Veritas Seminary and More on Rome

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Opening Comments on the Day's Topics

And good afternoon. Welcome to the dividing line on a Thursday afternoon before we return to the discussion of the Matt slick Robertson Janice encounter on the subject. Well, it's supposed to be unmarried ended up being on all sorts of other topics.

Two things I wanted to address. One that was just pointed out to me from the Alliance defense fund Attorneys. The Alliance defense fund filed suit against Augusta State University Wednesday on behalf of a counseling student told that her Christian beliefs are unethical and incompatible with prevailing views.

The counseling profession. The student Jennifer Keaton has been told to stop sharing her beliefs with others and that she must change her beliefs. In order to graduate from the counseling program Augusta State ordered Keaton to undergo a Re-education plan in which she must attend diversity sensitivity training complete additional remedial reading and write papers to describe their impact on her beliefs.

If She does not change her beliefs or agree to the plan the university says it will expel her from the counselor education program. A public university shouldn't be threatened with a Public university student shouldn't be threatened with expulsion for being a Christian refusing to publicly renounce her faith.

That's exactly what's happening here is simply put the university is imposing thought reform said ADF senior counsel David French. Abandoning one's own Religious beliefs should not be a precondition at a public university for obtaining a decree a degree.

This type of leftist zero tolerance policy is in place at far too many universities and it must stop. Jennifer's only crime was to have the beliefs that she does. Keaton 24 is pursuing her master's degree in counseling at Augusta State.

After her professors learned of her biblical beliefs specifically and you know where this is going specifically our views on homosexual conduct. From both classroom discussions and private conversations of the students the school imposed the re-education plan.

Keaton never denigrate anyone in communicating her beliefs. But merely stated factually what they were in appropriate context. The plan assails Keaton's beliefs as inconsistent with the counseling profession.

And expresses suspicion over Jen's ability to be multicultural e competent counselor. Particularly with regard to working with gay lesbian bisexual transgendered and queer questioning GLBTQ populations and quote.

Now listen to this the plan requires her to take steps to change her beliefs Through additional assignments and additional diversity sensitivity training. It also orders her to work to increase exposure and interactions with gay populations.

One such activity Could be attending the gay pride parade in Augusta each month. Keaton is required to complete a report on how the remediation assignments have influenced her beliefs so the faculty can decide the appropriateness of her continuation in the counseling program.

The plan concludes by noting that failure to complete all elements of the remedial plan will result in dismissal from the counselor education program. So ADF has filed the complaint motion for preliminary injunction, etc, etc.

And we will see what happens with that the the left Hates the gospel and the left does not want a multicultural Pluralistic society they want their views and their views only to have freedom of speech.

Others must be suppressed and must be on a way with that is the left. We learned that in the Barry Lynn situation folks in 2001 when you debate a man who had testified before Congress that child pornography was a First Amendment, right and Then he attempts to use the law to suppress the publicly made videotapes that he knew were being made of an embarrassing debate.

That he loses on the same subject. Well That's when I learned right up close and personal that free speech is only for the leftists it's not for anybody else very very interesting second thing that we need to address before we get back to our topic today is the Veritas evangelical seminary statement regarding dr. Ergen canner.

I'm I missed this my my channel rats and Twitter partners. Failed me on this one. Nobody. Nobody directed me this direction. So I just discovered it yesterday. Right the same time I was watching The video from which I made the montage of video clips that I posted last evening.

Which is nothing but classic canner. Post 9 -11 classic post 9 -11 canner. It is a mythology. He created its purposeful, but it is a mythology and You know each one would have a little additional thing, you know.

He this was the most I had heard him talk about his multiple why his dad's multiple wives. Calling his dad a polygamist the Abraham lie where you identify these other wives as sisters. So you can get them into the into the country.

The whole nine yards that was the most I had heard of of that one and I imagine if if more people you know, most of us have regular lives so we don't do this all the time, but I Imagine if if more people dug into more video and more audio, it's out there.

We get even wilder stuff. It's out there. Once arrogant got into this into the myth-making zone. He just couldn't hold back. He I guess he loved to watch people just hang on his every word and. So that's what he did.

