several times and has written a really wonderful endorsement for the show.

So tell us about how and where you came to encounter this

Korean cult, and tell us about the cult itself.

Yes, I encountered this group in the summer.

Incredibly long name.

But the interesting thing at the time was...

Well, how about other things that are pillars of the faith, like the Trinity, the

virgin birth of Christ, sinlessness of Christ,

the atoning death of Christ, His burial and resurrection bodily, and those

kinds of things.

Those things were not discussed as in detail because the main focus...

Okay, so tell us about how things progressed

when you went from being very comfortable, it seems,

to a point where obviously there were alarm bells going off in your head that something was not quite right.

The first

thing,

when

we would

have

our

studies, it would often feel more like a worship service.

They were very aggressive.

Everybody had to...

Well, the truth is they saw it, you mean.

Well,

but a

lot of

it was their

interpretation

of what they had

learned.

And is this all being conducted in English?

Yes, it was either in English by the speaker or being translated by...

One teaching that

what he

had

done.

There was a lot

of pressure

to

convert.

And what was the percentage of Asian to non -Asian in the group?

In the large...

So continue on about the things that were troubling you, the views of John the Baptist

losing his salvation and so on.

Yes.

Another thing that would...

Father's love...

So did they believe in sinless perfectionism or something?

That's

a good

question.

Well, if

you

don't know

that,

that was the way that they kind of kept me going.

I had monoliths.

I was exhausted.

Now, did they know of your background in the Presbyterian Church in America?

And I was just curious if they ever brought up Reformed theology in a negative light in your presence.

Yeah, that's a big denomination in Korea.

Yes, it is.

We heard that before.

Exactly.

Now, did they say that as a matter of salvation?

Yes.

They believed that fleeing to the mountains was leaving your church.

Going with their group, moving in their way.

They introduced me to...

It was a church I had heard of, you know.

Now, you mentioned earlier that at least at some point during these

sessions that it felt like a worship service.

What other elements were present in these meetings, other than teaching and questioning

the audience or the congregation?

Were there hymns or any kind of singing?

And were the ordinances practiced and that kind of thing?

They would have...

Ever did, to have the Lord's Supper or anything like that?

Or baptize people?

I never got far enough into their group.

For

some

reason,

I

don't

recall

hearing

anything

about

the leader in

South Korea.

Or anything connected to COVID -19.

What was or what were the circumstances that made...

Was it the government that was suspicious of them?

Or who was suspicious of them?

That

church

had

not...

So they were basically being suspected of being a primary source of the spread of

COVID -19?

That is correct.

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Returning to where we left off before the break what was

the, as the old saying goes the straw that broke the camel's back.

When you finally had to part company with this group and how did you do

that as far as communication with the leaders or if

you just left without saying anything.

Etc.

It kind of happened in two stages

the first statement

I don't know what I'm

situation

and very

upset.

Now

was

she

referring

to.

The omnipresence of Christ.

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How did she mean it?

Yes,

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And

because

I

knew

it was Jeremiah too

he

talked

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guys

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this point in your life having been really it seems

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Yeah,

that's

when I

came

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You were

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That's a hard question.

I think I was but I think I was also in a very.

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Also folks if you are not a member of a local bible believing church

and you are not even prayerfully looking for one you are living in disobedience to God.

I know that there are all kinds of reasons why people aren't a member of

a local church or not attending a church.

That.

Have very sad stories behind them people who have been deeply hurt at churches

who knows maybe even physically harmed or molested.

All kinds of reasons why people would be fearful or apprehensive about

ever joining a church again perhaps even visiting one.

But no matter what the cause is no reason is good enough to disobey God.

I just want to let you know that I am not being glib or viewing your circumstance in a trite manner

but you got to really know that you have to obey God by being under the authority of

local elders in a church.

So if you need help finding a church.

I have lists of biblically faithful congregations all over the world and I have already helped quite a number of

people find churches all over the world where people in my

audience have joined them or visited them on vacation or referred them to others who are in need

of churches in those areas.

