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Hello, welcome to open-air theology. I am one of the hosts on here Brayden Patterson. It's a great blessing to be here with these two brothers.
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When going to turn the mic over to Tom first to introduce himself. And then we'll introduce our guests that we have here. But first of all, how great was that intro?
That was fantastic. Alright Tom, go ahead you kick us off on introductions. Hey everybody. Well start starting off as the gray goat. My name is Tom Shepherd. I'm a member of Grace Bible Church of burning which is about 20 miles north of San Antonio and We share the gospel on the streets in Fredericksburg Kerrville, Bernie, San Antonio and People join us from from different churches and stuff like that.
So Great to be here with you guys on the Lord's Day, and I'm gonna do I pass it down to you or let's go Jared. Let's go to our guests. Yes. We have a guest with us today.
Jared introduce yourself bro that guy with the the best-looking beard out of the three of us right now. That's beer ever.
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My name is Jared Randolph. I am the pastor of maestro Baptist Church in Middle, Tennessee. About 50 minutes east of Nashville. So pretty close to there. Where does the reform Baptist Church? Just trying to be faithful to the Lord's Great Commission to carry that out and to make disciples and to baptize and teach them all that he has commanded and.
Thankful to be on the show not guys. Thank you for inviting me. I'm honored to be here with you brothers and discuss theology and it's mess around. So it's it's good to be here.
Love it. And that's a new that's a somewhat of a new church plan. Is it not? Yeah this year, right?
Yes, so we're coming up on a year. So getting pretty close to a year and so we're just grateful for the Lord's faithfulness to us and looking forward to this next year.
Are you 1689? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Wonderful. Hey, it's right in.
Yeah, well, actually.
What what time is your church services on on the Lord's Day? What what time do you. Yeah, so Sunday school.
Yeah, Sunday school at 10 and then our main worship service starts at 11 and. Typically I'll preach three Sundays of the month and then my elder Phil elder David. God see he fills in one week. So that's just.
He's a big help and thankful for my brother in that regard.
Yeah, how many you just have one co-elder with yourself then? Yes, correct. Cool. So if somebody was to watch this that lives in Tennessee, what? What would you say is the reason why they should travel to come see your church and worship God with you?
Hmm.
That's a great question. I could probably give you multiple answers to that. I would say we are again committed to carrying out the Great Commission and I think that's one of the main things that we should be focused upon now,.
Obviously that gets into doctrine eventually more so in the specifics, but I would say we love to get out and we need to do more of this but get out and evangelize and tell people about the gospel and bring God's sheep in and so.
We're all called to do that and we're committed to it and I think that also we're about just loving people and I think too often times we can get wrapped up in doctrine so much to where we lose sight of that.
And so we need to have a biblical balance of love but also being committed to doctrine and if we have that then I think the Lord will bless us in the work that we're doing so. That's what I would say to people.
It's just we love people and we want them to know God and to know him know him deeper.
So good praise the Lord.
See one of yours is he a Tender of your church. I'm sorry. What was that?
Michael Chandler Keaton. Is he a member of your church? Yes. Yeah, Michael. I see that now. Yeah, Michael. He's a faithful brother. He's been I Could I could spend all night talking about our relationship, but the Lord brought us together years ago in the strangest ways and He's been there every step of the way and he's one of the most not not knowledgeable Layman that I've ever known.
I mean he's not trying to Make his head get big, but he's definitely been faithful to be there at church And just serve and if you ever need to ask a question theologically or historically, he's the guy to go to.
Yeah.
Well.
I'll introduce myself real fast. I am Brayden Patterson. I'm the pastor of Grace Bible Church in Moorpark, California. That is located in the Ventura County area. That's around Southern, California. So if you live in that area be a great blessing to see you on the Lord's Day at 1030 is when we meet together Corporately to celebrate the resurrection of Christ.
We also do a Sunday school at 9 in the morning followed by prayer at 945 and then that we pray until the church service really goes and then we also do a Second Bible study night service on Thursdays at 7 p .m.
So it'd be a great blessing to see you at either of any of those times if you live in the area or you know. Anybody that's in that area and seriously, please invite them tell them about the gospel of course and then tell them that there's a there's a local body here in Moorpark that wants to To love on them and to help them worship our triune God together.
Yeah, so we we typically run this show in On the Lord's Days and on the evening time and we recap how our Lord's Days were Jared. So Maybe let's let Jared go first and then Tom you could go on second.
How how was how was your Lord's Day today? How was it in Tennessee worshiping God together?
It was fantastic. So we. In Sunday school, we're going through Hebrews. It's actually right here. I have it. It's.
It's by.
Reform expository Bible study. I don't know if you guys have heard of that or not I think it's John Nielsen and Richard Phillips. But it's a 13 lesson study going through the whole book. And so we've been going through that.
It's been typically brother David teaches through that I had to step in today, but it was it's been fantastic. It's really Just thought-provoking and get you know. Your mind's just really engaged with the text and also the practical side of it too is there so it's been a great study and then we got into the the service the main service and It went very well.
Just a very God-centered theologically rich. Hymns and songs and praise to God and then we got into the sermon. I've been going through the gospel of John. And we're in actually in John chapter 6 right now.
So it's been It's been just really good really good food for our souls. So Actually today I was talking about the part that was where Christ says he must Feed on on my flesh and drank my blood and just talking about that just how rich that really is to us as believers.
Yeah, we had a great day it was a good day to just to be with our fellow believers and worship together and Looking forward to more of it. So.
So ours is good we had so right now this time of season is really the elders at our church take this time as people are traveling and You know Gone to be with family and stuff like that. It really is the only time they actually have a chance to Take a break as well.
And so Michael Beck has been going through the book of Romans Sporadically are actually consistently and sequentially for several years now and he's almost finished with it. We're we're basically in in Romans 16 now, so we're right at the end and.
But he took a break today for Christmas and Frank getting preached in Psalm 13 today Encouraging believers who might be suffering with depression that we shouldn't be cast down that David.
Hey, Michelle.
That David, you know look to the Lord and he said the Lord, you know, I'm trusting in the Lord. You're gonna you're gonna protect me from my enemies and in all this. It was really good. So we sing sovereign grace music or grace hymns At our church and there was no equipping classes, but normally we have equipping classes where we have a variety we have for new members.
