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Hey friends, I'm doing good. I'll actually like doing these. These are fun. Oh.
You know what I love about this is I think the every episode we've done and to my left is pastor. So how you doing? Hi, I really like doing. These are fun. But no, that's a great. One of us hated it. We're like, I hate doing this.
I wish I wasn't honestly really wish I was home right now.
I'm here though. I mean, I don't have to do any hard work. Y 'all were talking about like three K's and four K's and all that before we started. I'm I'm just sitting here at Nick's talking about four K's and I'm just sitting here.
I'm like Yeah, I'm talking to my friends. That's my job.
Well, we are gonna open up our conversation today with the mindset of gratitude. It's always important to try and keep your mindset a mindset of thankfulness and of gratitude towards God and that's something I've personally been working on is Whenever we know that every good thing comes from God, right?
Right, so it is important to give thanks to God for those things. And to change that change your perspective change your outlook change the way you live your life do a life of gratefulness. So what's something this week that you can be publicly thankful to God about?
Mine it's probably a little weird.
But You know, we've taught at this church a long time quit saying things like don't question the Bible. You know, only God doesn't have questions. The rest of us all have questions, right? And there's no such thing as faith without an element of doubt or want to be called faith.
You know, we know the passage Lord, I believe help my unbelief. I am thankfully God not just for Teaching me but reminding me of things he taught me long ago. Oh nice, so, you know when Jesus is John 14 26 He's about to go because you know The Gospel of John for the most part is just the last week of his life.
Like I think of like the 28 chapters like 20 of them are just that last week and chapter 14 is all about the Holy Spirit right and he says I will not leave you comfortless. I will come to you. Don't miss that by the way, and he says the counselor of the Holy Spirit The Father will send him in my name and he will teach you all things and Josiah Remind you of everything I've already taught you because you're not gonna get it the first time.
So it's not just teach you all things remind you of everything I've taught you and I got some of that this week and I'm so thankful to God because I do believe but sometimes I need help with my unbelief and he revealed that to me in kind of a odd way, but brother Jeff Has been teaching on Nehemiah and Sunday mornings and Ezra when They came back from captivity.
When the Persians took over the Babylonians and they came back started building the temple and all that stuff. Well, anyway Cyrus the great we can look him up our little history books on our laptop or our phones or whatever.
Cyrus the great we know He was the ruler of the Medo-Persian Empire. We know that he allowed the Jews who were dispersed from Nebuchadnezzar to go return and build their temple we know that it's a historical fact.
So, you know you read that you're like, all right, that's cool something that I can verify happen in history as extra biblically is in the Bible. But then I'm even more grateful when I go read Isaiah and I was reading this this morning to a church written in 700 BC 175 Years before Cyrus was king and Isaiah 44 28 through 45 3 says Cyrus this is God speaking.
Cyrus is my anointing Shepherd Shepherd and he will say of Jerusalem. It will be rebuilt and he will say of the temple. Its foundation will be laid we have Isaiah prophesying that a king of A kingdom that is yet to rise to power Will allow the rebuilding of a temple that has yet to be destroyed.
I Mean in 700 BC the temple was standing and would be for another hundred and twenty years, right? So Nebuchadnezzar 586, I know all that sounds like wishy-washy, but my point is the main point I'm making is We have in the Bible Isaiah Rightly predicting of a pagan king by name Recalling the Jews to rebuild the temple in the wall before the temple is destroyed.
I Mean that would be like here in Memphis for me to say hey President Jean of France is going to allow the pyramid downtown to be rebuilt when all the Memphians come back from Nashville I You would ask The pyramid is fine.
And what does President Jean have to do with anything that happens in the United States?
That's what happened. And then what how many hundred was it? 170 years later it happens.
God has. I am grateful that God has reminders like that in his word. That's why I said this is weird because I May have pastor in front of my name, but I'm just a dude and I have questions all the time.
When God I'm grateful for little reminders like that that Remind me of things I've always known. But they are afresh again. It's not a one-time thing when I was 12, right? They are afresh again, and that just it helps it from becoming black.
Ink on white paper. Fires you up, dude. Right fires. It really does. It fires me up. I love John 14, dude.
And it's talking about the Spirit and it says the Spirit prays on your behalf. It reminds you that that's like That's so incredible and every time I read it when I picture Jesus as he says, yeah, I'm leaving.
But I'm sending someone for you. Yeah, and I just hear the Avengers music in the background. Yeah, I feel like he's Nick Fury's like but I'm sending someone your way. So that was not the Avengers theme but yeah wrong.
Well, I mean maybe not the theme but Yeah. Maybe I'm thinking of Captain America. You're thinking of the wrong thing wrong. Well, hold on. Let's fight about this. Hold on I'm not. I might not be saying it.
But like I'm not talking about the Avengers thing I'm thinking of one of them like does you listen.
Can you comment below so we could figure out we're talking we're talking.
Infinity war when Captain America appears behind the train. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's the users theme. Yes. No, it wasn't it wasn't the thing it was the no that is the theme diggity diggity. Yeah, that's the thing, okay, you just say what was I singing you were.