So anyway July 1st this was posted. Thank you for your inquiry regarding. Dr. Aaron Cantor. I bet you they've been getting a few as far as VES. That's Veritas evangelical seminary is concerned. Our policy regarding adjunct professors to base any disciplinary decision on the professor's homeschool investigation conclusions on moral and or theological matters such as these.

Liberty University is conducting an exhaustive independent investigation of these charges and as and issued their conclusions in a June 29th 2010 statement as follows. And they give the statement once again, that's just as bogus as the day is long.

Liberty did not do an independent investigation. I mean, it's just absurd. How can you say Liberty, I mean that would be like saying that You know the Justice Department does an independent investigation of one of its own baloney that there wasn't any outside organization that did this investigation wasn't Either exhaustive nor independent and everybody knows it.

Say things like this what it makes any rational person just chuckle, you know. That's just that that's silly, you know, that'd be like BP putting out a statement that we Investigated this and it was an exhaustive independent investigation who did the investigation BP did but it's independent.

That's good. I love it anyway, then we have this statement after the. Now it's interesting. I am noticing here. Dr. Cantor will remain on the faculty of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary as a professor, but he's not teaching.

The latest information I have right now is that he's not teaching he's not listed for any classes. Now that may change. Maybe they're gonna have him do something special this year. You know do a whole series on being the real you I Don't know but.

Then it says here's the VES statement since dr. Cantor's conversion testimony was validated. Really? Really? I can't even get past that it was validated. Well He he was a Muslim we became a Christian well, you know what no other than other than Muhammad Khan.

And maybe one of the first I can think of that's not been the issue. The question has been the whole Mythology and you catch the new the new element of the mythology in the video that I put up yesterday.

That his madrasa now we had a madrasa at one point. I'm pretty certain in Turkey, but now. In this one the September 22nd 2006. So this is only a few weeks. This was less than a month before we were supposed to be having our debate at Liberty University, that's what made it somewhat interesting to listen to because this was less than a month out.

There's supposed to be October 16th as I recall. So this was September 22nd Southern California at an Assemblies of God Church. He makes the claim that his madrasa that he trained in a madrasa in Beirut Beirut Lebanon, so now we have to come up with evidence that Ergen Kanner citizen of, Ohio.

Going to school and in in, Ohio. Buckeye, I know there's lots of Buckeyes training in madrasas in Beirut. Oh. You have to laugh anymore because just so sad. That so many people are absolutely falling on their swords for this man.

When anybody could just look at the facts and go, excuse me, but did you notice a little something about this? Since Dr. Kanner's conversion testimony was validated not about living in Turkey and not about speaking in broken English at his conversion and All the rest that stuff that wasn't validated actually.

But well, you know, he was a Muslim and became a Christian. So I guess it's a he was not charged with any legal moral malintent or theological heresy. So lying about all this stuff is not a moral issue.

Only misstatements common to all speakers for which he has apologized. VES will be retaining Dr. Kanner as a valued adjunct faculty member and regular speaker at VES conferences in light of these findings VES considers.

Dr. Kanner exonerated from all charges when when you have entire evangelical seminaries. Doing the ostrich thing publicly in print to be forever seen all for political reasons you just. You just yeah, you want to beat your head on the on on a wall to feel better.

It's just. Yeah, someone and someone in channel just said how could you misspeak about Beirut. I was true is there Beirut, Ohio? You know, I'd like to think that some of these people are just so completely ignorant of the facts they they refuse To look at the facts.

They refuse to listen to the videos. They won't look at the documentation. They won't even click on a link to to read stuff on a website. Maybe Maybe we could say that for some of them. But the fact the matter is folks, this is just willful ignorance just willful ignorance.

When VES when Veritas, you know the very name Veritas when truth evangelical seminary remember Here and and squirrel gave us this one. Remember that the Russian word for truth is Pravda. Now anybody that remembers Pravda Is now making a direct connection to Pravda evangelical seminary.

Because Pravda you're too young to remember this rookies on the board today and Those of us who lived during the Cold War Pravda was the primary organ of the Communist Party in Russia. So Pravda would be the the the rag that would tell you.