Every new member has to go through the doctrines of grace. Once they complete the doctrines of grace Which is actually taught through The what is it the fundamentals of faith 3 John MacArthur's booklet? basically going through the the doctrine the doctrines of grace and then we have another class which is a biblical counseling class by Frank and Then Michael also he's we're in systematic systematic theology 3 I believe right now going through the You know the different doctrines right now the Doctrine of Salvation the order of salvation Limited to me, you know all the way through it.
So it was really good today. So We're gonna be back on almost full schedule next week to where we have equipping on Wednesday morning evening and In regular service as well, but it was really good.
Well, my Lord's Day I've had a it's been a busy day today. It's been a busy great day today though nonetheless Michelle. It's good to see you. It's a hey. Also, we have 25 people watching live right now if you haven't already subscribed to this YouTube channel, please do not sorry What's in my open-air theology, please subscribe to it share it with your friends.
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But yeah, my Lord's Day was was busy. It was it was great. Had Sunday school this morning at 9. I taught part 3 on a series of Gentlemen a deacon at our church at Grace Bible Church here in Moore Park has been doing a Lengthy Sunday school series on world religions, and he's been diving deep into different Religions in California.
That's something that's new to me. Is that it it is surrounded by false religions everywhere. More so than Idaho. In Idaho, you really just run into LDS for the most part. You'll run into LDS. You might run into some Catholics here there.
I mean I could count on one hand how many times I ran into Jehovah Witnesses in Idaho. It's nothing but LDS that you're always up against. However here in Idaho. There's a ton of.
California excuse me. I said Idaho again. So that that's a that's a new thing, but it was a blessing today because in that world world religion series I was able to do part 3 on Mormonism where we are just looking at the life of Joseph Smith the life of Brigham Young and then looking at the modern claims of doctrine from the LDS religion and today what was really reinforced is that You know if I gave you if you had never seen $100 bills in your life and I gave you a real hundred dollar bill and a Piece of monopoly money for $100.
If you didn't if you never been exposed to either one of those things before. You wouldn't know which one is the real hundred dollar bill, right? And so as believers we need to study the gospel the real truth.
And that should be the principle that we study first and foremost and that's what helps us identify that which is false. And so we you and I would want to take the real hundred dollar bill over the monopoly money ever any day.
Because we value what's behind that true currency right there. And so just talking today about you know, the the studying of Mormonism in these world religions. It's it's built upon the premise that we first initially Understand thoroughly the gospel and we can take that information out and and thoroughly search any any cult out there after that.
Got to listen to a great sermon by Errol Hale. The pastor here at Grace Bible Church who is now retired as of today. Today was his retiring 40 years since planting this church. It was it was a blessing.
He preached on just God's faithfulness and then later in the evening We my family and I just got home from a retirement Party, I don't know what you would call it. It was just a get-together and a celebration of the church being around for 40 years while also Celebrating the retirement of the of a man that has been used mildly by God.
So that was a great blessing to be a part of that. And so next Sunday, I'll be picking up James 1 1 this Thursday. I'll be picking up a series of and going in 1689. We're gonna be going through a series through there through the confession.
On Thursday nights and then James 1.
Well the book of James on Sundays, so it'll be a blessing. That's not it's interesting that you you brought up in the world religion. Religions, you know, we talked about you know, the the fake hundred dollar bill versus the real hundred dollar bill.
Object of our salvation matters, doesn't it? It does. Yeah getting getting Jesus, right? Has to matter. He has to be God in order to qualify to die on the cross for us and so yeah good stuff. I'm willing to help.
But the other one that we that we came on and and I want you to do it.
Because it is the sad you want Jared to do it.
That's on you guys.
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Right, so the open-air theology conference that was going to be in Tullahoma, Tullahoma, however, you want to say it Tennessee has been canceled. So there's sadly there we were gonna have some great speakers there.
We are sad that we aren't going to be able to see faces there to enjoy the fellowship with everybody. This is really something it was really disappointing. That that we had to cancel it but we did it did in and not the best way, but you know, we we are still friends and and faithful of.
The speakers that were gonna be invited and loved them and. It's just sad. We're sorry to say there's gonna be no conference.
We we. And it was a culmination of several different things that we're not gonna have time to get into today by any means but.
Low-ticket sales.
Just there's a been there was a lot of things that that came about in these last little bit. So it just made it so we had to cancel it, unfortunately, so. That being said though be seriously on the lookout because undoubtedly open-air theology will have another conference and most likely It's gonna be in Moorpark, California at Grace Bible Church one day and who knows what it'll be on so.
There is gonna be a conference in in Tyler, Texas That I get to speak at matter of fact. Brandon Scalf is going to be there. He's gonna be there. Open air theology is not Putting it on but I'm privileged to be able to speak there.
It's kind of a weird topic I've been assigned matter of fact Garth Mark Goodson is putting it on he put it on the last one in August and this is the order of salvation. My topic is this get this because you're not gonna find it anywhere in the order of salvation.
Normally you think of election predestination justification faith, you know, so on so forth that my topic is is evangelism in the order of salvation. So that's great any any ideas I'm gonna do it. So yeah, it's gonna be interesting how how it goes for so I'm excited.
Yes, so At least we have one conference out there in this look forward to the next open-air theology conference in Moorpark, California.
Yeah, most likely it'll be in the year of 2026. But you already got this me evangelist guy like come on. How beautiful are the feet of those that bring good news? Come on. So that's that's where I was.
Where do you put that. Where do you. So you could. You could definitely put it in the general call. So we. Yeah. So what happened. Isn't Jeff the pastor of the platform. So. No Jeff. Jeffrey Rice has left open-air theology.
He is no longer a part of open-air theology question. Yeah, so it open-air theology is has always been amongst the three hosts of it and so He's stepped away from from partaking in open-air theology, so good question though.
Yeah. The outward call versus the inward call that would be a good place to go with that Tom.
Definitely. Yeah, absolutely.
Yep. Yeah, so and then what? We also so today so so we updated on on canceling the conference unfortunately, yeah, and then. The we'll do that one there the The the the picture that I put up with our three ugly mugs.
Jared I hope you're okay with me saying that I know Tom. I mean, I'm used to it. Tom owns a mirror. He knows he knows what I'm getting out with this ugly mugs.
Yeah, I'm not I'm not that mean.
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Yeah, I was the one that came up with the name a couple a couple years ago, so yeah. Good question. Well, we'll probably have to address something more of that in future time, but I appreciate you random bass player.