I don't know what you were saying you're saying exactly. There is a recording so yeah, so it looks like I was singing it right the entire time. We will continue to prove, okay, I was just a little bit fast.
It's fine. I was a little bit fast. I didn't have the patience to do it, right? I'm sorry. Yeah, okay. Speaking of not having the patience. What are you grateful for there? Mr. Host hunter boy over there man.
What am I thankful to God for man? I'm thankful to God have I've been thinking about this for a while, but it hit me again this week um God is a very personal God. Yeah, and God is very faithful to you and It's always the most incredible things and it always for me.
It's like absolutely Wrecks me That he is faithful to you and gives an abundance even even if you're not Returning the favor. Mm-hmm. You know I'm saying yeah, I was like man. You know I had to stop and because I was getting stressed and I was getting worried about some things I said, okay, hold on deep breath.
Who's in charge? Who's got it? But now I thought man God is really blessed my life. Even when I'm trying to control things and even when I'm you know Not doing everything the way I'm supposed to be doing like I'm not the most faithful this week.
Like I'm not the most obedient this week and God is still giving in abundance. So his faithfulness and generosity in my life is Incredible and it's just something that I have to be grateful for not even just That he's so giving but that he's he does that even when I'm You know, yeah, not walking right with him.
That's awesome. Yeah. Mine is gonna be the blessing of My family. Yeah, I'll say that so for those who don't know I Have two little boys. I have a two-year-old and a he's eight months old. Yesterday actually pain and it is just such a cool and awesome Blessing to watch them grow up and to to be able to give them.
Like Edwards my oldest he's starting to very much company. He's very sharp. He's starting to comprehend a lot of things. So now like We'll pray like at nighttime before we go to bed we pray and just ask God to protect us while we sleep and good dreams all that all that good stuff and He's very attentive.
He's very much. He'll he'll grab my hand and he'll close his eyes and he'll say daddy pray It just oh man, it melts me down but at the end he'll say amen and he'll say thank you God and it's just it's it is Awesome.
I absolutely thank God every night for that and every day and he can be a handful right goodness. He may handful but he's it's really really much a blessing to see him growing up and and learning all this.
That's really cool. Very cool. That's awesome, dude, yeah, that's me out for you. I love your family. Samuel's crawling around now. So that's nothing nothing. Nothing is sacred to him anymore. You can't walk out of the room.
It's funny cuz like we'll put him in his playroom. Like we'll put him in the playroom and just leave him there and really get some coffee. Mm-hmm, and all of a sudden you hear this. That's his fat little legs.
Words like here comes and he's just happy as happy as a lark just Apologies to all headphone Andrews take worse take on ASMR. There's ever been I've a funny story about ASMR. Oh, no. I hate it. Mary. Love my wife loves it.
Are you okay for out singer right now? Oh, she doesn't care. Okay, she might I don't know. She'll tell me later. Oh, you could edit it out. Yeah, I am the king of somebody else likes it. Okay. Yeah.
So she somebody in the comment section just asked what is AMS or?
Okay, yeah. Autonomic sensory, uh, it's people whispering in a microphone. Yeah, I knew that.
It's supposed to. Like it's supposed to do something but it's okay. Got it again. Has anybody ever done that cracked head thing? Do you guys stand up? Yes, that's an ASMR effect again. I knew that it was someone in the comment.
You know what ASMR stands for. And camera guy.
We're not really. I didn't. I wanted him to look. I don't know. Hey camera guy. Hey camera guy. We know his name.
We got all the Nate. I'm sorry camera man episode. I called him Nate by mistake. You called him Nate. Yeah, well someone said get Nick and I thought someone said I think it was you. I said who's Nate.
Do we have a Nate here? I'm calling back to the first. Thank you Nate. Yeah, thanks Nate. But anyway camera man Nate, so Mary love goes to bed before me. This one night or this random person goes to bed before you sure.
Yeah, and I so I walk in to the bed like she's asleep. I'm about to go take a shower and I hear this I was like, there's someone in my house. There's someone in my room with my wife sleeping. So I'm like starting to grab for my gun I'm like who's in it come find out it's the ASMR video that they're whispering it pastor.
Literally. This is what it sounds like. Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah. That's that's what I heard that it was terrifying. I was like, what what is that noise who is in my house? Somebody breaks in imagine this somebody.
Somebody breaks into your house to teach you how to do some. You're asleep and this robber comes up sneaks up with the ski mask. And then he pulls and then he pulls out. Now that I've gotten used to them they're kind of funny especially the ones my love finds the funny ones and then she'll play them for me so.
Oh Yeah, so that was that's fantastic. Well today we're gonna be talking about something very important. I think it's especially prevalent today. And this isn't just for men is for women as well. And the reason I say that is because it's the word honor and a lot of the time that is associated With an honorable man, but keep in mind that honor of honor should go to every body.
Everybody should conduct themselves with honor. But what does that mean? Like what is honor? How do you conduct yourself with honor? How do you show honor? But I would if I get real fast add to that. Why?
Should everyone hat be shown honor? No work because when you said that that made me think of another thing. Yeah. So I I was the one that originally brought this to the table. I was listening to ask pastor John Love it for those who don't know what that is.
