August 15, 2018 Show with Kevin Cottrell, Christina Miller, & Doug Totter on “Help for Parents of Autistic Children from Parents of Autistic Children”

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This is Chris Arnz and your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 15th day of

August 2018 and I am so delighted to have this program today.

It's a very important program.

We only discussed this issue once before on the old Iron Sharpens Iron Radio program

broadcasting out of New York and only one of our three guests today was a

part of that program but today we have three guests with us.

We don't normally have that many guests but I'm so delighted first of all, I'll introduce them one by one.

For the first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, my dear old friend Kevin Cottrell who

is currently program director at Salem Media Group in the greater New York City area and morning

host of Coffee with Kevin on AM 570 The Mission WMCA radio

and Kevin and I were colleagues for a number of years, I think at least a decade of the 15 years I worked for

Salem Media and it's so great to have you for the very first time on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Kevin Cottrell.

Thank you Chris, it's a pleasure to be here.

And do you remember approximately what year because I had worked for Salem and

WMCA for a few years at least before Salem purchased 970 DJ

where you were working and then we became colleagues at that point and worked there I believe at least a decade or

more.

What year was that when we, Salem I should say, purchased 970 DJ?

Actually it was 1994.

Great, yeah so I was there three years.

Yeah okay yeah so.

And then they brought us all down into one facility WMCA and WWDJ together

and yeah we worked there for quite a few years together but 94 was when it all started.

Yeah so.

I worked with you for 12 years and out of the 15 years that I was there so and it

was always a great pleasure working with you.

I can't remember bumping heads with you too many times but I think.

We always enjoyed a good laugh.

I mean you know yeah we pretty much were on the same page as far as biblically and in every other way

and and you know we it was a very pleasurable I tried to do whatever I

could on the talent side to help you guys in sales and there were a number of

you know things that you were doing that I was definitely in support of and trying to help you whether it be with the pastors or

trying to get programs on the air.

It was a great relationship.

Amen.

I remember.

It very fondly.

I also remember having a good laugh on occasion when I had to escape the

the basic headaches of the average workday.

I'd go into your studio there sometimes perhaps interrupting something important.

I used to enjoy going in there and you and I would enjoy a good laugh.

And then I'd have to go back to the real world.

But it's so great to have you on the program.

And now I'd like to introduce for the very first time also to Iron Sherpens Line Radio Christina Miller.

She is mom to one child with autism and to another child with sensory processing disorder and

she's a blogger at nurturingmindfully .com.

And I'll bet you the last time I saw Christina was when she was a little girl herself when I

was visiting the church where her father pastors.

Her father is might Ploughman and he pastors the Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Bohemia

Long Island New York.

And I had visited there on several occasions but it was many years ago so I'm certain that you were either not

born or a little girl.

But it's my pleasure to welcome you for the very first time ever.

Christina Miller.

Thank you so much.

It's so good to be here.

Great.

And please send my greetings to your mom and dad and I miss them greatly.

In fact your dad was quite a frequent guest on the old Iron Sherpens Line Radio out

of New York.

He used to come into the studio and do our pastors roundtable that we had every Friday on the

program and I always had a very high regard for him.

In fact I think he was once a member of the church that eventually became Grace Reform

Baptist Church of Merrick Long Island First Baptist Church of Merrick am I correct.

Was he once a member there.

Yeah yeah.

That's what I thought.

Right.

Great and last but not least a man who has been on the program before.

It's been a while though my one of my former pastors over at Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long

Island in Merrick New York the church I just mentioned he co -pastors along with Mark Romaldi there.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back after a long absence.

Pastor.

Doug Totter.

Well

I

has the.

Has the party ever died down ever since I left Grace Reform Baptist Church.

Do you have a

dog yelping in the background.

That's all right.

Well I'm gonna give our email.

Address for anybody listening who wants to send in a question it's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com C -H -R -I

-S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

I'm actually gonna do this program today in honor of a dear friend of myself

and one of our guests today Andy Anderson.

Andy Anderson who was the in -house talk show host of WMCA

for a number of years he is now spending eternity with Christ.

I had actually had the pleasure of filling in for Andy for at least two weeks after he went home to be with the

Lord and so I'm doing this program in honor of him.

It was such a joy working with Andy and it was such a joy to develop a strong friendship

with him.

Began as I think it was called live from New York initially.

