August 3, 2018 Show with Tom Niewulis on “Not All Conservatives Are Constitutionalists”

The Program’s Opening and the Meaning of Proverbs 27:17

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arnton, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday on this third day of August 2018 and I'm so delighted to have back as a returning guest today Tom Novolis and he is going to be speaking this time on his book, Not All Conservatives Are Constitutionalists and Tom Novolis is president and CEO of NCDCS Incorporated with over 30 years in business and organizational analysis with experience in strategic planning, financial and organizational management, having delivered business and technical studies and having made presentations at industry conferences in the United States and Europe, a member of the technical advisory boards for emerging companies as well as the Fortune 500, an internationally published writer, a member of the National Association of Corporate Directors and the World Intellectual Property Organization whose studies include the United States Constitution, the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers, Joseph Story's commentaries, Blackstone Locke de Tocqueville, Madison's Notes and the various states ratifying conventions as well as original source writings of Samuel Adams and his contemporaries, the Reformation with an emphasis on the Scottish Reformation, Lex Rex, the Puritans and Covenant, the First Great Awakening and the sermons the founders heard preached.

He is the chair of constitutional economics at Thomas Jefferson Center for Constitutional Studies, he's a board member of We the People Washington, he's the author of The Tale of Two Constitutions and three other books in the works, Depths of Tyranny as Predicted, The Anti-Federalist Got it Right, Liberty to Economy and Rethinking Property Rights Today.

He's a board member of Samuel Adams Center for Political Science and blogger at samueladamsreturns .net. Today we are discussing his book Not All Conservatives are Constitutionalists and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Tom Nevolas.

Thank you, delighted to be here Chris. And I'm sorry if I'm butchering your last name,.

I know that I got it correct the last time but I don't know if I was so providentially.

Blessed this time. You're doing very well, I'm proud of you. Alright thanks. And just to let our.

Listeners know, Tom unfortunately has a sore throat today and may be affecting his patterns of speech but we ask of you that to pray that he gets through the program unscathed and can maintain his voice through the entire two-hour program today.

Well before we go to our topic today Tom I'm going to give our email address for anybody who would like to join us on the air with a question about the United States Constitution and how this has any bearings upon Christianity today and our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com and please give us your first name at least, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

And before we go into the topic tell our listeners something about the Thomas Jefferson Center for Constitutional Studies where you are chair of constitutional economics.

Interesting to some people and most recent and the radio program. Well tell us about the Samuel.

Adams Center. So tell us about the Samuel Adams Center for Political Science. The Samuel Adams.

Center for Political Science has been developed to help the youth understand those foundational principles. Some of what you, again I use that term, sovereignty and so on. Great, I posted, you may.

Have even saw it, I posted a meme on my Facebook page because I really love the quote by Patrick Henry. Patrick Henry who is most known for the quote, give me liberty or give me death. Patrick Henry said in this meme, the Constitution is not a document for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.

Do you agree with that.

Quote? I do. A lot of people, a lot of people make the error of thinking and stating that the.

United States was created as a democracy but that is not correct. In fact a democracy when you boil.

It down to its essence. Isn't it mob rule? Right, this was called, our country was called these United States of America not the United States of America. Correct, yes and it came into that. Yes,.

Well could you also basically summarize exactly how a constitutional republic functions? Obviously even though we were founded as one we don't necessarily function as one today and probably have been drifting away from that for over a century.

But if you could tell us basically in.

Summary form about that. Each having their own concept. Now labels can be confusing, you have.

People identifying themselves with certain labels and they don't necessarily match up what you think that those labels should mean. Our opinions may be formed by stereotypes or misinformation or a bygone error that has lost its meaning today but if you could, if you could give us a summary of the major labels that we use today when it comes to political ideology.

I bring this up obviously because it is inherent to your title, the word conservative. Not all conservatives are constitutionalists and obviously that means many different things to different people. For instance, just one example might be that you might have somebody who has moral and even should I say has biblically moral code, a biblically moral code of ethics.

They are against same-sex marriage, they're against abortion and so on. They would view themselves as conservative but they may unconsciously have an understanding of the strength or power of the government that actually militates against what conservatism once meant and it usually happens and you could correctly, correct me if I'm wrong, is that when you have people who have conservative moral values and social views and so on, when they have someone they favored elected into the White House or other places of authority, they want that particular office bearer, the president for instance, they very often, I'm not saying they always do this but depending upon the person or group, they very often want to heap upon that person that they helped elect with more power than they should constitutionally possess and then later on they regret it when someone who is a liberal or a leftist is elected.

So I mean this.

Can be confusing in regard to these labels, can't it be? What I mean is we try and put things when the words have me. Stay away from political party, guess what? Now I'm gonna have that influence on them.

May we see that today relevant. Yes and also to further distinguish some of the terms that we.

Use, we may have even brought this up in the beginning of our previous interview, but there are many similarities it seems between, and this is ironic, that you have people describing themselves as classically liberal or classic liberals that have more in common with, a lot more in common with conservatives today than they would with what we might normally think of as liberal because what we normally think of as liberal today, they are typically leftists.

They're not really liberals because they are totalitarian in their mindset. They don't want all voices to have an equal say in the public arena. They want control over everything. They are the new champions of censorship.