That is pretty cool. John Piper. He has a spot. Second favorite.
Yeah. But he'll get there. Yeah.
He has a podcast where he answers biblical questions. Not he doesn't.
If he did, you know, then he might be number one, but he doesn't chat it up, that's right. That's right. He's uh, yeah.
So anyway, so the question that was posed to him was What is? How can I honor my parents if I don't respect them? That was how the question was was posed. So I just thought that was a really interesting idea and I was like, okay.
Because I know my my version of honor is you showing someone respect you're showing them Honor and respect kind of go. Yeah, they go hand-in-hand. But then with that question is well, what if I don't respect my parents, but you're still commanded.
But you're still commanded to honor them. It's like are you commanded to respect them? And that's like yeah, right so the what they kind of came to is this what he came to is this idea of Since we are all image bearers not that we are all Children, but since we are all image bearers of God.
Just by that mere fact alone you should show honor to Everybody because everyone is an image bearer regardless of what they've done. So his his thing his example was well, what if someone's a child molester?
How do you honor someone who's a child molester? Well, you would honor them by not putting them down like a wild dog. You wouldn't take out a gun and shoot them. You would take them to trial and then let the justice system, which is based electrify them or.
Or is it euthanized? Is that the proper term? Yes. Okay capital punishment. Yeah, I got a thumbs up from. It's capital punishment, but euthanization. Yeah euthanization. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that by because I'm a youth leader and sometimes They upset me.
So that that's where all this is kind of stemming from so pastor.
Would you like to kind of keep this conversation going there? I think you hit the nail on the head first. Peter 2 17 says honor everyone. But then that's not the end of the verse love the brotherhood fear God honor the Emperor.
I Respect that is due to them. Yeah, so what value worth and respect is due to everyone. Well, the fact that every single human being on this planet is an image bearer of God. And of course, there is even an honor for creation and animals, but there is a special honor for human beings.
That's how God designed it. But then there is different levels of that honor your father and mother we can talk about that honor the Emperor. Which is incredibly interesting. Particularly with who the Emperor was when Peter was executed.
Which would be Emperor Nero. It was Nero. Okay. Also the same one as far as we can tell that executed Paul Directly and indirectly with some of them so When it comes to honor and honoring everyone as Andrew was pointing out, we got to think about what does that look like?
Well for starters if everyone is an image bearer of God. Okay. You know and yes. There is absolutely a biblical case for a capital punishment in Genesis chapter 9 for the blood and the spilling of blood.
Blood shall be spilled so on and so forth, but it's always been in equal scales. You know the point of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth that It was only an eye for an eye or two for a tooth, right?
That if someone looked at you wrong or disrespected you you're not allowed to kill them for it, right? But there is an equal scales. Which is one of the biggest atrocities of abortion is that you're desecrating an image bearer of God.
I mean, that's what's happening. That's not equal scales. There there has been no no violence that that Child has done to deserve that that's not equal scales when it says honor everyone you honor everyone as a human being when.
You know Hebrews 13 says be careful to entertain guests. It doesn't say and check to make sure they are perfect in their orthodox of the Christian. That's not what it says it says a sum has welcomed angels without even knowing it the point being.
When people enter your household household there should be a hospitality. Regardless of who that person is right when you honor everyone you treat them as an image bearer of God that they were created in the Imagi Deo.
And and that's how we honor everyone we treat them as human beings not as something less than a human being which we in World history have done a pretty terrible job of doing so we honor everyone as image bearers of God.
I've got a question and it's gonna mirror something that you taught me. That's the question. To what extent? Right, so. What I'm hearing is and so far I'm agreeing people. Being image bearers of God Intrinsically Given by God.
Yeah have the right to respect. You know. Not respect and necessarily who they've chosen to be. No. But respect as a being a living being who is designed by God, right? So and then you've got the hierarchy of that.
So a being made by God, but an image bearer of God, right? Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that. Yeah, like a doll like a wall. You see a dog. You're not gonna go kick the dog. Yeah, there's yeah.
There's no doubt that there is an extra level of honor given to human beings and the rest of God's creation. Exactly for sure Jesus makes that point by saying you are worth more than many sparrows therefore.
The question when it comes to the difference between honor and respect is comes in to what extent is that respect shown so. Somebody who has an intrinsic value as a human who has decided to Not care about others intrinsic values as a human.
So let's for example because it's the big one. Let's say Hitler. Right Hitler do I respect him? No as a person but. What like because you said about the child molester and he says how how do you show respect to him?
Well by not pulling a trigger, so I'm wondering.
What where does the line? Where's that line across the line is crossed in that? Honor is Respecting them as an image bearer of God and through that respect is also a holding to a standard that I hold all the other Image bearers of God to and when someone fails to meet that standard I'm gonna hold them and the people that they have persecuted.
I'm gonna have honor for them. That's not a negation of justice, right? That's not an engage. So the the child molester and you mentioned justice should still be done. I am honoring them and that I didn't do this.
Unfairly or unjustly or in the testimony of two to three witnesses. Yeah from the beginning it was the testimony of two to three witnesses. So a trial period if you want to think of it that way. So the point is put it capital punishment is not dishonoring so long as it's done in a fair and just way.