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So another thing that was according to that thumbnail was a year-end review. So what. Because we're at the end of 2025 or 2024, excuse me coming on to the year of 2025. What is it that open-air theology has been doing in this year of 2024 Jared?
What have you been doing in this year of 2024. And let's make it short and quick because. Also the next part of this this show that we're gonna be doing is is doing a Q &A. Where we already have some pre-loaded AI generated questions, which I think are gonna be great to go over but also if you are an audience member today, please put some questions in the comments if you'd like us to try to Be able to go through some stuff with with one another.
So Jared what have you been doing in 2024? What would you say is the year-end review for you if it was a short 30-second plug-in for yourself? Yeah.
That's kind of hard I would say first of all that the Lord's been good to our church and being able to You know basically plant the church and we have we've actually had help from another church in the Hartsville.
They really kind of helped get us going and With the boss and also in different other ways as well to get us going and so we're blessed there. Basically, just trying to get the church started and going is always a hard process.
So I've been trying to really work hard in that in the ministry in that area, but also with my job I'm I'm in pest control. So I have to balance the the church Job and also family and I would say I guess here lately what I've really tried to focus on is my family more than really anything because I really felt like I Was putting so much focus and time into the ministry.
Actually school as well because I've been attending Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary. I'm actually taking a pause on that right now and part of that is just realizing man I need to really focus more on my family.
And so and that's that's one thing that I would advise and just tell other pastors and preachers is to take a step back. Examine where you're at and really focus on your family because if you If you're outstanding in the ministry and all the other areas, but you neglect your family then you're failing as a man as a man of God and so.
That's what I would say this in review if I could have Done better. I would have definitely focused more on my family and just investing in them. And so hopefully this next year Lord willing I'll be able to continue doing what I am right now.
That's awesome. That's that that's good. Those are some good points there. On that note, so this last year my partner Most of all in evangelism in it and of course we do three do evangelism through the local church but my partner who goes out with me every weekend is my wife and She's she supports me whether she's handing out tracts or Brayden has come out visited with me.
And we went out to one of the games, you know, usually typically locally. We live in the hill country. So it's kind of spread out and so when we go to Bernie that's literally five minutes away from our church and stuff like that, and then there's a.
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Town of Fredericksburg and we go out there, but it's a touristy town. So we actually still meet a lot of the people from Bernie in Fredericksburg. But it's a good 40 minutes away, but people are touring and stuff like that.
So She's been so faithful with me, you know, there's there's times when Evangelism can be discouraging when you especially when you go out on the streets and you're you're proclaiming the gospel to people, you know they aren't listening to you, but God always Brings fruit at the right time to encourage you and to encourage your heart.
And then we also know that even if none is is our is our ministry name and It's based off the book by Ryan Dittmer. And you know We know that God is glorified in the proclamation of the gospel whether people come or not come God's Word is not going to turn up void.
So I'm so so grateful for my wife to come out with me and she encourages me. So we're gonna do more of that. We're gonna continue to go out work. We're gonna be going on. It'll be year five in 2025 so Please pray for us when we go up.
My wife has said your wife is such a blessing Tom. Yes blessing. Such a blessing. Year-end review for myself. I mean as far as open-air theology goes it we had a great conference in February. Have been trying to get on as often as we possibly can once a week.
And so it's it's been a real blessing there's been a lot of really good fruit that I think we've seen through open-air theology and so it's a blessing to be a part of the show and to Have a lot of laughs a lot of Real theologically rich tears shed and study and just just to be a part of this is great.
And so we're I'm thankful to the all the audience that's able to watch but for myself and our family I mean, obviously, I think the biggest thing is We're we're in California. Now. We're doing full-time ministry now here in California at Grace Bible Church here more work and No longer a firefighter like that's freaking nuts to even think about.
I would have never guessed that at the beginning January 2024 and so we're just so thankful for God's providence really excited to preach him crucified and just to lift our mighty God's name upon high here in this area and man like talking to you guys about evangelism.
Like we went out this last week doing caroling on Sunday. There's been Over and over and over again. That's it's been really cool because one of the biggest changes is in Idaho where we were living was in a town of 900 people I've knocked on everybody's doors at least three times and that was all done like in a week.
Let's be honest. And so now being in California in a town about 37 ,000 plus people I can go just to the coffee shop and I get to talk to a whole bunch of people about price and. So just this week, I mean I could ask like man there there's been genuine Great conversations about the gospel that have been taking place Here and even this last week it since we've moved here.
It has been taking place. So we're we're ecstatic about that. I mean, I'm super excited just to talk about Christ pray with people. Tell them to look to Jesus and invite them to church in the process.
So that's my that's my quick short.
Yeah, so quick though. I did notice that you did some studying on the beach this past weekend. However. You were dressed in a sweater. I look good boots.
I bring I bring style to California. Okay. Yeah.
But I did say on the post. Thank you very much for being fully clothed and not wearing a speedo and I.
Got some photos to send to you.
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Now we so we've done our year-end review we got to get into. Yeah, great weather is it is fantastic here, let's just. I mean I I'm riding a motorcycle. Listen guys. I'm riding my motorcycle around in December.
There's ice and snow where I used to be and I had to winterize my bike every year. I can ride my bike year-round and so I'm pretty ecstatic about that. We're gonna do our our Q &A right now.
I got to introduce Aaron Dufresne because he's my bro out there. Last year now you are actually what. 15 is my bro.
Okay, so how many times have you talked to Aaron this week.
All I'm saying is I don't want to see any pictures of either one of you and speedos together. Don't do it. I mean look at this guy. I wish I could post his mug.
So, yeah, let's do let's do some some AI generated questions and if the audience if you guys have any questions on here, please Send them in. We want to we want to discuss whatever questions you might have on here on the show.
So, okay. So hold on. Let me get to the page here. So these are AI generated questions. We asked AI to give us some questions from podcast show. Yeah. Hold on a second. So This all pretty much has to do.
With.
Faithfulness and ministry. Now if you guys have questions you guys ask them to and chime in if you guys, you know. We're probably all gonna have different questions and I want to say Go backwards. Jared has some favorite ones.
So this is question number 17. Was this. What are the marks of an unfaithful ministry and how can how can a church recognize and avoid? such leadership. So faithfulness in ministry. Michelle we're talking about faithfulness and ministry and first question AI came up with us is this.