You know after the Russians had just totally screwed up a space launch that it was a glorious thing and all was successful. Okay, that's Pravda so Now we have the Pravda evangelical seminary. Telling us dr. Cantor was exonerated from all charges, which is why he is no longer team in the seminary and not teaching I I I Am left Speechless and dumbfounded by the ability of people To abuse the English language and to just ignore the facts that are right before them absolutely positively amazing.

So true at Pravda is truth in Polish too. Well, that's interesting. I had no idea but that's interesting as As more information comes light and it will folks you just you just got to realize it will. The Internet's a big place and When you stand in front of audiences from from any time from 2001 onward.

With that microphone in your hand, it's being recorded and Once it gets on the net it never goes away. You just can't do damage control. Oh, I know they're going around the net. They're trying to pull stuff down the very fact they're doing so tells you what the real story here is.

When one side is having to ransack the net trying to find stuff to pull down. Get rid of it. Hide it. That's why I call this a massive evangelical cover-up. That's what it is. It's a massive evangelical cover-up.

Absolutely amazing. Absolutely amazing now mutato and channel just said truth and German is brought worst and that is not true. That's just not that's just that's just nice to be stitch name. Truth in Norwegian is ludicrous.

Well, that's that that might be the food of truth. But That may be the way you prove you are Norwegian is by eating it by eating ludicrous, but It does not. That's not the word for truth. No doesn't work that way.

Well, anyway, I had to address that because I don't I don't know what else to say. I mean you just I mean Veritas puts out it keeps doing these discernment conferences. May I suggest they stop doing discernment conferences until they figure out what discernment is.

I've made this point before I'll keep making again. We have significantly more documentation in the form of obviously in the form of video and audio recordings and in legal documentation. Regarding the lies of Ernie Cantor then we have about the lies of Joseph Smith.

So why do they condemn Joseph Smith? Why weren't these just misstatements of Joseph Smith about the first vision? Well, because he was a heretic and Ernie Cantor says true things. May I suggest you it's there's can make an argument that it's more dangerous To be a non heretic liar than a heretical one.

Because I've said many times most offensive things I've listened to in regards to Ernie Cantor is when he joins his myth-making with the gospel and He almost always does the lies about Shabir Ali when he You know what?

He was doing if you listen to the sound clip carefully. He was talking about the Atonement and He was talking about the necessity of the Atonement what he was saying about the necessity the tome was important and it's true.

And then he couches it in the in the poisonous atmosphere and soup of lies and Evidently, that's okay. Because that's theological leverage as Elmer Towns put it amazing stuff amazing stuff. I Just I I don't know what to say, but I posted earlier today an article I Summoned a channel just said Joseph Smith trained in Beirut.

Well, okay. There's connection. We got figured out now Joseph Smith trained in Beirut and Yeah, you do you do have to laugh a little bit given you know how much Nastiness has been sent my direction. There are a few things.

I don't think there's anything I've done in my ministry that has resulted in more personal nastiness from people who call themselves Christians Than to simply sit here and say, excuse me folks. We've got a liar in the flock and he's refusing to repent and Now I'm having to go and we got a bunch of other folks Who don't care he's a liar and are helping him to continue to not repent.

And if you do that You're out man you You're a bad man bad man. Can't can't allow that to happen. So two very interesting things right off the top there the Pravda evangelical seminary. And then further evidence of the fact that our society is growing ever more.

Well like Europe and there's a lot of people who like that Christian beliefs you better keep them to yourself. Do not allow them to impact your worldview and your actions. That's what we're being told there.

Amazing stuff on both ends. Amazing stuff in both ends. All right now We were listening to the encounter the initial encounter. I guess there has been another I haven't listened to it and Someone who said that there had been a third encounter between Matt slick and Robertson.

Jenna said that it sounded like at the end. They were gonna have a fourth. Well, I'm not gonna do a regular Review of the Matt slick Bob's and Jenna's show if that's going to become a regular part of Matt slicks Program.

Well, okay that's totally up to him, but I am going to deal with the rest of this encounter and I did want to deal with in the second encounter the second counter didn't get recorded, right? There were places where all sudden it would drop out and and the Janet Mefford show would come in or Something else there's something going on with her.