Then it became Andy Anderson live.

Do you remember the exact titles.

Kevin.

Yeah I.

Think Andy Anderson live was the final name.

Talk.

New York I think was the first one.

Was it talk.

New York that was probably just before I got there right right.

But he was a dear brother and miss him dearly.

I also miss his wife and who's I believe still with us and would love for her to get

a hold of this mp3 eventually.

But Christina Miller I'd like you to start off the program by giving.

A definition of what autism is

developmental disability which is a big word but basically it's a neurological

condition that affects the brain and the nervous system.

The way that their brains develop is differently from how our brains develop and

it can present itself in a number of different ways.

It's considered a spectrum disorder because kids can be very mild and

considered very high functioning and just show symptoms or

they can go all the way to being completely nonverbal non -interactive

and on the more extreme end of the spectrum.

The main sort of symptoms that are in common for

each child with autism is that you see social and communication problems

difficulty navigating social situations and sensory issues.

Which when we talk about sensory issues we're talking about the way that your

brain processes the information that you've through your five senses your sight

your hearing your touch your you know the five senses the way that

your brain interprets it and understands the world.

So kids on the spectrum have trouble with that processing and they

can sometimes experience sounds louder or nothing stronger and

the world can become very overwhelming for them as a result of that.

Hmm.

And by the way folks.

I think this is the first time I've ever done this in all the years I've hosted.

I interpret Zion radio going back to 2005.

I didn't even announce the theme of our show which I'm sure you guessed by now it is

on autism the specific thing we are addressing today.

The specific title is help for parents of autistic children from the

parents of autistic children and so I hope that you if you haven't

already start emailing and texting and even calling your friends family and loved ones who may have

autistic children or have loved ones with autistic children so they can benefit from the show.

Obviously you can always share the mp3 with them later as well.

Just before we go on to our other guests Christina tell us something about

sensory processing disorder.

Which your other child has.

So sensory processing disorder.

It's it's something that children who have autism experience.

But when you have a diagnosis of sensory processing disorder alone it's

missing those other elements of being on the autism spectrum.

So my daughter Adelaide who has sensory processing disorder she

functions very well socially.

She has great motor skills.

She doesn't have the repetitive nature that tip the stem to stemming

that might start with autism.

It's really just that sensory piece.

So it's again that piece of the way that her brain interprets the

information that she brings in through her five senses.

It's just not quite interpreting it quickly enough

or efficiently enough so things can become very overwhelming to her in her case.

Specifically she is hypersensitive to touch

and to sound.

So for example like public bathrooms are very difficult with her

because the hand dryers are so loud to her.

You know we really just can't even use them.

I have to you know carry things in my purse to just have alternate things

ready for her at any given time.

The other thing we have to give her deep pressure massage twice

a day so she can tolerate the feeling of her clothing against.

Her skin.

Wow now uh -huh.

And now it's interesting that you have two children with these two unique

disorders.

Did the doctors tell you why you had two different children with these.

I mean is it just an act of providence that has no medical reason that you had two different children with

two different disorders like this.

Or and and just also because of our politically correct world.

Is it proper for me to use the term disorder.

I don't know how I should be phrasing this.

Reprocessing disorder and autism spectrum disorder.

Okay so I was okay with the word disorder.

Yeah I mean sometimes I'm very active in the community and sometimes I

order no

did.

The as I was asking did the physicians give you any medical reason why you had two children with these two different disorders or is

it just the providence of God and his sovereignty that this.

Occurred.

And Kevin

Cottrell

unless

my

memory

is

failing me I

think you

have more

than

one

child.

With autism do you know.

I've only got one.

I have two daughters.

My oldest daughter for lack of a better term is normal.

My younger daughter Brittany she has what was diagnosed

at nine months old meeting her

milestones and that we should take her to a neurologist.

He diagnosed her this was back in nineteen ninety one or two

as PDD

basically back then even though they now

included in the autistic spectrum.

You'll see it written as PDD slash autism.

Back then they said that she had autistic tendencies but didn't feel she was

truly all the tendencies low muscle

tone which she has from head to toe but they didn't consider her CP.

The label is nothing more and I want to stress this.

It is important to try to narrow it down to some kind of a label because

that at least will help your child get services.

Because the organizations that are out the state of New Jersey

everything's funneled through the Division of Developmental Disabilities which is the state -run agency

that works with all of the other agencies that give you services whether it's

VP services and those organizations will contact you once you

register your child with the state and let you know that they have services that might assist you.