What are the marks of an unfaithful ministry and how can the church? Recognize this and avoid the leadership.
Who wants to go first on that? I can I can tackle that first, I guess so I would say One mark would be the unwillingness to Be to be held accountable so You say this a lot like in some churches who just have like a single Pastor like that that single pastor model and I think you can go that route.
It's just the downfall to it is you don't have the your other co-elders Around you to help hold you, you know responsible and so you can just go out and do your own thing lead the people the way you want to and you're not just Held that that standard you should be held to so I would say just Avoiding that not not wanting to submit yourself to the other elders around you.
Now it's not that you know, one elder has more power than the other it's just that as As elders as pastors we have to be willing to Have our brother beside us to hold us, you know accountable and I have found The more that I do that.
Yeah, it can't be uncomfortable at times, but it's for my good. And it's to sanctify me and to make me a better preacher or pastor and so That's one big one. I would say also Not not being willing to listen to your people Is a big the congregation itself.
Yes the congregation. It's not that we You know, we're trying to please people in the sense of we're you know, always listening to them to Get advice on you know, how we should preach or how we should you know cover this text or whatever I think it comes down to.
Sometimes our people we have to listen to our sheep sometimes because they might be saying hey. You know, we're seeing this we're hearing this but we need help here in this area. Can you help us? And so we have to be willing to Listen to our people in those areas so we can't help them because if we just totally shut them out.
Are we truly being the shepherds that were called to be, you know?
Yeah, it's interesting on that Braden and I were talking matter of fact yesterday. You know about him Being a the under shepherd of a new church, and I can't remember who had said it and I remember Braden had said that he quotes this quote all the time.
He said but the the shepherd should smell like the sheep, you know, and that there should be interaction. You should you should be like you're in the sheep in the sheep pen with the sheep. Fellowshiping with them getting to know them understanding their struggles.
Let them understand your struggles. You know things like that, too, but I also like that that you said about holding each other accountable as Elders having godly men around you, but I would also say that that means not always finding.
Yes men. Yeah, and I see that I see that so much you're just where we're. Especially building a small church where you will see a pastor. Pick and choose when you look at deacons in the scripture in Romans chapter 6.
It doesn't say that the elders went out and picked deacons and then went to the congregation for affirmation. It said choose faithful men among you and bring them before the eldership and then let the elders Choose it.
So it wasn't that the elders were choosing the deacons. It was the people were choosing faithful men that they fought and they presented it to the elders. And I think that's important, too I think that guards against any any any leadership.
Trying to build a people around him that are just gonna be yes men and agree with everything they say.
Yeah, that's true. I totally agree. Yeah.
Yeah, I think I think something that Jared said there, you know with hearing hearing the sheep. You know as as an under shepherd as One that is called to pastoral ministry. You should be you should be smelling like sheep.
You should have the appearance of a shepherd and I'm sorry. But we are not as as under shepherds. We are not omniscient like our mighty shepherd is and so you and I we don't have the privilege Of knowing where sheep are immediately, right?
We we can't search the hearts of the hoes that we are shepherding like our mighty shepherd. Jesus Christ can and does all the time in the New Testament. And so part of being a shepherd is being able to hear the boss, right?
Bah.
Down the down down down the ravine and knowing where they're at knowing how to shepherd them up to the fold. And so I Think that that that is truly an importance is. Shepherding is more than just preaching.
Shepherding includes preaching. Don't let me don't think. I'm saying that preaching is not a key aspect of shepherding. But there is so many more facets to shepherding than just Preaching. And one of those things I agree with you Jared is being able to hear where you where your sheep are.
Being able to recognize things being able to hold them accountable to Things being able to guide them back to Christ. The shepherd that knows all things. I think those those are vital important marks of pastoral ministry per se.
Real quick Michelle before we go on to another one. You said you have a question. Not sure if it's related. Ask away. That's what we're here for. Yeah, what it is. So we we have no idea. This is almost like AI asking.
But I would I would say that there's there's several marks of an unhealthy church on a healthy pastoral ministry. There's several marks. I think somebody so David David here said that the pastor straying away from Scripture.
Yeah, that that's that's a huge mark if if a shepherd isn't resting his head and Planting his shepherd staff upon God's Word. What is he doing? He's he's going to the world for those things and that that's dangerous ground for any shepherd.
I think that is that's important. I think a pastor that's seeking his own glory Seeking a platform himself seeking for others to hear him rather than to Echo the words of Christ. I think that that is Danger ground right there.
I think a pastor that has his money or his eye set on money and greed That's a mark right there. If a pastor has his eyes set, you know on the honeys on the ladies That's not good right there. There's there's several marks of an Unhealthy pastoral ministry as well as an unhealthy but bad marks for a church as well.
By the by the way David is my fellow elder.
That's fantastic. Yeah. Okay. Well David I got one for you guys. Here's the next question. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Let's see here Michelle. Okay, this she always asks good questions, so this is probably gonna stump us all here we go.
I just wanted to ask about what scripture means by the weaker brother. I think I'm confused with unsaved brothers. Think I'm confusing so the weaker so we're talking about conscious conscience issues there where there there may be gray areas in the scriptures where it's talking about if.
Brother, let's say, you know a brother is you know used to not it was a it was a sin for him. You look at the Judaizers or the Jews back in the day. They wouldn't eat certain things. There were people who were free in Christ who knew that they could go ahead and eat bacon.
But for the sake of the weaker brother who was brought up in that Brought up not eating on not eating pork. You you wouldn't want to bind their conscience eat eat Eat eat pork in front of that person.
So they're weaker in the sense of not understanding the freedom that they have in Christ. That would be my answer.
Yeah, we wouldn't we would say that they're still saved. Yeah not unsaved People but they're like you said, I think perfectly they just when it comes to their conscience. They're they're weaker and They haven't come to that point or progress the point of being able to understand.
Hey, it's okay that we do this and so in those cases we have to be sensitive right to our weaker brothers or sisters and Help them progress in their understanding of the scripture because in their mind it's sin.
Too.
But how would you counsel that Braden? How would you?
Would you?
It wouldn't be wise to let a weaker brother remain weak for a long period right.
Where I'm going with this is this this issue in the first century church is not one that maybe is as Prevalent as what we would see today, and and I think what we would see is more obscure examples of this.
So in the first century, it's talking specifically about sacrifices and these meals that they're eating. But today we we don't see that in that exact same example. So, let me let me try to give you an example of this.