You're not dishonoring them. You are having equal scales. That is honor that it may end in capital punishment or in Judgment or prison or whatever. The point being is that you honored them by Not doing it of own spite or vengeance, but doing it out of justice.
So you could say respect is The Acknowledgement of their value and honor is what you do with that acknowledgement. Say that again. So, could you say that respect is the acknowledgement of so in this context Respect is the acknowledgement of their intrinsic value honor is how you what you do with that acknowledgement.
I would almost flip it.
Yeah, I would say honor you honor them as a human being. Okay, okay. But how much respect you have for them is based on. That is earned. That's based on how they have treated other people. Okay, so I definitely would.
But again the honor we're talking about now of honor. Everyone is just the baseline. You're a human being. You're not an animal, right? There are multiple layers of that in the Bible. Honor your father and mother.
Honor the Emperor. Honor your fellow. There's there's there's multiple levels of that in the scripture. The baseline one is Honor everyone referring to human beings in that in that instance, but that is not a removal of justice.
Yeah, and I think to add to your definition pastor is When you say honor your father and mother you're honoring the title as well. You're you're your father and your mother. You were giving them that there's that title.
There's that authority. They have so you honor that but not you know, your mom says take out the trash and you say no I'm not doing that. I don't care. You're not showing the honor of the of the position of mother.
I would write that's kind of where I'm kind of leaning my thought towards.
Yeah, and I would add to that Just like honor doesn't mean a lack of justice. It also doesn't mean you know, because there are some people may be listening and some people I've talked to you certainly whose parents After they are adults will try to use guilt to control them make them do certain things.
Obliging to that is not honor. That's someone using guilt to you. Honor is respect of the title in the bounds in The balance for which God created that title to be used. In the limits and the boundaries that God set there so When someone gets married, let's just that's one example for this reason a man shall leave his father mother.
What does that mean? Authority wise he was under the headship of them. Now he is no longer. He has started a new headship right in Cleveland to his wife and the two will become one flesh. So if You as a husband or as a wife Only adhere to what your parents want and not what your spouse Desires together.
You're not honoring your parents, right? You're dishonoring. You're dishonoring them. You're dishonoring your spouse. You're dishonoring the bounds that God has set right what you can call that honor all you want.
But it's honor based on what the outside standard that we already talked about. No, it's based on the honor that is set forth here. So when it says honor everyone that is not a lack of justice. You are being honoring if you're doing a justice when it says honor your parents I think exactly what brother Andrew said when it says honor your parents.
It is the the position the title That God has set there that that foundation that God has set there and you are honoring that. It's just like, you know. Unlike one news commentator who I do not care for very much I'm not gonna call a president Joe Right.
He's president Biden. Okay. Yeah, why because I'm trying to honor the position he's in regardless of how I feel and and can rightly point out the inconsistencies the Not adhering to the role given to the error after error to the lack of Component all that probably for the rest of the show but There's still an honor for the title and position that has been ordained to be so right, right.
I'm not gonna get on national TV and call the guy Joe That that's that's not. We can point out failures and flaws while still honoring the position and we get that wrong either we think that we have to blindly hear and abide and and Hold up as gospel truth everything that comes out of someone in that position's mouth.
Or we degrade the position to degrade the person in the position. That's not right either. Yeah.
So that's showing honor. Right, so to show honor is to hold in High regard or to give a steam or to respect a position or a role. But to talk about the difference between showing honor and having honor so the verb versus the noun.
Because you'll hear what's in the honorable thing to do. Good job. And I and I think that they go very much hand-in-hand Once you have thought about it and once you've Done that. So to show honor is to do everything that we just spoke about the pastor.
Could you pull up that verse? I had to bookmark earlier. You had me bookmark Proverbs 4 25 to 27. Man, can I steal the Bible? That would be ironic. Okay, where are we now. Shall not rip that part out yeah.
That has sharpie on you said for 25 to 27, yeah, so this is Proverbs chapter 4 starting in verse 25. Let your eyes look directly forward and your gaze be stretched before you. Ponder the path of your feet and then all your ways will be sure.
Do not swerve to the right or to the left turn your foot away from evil. The reason I think this verse is so great when it comes to honor is because it has a lot it Has a lot in it. So in other words, it says let your eyes look directly forward and your gaze be straight before straight straight before you.
I Will go on and on about discernment. Discernment I think is so incredibly crucial and to think about to ponder and stuff. But then it says ponder the path of your feet. Then all your ways will be sure.
When people think of strong leaders when people think of Honorable people be sure and remember to think these people they are that way because they Ponder the steps of their feet make sure you know what you're doing.
Think about what you say before you say it think about what you're gonna do before you do it. Don't be distracted looking left or right, but keep your eyes straight ahead before you. Focus on your whether that task is like an actual task.
Like I'm trying to complete something or what if my task is walking walk rightly with the Lord your God. That's my task. I need to set my eyes straight before me not looking to the right at this Temptation or left at this upset upset meant or distraction, but set your eyes straight before you ponder.
The path of your feet then all your ways will be sure do not swerve to the right or the left and turn your foot away from evil. So do not swerve to the right or to the left. What it's saying there is to walk honorably is to not Be swayed by lies or by emotion or by other people's actions.