I don't know. I couldn't figure it out. There wasn't I could do about so it wouldn't be worth going through the whole thing. Is it especially the beginning the context would be hard to follow, but there was one section The material on James 2 and there was one other section in regards to Romans 4 that really need to be dealt with and I will deal with those and Maybe someone might convince me to bother to listen to whatever comes afterwards.

And if there's if it's if it could be edifying if we'd be useful to the Saints. Fine, then I'll I'll do it, but I've got these debates coming up in August. Gonna be in let's see. What's today's 22nd. So next Two weeks two weeks from today, I guess it's two weeks from today is when I leave I'll have to look at my I'll have to look at my calendar didn't bring any here with me, but I Head to New York for the first first week in August back for less than just a few days.

Then go to Detroit for six days I'll be doing a bunch of recording for the Aramaic broadcasting network and be doing Jesus or Muhammad live and so I hope you all will get a chance to watch that and The folks at ABN are very nice to Give me that stuff.

You know what? I just realized I haven't gotten the shake-a-wall debate. I need to write to them say hey, we need the shake-a-wall debate. We need to get that thing up and Then a very home for a few days and then back to New York for a debate with Chris Ferrara.

Let me just mentioned. I did mention this in a blog article a couple days ago. I was supposed to debate father Peter Stravinsky's. When we forwarded the standard information about videotaping To Peter Stravinsky's he said unacceptable no need for discussion.

We took that as a complete forget it I'm not interested in the debate. Just this afternoon got word. He's asking. Well, where are we with the debate and we've already gotten somebody else to the debate and Just to understand what what Pierce Ravinskis is demanding is that he gets to choose What goes on YouTube and what doesn't he has final veto, right?

And I'm like, um, no. You get an unedited master and you can do with it what you want and we get an unedited master and we can do it. What we want and if you don't like what we do with it. Then if you think somehow we're messing it up or we're editing or changing it.

You have the unedited master you can put it up and make us look like the idiots. We would be for doing something. That's stupid what we've done this with everybody and This is the first time I've had anybody actually have the audacious idea to demand that we get final say I Determine what you can and cannot post on YouTube, which would mean nothing we get posted on YouTube, obviously so.

That's what derailed that so, you know, I don't know what's gonna happen that I just wrote back to Peter Stravinsky's and I said look Here's the facts. We posted three clips from the debate. One was I think seven some odd minutes ones eight odd minutes.

One is one minute and 42 seconds. The one minute and 42 second one is an entire audience question. It starts with the guy at the mic. He says his question Stravinsky's answers I answer and it cuts before you go to the next question it gave the entirety of the thing there is the idea that any of it is out of context is absurd on its face and We have made the Stravinsky's debate, I mean I'll go in channel.

We've got a guy in channel who has the entire Stravinsky's debate memorized in Polish. Did you know that? Most people don't know that about go. I Mean, it's obvious that he has almost every one of my debates memorized in English, but that was not enough for Algo.

Algo had to memorize the entire Stravinsky and you should hear Algo's impersonation of Stravinsky's in Polish. It is classic. It's just incredible. The man's the man's amazing. I'm on Zyrtec so I I'm fighting a one of those 36 48 hour Sinus things and so I'm on Zyrtec.

So I can I can just say whatever I'll go the man the myth. Yeah. Anyhow better than better than crying I guess so That's the last week in August. Excuse me, I didn't get to the cough drop fast enough.

Cuz see I've got his cough drop here and I can just and I just disappear and I and then I come back and it's sort of fun. And we can cough without doing that in your ear then we go back to the end of August and we have the Chris Farrar debate on the Immaculate conception sinlessness of Mary and then the debate with mr. Silverman on atheism, which I think it's gonna be pretty weird because We kept the same topic as we're gonna have with Christopher Hitchens but the only reason that we had chosen that topic was Christopher Hitchens was to get Christopher Hitchens to finally deal with something biblical and the American atheists are An interesting group.

I've started listening to some of Mr. Silverman stuff and let's just say I haven't changed a whole lot since I first ran into them in the 1980s and It's gonna be a barn burner. I'm sure so but you know, that's life.