You have Braden Patterson a new let's say years ago. He's a new convert to Christianity. He doesn't he doesn't know that there's nothing in God's Word that says you can't drink coffee. Right because I was raised LDS and I was thinking I can't drink coffee coffees bad.
It's a it's an addictive Drug that will keep you out of heaven, right? Like that's what my view was for when I was LDS. It was against the words of wisdom. And so maybe right when I was first saved in the first month there.
It probably would have been Inappropriate for any Christian to be coming around me and drinking coffee and saying you need to drink this you need to drink this even. Though my mind's like I don't think I should that's a I can't get there quite yet.
However. To let me then develop a theology saying that no Christian should drink coffee would also not be wise to so. That's that's what I think is going on in that text you shouldn't let a weaker brother remain weak, but you should acknowledge where a brother is in Christ and Not not stumble him in that process not force him to do something that he's not ready yet to do.
And so that's where it's hard Contextually because you and I don't go to the market anymore really and buy meat that was sacrificed idols. We don't we don't run into that like they were in the first century.
And so that that's a very obscure case in those two. It's found in Romans 14 and 1st Corinthians 8 and so that's what's going on with what the weaker brother is in that text.
Yeah, that's the just to say something real quick. That's the that's the hard work of the preacher though is to Understand its initial application and then bring that over to today's world and apply it to our here's.
That's the hard work of preaching I think is being able to do that and We need to do a better job. I think of being able to do that. So yes.
There's not a pastor and you guys are pastors of churches. Would would that counsel that you were suggesting Braden not leaving that weaker brother? In that to develop this theology. Should that come from anybody in the church or should that come from an elder in the church?
Yeah, in one sense, I would argue that it I Guess maybe it depends on what it is because we're all to be discipling one another and so in one sense if if a member See something and here's something in somebody's house.
Maybe maybe you can form that that but Typically, it's best to let elders or inform elders of this and maybe they can navigate those conversations. It really it discipleship is is I think a huge key. Yeah, this is why discipleship is important.
And so I think it falls down on discipleship which I think falls underneath the the broader context of the local church, which is being overseen by elders and pastors and so. It really depends on the level of something if somebody is.
The coffee example, for example, if there was a Christian brother, that wasn't a pastor I think he could slowly walk me to that but maybe let's say Alcohol, maybe I'm I'm I'm saying alcohol is of the devil.
It's not right I'm building a theology off of that. Maybe let your elder Handle that maybe a little bit more sensitive severe position. So, I don't know. What would you say Jared to that?
Yeah, something similar to that. I would say there are some issues that the pastor probably should handle. But I think if we're doing our job and we're being a model for our people They should be able to take care of a lot of those issues themselves.
Yeah, especially with the man in his in his family. The man being the leader of his family should be able to counsel and disciple his family in that way and help with any questions they have. But they're gonna be some things that come up where they had.
He has to even go to the the pastor the elder and say Hey, I've tried my best to help my family with the situation. What would you say? You know?
That's a good point I think. I think that when you you know. Because you have a variety of sheep and in different stages of their walk. And it really is a matter of how you're handling the scriptures.
Are you handling the scriptures accurately and then not only that. I think that there's ways sometimes that we can. Be truthful in the wrong way, you know. I mean if I'm going out and doing evangelism and some unbeliever just lost their unbelieving mother I mean I can say a truthful statement.
You're gonna go to hell just like her. Well, that's I. Yeah, it's true. But that's really not the the way to do it. So there's there's way to be there's a way to be a right the wrong way. And so sometimes I think that something should be left up to the pastors in that.
That's what I said.
All right. Let's see ready for another question. Yeah, excellent. And there are excellent question Michelle. Thank you.
Yeah, I love that. That was a great question at the weekend brother. Very good.
If there's any more questions, you guys have just just throw them out. Otherwise, we're going to AI. You know what? Okay, AI the next question number 13. It says should ministers aim for faithfulness Even at the expense of unity within the church, why or why not?
Let me read it again. The ministers aim for faithfulness even at the expense unity Within the church why or why not? So I would say I if if a if I wish I could ask re clarify the question to AI.
That's what I was thinking.
Ministers are aiming for faithfulness. So if faithfulness is a synonym for truth Unity must be rooted in truth. Yes. Yeah, so AI you're stupid.
Yeah, yeah, you're stupid. However, if the questions getting at. So let me give you another example if the questions getting at is faithfulness. Which one do you go for faithfulness or unity and that it's on a topic that's like tertiary or quaternary in its nature.
Something that's not essential. I'm probably gonna lean on unity than rather than trying to force my obscure theological position, so Let's just say I just say this isn't the case but think about how many Young restless and reformed guys are having the beard right now.
Going on Jared. You see what I'm saying? Let's let's just say Jared says, you know, I really think men should wear or have beards.
Probably wouldn't. And like let's say you're just convicted that that's how you demonstrate your manhood. That's it's so quaternary. Like you're like, yeah, this is this is how men are men. That's probably not something to to hold on faithfulness over unity of a church and split.
But I Spurgeon though.
What. Here's the example. Here's the good example. Matter of fact. I even heard Doug Wilson talking about this one. So Doug Wilson was talking about, you know, he believes. That it is right and difficult to only serve wine in.
Communion.
But at the same. It was Doug Wilson a long time. Oh, okay. Sorry elements. Am I not making sense? Let me talk more clear. On the elements he thought was right and biblical to only serve wine with as a sacrament.
But He thought it would have been dangerous to introduce that to the church. Because there were people in the church, even though he felt that it was right and biblical to do so. He chose not to just bring it with a hammer and break up the unity of the church.
Yeah, there comes honestly discernment right in each particular situation that every Situation is not the same right? I mean depending on the church you're you're at, you know, you might be at a church that.
You've been called to a pastor and they're all. Or most of them are not reformed. Well, you probably can't just come in and start preaching Calvinism On day one and expect a good outcome there there there comes wisdom with that and I think You can I mean I could come in and I could preach it.
I could preach the text and let the text speak and not use. Maybe these trigger words that so many people are used to like Calvinism or whatever. It is that makes people upset. But just preach the Word of God and be faithful to God in that and let him by his spirit take the word and Do his work.
So but again though it goes back to knowing right those tertiary issues that we shouldn't be just so dogmatic about. Too many times we are and that's what results in too many splits and arguments and things of that nature I think that we need to be dogmatic on the things that really really matter and that are really clear in Scripture.