My daughter spectrum.

She's on the low end

28.

Yeah.

And my daughter doesn't even look like she's 28.

She.

Looks like she's a teenager.

Well I said well because it's amazing how fast time flies it's.

Totally amazing.

I know.

Yeah yeah um comprehends a great deal

but her ability to communicate communicating

her needs but

when you talk to her she understands and you can

give and

prompting

but still is like a child.

Lee my daughter is in

it and when you were

talking about when she was a.

Very young child that she was not reaching and milestones and the doctors were getting concerned and it

they initially didn't think it was full -blown autism but what were these milestones specifically.

That she wasn't reaching or making.

She wasn't sitting up she wasn't holding her.

Bottle.

She wasn't doing the kinds of things that a normal nine -month -old would do.

She was in day care at the time and one of the mothers said you

know that she had noticed this and suggested we talked to our pediatrician which we did

and she recommended

he's developmentally delayed.

We don't know where that and then he's

PDD and Doug Totter my former

pastor.

Tell us about your own situation.

With Ruthie.

And when you realized and how you realized that there was something not quite right.

And you had to

seek a

physician's

advice and

by God's grace got

properly

diagnosed.

And being on your autism which

is not uncommon is it does have mental retardation.

But so she's 26 but I'll be around a five -year -old level and

mentally and you know more recently was diagnosed with retinitis

pigmentosa which is a disease which will eventually lead to blindness.

But

the

way

of our

lives.

But

any

kind of

you

know

any kind

of

that

we know

that

married

only one that has

thankful

that

the Lord is in

the

beginning

and every week

and amen amen.

And

in fact

I

can.

Recall that I tried to get the author of the book you were making you recommended on the on the old show but she was

too shy.

She was not a big fan of being interviewed.

Maybe maybe she's changed her mind.

Oh yeah.

Well maybe she's changed her mind by now and I can have her back on or should I say have her on.

For the first time you mentioned cerebral palsy when I remember

Ruthie when I was a member there at grace reform Baptist Church.

I don't remember seeing signs of cerebral palsy.

Does.

That something that developed later or what did she always have that.

No no it's mild.

It's like

Christina.

And she has

she had.

And so we got a

vision.

It's

been a blessing.

And actually

one of my daughter's

vision therapy.

What's the

room.

Is that all of our children.

Really we're gonna not be here forever.

We're gonna go to be with.

But in fact they'll.

They'll see through it.

Who it is.

You know you die.

And amen.

We're

gonna go

to our first station break if you would like to join us.

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You're now back to our discussion today with Kevin Cottrell host of coffee with

Kevin on 570 a .m. WMCA radio in New York where I worked for

15 years.

We also have Christina Miller on the program.

And Christina is not only the daughter of a dear friend of mine Mike Plugman of the

Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Bohemia Long Island.

But she is also a blogger at nurturingmindfully .com and

Doug Totter one of my former pastors at Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick New York.

All three of my guests have autistic children.

And our theme today is help for parents of autistic children.

From parents of autistic children.

And we do have a listener RJ and White Plains New York.

And he asks if you all three want to answer this question.

That's fine.

But we'll begin with Kevin Cottrell.

RJ asks what is specifically the difference between mental.

Retardation and autism.

Well I'm not sure that mental

retardation is just an older term.

To have disability no matter whether you're autistic

people that have CP sometimes it just it just doesn't affect them in

muscular ways.

But also I'm a doctor and not that I have

tremendous knowledge of the entire spectrum of disability.

But I if I'm correct and maybe I'll defer to Christina that the term is really

kind of an outdated term.

Mental retardation I think.

Touches.

You know people of all disabilities.

Like it's an umbrella terms.

Yeah yeah.

I don't hear people using mental retardation anymore.

I think it's more specifically the kind of disability whether it's spina bifida

autism cerebral palsy you know things like that.

I think it now is in terms of what is.

More specific to that disability.

And Christina do you have any other definition.

In fact one of the things I wanted to ask about that that you could also attach to that question

is that if I'm not mistaken unlike people that we normally

associate with mental retardation who have a IQ

perhaps or a mental capability of a young child I know that some autistic

people can be quite brilliant in certain areas of life sometimes their

autism and you could correct me if I'm wrong is more affects their social

skills and other things like that.