That's actually could put me right at. That might be like debate number 100. I need to go through them all again. And you know, it all depends on how you count debates and stuff like that as to which ones which and blah blah blah blah but Because I was pretty certain that the price debate which will be available soon the DVD is finished.

We're shooting for an August 1st date on that The because we were co-releasing it was CRI at the same time so we're shooting for that we really really are. My thought was that was the 96th I had done so with the shake of all debate and these debates and stuff like that.

We should be right around 1100 for that which which is an amazing thing. That's not. When that phone ring phone rang in our little offices our little rundown offices in 1990 over on Camelback Road, and it was Jerry Matitix of Catholic answers calling.

Challenging me to do a debate in light of my book the fatal flaw which had just come out from crown publications. Little did anybody know What that was going to? Result it's not that I hadn't been doing stuff similar to that I've been on I mean I did a lot of people a lot of people especially people over in LA would know about Tom Likas.

Tom Likas is a shock jock over there and He was in Phoenix for years, and I was on the Tom Likas show. I think 12 times in fact when I was talking about the American atheist I was on with the representative the national representative American atheist Brian Lynch who?

Was that scary that was one of the scariest radio encounters I've ever had. I'll tell you this story then we'll then the the break will come up. We'll go ahead and do the break today because you know my science is because used to use that Let me tell you let me tell it's it's story time with with James here I had heard Brian Lynch on with with Tom Likas.

He had been on with some other Christian ministers and just the most vile nasty aggressive in-your-face Man that you could ever imagine just insulting. Why don't you Christians go live on an island someplace you people are morons?

I mean just oh wow so when Likas is Producer contacted me and said would you be on with? Brian Lynch I was like man wrap myself in asbestos and get ready for the battle but I thought every other time he had been on by phone and so I get in the studio and Tom says well he should be here pretty soon, so I'm like No, he's gonna be in in studio.

So the door opens up and I'm expecting a fire-breathing six foot seven 350 pound Mass murderer to walk into the studio in walks a guy Rookie, he would not be in your weight class in a wrestling match.

He'd be below you. Okay he's about I Don't know he's short. He's skinny. He's tiny if you soaked him. He might make a hundred pounds and He is Milktoast hi. The wonderful day we have here Boy your weather here is interesting.

You know I mean just this is a nice studio. I'm just I'm just like no Way this is not the guy that I've heard on before there. No, this is not possible and then the microphone turned on and Folks if this wasn't one of the first instances.

I've seen of demonization. The person sitting behind the microphone was completely different than the person before the microphone turned on he's Violently aggressive nasty just everything I had heard before and Then as soon as the microphone would turn off for the commercial break.

It's like Well these lights in here are very interesting. Just come complete personality Difference just just to complete it was like a it was like multiple personality disorder. Really was he has his Personality on the air and then Only you're not your shirt looks nice on you today, but when the things I'm just like whoa I Was only this was I was probably 21, maybe When this happened, I think somewhere around that that age I forget now, but It's like whoa Okay, all right there you go, there's there's the American atheist for you.

It was it was weird. I don't know if he's still around. I haven't I haven't you know done the Google thing. But anyways, let's go ahead and take our our break and then we will come back and we'll dive into the syngenous.

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Oral Tradition, Sola Scriptura, and the Authority of Scripture

Alrighty, let's get back to the discussion between Matt slick and Robertson Janice. We were for those of you who are following along 19 minutes and 27 seconds into the file. I'm actually at 1916. So we're gonna have to suffer through nine seconds that we already listened to before.

I hope we can survive. But that's just what it is, let's pick it back up.

Was Paul teaching oral. Oral teaching to our oral inspired teaching to the Corinthians at this point in time. Oral inspired? I'm not sure you mean by oral. Okay oral teaching that is inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Now where he's going here.

For those of us who have been doing debates with the Roman Catholics on the Zola scripture for many years It'd be text like 1st Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 13, and we also thank God constantly for this.

That when you received the Word of God Which you heard from us you accepted it not as the Word of men But for what it really is the Word of God which also performs its work in you who believe. Now this Word of God would be the message of the gospel Because it talks about it performing its work in you who believe.