Your gospel those got those kinds of issues. Yes, but then when it comes to beards and things like that, we need to show more discernment. So yeah.
Yeah, my wife's version said piece of possible truth at all costs. I believe that was Luther. Luther. Yeah, yes, but so yeah, I.
Virgin because she's smarter than you. I know it. She's definitely smarter.
Calvinism because we were at a church. We were at a church that that actually was very light on it and You know when I don't know that I would yeah I mean, yes, you need to use it. You wouldn't want to go in with a hammer.
But at the same time when you do come across the scriptures, for example, we went through the gospel John and you're gonna hit it. I mean, you're just gonna hit the doctrines of grace. But when those things come up, I think you need to go hard.
I I think you do and I think and the reason why I Think that is because the doctrines of grace just magnify who God is and if we have a low view of God We're in you know, so but yeah, that's that's just my two cents.
No, no, I but I see what both you guys are saying, but I think you're both are right on that so like for example at the last church I was at it was. It was a church that was probably divided in its sense of covenant theology or Dispensationalism and those views on that and so part of the strategy of shepherding people is trying to show people truth so covenant theology aka 1689 federalism, let's just be up front right there 1689 Baptist stuff, right?
And so part of that is to let the text convict people and showing people like you don't have to come out and say covenant Theology and and and throw dispensationalism right under the bus that might come in due time.
But I do think that you go hard when the text shows it. Yeah, but you don't have to come out and just straight-up say Dispensationalism was created in the 1800s by John Nelson Darby popularized by Spofield Bible.
And you see what I'm saying? So honestly this this coming Sunday I'm gonna be in in James chapter 1 verse 1 and it's nice now being a Reformed Baptist Church's that's have that have this position for many many years now as a reformed Baptist Church in that text it James doesn't appeal to.
And I'll try to be quick in this without giving you a whole sermon James doesn't appeal to his his Relationship with Jesus being his brother. He says I am as James the servant a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
So he doesn't appeal to a family Relationship, but then he writes to the twelve tribes in the dispersion greetings. And so some modern commentaries would say that that's speaking of ethnic Jews. It's not speaking to the church is speaking of ethnic Jews because he says twelve tribes of of the dispersion.
I don't believe he's talking to ethnic Jews. I think he's building off of the theology of True Israel that we've seen in other books that would have been the common view in the church in that time. And he even calls them my brothers later on and then in chapter 2 verse 2 He says the assembly and so this is this is talking.
I think it the church true Israel of God and.
What's that. What year was James written. Wasn't that one of the first.
It was so 45 to 48 beasts or a CD not BC ad and so the point in that though is is James wouldn't appeal to a ethnic relationship after just showing his ultimate relationship in Christ and then not only this but The twelve tribes of the dispersion took place in 600 BC.
There was no twelve tribes for James to be writing this book to at the time of him writing in 45 to 48 BC and so what James is doing is he's pointing to a previous event Speaking about the persecution that the church is currently in and how the gospel is going out into the world.
And so that principle is there. I'm probably not gonna just straight-up say Dispensationalism is redundant and redonkulous on Sunday, right? It's gonna be demonstrating this is what James is trying to get at with this and it's something that is present in the other gospel Accounts and there's a continuity between all people that have had faith in God throughout all the years of creation and that is the people of God the called-out ones the Israel of God and that's just a principle James is building off of.
Good good stuff. Okay question number nine. Anymore, you don't want to go on that one. I Like this question here. Is it faith? Is it more difficult to remain faithful in ministry in times of comfort or Persecution.
Is it more difficult to remain faithful in ministry in times of comfort or persecution and why.
I'll say for myself Probably in times of comfort and I say that because That's what I expect. That's what we experience most of the time here in America. Anyways We don't really know persecution right.
I mean compared to some I mean we do like whenever we go out and we Evangelize and and spread the gospel. We do receive some there but not even still even then not like some have in other countries and across the world.
So I would say the church in America. We don't really know persecution. Most of the time we experience a lot of comfort and that comfort can come at a cost. Because we get very Apathetic and we get in our safe zones and we were comfortable.
Yeah, we're there and we think well This is church when really if we go back to the Bible and we go back to other places in church history we see that now church is much more than just coming inside of these four walls and You know singing a few songs and hearing the Word of God preached.
It is getting out and going and doing the work of the ministry out there.
And.
That's when it becomes hard. And so I would say Too many times for myself personally. When I get just in times of comfort That can be a great. Well, actually I'll back up and I'll say this the Lord can use that in to wake me up from my stupor of being complacent.
Right ministry. Then again use me for his course glory. So I would just say for me it's comfort and that I would in a sense a lot to be.
Challenged more. So let me let me do this for you Brayden. When I'm gonna change the question. I'm gonna change the question because I'm smarter than AI at this point.
Instead of using persecution, let's change it to affliction. Affliction. So the question is this. Is it more difficult to remain faithful in ministry in times of comfort or affliction?
You know It's hard to say in one sense I think that a pastor's true colors will be shown in affliction. I think a lot of times like and what I mean by that is I'm again I think Jared you're answering off of your experience.
I'm gonna have to answer off my experience in this sense, too. Right, if if somebody is slandering or gossiping or creating disunity in a church I'm saying that that is affliction. So let me just I saw anything I answer off of that.
I'm saying that that qualifies as affliction in my mind right now. I think it's very easy for a pastor to feel like departing from truth to create unity going back on that that question that we had earlier is the way the easy means out and it Often is right.
It's easy to It's easy just to change flip-flop every which way and be a politician and have everybody like you behind the pulpit. It's another thing to actually stand for Christ, which then will create Affliction right the slander gossip disunity sometimes because you're standing on truth at that point.
And so you know, I Do think comfort creates a a pastor without a spine and You can then have a lot of hidden things that are going on. But I do think affliction is what then ends up exposing a pastor and their true motives all along I don't know if that does that answer the question.
I don't know if it does. I think that's really good.
So I'll answer this one too on my own. He's not as a pastor, but just go through my Christian walk and you guys would probably relate somewhat. Maybe if you guys have.
Guess it really depends on how much affliction you've had in your life. But I can I can tell you this and I think Jared spoke to it, but you did too. You know when I think there's a saying that says that when you you know, when you get sweet when you get squeezed.