But you put you for yourself need to ponder and discern. What is the right step to take hmm so that you can get to what you're looking at. It doesn't matter what Joe is doing and that that was the wrong one because that's kind of sounded like I was talking about him.
No, you are. Doesn't matter what Billy Bob is doing. It doesn't matter what this person is doing, right? Sometimes you have to do what is right more than what is easy or even what's difficult, but What you want to do?
I think the honorable thing.
Honor and integrity work hand-in-hand in that. Yes. Well said because honor is doing exactly what you just said. Integrity is doing it even when no one sees no one is watching and no one will know about it, right?
So integrity is doing it of your own accord. It's a self-discipline type thing. Honor is doing it. Well said on there. I think Brother Hunter once lovingly said if you're acting like an idiot, it's because you're not obeying Proverbs.
You haven't read Proverbs. You haven't studied Proverbs. So the Proverbs if if you're listening here and you have never read Proverbs. That's why people call the book of James the Proverbs of the New Testament.
Because it's very practical very practical. Steps and there's like, you know, you'll find like 20 of them in one chapter, right? It's not like Paul who belabors a point for three chapters or you know, even Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount.
It's it's like do this and this will happen. Don't do this. This will happen. That's the book of Proverbs. Love it. Yeah, and that that's the book of Proverbs trust the Lord with all your heart. Don't lean on your own understanding and all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your paths.
There you go next topic.
Yeah, you have no idea how many times I've prayed that verse over people man I. Trust in the Lord. Help them to trust in the Lord with all their heart. Don't let them lean on their own understanding. Let them acknowledge you in all their ways so that you can direct their path.
That's such a beautiful word something.
I realized in the Bible three or four years ago that just changed my whole perspective on it. The Bible from Genesis to Revelation Does not simply tell you what not to do right but it tells you what to do instead those of you who struggle with.
You know not doing this sin. That's only a very small part of the battle. Instead focus on doing righteousness. There'll be no time for your hands finding sin. Trust the Lord with all your heart. Don't lean on your own understanding.
They're always juxtaposed against each other. And all your ways acknowledge him as God not yourself, and then he will direct your path. It's there's always I don't do this, but instead do this right. Paul and Ephesians.
It's not just put away lying, but what's the next line? Instead speak the truth in love. Paul doesn't just say don't steal, but instead use what you've earned to bless others. It's always a don't do this and then do that.
And when you read the Bible like that just makes way more sense like as it was written man.
Okay, so I want to grab that what we just said. So we even we to to use my Bible curriculum if we will. Oh. We've observed it. Oh, yeah deserve the scripture. We've now interpreted it. Okay now for those who are listening How would we apply that?
To a real-world situation. My my immediate thought is an honorable man. And I think of dating like I just that was always a big thing for me was how do I show? This female honor, how do I make sure that I show her parents that I over her and honor honor them and they're in their responsibility for their daughter, so Let's let's focus on that example for a second.
How would Let's just say there's a young man listening. I don't know if there is or not, but let's say there is. How would we? Take the scripture we just read and apply that towards so this specific part of life.
Proverbs chapter 4 25 through 27 set your eyes straight before you ponder the steps you're about to take. Don't swerve to the right or left. When it comes to showing honor. Right being honorable showing honor.
So let's say in dating you have a responsibility to yourself and Now also to that other person, right right as a guy. You have a responsibility for the both of you because you are in you are responsible for that.
Something one of my favorite verses is a good name is rather to be chosen than great riches reputation over silver and gold. I've had a youth asked me before When somebody accuses me of something should I turn the other cheek?
Is it wrong for me to defend myself? No. Because a reputation is to be favored over silver and gold. It's an incredibly important. Your name has value your name is worth defending. And so that goes into it ponder your steps, man.
If you are going to do something, how is this going to affect other people's perception of her and her reputation? Sure, right. So being honorable and showing honor and dating to that other person is looking out for their best interests.
Looking out for how they are perceived. Looking out for what is what can I do to? Uplift instead of putting our essence in situations where people will say Right and then you take the duck and you carve it like this.
No I'll be in yeah, I think you know. The modern idea of dating is not found in the Bible agreed. The way that we operate it now when we say courtship when we say, you know betrothed. The way I think that we would apply that.
The way we would apply that is through this. Okay, what's the standard if I am to marry this woman? If I'm married to this guy. Let's just start with the men. Maybe one of the most difficult verses in the Bible to obey husbands.
Love your wives. Oh great. That's easy. Just as. Or worse. Husbands love your eyes. Just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her man. Okay. Do you remember? Did Jesus die for the church before after you said you were sorry.
Did Jesus die for the church before after you betrayed him. Wow. Sacrifice we said all the time here when love is. What sacrifice not a feeling if you think love is a feeling that on the days where you don't feel like you love your wife.
In your logic, you don't whereas in reality, you know, you do you just don't feel like it. Yeah. Same with God if you think that you're a Christian when you feel like you love God, well, then half the week I guess I don't love God.
Yeah, right because I don't always feel that way. You know. Sacrifice the real way is this can you substitute what you want? What you desire? For what the other person wants or desires. Because if you can't and are unwilling to do that.