So if you need help finding a church such as Covenant Church in Houston,

Texas if you live near there or are going to be vacationing there or have family, friends, and loved ones near there

send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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That's also the email address where you can send in a question for Jonathan

Schofield about his experience with this cult.

If you would like to join us send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com and put I need a church in the subject line.

And.

We have in fact your pastor has submitted a question

Lou Vega pastor of the church I just mentioned, Covenant Church

in Houston, Texas and his question is please ask Mr. Schofield how his upbringing

in a Christian home and participation in a Christian church helped him avoid the calamity

of apostasy.

Excellent question.

Because even though you were not certain or you still are not certain if you were truly regenerated at the

time you did learn things that remained within your mind, you even

sensed that things were off that things were not quite orthodox in some

of the teachings and practices but if you could continue.

Yes I think

Shin Home and

tended

churches

were

the

credit.

Well thank you Pastor Vega and by the way I would love to arrange another interview with you

in the near future if you're free so let's talk sometime soon because I'd love to have you

back on the program.

We have B .B. in Cumberland.

Cumberland.

County, Pennsylvania.

And B .B.

Asks did you feel at any point while attending this cult that you

might be willing to abandon the doctrines of sovereign grace or anything else that

remained in your mind having had the benefit of an upbringing in reformed churches.

To a point towards the end,

was that a point where I knew that something was up

and I

had

been taken.

Well thank you B .B.

We have Christian in Suffolk County, Long Island,

New York and Christian says do you have any speculation

about how specifically your life may have been harmed if you remained with this group.

Yes like I mentioned I would

have had to leave my

church

Ronald.

Also in Suffolk County and eastern Suffolk County.

Long Island, New York.

Ronald says did you ever do any further research after leaving the group

to find out more about what they believed.

Have you ever discovered whether or not they did believe in some of the essentials of the faith

like salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone the trinity

and other pillars of the faith.

Yes after

actually

when

I followed

the

internet

about his

whiteboard

and the

photo and I

started reading about part of it.

Interpreter of scripture.

Let's see here we have we have John and Bangor,

Maine.

And John and Bangor, Maine.

John has to say or has to ask.

I should say.

What is your primary advice to people.

To make them more aware of people representing different so called Christian

groups as to whether or not they are counterfeit.

Obviously I should have been looking out for anything

during the group.

I was very naive.

Bobby

in

Hartsdale,

New

York.

Who wants to know.

Have you learned anything about the numeric spread of this group how many countries

they are in etc.

This group has been.

Prolific.

I have a question of my own when you were

attending these meetings or services did they ever make any appeal

or references.

To.

Well known Christian figures of history who are actually truly Christian whether

they were reformed or not.

For instance did they ever mention John Wesley or Jonathan Edwards or

anyone of renown to try to glean any truth

from them.

Or to perhaps.

Falsely.

Identify with this figure as somebody who allegedly really represents what they believe or anything like that.

They never did anything like that actually one of their.

In fact I can even reflect on my own personal.

Journey.

Before especially before I was saved and thankfully I was saved in

a reformed Baptist church but I can remember during my period of

searching there was something very appealing

about groups.

That.

Would say we don't go by the teachings of men we

don't have any man made creeds or confessions we

don't attribute anything that we believe to any mere mortal human

everything that we believe is directly from the Bible we only use the Bible etc.

There's something appealing about that because you're saying to yourself at this time of

searching.

That.

You see how all these other churches or many of them that you're aware of have gone so far astray

like the Roman Catholic Church and mainline Protestantism and cults.

But there is quite a bit

of sinful pride and arrogance in that view because what you are saying is

they may never say this in these words or admit to this but what they are in actuality saying

is that I am the most or we are the most brilliant Bible

scholars and exegetes that have ever lived because we are able to draw the

truth from scripture that nobody else before us had the ability to do.

No matter how many centuries of Christendom have existed before us until us

nobody has really gotten the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

So I think that's something even from your own testimony that

should alert people to that fact of a danger in somebody

that on the surface is saying something that may be very appealing because even we who are Protestants we

love the watchword of the Reformation sola scriptura.

But they, these false groups twist that and mutate

it and turn it into something that it was never intended to be.