You know what's going to come out, you know? Squeeze orange. You're gonna get orange juice. So I remember one one time we we said this to a little a little kid and what happens when you when not you when you?
Get squeezed.
Do you get?
What happens when you squeeze a little kid is what you're trying to. Yeah.
What happens when the whole She gets all you should get you should get spirit juice. My point is this is that I noticed in my times of affliction whether it was brought on by my own sin. Yeah, or or just suffering or like you said gossip and slander that it put me on my knees.
You know realized that I wouldn't be depending my own strength in my own in my own in my own self. But but it caused me to look to Christ and to be dependent on him. And I noticed that when I was afflicted whether it was brought on again by myself or or I didn't deserve it.
And what I mean by that I it was brought on by somebody else and I was innocent in that matter. It still caused me To pray more, you know, I remember going to bed praying You know just put me on these praying to God and then waking up still praying the same prayer and my prayer life was just Amazing because of the affliction and the pressure and the stress that I was being screwed.
It was total dependency on God and I that was that was special. It really was special.
You know, I do want to just say Tom. I think that that is. I think that's great. I think you can experience growth.
Or.
Sanctification in both either comfort or affliction. But I think it tends to be that in comfort you might grow in sanctification in education in a theological understanding of God and Scripture because you're able to pursue those things.
But. In affliction you grow in the application of God's Word towards your life. That's good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if you guys would agree with that. I know anytime that I've seen a family or myself or anybody around me go through something.
Man you that's the kind of Christian I want to be around is somebody that's actually been through it. One that actually has a testimony that actually has grown in Christ and in the thick of things. Yeah, I think that's where the rubber meets the road.
Yeah, I would I would say affliction is Definitely a means of grace that God uses in our lives and we need that. You know, even though you know, our flesh is totally opposed to anything like that. The Lord knows exactly what we need in the moment and if we're going through a time of comfort.
Like you said brain it can be good. It can definitely be good and we should want peace but there are times though there are times that we Need that affliction in our lives to wake us up and to make us realize.
Man, I need God right now, right? I need him right now.
Absolutely. Yeah, there was a quote I and I posted on Facebook not too long ago. I posted it 15 years ago that came up on my memories on Facebook and it was by Charles Spurgeon. I think I've read it once on the show before but I'll read it again and it says this.
It says and this is Charles Spurgeon. I like to be with God's people with the poorer class of the more struggling and afflicted sort. I like to be with God's people who wrestle hard with sins and doubts and fears.
I if I get spoken to by my superior brethren I find I have very little pleasant fellowship with them for I know nothing about their wonderful experience of Freedom from conflict and complete deliverance from every evil tendency.
I have never the day but I have had to sorrow over my imperfections. Charles Spurgeon so good stuff about that, you know.
I would just say on that note though Tom and something Michelle just said to you know James chapter 1 verse 2. I just know this is because I've been studying it. It's count it says count it all joy my brothers that goes back into what I was getting at in verse 1.
But count it all joy my brothers. When you meet various trial or when you meet trials of various kinds for you. Know that the testing of your faith continues to go back to that covenant theology people of God.
I'm just saying that for you know that the testing of your faith produces Steadfastness and let's that steadfastness have its full effect that you may be perfect and complete lacking in nothing. It's listen this this verse is something that you should be preaching to yourself when you are in comfort.
Because when you're in affliction, it is hard to count it as all joy. But you must you must you must you must because truly I think and I think I know you brothers would agree with me on this some of the most Sanctifying moments in my life the most Cherished moments of how God has helped me know him better.
Has been through the challenges and afflictions and trials that I've gone through and I'm sure that you guys have gone through too. And those are the the key things in our lives that even though in the moment if we had stopped it put pause on our on Our timeline pause you and I would say man.
I hate this. I don't want to be going through it. I think this is terrible. Years later you would say God I wouldn't have had it any other way. This is wrong me and I'm thankful to you for it. And so Michelle whatever is going on.
Keep on searching the scripture have hope and and know that God is sovereign and that he has purpose and whatever you're going through and that He's conforming you to the image of Christ and whatever it is.
Yeah. So so. Question number one. Question number one. Says what does it mean to be faithful in ministry when the results of your labor seems to be minimal or invisible.
Wait read that one again. Sorry. What's number was that?
What does it mean to be faithful in ministry when the results of your labor seems to be minimal or invisible? In other words, you're faithful. You're going out you're doing the ministry of the work. But you're not seeing free.
You're not your evangelism, you're not seeing people grow. Listen, I.
Miss I can speak from this as a pastor and I Think it fits into every form of ministry doesn't matter which one you're in you must take your encouragement and reward From God who is faithful not from man.
And let me let me let me clarify what I mean by that. What I'm getting at is if you are in ministry seeking a reward or You want to receive seeing a fruit from your labor or you are wanting to hear admonitions for your work.
Men will disappoint you through and through you might see fruit for one day and the next day that same person is stabbing you in The back if you get encouragement from other believers or reported believers.
Don't you're setting yourself up for failure rejoicing the Lord in a profession of faith, but own. I'm. Something I've seen and personally is that you must seek your encouragement from the Lord. That's where the key source of all your encouragement should be coming from in ministry and so The the motto that Tom has already said even if none We are we're obedient to God not so that we can see fruit.
We're obedient to God because we're obedient to him to glorify him and to seek encouragement from him instead of other men. And so the fruit is the glorifying of God. The fruit is your obedience. That's the fruit of God's work in you not you're working for God.
Yeah, I would say I mean I second that. But I would say also. You know, why do we do what we do, right? That's a question that we have to ask ourselves because oftentimes we can get wrapped up in the numbers and This church has you know, they've had these this many baptisms right this year or whatever whatever it is.
And if we're too if we're too concerned about the numbers and we're not concerned about just being faithful to God and what he's called us to do we're gonna go down a bad a bad road and Our heads will get really big and we'll think that we're something when we're really not and we'll fall.
We'll fall really quick. And so I think that we just need to get our priorities right and understand who our God is. What he's called us to do and just be faithful in that and that is the measure of success.
We can't we cannot measure our success. Based upon the responses that the positive responses that we get. Yeah, sure. If that was the case we would all be depressed. Well, not only that I mean.
Jesus's ministry and you would say that he's a failure if that's the case.
Matter of fact and so that's that's question number 20 by AI. What is the ultimate measure of faithfulness in ministry? Endurance purity fruit or something else entirely.