But they can be geniuses.

But if you could comment.

On that Christina I'm

not sure if it's a

completely outdated term or not but I think it is fading out the term mental retardation.

There can be children on the autism spectrum who experienced

intellectual delays or don't mature

intellectually as much or as quickly.

But then the flip side of that is you have kids like my daughter who and

a lot of kids who would be on the Asperger's sort of end of the spectrum

that are geniuses.

My daughter is she

struggles with social skills with basic functional living skills.

She can't tie her shoes she has trouble staying focused and on task.

She has what they call a motor planning delay so she can't

her brain can't organize to tell her body to do a task.

So she can't ride a bike.

It took like a three -week eight -step process to teach her how to drink from a sippy cup

things like that.

But then on the other side of it the verbal composite of her

IQ is 142.

She was reading from the time she turned three and when I say reading I mean we could

open up to any song and she could read it.

So you know and I wanted to sort

of echo something that Kevin and Doug both touched on and the importance of

getting the label and my daughter is on that high -functioning

end of the spectrum.

But for kids like my daughter really don't know what to do

with them.

There's not really of these

diagnoses for getting

the help.

Parents are hesitant to get a label and what that would mean for their child.

But having that label has been nothing but

good for my

child.

You

know what

I

have

this

is able to

understand

all of

that a measure of

peace.

And if I

could if I

can piggyback.

Yes in fact

in fact all

of you can.

By the way I.

Just want to let all of you know that you could piggyback whenever you find a moment that you'd like to say something.

You'd have to wait for me.

You could just as Kevin is done.

Okay yeah let me.

Just jump in my daughter too even though she's a

low muscle

and she drools she has to wear

bandanas around her neck all the time because the muscles in her

mouth.

I have a

nephew who's identically labeled and yet he's gone to college.

He's very smart diagnosed identically but

because of the spectrum the diagnosis doesn't necessarily mean that you're going

to be a three -year -old.

It could mean you're basically normal.

And as we've mentioned in the program you will know when you meet him even though he's very smart

that he's got social skill problems with people and so you'd say okay there's there's something

wrong there if you didn't know that he was autistic or PDD and also

with his life and

Tina mentioned with her door is handicapped

on Long Island stations I think and actually

talking about his disability that

no he is not

predetermined that you're going to be very intellectually you know like a child

it just shows you that I

have all

mentioned that

I'm directing I'll get

a handle to get them labeled

to go to doctors to give them the label because

him or her

to is

on record with that state might

not be as good as others but that's a place to start.

I frequently

meet them and

I'm doing all this myself.

Steena and I know pastor Doug we've benefited

in New Jersey which is I gotta say an excellent state

for the

diagnosed they and then the child study

team which is the organization within

not always but you can definitely make yourself aware to them.

They're the ones that help your child navigate.

If your child if they have got

to get your child and they

must find your district to and that's what happened with my she

was getting the appropriate education the

occupational therapy education.

I believe in most states that is

required.

A child handicapped child has not graduated 18.

They graduated 21.

I'm assuming it's the same on Long Island.

Yes yes we'll take it.

There will definitely.

I think the earlier of

the earlier they get special treatment the better.

And again like Kevin was saying is that some parents are there.

They don't want the child labeled.

Yes they think the label hurts them.

They don't want the stigma of having a handicapped child or an autistic child and they're doing the child

more harm than good.

This label is extremely important and the

makes a difference.

But again it's every child is different.

The amount of progress they make the rate at which they make that progress is completely different to each child.

And regardless of the diagnosis you know autism spectrum it's just that it's a spectrum and you

know there's there's a wide spectrum.

But the getting them help early is so important and not being

ashamed of it not being fearful of a and to get into the

man you have to kind of be an advocate.

You have to definitely be an advocate.

Be a child that's likely to need was an excellent advocate and and we try to all

to advocate for Ruthie because Ruthie couldn't advocate for herself and that's key as well.

But the school districts are important.

We find on Long Island how it is in New Jersey.

But on Long Island every school district we by God's grace we're in two really

good school districts.

The Brentwood school.

How many of those school districts have

been helpful for us.

Not every school district is like that.

Sadly but you know God be merciful we got we got tremendous amount

of help Ruth and and so that was that was a great blessing.

But the diagnosis and the early treatment and everything is so important.

We do have.