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We are now back with the final segment of our interview with Jonathan Schofield, a professional

musician and member of Covenant Church in Houston, Texas.

And we are discussing his brush with a Korean cult, a close call with disaster.

And we have an email from a very faithful

listener, the Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio audience, Linda from Hilltop Lakes,

Texas.

And she says, this is as always a very interesting interview.

Did the Korean cult ever try to spy on visits with the interested party's

family, or tell the person that they needed to break free from the family?

Thank you, and God richly bless Iron Sharpen's Iron.

Yes, that's

right.

It does happen.

Not

that

they tell

you, I guess.

That seems to be one of the hallmark of the cults when they do things like that.

In fact, here's another question that relates to one of those hallmarks.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York, who wants to know, did the

cult seek to follow you after you left them and harass you in any way,

either through phone calls, emails, letters, visits unannounced,.

Etc.?

Thankfully, this didn't happen.

Let's see.

We have Christopher.

In.

Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.

And Christopher wants to know, sorry if I missed this part, if you already said it, but I was

wondering if you were in contact with your own elders at this time when the cult was

trying to seduce you into their group, and did you have any back and forth with your own

elders reporting back to them descriptions of who they were and what they were doing?

Great.

Just out of curiosity, there are some cults that utilize something that's been

nicknamed missionary dating.

They'll actually send attractive girls out into the midst

of the college campus or wherever it may be, and the girl will strike

up a conversation and perhaps even flirt a little bit, and that is a

lure for the unexpecting victim to follow her into the cult.

And I'm assuming that possibly male members of cults

do this with girls outside of their group as well.

Do you have any knowledge as to whether or not this Korean girl who first

approached you might have been being used in that way?

I don't want you to slander her if this is something that you're not aware of, but I was just curious.

I really don't know.

I want you

to have about.

Five minutes now, maybe a little less because we're running out of time, maybe four minutes, just to summarize

what you want most etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today regarding this close call that you.

Have.

Yes, we talked at the beginning of this interview

about...

I think it's really important...

You know, one of the things that I've noticed over years since

the mid -1980s when I got saved is that there really are

no.

Cults.

That I'm aware of.

That.

Believe in the historic.

Creed.

Specifically of the Reformed faith.

When I say creeds, I'm including in that confessions like the

Westminster Confession and the London Baptist Confession, three forms of

unity.

The cults typically seem to have a strong Arminian bent to them, although

they would never or rarely identify as Arminian.

And I think it's obviously a good idea when being approached

by a religious group identifying itself as Christian, to see how they square

with those confessions.

Now, obviously, there are horrible churches that claim to adhere to those confessions

and there are churches where the leaders behave like dictators

or cult leaders, but.

In the long run,.

Though, I believe the vast majority of churches that are confessional,

they at the very least tend not to be aberrant when it comes to

theology, doctrine, and practice.

Would you agree with that?

Yes, absolutely.

Alright, well, I want to make.

Sure that our listeners have all the information they need to know about Covenant Church

in Houston, Texas, which is a member of the PCA, Presbyterian Church in America.

The website.

Is.

Covenantpca .org covenantpca .org and you can also call them

at area code 281 870 0349

281 870 0349 and I hope that if you

live in the Houston area or are visiting there, that you

make sure that you pay a visit to Covenant Church, especially if you don't have a

church home of your own, if you live in Houston.

Well, I want to thank you for being such an insightful guest today, Jonathan,

and I also want to remind our listeners that our guest tomorrow

is an Orthodox Presbyterian brother named Dick Guido and Dick is going

to be speaking about issues involving Christianity and

politics.

We hope that you join us for what should be a fascinating discussion.

And then on Thursday we have Rosaria Butterfield returning to the program.

Rosaria was a tenured professor at Syracuse University and she

is or should I say was a self -identified left -wing

Marxist lesbian and the Lord delivered her from all of that and she is now very happily

married to a Presbyterian pastor and spreading the Gospel

and warning about the dangerous and damning evils of homosexuality.

So,.

I hope that you tune in on Thursday when we speak about her book, The Gospel Comes With A

House Key.

And thank all of you who wrote in questions today and I hope you all always remember for

the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.