You have no business continuing down the path that leads the marriage if you are unwilling to sacrifice your wants your desires. Then that's not love and you might as well cut it off now. So real application to honor here.
To honor here is all right. If that's the standard that doesn't just magically happen the day I said I do. On either side it does not work if the standard is. Love your wife just as Christ loved the church and you are unwilling to sacrifice for said person.
You are wasting both your time. Yep, and that would not be honorable. Are you honest and to what extent this is where integrity comes in?
Is there something that you could say or something that you could do when that other person is not around? That they would never ever ever find out about. Would you do that that wrong thing? Right the integrity of doing what is right when nobody's looking and it's not even.
Just when nobody's looking doing what is right when there is no possible chance of a consequence that comes from anybody. But yeah, right, right. When I can look at an action and say the only person who could ever punish me for this is God himself.
Do you do it or do you decide not to? Right, it's that honesty and it's that and that's that's where I find the root of honor is integrity in my opinion is to say that an honorable man is a man who will tell you the truth even when There is no benefit to him.
Even when there's no son. No, what's the opposite of benefit? Might the source isn't working.
Opposite of benefit. My mom's gonna comment on this video. Yes. She is saying the opposite of benefit is I get a son. No, the opposite of benefit. If you hadn't asked we could have said this is pathetic.
I know the opposite of benefit is a negative effect. A Downfall, let's just say a downfall. So no matter what you say the next five minutes. I'm gonna think of a better words.
Thank you. So I'm thinking it's hindering not even just when there's no benefit to you. But when there is a downfall for an unbenefit I.
Need to write up. What. What's the opposite of a benefit? Cost. Nate the camera guy says cost. Okay, so benefit and cost I'm thinking.
And hindrance is like stopping you from moving forward. A benefit would help you a toll a toll. It's the same thing as cost but it's not his word. It's mine.
Oh, we can't tell everybody that his real name is Nick. Are we gonna keep saying Nate Nate? All right, Nate. Bartolomew the camera. Nate you have two jobs one is to do the camera the others to look up stuff.
We're too stupid to figure it out. So could you please tell us what the Disadvantage. Wait, didn't I say no? No, I thought I might have. Let's roll back the tape. Cannot is that possible? No, I can't.
Like right now if I hold up my hand we'll say disadvantage is.
His lack of faith in me in last episode about the deep fakes I can't didn't think you have the technology.
I have the I still like episode one when he did this and you put the words in between his hands like point-taking podcast. Yeah, he's like.
Boom. No, no. No, it's not up there. Sorry.
Anyway, and now you're the word was a disadvantage.
Disadvantage. Integrity is doing anything, right? Integrity is doing what is right. Even when there is no advantage to you and there may be in fact a disadvantage to you or to other people. But it's what it's correct is honorable as honest as right.
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Awesome. Well this listener sent in this question. What would be a good defense when people say? Oh my god, and they're not using the Lord's name in vain or so. They say they're not because they're not thinking of Yahweh when they say it.
So I'll read that again. What's a good defense when people say oh my god. And they say they're not really using the Lord's name in vain because they're not thinking of Yahweh the true God when they say it.
So the first question I guess is is it? Okay, or is it not? Okay to say? Oh my god, okay I see my initial reaction is regardless of what you're thinking at what sorry I thought you were gonna say well my initial reaction is oh my God.
It's it's not so much that you're not thinking about Yahweh as much as you're still. It's it's almost the example that you're setting if you a Christian who is very. In your circles of friends, you're very a devout, you know, you're the you're the religious kid.
You're the one that does all the right things or the goody-two-shoes and you start running around going. Oh god. Like that all the time. Regardless of your your intent you're I feel that you're gonna cause the other people to go.
Oh, well, they can say I could say it if the super religious person then can say it. Then obviously I the non-religious person can say it because they don't seem to care. So I've always I've just I me personally I just shy away from ever saying anything that would imply That I'm using The Judeo-christian God's name in vain.
I Sorry to use that term, but that's there you go, dude. I mean, I totally get that to be honest, you know, I've never really sat down and chewed this question out. Because I know the exclamation Jesus Christ I've always hated that like that one.
Never never been a fan of that one because it's so very so very very very blatant. You know what I do to fix it. I Just when it was like someone says that I'm like is Lord. I just throw that in there and they're like what I'm like, yeah.
It's cool. Yeah, he is. He's awesome. So, I mean that one that one has always been very obvious to me is Okay, that is wrong. No, I'm not gonna I'm gonna put some more respect on the name of my God on right correct but saying oh my god, I have never I This personally something I've never felt cannot like I'm eat I will be if you have scripture or a point I will be easily swayed.
But it's never something personally that I've sat down and thought hmm this isn't right. Or this isn't right to say or this convicts me. Um. And I guess the reason for it currently is just because sometimes in language you will have colloquial terms or exclamations That you will use and you're not.
You're not thinking of just like man. I'm going to disrespect the name of my God Right and to me his name is not just God it is a title. But yeah that That I've never sat down and said Should I stop saying that should I and so that's why I find this a very interesting question because I'm more than willing To stop saying but I've never sat down and chewed that out.