I would.

I don't I don't look at this.

You saying I as a believer is a blessing.

My daughter Brittany is a wonderful human being.

She is an affectionate sweet natured person.

And my older daughter both you know

she's a gift from God and what she

has done to transform my life.

And also how would I understand

that world unless God allowed me to be in it and live in it.

And then of course be able to share what he's taught me with others.

And I just look at the.

Praise God we do have a listener from Bangor Maine.

John and Bangor Maine says.

I believe it was Kevin who earlier said that the diagnosis that was first given by a doctor was

much more severe and frightening and disturbing than the truth eventually

came to be.

Doesn't this lend you all to believe that one should always look for second and

third opinions and not just relying.

Upon the initial diagnosis of a physician I think

that was my mother.

We taught it and we were

devastated.

And

you

want

the

gift of God

is to

amen.

There

would

be you'd

have

anybody that

you need.

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If you just tuned us in we have three guests today.

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We also have christina miller who is the mother of an autistic child and

pastor doug totter of grace reform baptist church of merrick long island new york who also is a

parent of an autistic child.

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That's also the email address where you can send in a question to our guest today kevin cutrell host of coffee with kevin

on wmca 570 am radio in the new york tri -state area also known as the

mission we have christina miller who is a blogger on the subject of autism.

And we have pastor doug totter who is the one of two pastors at grace reform baptist church of

meric long island new york where i was once a member.

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Once again if you send an email with your question uh please put your first name your city and state and

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If your question involves a personal and private matter uh let's see

here we have a listener uh arnie in perry county

pennsylvania who says i think that the information you are providing for our

listeners is wonderful today especially because it further cements and bolsters

the pro -life position.

It is tragic how many doctors try to convince people to murder their children in

abortion just because they may have some disability.

And you folks are giving our listeners every reason to go through with the pregnancy obey god

and raise these children where they are actually a blessing to your lives and not a curse.

Thank you very much for this information.

And this was obviously a comment.

Not.

And um uh kevin cutrell it is uh certainly true.

Isn't it.

Um in fact uh also doug totter i don't know if you know this i'm not going to mention the person's name

uh because they might not want this kind of thing aired.

But uh there was a member of grace reform baptist church actually as a member they were members of calvary baptist

church before we merged many years ago back in the 90s they're not there anymore because they moved away.

But this couple were urged by their doctor to have an abortion

because the doctor was convinced that the baby would be a

severely retarded hermorphodite dwarf.

And the they said we will not do this.

We are we are christians we do not believe in murdering our children just because they have some kind of a

disability and the doctor apparently repeatedly urged them and the baby was

born completely normal and healthy.

Now whether that was because of the errors of the doctor's diagnosis or a miracle occurred who knows.

But but uh kevin cutrell isn't this a isn't this just one of the many reasons why

abortion is out of the question when it comes to something like this.

Absolutely.

And i feel that because of my child i can speak to it even

stronger because uh when i speak about preserving the life of

sin and the murdering of a child before a holy god

and i have a child who is severely

handicapped can't

come against me too strongly because they see i have in their minds a child that

uh you know shouldn't have been given life.

And um i think because of britney my desire

um to save life is even stronger because i see that

even in her disability such a wonderful human being and such a blessing and

uh it encourages me even more to take it.

And christina.

Do you have any further comments.

Yeah um i mean absolutely i think the world is a better place for these

children being in it.

Absolutely and i mean unquestionably abort

it's just i i i can't even it's just such a horrible thing.

But aside from that i can't imagine

a world without these children.

The world needs these children and i think that god knows that they

make they make you.

My child makes me look outside of my own perspective constantly

constantly having to look at things a different way.

And she just has such a unique way of seeing the world and such.

She's just pure sweetness and um you know.

And then the other side of this too is that they aren't their

diagnosis.

They have autism.

That's something that they have.

But they are so many other things as well.

They're loving they're kind um they have talent.

They have some of them have genius you know could perhaps benefit

such an amazing way.

So aside from just the obvious um how obviously wrong

abortion is just overall you know the idea of trying to eliminate

a group a group of people that have certain disabilities i i think we're.

Robbing ourselves as a society.

And pastor.

Doug yes i would definitely agree.

And i can.

And that is could be multiplied by you know millions of false diagnosis

and like you said chris you don't know if it was a bad diagnosis or just the sovereign mercy

of god.