They want to be the thought police and so on. I mean it's really not liberalism at all. It's really leftism as I said and then you have those that I think Thomas Sowell is even considered a classical liberal if I'm not mistaken, but if you could explain the difference between what typically when people say they're liberal today and a classical liberal and a conservative.

Preserve things. They wanted to preserve government. Don't go back to what we started the program with.

And I remember the last time you took a bit of exception with the concept of libertarianism and I mean it's hard to pinpoint many people including myself when it comes to a political agenda or ideology.

I consider myself a libertarian conservative or a conservative libertarian whichever the way you want to look at it. Although I have to quickly tell people that I also am a pro-life libertarian. I believe that since what I always understood libertarianism to be is that the government should be extremely limited, but one of the certain duties of government is to protect the safety and life of the citizens of the nation where you live and I believe that unborn children are human beings that are deserving of that protection.

So I would be adamantly pro-life. I believe that abortion is murder, but I still believe I seem to be agreeing more and more with my libertarian friends who are of a more conservative or should I say a clearly Christian a version of libertarianism that the right to life needs to be a primary focus in the realm of politics.

But if you could comment on why is it that you look you frown upon.

That phrase or even that ideology libertarian? Well I think it again it comes. We're all morality if we look at nation in that respect. And the anti-fascist parties or these. So everything that you're describing yourself as I would offer to you within that palinda what describes you.

Whatever. Instead of taking and saying no these are the fundamentals that were given to us. And if we're going to have law they're all about pro-life. But then I'm not sure where my economics.

Fall in all of that. Yeah I would think that by definition a libertarian would be fiscally very conservative and believe in very limited government spending etc. Yes. I know the other thing that I have to say that I am in disagreement with libertarians that I see in the limelight of the media that will be against secure borders and things like that.

I think that that is a suicidal libertarians because for people that love freedom and liberty so much they are putting those things at risk by letting anybody come in to the nation where you live because you are really putting the very liberties you cherish at risk.

I mean if we were to have a totally borderless society we could very well become under sharia law at some point in the future and there goes your liberties that you love so much. So I mean it just seems to be insane to me to be because that I think goes under one of the limited areas where the government is required is to protect the citizens in our own nation and from behind our borders.

Whereas I am assuming that you would agree that the conservatives that have redefined what that means and have become war hawks and have involved our nation in foreign conflicts where we really don't belong that would be not only a violation of libertarianism but wouldn't it be a violation of what our founding fathers conceived as a right form of government in relationship to countries abroad?

Correct.

Neoconservatism, Foreign Policy, and the Limits of Government

Totalitarian position moving to socialism moving to. Are you talking about Ronald Reagan by any chance? No, no, no, no it wasn't Ronald Reagan. He was a brother. We're going to a break right now.

If you want to look that up but that's not essential but we are going to a break right now. Yeah I want to learn more about the neocons that we hear a lot about. It's funny because sometimes I hear the word neocon coming from the lips of people that other conservatives call neocons, you know what I'm saying?

I'm seeing and hearing people that have been described as neocons disparagingly calling other people neocons but we'll go more in depth in that after we return from this break. If anybody would like to join us on the air and we do have a number of people already waiting to have their questions asked and answered but if anybody else would like to join them if you want to get in line our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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The thread of neocons. Yes, I did find it, and he explains everything that he did. Influencer creating such, and going earlier, and so forth. One of us to be expert, then call Ryan a constitutional conservative.

Well, if you could, before we go to any of our listener questions,.

Give a summary of exactly the kind of conservativism that disturbs you, that you have apprehensions over, to put it mildly perhaps, that you believe are perhaps conservative in name, but they are not truly constitutionalist.

Tell us about this phenomenon that you were talking about.

Specifically. Yeah, I even have friends that are so disgusted with the state of.

The government in the United States today, that they don't, even though you might call them conservatives, because of the fact that they adhere to biblical morality, and believe in a limited government, but they are so disgusted with the state of politics in the United States, that they don't want to call themselves conservatives, because they will say, perhaps partially tongue-in-cheek, there's nothing left to conserve.

You better look at it in its whole context, the preaching is in America, termination of...

Biblical Morality, Constitutional Government, and the Labels Conservative and Liberal

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But Pastor Bennett says, to what extent did framers of the Constitution want biblical morality to guide federal and state.

Laws? And the expectation was, which enlightenment kind of took, and by maybe churches...

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But these speakers include John Piper, Stephen Lawson, whose voice you just heard in the ad for New Covenant Church, NYC, our new sponsor. Votie Balcom, Conrad M. Bayway, the pastor of Kibwata Baptist Church in Lusaka, Zambia, Africa, my favorite preacher of all.

Tim Challies, Phil Johnson, who is the executive director of John MacArthur's ministry, Grace to You. Josh Bice, the founder of the G3 Conference. Todd Friel of Wretched TV and Wretched Radio, who was our guest yesterday on Iron Sharpens Iron.

Stephen J. Nichols, who is the president of Reformation Bible College, the college founded by R .C. Sproul and Ligonier Ministries, and many more are on that lineup. If you would like to register, go to g3conference .com, g3conference .com, and you can register not only to be an attendee, but you can register to have your own exhibitor's booth there, as I will have, God willing.