You know, is it more than it just a colloquial term? Is it disrespectful to Jesus to say? Oh my god, I would say that I.
Would lean towards. Yeah, it's probably not something we should be saying. It okay. The do not use the Lord's name in vain. Speaking of the Commandments is of course speaking of his his name Yahweh. Of course.
We've talked about that. That's that's what that means and you know, give the glory that is due his name. Yeah is a quote from Isaiah give the glory. I think it says they do his name. I Would say though that if we're gonna say oh my god, okay, what are we saying that for?
Mmm, okay. When we say that are we actually saying, you know when I used to get frustrated I quit doing it I would say God bless right now. Am I actually asking God to bless something? Correct? No. No.
In fact what I'm really doing if I'm being honest as I'm just saying that's just not tell God to do something else. That's that's really what's happening. So I would probably lean towards. Probably shouldn't.
If we're not gonna say Jesus Christ, which I don't think we should yeah, then what is the difference between that and saying? Oh my god, I Would say that for the overwhelming majority of people we are not purposely trying to take the Lord's name in vain or anything like that.
I would probably put it in the category of not overtly. Overtly in the hearts of most people sinful. But In the category of it may not be sinful, but probably shouldn't do it. You know that category in Hebrews where it says lay aside every sin and weight that so easily ensnares us.
Well, what does that tell us that there's something that weighs you down? That's not in and of itself sinful and I'm not saying this falls directly in that category. You know, we could we could talk about avoid the appearance of evil we can do all that.
But I would just say as a general rule of thumb if I'm unsure I'm gonna err on the side of not calling on God. For Spilling my sweet tea on the Board of the car. Yeah, you know that that would be kind of how I would approach that if I'm gonna if I have any doubt I'm gonna err on the side of More honor to his name than less and that's where I would err.
But I mean as far as the bigger question behind it is is it? Okay, let's pretend let's pretend. That we all agreed that yeah, you shouldn't say that and then the person says right. But I wasn't thinking that way when I said it well, that's kind of a dangerous way to.
If we're gonna take that to its furthest thought it's kind of a dangerous way of. Well, you know Hunter you're a stupid idiot. No one loves you. Well, I wasn't thinking that when I said it, right? Well, right, but your language what comes out of your mouth.
The book of James James makes it incredibly clear words have meaning words have power they have meaning they have power. So that's like a wildfire, dude. He doesn't he doesn't mince any words when he yeah I'm always like, all right.
I know you wrote this down, but your tongue is a fire. Right now you are destroying me right now. Yeah, so I would I would kind of lean towards if you're a Christian probably not the best. I'm not gonna say, you know Hebrews 9 7.
This is not what Hebrews 9 7 says by the way. Directly says do not say oh my god, but I do think Giving the glory do his name. We probably should not be calling on that name for trivial reasons. That that would be my where I lean but you know, I have I'm guilty of it same as everyone else, right?
I have a really.
Insufferable line of questioning. Oh good plays. Advocate for the devil on this one good. Why do you want to advocate for the death? Can't we just say the other side of the coin?
They are not on the same coin. Go ahead, bro. Oh. Give him that Thunder back. Did he took it when he punched me in the face eight years ago.
What would you say about saying oh my word. What do you mean? So like instead of saying? Oh my god. There are a lot of people say oh my word. I think that would be a lot better. I think that's better.
Yeah, okay, you're not directly so here's where the Insufferable part comes in. This is where the I'm being a Karen. I'm being very annoying right now. Okay.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Yeah, that's his word not my word.
What do you mean? Oh. My word is not talking about the Bible. Yeah, so if I were to say, oh god instead of oh my god. Would it be different? No because there's only one God. There's a lot of right, but I could refer to many different.
Gods lowercase that G. Because well sure sure you could. Yes, and that's why I said overtly. That's why since it's a hard issue. I'm not gonna say saying. Oh my god is sinful.
I think it goes back to the the stumbling block thing. If it's if if you saying oh my god, or oh god about something It really just depends on. In that case, I'm not going to do that because I don't want to be a bad witness.
Sure. So I'm thinking Whether it is either one of those two versions mine or lowercase g it it can. It's all it all is going to have that. We all are the culturally we're all looking at Oh God that God when I say God, I'm you immediately think of that regardless of your Affiliation, that's what you're gonna think of.
I warned you is gonna be an insufferable line. Yeah, so I'm giving you a sufferable answer By saying just don't say it. That's that's my opinion. It's just don't say it, right? And you know, that's that's what I was trying to point put the point across man.
Is it with I could twist? You know any exclamation? Oh my goodness all good things come from God. He is goodness. Oh My word, okay, God is the word the word, you know Oh my god, and I could twist I could say it all and I would say okay What at the end of the day?
What is the name of God? Is it? I am is it Yahweh God is it Lord because in the Hebrew did they say God or did they say something else? So like that's why I was saying is the word intrinsically Wrong to take in an exclamation.
No, no, no, it's not around other people who might say this isn't exactly I think when it comes to that.
And you know, I'm probably about to bother some people but I do think there's some bottles to get over at Walgreens on sale if you need to. That's right next to the diapers. The Bible says adult Do not let unwholesome Unseemly talk come out of your mouths and filthy language we need to.