And again i would echo what we need to view

like that.

The only way you can do that is as a as a believer effective on life

eliminated the image of god.

And uh every life has value.

Determine the value of your life and god's light

is about being created in his image.

And uh particularly being related to

cried by god's grace and

to the word of god.

And oftentimes with children with

severe disabilities we don't know where they are spiritually but we know god knows.

And we we love

them.

We we and uh.

And i wouldn't be the man that i am i know today.

And uh a better

christian and a

better

pastor.

Signed

by god um he's

going to

the

lord is

a blessing.

Amen.

Yeah

in

fact

i

am.

Reminded about the woman who led me to christ in the 1980s uh

she had a friend who was a crack addict.

She found out that this woman was addicted to crack and she was pregnant.

She didn't even know this woman who was pregnant.

And the crack addict didn't even know who the father was.

And her doctor was convinced that her baby would also be addicted to crack and

he was urging her to get an abortion.

My friend susan sat down with her with a it wasn't even a christian book.

It was a book uh on photographic images of the

development of the baby in the womb from conception to birth.

And this woman was blown away by this.

She she didn't even realize uh how human these children are

in the womb before they come out.

It's amazing the ignorance of of people.

Uh and she she decided against the abortion and her doctor once again was wrong and the baby was

born completely normal and unaddicted to crack and so on.

So uh just another example the uh organizations like.

Soundview pregnancy uh service centers on long island use the 3d sonogram

to uh to show the mothers that are considering abortions and it has a tremendous effect

when they see that 3d sonogram and of the baby in the womb

right there and it helps tremendously with

change their mind.

That's great.

Yeah they say and in many cases it's way up in the 80 percentage uh rate that when

women see their child they will

we work with um i forget the name of the uh organization

one of those types of um crisis pregnancy centers that does that and they say that the percentages are

tremendously higher.

When a woman comes in even if they're not a believer and they see their child they opt to have the child.

So um yeah it's a wonderful thing that's happening more and more um to change the hearts

and minds.

And then by the way were any of you counseled by doctors to get abortions

uh.

Thankfully no.

Um.

No we weren't uh.

Actually my daughter was born uh did had an uneventful uh uh birth

so at the time we thought she was normal.

Right.

Right until nine months that they saw something.

You know that that's right.

Quickly.

We have a question.

Go ahead.

I'm sorry.

No i was just

going to take any

of the tests.

Yes christina isn't getting some.

Tests uh dangerous to the health and life of the baby.

Amniocentesis can be dangerous.

I know when i was pregnant with felicia they did do um

some blood work.

Um i didn't want to do the amnio because i didn't want to put her in any danger.

But i did let them do the blood work.

Not because we would ever have any intention of you

know having an abortion that would never cross our minds to do that but because i'm i am a

planner.

So if they were able to tell me something safely like through a blood test then

um then you know then i would have no problem with that just so i could be better prepared.

But for felicia you know nothing like that really showed up in a blood test either.

We didn't.

Um she wasn't diagnosed with autism until she was four um we

had her in early intervention um by her second birthday because she wasn't

meeting milestones.

Um she had been meeting milestones up until about 18 months old um

but then she um she was slowing down and that's been a theme with

her that the older she gets and the more her world and her

disability kind of seems to become.

But you know yeah some some of the tests can put the baby at risk

and then others are safer.

But i just you know i don't think that there's ever a reason to consider

an abortion regardless of what the topic could be used to help you

prepare or to help treat the child in some way then that might be a difference.

Okay we have a.

Question from johnny in queens new york.

And what i'm going to do is i'm going to read johnny's question and then you can answer it after we return from our final break.

Time is flying by very rapidly.

Uh.

But johnny in queens new york uh says.

Thanks for your wonderful guests kevin christina and pastor doug for their personal insights from their daily commitment to

their children.

Many parents with disabled children choose to work with their child at home and

avoid governmental local or otherwise involvement due to fear that their religious medical

ethical views and freedoms may be infringed upon.

Has any of your guests experienced any requirements imposed by these

programs that made them compromise their ideals for instance drugs

vaccinations using materials against biblical beliefs etc.

And we'll have you all answer johnny's question when we return from our final break.

If anybody else would like to join us on the air i strongly urge you to send in your email now or forever.