The ultimate measure.
Faithfulness is the endurance purity fruit or something the ultimate measure.
Well, yeah. Ministry is multifaceted right. It's not. I mean it is preaching for the pastor. It's the the proclamation or the exposition of God's Word. And so that's one of the biggest things and so if we're not being faithful to the word, we're failing, right?
So we clear expositors we see that standard set forth in Scripture but I would say that the ultimate method or measure of our faithfulness, which is according to God's Word is The God who is faithful to me yet while I'm sinning against him when I lack in faith and and so We all fail in our faithfulness to God.
We fall far short of the faithfulness of God that he has demonstrated to us and his son Jesus Christ and saving us. That's why we're yet his enemies. And so, you know, I I think reminding ourselves of that and Trying to emulate that faithfulness.
Listen. Gone back to that previous question of taking encouragement from God even when a shepherd is biting or when a shepherd is Receiving bites from the sheep on his hands from feeding them We are still called to feed and tend the sheep of God.
And so we still do that even when they're biting because why. We've been at God's hand far many more times than what any sheep could ever bite at our hands. And so we're faithful because he's faithful.
Yeah, you know, I was just thinking just David actually said to hear Christ. Well done, you know good and faithful servant and I was thinking of the parable of the talents. You know when when God has given each one of us a measure of faith He's given us each one of us a measure of gifts whether it's You know, whether it's a speaking gift or a serving gift or whatever.
God has given us. It's you know, what are we doing as a steward of what God has given us to advance the kingdom of God? Yeah, and but it's like you said Braden He knows our weaknesses, too. Yeah, but at the same time there's that's.
Not not saying anything gets you at all. I agree with you. He does know our weaknesses and God is always faithful, which is what your point. But but in in that With the with the little that he's given you how much are you investing your time in the kingdom of God?
How much are you investing your speaking gift in the in the memory, you know in the further furthering of the kingdom? What are we what are we doing? To advance the kingdom of God, that's that's the mark of faithfulness is investing in the kingdom of God.
Well, yeah. It's been a hour and ten minutes. Does anybody have any questions? Oh.
Here.
What is God teaching me in this Oh question can we say what is God teaching me in this circumstance? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think that's actually one thing that that Joe I mean not in that exact words.
But I think that's what Job is is really wrestling with because Job Man, a lot of people give Job a hard time. Job just lost his frickin seven sons and three daughters and lost all his property. Stop giving Job a hard time.
God says he's my he's a righteous and faithful servant. If you're trying to read Joe without without Acknowledging how God speaks about Job stop it. God says Job is a faithful servant at both the beginning and the end of the book.
Stop trying to give Job a hard time. Job is wrestling with what is the purpose of God's sovereignty in the loss of his children and ultimately God answers him by saying My ways are higher than your ways.
Job does get answered by God at the end of the book and that's to Continue to rest your head on God's sovereignty. And so I think I think it's totally fine to ask What is God teaching me in this circumstance?
If nothing else he's teaching you to trust in his sovereignty. And he might not you might not ever see that answer, but God is working it.
Yeah, I would say that I think that we should always ask that question. Yeah, right in every season that we're in because yeah, he wants to teach us something. I mean That's it.
Be on our mind to you. Don't you think Jared? I mean, you know, what is I mean in every circumstance that ever go that you mean even every hour every every minute of the Day, we should be saying, you know, we should be in that.
In the spirit asking God, okay Lord, you know, where do you want me to go? How do you want me to respond. How can I live my life every minute of the day. That's right to you. Yeah should be our goal.
Amen.
Any final words. Braden.
Let's let the guests have the very first words. Jared what you got? Yeah. Well, first of all, I wanna again Thank you guys for having me on the show. It's been it's been fantastic to catch up with you guys to hear from you and love you brothers very much.
And so thank you for the opportunity but I would just encourage people if I can say this encourage people to subscribe and get yeah on the show more and Comment and just ask questions because I think you got Braden Tom.
You guys do a great job and will continue to be faithful in what God's called you to do. So I just would say to the audience Come on, and let's take a listen and keep on listening and support the show.
But praying for you brothers. And you're you're at your church in your ministry Tom what you're doing there sharing the gospel. Keep on doing that and if there's anything that we can do to miss just let us know.
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Well, I mean it's next. Okay, it's up to you which one who you want.
I'll go next and you can close this up. All right. I'm gonna say the same thing. I do everything. Nope. Well first a little bit different. Jared very glad that that you came on. It is wonderful catching up with you and nice to hear about the church and stay faithful and preaching God's Word.
Take care of your your your baby and and your wife. You have two kids or one?
So I you guys probably don't know this so I have a total of four kids. What? Oh, yeah. Me and me and my wife we have two together. So we met Ten plus years ago and we've had two we just had my son Three months three months ago, right?
So he's he's been a huge blessing to our family. But now I have four. I had two back in high school back in my back in my to put really to pray days to say the least but they bought they're all blessings to to us and the Lord has used them in my life to sanctify me and bring me closer to himself and They're great blessings.
But yeah, I have four. That's awesome.
Praise God, so yeah, and then your wife. I always make fun of her because she's about three foot two.
She will get you for that man.
Well, I'm gonna say this you guys go out this next year and and look for somebody. All you got to do is walk out your door and. There's somebody there that needs to hear the gospel, you know. Point them to their condition point them to Christ and in the act of in his active in his active obedience and Going to the cross paying the penalty for our sin and risk being risen on the third day Seated at the right hand of the Father forever interceding for all those who place their trust in him.
Go tell them about Christ today. Make it a point to tell one person about Christ this week. That's right, you know.
Well What else can I say after that? That was great Tom. I agree with you brother. Anybody out there that's praying for the opportunity to share the gospel. You can keep on praying for that but stop not telling your neighbor about it.
You have opportunities that are ample and you're just making an excuse to not do it. Let's be honest. So heed the words of Tom and go and tell people about Jesus Christ. Jared brother I love you, too.
We'll have to have you back on here Tom. I Love you, but that's because Jesus tells me I have to love you. I don't like you. I only love Tom. God bless you guys as well. If you live in Moorpark or in the Ventura County area.
You got to come check out Grace Bible Church in Moorpark. I do have to just drop that in there again. But anyway tonight was a blessing. Thank you all for watching and tuning in and Yeah, looking forward to seeing you guys again next week so amen.
All right.
God bless everybody. God bless.