The Roman Catholic use of this is that well that what that means is that? The oral preaching of the Apostles was the Word of God and It remained the Word of God, and that's what has been passed down to us through the Episcopate of the church.

The problem of course is That while the oral preaching of the Word of God by the Apostles preaching of the gospel itself Was truly the Word of God where Matt really did not Accomplish what he needed to accomplish in this encounter Was to challenge the assumption made by Roman Catholics that the Content of What they call tradition?

Identical with what the Apostles preached how do we know? What the Apostles preached I submit to you that the only way? We know what the Apostles preached is by what is recorded for us in the New Testament.

There is nothing else as I point out before. Well actually I'll take this back. I point this out on Matt's looks program. The first reference to oral tradition that allegedly came from the Apostles the first time we have anybody saying The Apostles taught me this Was when Irenaeus Makes the claim in writing against the Gnostics that Jesus in essence recapitulated the the stages of man's life and So he wasn't 30 something when he died.

He was older than 50 when he died and Irenaeus claimed that this came from the Apostles that this was an apostolic tradition now I don't know anybody who believes that today Roman Catholic Protestant whoever I don't anybody so There you have the earliest example and the earliest example.

We all Don't think is actually apostolic if if Rome was consistent They would have to have dogmatized to believe that Jesus was over 50 years of age because it's the earliest Apostolic tradition that we actually have and when you come to the specific topic of the bodily assumption of Mary There isn't even a question here even even Juniper Carroll and other Mariologists recognize that this is Found only in the later period of church history the idea that and Remember, he's already I think I'm trying to remember if I'm wrong about this.

He will but my recollection is he's already cited the text from 2nd Thessalonians to hold fast the traditions which were delivered them whether by word of mouth or by letter, so You and this is for everybody.

You can't let anybody whether it's Robertson's answer anybody else get away with misusing these texts and leaping from the idea that the Apostles Faithfully preached the gospel, which was the Word of God to the Apostles taught things that are nowhere found in Scripture and have been passed down in some secret fashion and They can't even show you where these things came from historically and In fact the first place we find them are in heretical documents Gnostic Gospels or Gospels tinged by Gnosticism even if they weren't written by a Gnostic, etc, etc.

We can't you can't let them leap from that and you can't let them get away with citing 2nd Estonia's 215 without saying you need to hear what the text is saying. You have to prove that Thessalonians have been taught these things if you're gonna use this text.

Then what you're saying is the Apostle Paul had delivered to the Thessalonians all of these beliefs. Bodily assumption of Mary bodily assumption of Mary. How could they do that? She may not have been dead yet.

Papal infallibility Immaculate conception. Perpetual virginity all this stuff allegedly if you're gonna use it this way. Now see modern Roman Catholic scholarship realizes we can't prove that and that's why they've come up with these Incredibly wonderfully nebulous definitions of tradition that just sort of you know, they're sort of like a lava lamp.

You know, they just sort of blob around and if you try to push it at certain point The blob just moves away and you know. The rookies doing odd things out there. So they know that but you see the funny thing is the Catholic apologists are trying to defend these Marian things are conservatives and When you quote their scholars who tend to be liberals.

They are very quick to dismiss them as having been infected with modernism and so on so forth. Well fine. There's I I Reject liberal scholarship all the time, but at least I have a consistent basis for doing so when you're Roman Catholic.

It's your own Pope that keeps making these people putting these people on papal biblical commissions. You got a problem there with your alleged Unanimity and all the rest of stuff. So that's where he's going.

He's he's going to text like this to say ah see. This was inspired but it's out what they're trying. They have to try to find some way of proving something's inspired. It's the Word of God outside of Scripture.

That's we're trying to do here. And of course the immediate challenges so you're saying that the bodily assumption of Mary was taught by the Apostles to the Thessalonians and You can prove that to us you can trace this historically and The answer of course is no, I can't do that.

You're not supposed to ask me questions like that, but that's very rarely unfortunately what they get challenged to do. I.

The Burden of Proof and the Meaning of Sola Scriptura

Assuming that the things that you were saying were authoritative. But there's certain oral traditions or certain things that he said that were inspired at the Holy Spirit I would have you probably some things that Paul taught.