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We are now back with our guest today kevin cutrell host of coffee with kevin on

wmca 570 am radio known as the mission christina miller who is

a christian blogger on the subject of autism.

And we also have pastor doug totter one of two pastors along with mark ramaldi

at grace reform baptist church of long island in merrick new york.

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shishko host of the program a visit to the pastor study for being the one that actually

urged me to do a program today on autism since he had already interviewed christina miller himself.

And if you want to find uh the mp3 or the audio link for christina's interview with

pastor bill shishko go to visit the pastors study .org.

Visit the pastors study .org and it is archived there so you can hear that program.

Uh we are going back now to our question that was asked uh

during the uh before the break i should say uh by johnny uh

johnny in queens new york.

And i misplaced the question.

So i've got to enlarge the uh the email he sent because the font was microscopic.

And while i'm doing that let me repeat our email address if you'd like to join us on the air it's chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Okay we have johnny in queens new york who said as you may recall

many parents with disabled children choose to work with their child at home and avoid governmental

local or otherwise involvement due to fear that their religious medical ethical

views and freedoms may be infringed upon as any of your guests experienced

any requirements imposed by these programs that made them compromise their

ideals involving drugs vaccinations using materials against biblical beliefs etc.

Why don't we start with kevin cutrell.

Um no actually i haven't.

Um i found that whenever i would speak about my faith um if anything

they you know many years my daughter went to school

uh even in the group home.

Now they take uh my daughter lives and they do go to

church.

Uh they take them you know to church periodically if they want to go.

Uh a number of times.

Although she does have difficulty sitting and staying attentive she enjoys the music.

But when the pastor preaches she's like you know because she's a little kid in her head.

Uh it doesn't always stay there seated so many times i'll have to walk out and walk her around.

But no i i never experienced in all the years my daughter was in school actually

um a blessing.

My daughter goes to a day program that's run by catholic charities so

obviously they are very supportive you know

of christian values.

So i've never.

Experienced.

And christina

absolutely not the opposite.

Um has been true.

Everyone had a number of therapists in

our home you know they

it's legally and ethically it's part of their code that they have to be respectful

of the belief system of the family that they're working with.

And so um i have never encountered anything but respect.

And we've even had my daughter's behavioral therapist attend church um because there were

you know issues in her behavior plan that could only be addressed at church.

So the behavioral therapist came to church um so you know i think

you know i've only had positive experiences.

My daughter is in the public school um they've done nothing but be

supportive and respectful to us.

The other thing i would want to say and you know i absolutely respect every parent has

to make the decision that they feel is right for their children.

But just as someone who has been in the thick of it and i was a teacher my husband is a

teacher um we are perhaps more equipped than most to deal with

a child with autism and yet i still when that diagnosis came i

felt like i got punched in the gut.

And i was completely overwhelmed by the whole process.

And in spite of having formal training um so you

know i just think it's important to have obsessors wisdom and a multitude of

counselors and these professionals are experts in their field and

not to not take advantage of their knowledge

and their wisdom.

Even if they aren't coming from a biblical perspective that doesn't necessarily

mean that their methods are contrary to a biblical perspective.

In fact over the years as i've worked closely with these therapists

um as they would speak to me different verses would pop up in my mind.

Um i wish i could think of a specific example.

But it would happen all the time like where they would say try this that or the other thing and i would be like oh that's

like the verse that says such and such you know and they weren't necessarily coming from a

perspective of science but god made our brains god made our body.

So science is going to reveal that and be consistent with that.

You know maybe not always initially in the theory stage but i find that the the

very research -based methods tend to not go against biblical

methods.

That's been my experience.

Any follow

-up.

Pastor.

Doug

yes um

i've not

experienced um much.

Do what they

have to

do.

I'll be

as old and she

will

thank you.

Johnny in

queens new york.

Keep listening to iron

sharpens.

Iron radio and keep spreading the word about the program in new york city and beyond.

Let's see here we have uh we have chuck

in west islip new york.

And chuck says.

I was wondering if each of your guests could in a summary fashion go through the various

stages of emotions they went through when they first had their child diagnosed

through the fear the anxiety the apprehension until the current day of actually rejoicing

in the child the way god had made them.

And we'll start with.

Kevin cutrell if you don't mind um i never went

any kind of depression.

My wife did.