Modern curse words were not what Paul or John had in mind or James when he said that. So it is not the words and themselves that are sinful. They're just words. It's the meaning they're they're just words.
Yeah, but when it says do not let any unwholesome Filthy language come on from mouth There is a type of it's actually how Paul basis has argument for how men and women are supposed to dress in first Corinthians Instead of saying Get out of measuring rod and make sure it's this long.
And if it's this long, it's considered a skirt. And if it's this long, it's considered a kilt. It's Culturally, what is unseemly right? What is unwholesome, right? It's not that You know, I did a lesson on Cursing one time and or there was a lot of Southerners in it.
So I said cussing Remember that it's not the words in themselves. Those are just words. Don't let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth, but instead use what is beneficial for building up the individual, right?
Okay. Well that eliminates a lot. Yeah. Well do not use the Lord's name in vain. Okay. Well that eliminates a lot. Do not take every thought captive. So the whole what just slipped out is not an excuse, correct?
It's not an excuse because it says let and from the abundance of overflow of the heart. Yeah. Yeah man speaks exactly so. It's not Intrinsically in and of themselves. It's what comes of them. And that's why I would say If we're going to err on the side of caution, I would rather err on Let's speak to God not speak Pretending to speak to God, but you know, and like I said, I've been guilty of it.
That's why I quit saying all the time when I got angry. God bless. I quit doing cuz I'm like, all right I'm very clearly not really asking God to bless anything. You know, so that's that's kind of where I stand on that one.
We can probably do a whole episode on language.
Maybe like either next week or another week we do the James. Like you said, yeah, I did the cussing thing. I think it'd be kind of cussing. Cussing. Is it.
Ss. I in cuz I've got a.
Philosophy. Yeah. Yeah, I've got a I've got a lot more Advocation to do on when it comes to that. Oh, yeah, because well, I mean, okay the reason I feel like it's so important if you're going to talk about something to have to Argue both sides to get absolutely the whole thing.
Yes.
I'm very good at playing devil's advocate when it comes to lead into it since we're probably calling Karen's advocate. Huh, we call it Karen's advocate. No, no, but you can come up with a better. I will research you have until next week.
All right, I would say I think that'd be a fun one, you know, cuz one of the things I said and I would continue to say is There are things That I would call hunter that I would not call Insecure 14 year old right youth boy and because he would not take it the same way, right even though it probably isn't Unwholesome unseemly anything like that.
It is due to Do not let any hunt and wholesome talk coming off comma but instead what is beneficial for building up the individual of the time. So, I mean, I do think there's an element of that as well.
Yeah.
So to recap, yeah, yeah, let's recap to recap our episode today. Honor. Yeah honor and integrity. My dad. Used to say all the time a man is only as good as his word.
Your father is an awesome man because of that. By the way man is only as good as his word.
In other words, do you honor your word? Do you make good on your word? Do you keep your word? My uncle, you know, I would I. I messed around with my uncle a lot. He'd bring over a candy bag every week.
And he let us pick one piece of candy out of the candy bag every week and I would just pretend and he knew I Was gonna do it every week because I would always take like two or three and I would just have one behind my back and he was just like and we knew it was a joke.
But he still said every time It's important that even if I didn't know that you had that candy that you would still put it back. Because that is what integrity is if I because he said, you know, I don't keep a log of the candy I go and buy I don't know who what all I have in that bag.
You could bear and he made the point clear. You could very easily steal candy out of that bag and take more than what I said, and I would never know. But I don't expect you to. Because I know that you have integrity.
And that is doing what is right when there is no Downfall when there was no disadvantage. Nice nice, right, right and so honor and integrity I think go hand-in-hand in that and that you can be an honorable man or an honorable person.
By pondering the path set before you keeping your eyes straight I will not veer to the left. In fact that first verse says do not even look to the left or to the right. But set your eyes before you ponder the steps you take and do what is right.
Over what you feel or what anybody else is doing and I feel like to me that is what Encompasses honor and that also goes to showing honor doing what is right. Even if I don't respect my parents, I will still show them respect.
Because I know that's what is right and final recap on that in that honor. You know Peter wrote at the end of the verse honor the Emperor. Yeah. Well the Emperor end up killing Peter. Indirectly because Peter disobeyed the Emperor.
So when Peter disobeyed the Emperor did he dishonor him? No, Peter did honor the Emperor in the bounds for which the Emperor was to operate. But when it came between honoring God or honoring the Emperor or excuse me obeying the Emperor The answer was obeying God that's not dishonorable to the Emperor.
Peter still honored. Peter wrote to other Christians commanded them to honor the Emperor that would eventually have Peter put to death. When Peter disobeyed the Emperor disobeyed the council. And the Jewish Council.
And in the Acts chapter 5 it wasn't in the spirit of rebellion.
It was to obey God. We must obey God over man, right?
So the honor of do Peter didn't become dishonorable that day He was honoring them in the bounds like God created for them to operate and obeyed God rather than man. Is that a x5 25? It's x5 and we can go with 25 because I don't remember so it's x5 something.
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