She went really it was

uh sadly

for me personally i

really accepted it because as much as it was i guess the sad part was my

older daughter and that you

know you think of uh growing up together and

all the typical things with two you know normal children and that britney would

always be my older daughter the

other thing to

human

being

even though she has you

know her her minimal

communication as a as a quote

that to you she's close with her family

every time i go to see her he's

hugging and holding daddy and and we sit on

the couch or we take a walk around the neighborhood and she knows it's daddy and she's very

affectionate.

So i thank the lord that he has given me a person that and we have our there's little

things that we do that is

not language as it is and

still

remembers.

So i know that mentally uh she has never really gone backwards

and then you know she's kind of remained basically that he was much

younger she accomplishes little things here and there and will do things that learn how

to do or words that she will say because of my

faith in christ i took it as god

gave me and i will do it to the best of my ability and i believe that he gave it to

me because he knew i could do it with his strength.

And um that i would say is the way i've looked at my life

knew that i

could do this and that it would give me the ability to

take care of their child.

So i guess that's really been my perspective from the very beginning because i

don't remember why god

did you give this to me.

That was never my plus years.

So god prepared me and i'm thankful

to the wonderful

child you know that's that's the way i've looked at it and i continue to look at it and

as pastor doug said you know it has it's had its difficult moments um

on many levels.

Oh thank god you know

that's that's a

blessing of what god is able to do for.

Me for others.

Yes and i'm sure that you would agree that although god spared you from depression you wouldn't

find fault with a brother or sister in christ who did plunge into depression because people are different we

face trials differently we face death differently.

But uh perhaps you could move on christina with your own uh.

Summary of what you went through.

So it's interesting.

Because my my husband responded very similar to kevin he you know he just

took it very matter of fact um for me it was different um

i experience was very different because we were in the early intervention system for two years

before my daughter was actually diagnosed.

And because she is high functioning um it was such a gray area

until she got older.

And by the time she got older i went into the neurologist hoping for a diagnosis

um because we knew that she needed certain um interventions that she

couldn't be entitled to without the diagnosis.

So i went into the appointment thinking like i was more nervous that

she wasn't going to be bad enough to get a diagnosis.

Um but then it surprised me when i did actually hear the

diagnosis autism spectrum disorder i i felt like i got punched in the gut.

And i was surprised by that reaction because i had been so like logical about the way i was

approaching the whole thing.

But you know as a as a mom i think you i never felt like oh

i wish she was different than how she was.

Or i wish she didn't have this i was more concerned with am i up for the test

am i going to be the mom she needs me to be um and

and it was more about that anxiety of who i am as her mom versus who

she is as my child that that was sort of where the emotions were coming for me.

And i think growing up in the church you know the gospel but the gospel

really came alive to me as we went through the process.

And as my daughter's needs grew bigger than i was able to

provide um to to really learn that like we can't

be perfect.

It's not just that we're sinners like we we're incapable of being perfect in spite

of our best efforts and that that's the whole point the whole point of everything we

believe is that we can't reach the standard that we have to reach

we can't attain it and jesus did it for us.

And i think that's where my comfort became and i learned to

you know to read be the best mom i can but to rest in that

jesus was going to fill in all of the gaps that i had as a mom.

And and those moments where i was just exhausted and maybe lost it when i shouldn't have

or lost my patience or you know whatever that that jesus is

perfect for me became very real.

To me through the process of raising my daughter and doug totter we only have a minute

we only have.

A minute for doug if you could uh wrap up what you'd like to say.

Yes just punched

in the gut feeling

initially as

we did but believing

on baptism of merit

that message is always in the goodness of

god and that's what's gotten us through.

And we had many many frustrating times fighting to get all the services that

you you know seek all the

best.

You know in many ways she's

gotten lord

jesus

christ.

Well

we

have

the website for

grace

reformed

baptist

church

of.

Long island and merrick new york where pastor doug totter is one of two pastors.

That's grace reformed baptist church .com grace reformed baptist

church .com.

The blog site uh that christina miller operates is nurturing

mindfully .com.

Nurturing mindfully .com.

And the website for the radio station where kevin cutrell is the morning host on coffee with kevin.

He's also the program director uh that website is

am570themission .com am570themission .com.

Kevin cutrell and christina miller and pastor doug totter.

It has been a joy having all three of you on the program.

I look forward to having you return as guests in the future.

And i want to thank everybody who listened especially those who wrote in questions.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a far greater savior than

you are a sinner.