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Not All Conservatives Are Constitutionalists and Tom Novolis

is president and CEO of NCDCS Incorporated with over 30 years in

business and organizational analysis with experience in strategic

planning, financial and organizational management, having delivered business and technical studies and having

made presentations at industry conferences in the United States and Europe, a member of the technical

advisory boards for emerging companies as well as the Fortune 500, an internationally

published writer, a member of the National Association of Corporate Directors and the World Intellectual

Property Organization whose studies include the United States Constitution, the Federalist and

Anti -Federalist Papers, Joseph Story's commentaries, Blackstone Locke

de Tocqueville, Madison's Notes and the various states

ratifying conventions as well as original source writings of Samuel Adams and his contemporaries, the

Reformation with an emphasis on the Scottish Reformation, Lex Rex, the Puritans and Covenant,

the First Great Awakening and the sermons the founders heard preached.

He is the chair of constitutional economics at Thomas Jefferson Center for

Constitutional Studies, he's a board member of We the People Washington, he's the

author of The Tale of Two Constitutions and three other books in the works, Depths of Tyranny

as Predicted, The Anti -Federalist Got it Right, Liberty to Economy and Rethinking Property

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He's a board member of Samuel Adams Center for Political Science and blogger

at samueladamsreturns .net.

Today we are discussing his book Not All Conservatives are Constitutionalists and it's my honor and privilege to

welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Tom Nevolas.

Thank you, delighted to be here Chris.

And I'm sorry if I'm butchering your last name,.

I know that I got it correct the last time but I don't know if I was so providentially.

Blessed this time.

You're doing very well, I'm proud of you.

Alright thanks.

And just to let our.

Listeners know, Tom unfortunately has a sore throat today and may be affecting his patterns

of speech but we ask of you that to pray that he gets through the program unscathed

and can maintain his voice through the entire two -hour program today.

Well before we go to our topic today Tom I'm going to give our email address for anybody who would like to join us on

the air with a question about the United States Constitution and how this has any

bearings upon Christianity today and our

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please give us your first name at least, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live

outside the USA.

And before we go into the topic tell our listeners something about the Thomas Jefferson Center

for Constitutional Studies where you are chair of constitutional economics.

Interesting to some people

and most recent

and the

radio program.

Well tell us

about

the Samuel.

Adams Center.

So tell us about the Samuel Adams Center for Political Science.

The Samuel Adams.

Center for Political Science has been developed to help the youth

understand those foundational principles.

Some of what you,

again I use that

term,

sovereignty

and so

on.

Great, I

posted,

you

may.

Have even saw it, I posted a meme on my Facebook page because I really love

the quote by Patrick Henry.

Patrick Henry who is most known for the quote, give me liberty or

give me death.

Patrick Henry said in this meme, the Constitution is not a document for the government to

restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain

the government.

Do you agree with that.

Quote?

I do.

A lot

of

people, a lot

of

people make the

error of

thinking

and stating

that

the.

United States was created as a democracy but that is not correct.

In fact a democracy when you boil.

It down to its essence.

Isn't it mob rule?

Right,

this was

called, our country

was called these United States of America not the

United States of America.

Correct, yes and it came into that.

Yes,.

Well could you also basically summarize exactly how a

constitutional republic functions?

Obviously even though we were founded as one we don't necessarily function as one today and

probably have been drifting away from that for over a century.

But if you could tell us basically in.

Summary

form

about

that.

Each

having

their

own

concept.

Now

labels

can

be confusing,

you have.

People identifying themselves with certain labels and they don't necessarily match up what you

think that those labels should mean.

Our opinions may be formed by stereotypes or misinformation or a bygone error that

has lost its meaning today but if you could, if you could

give us a summary of the major labels that we use today when it comes to political

ideology.

I bring this up obviously because it is inherent to your

title, the word conservative.

Not all conservatives are constitutionalists and obviously that means many different things to different people.

For instance, just one example might be that

you might have somebody who has moral and even should I

say has biblically moral code, a biblically moral code of

ethics.

They are against same -sex marriage, they're against abortion and so on.

They would view themselves as conservative but they may

unconsciously have an understanding of the strength or power of

the government that actually militates against what conservatism

once meant and it usually happens and you could correctly, correct me if I'm

wrong, is that when you have people who have conservative moral values and

social views and so on, when they have

someone they favored elected into the White House or other places of authority,

they want that particular office bearer, the president for

instance, they very often, I'm not saying they always do this but depending upon the person or group,

they very often want to heap upon that person that they helped elect with more power

than they should constitutionally possess and then later on they regret it when someone who is a

liberal or a leftist is elected.

So I mean this.

Can

be

confusing

in regard

to these

labels,

can't it

be?

What I mean is

we

try

and put things

when the

words

have me.

Stay

away

from

political party,

guess what?

Now I'm

gonna

have that

influence on them.

May we

see that

today

relevant.

Yes and

also

to

further

distinguish

some

of

the

terms

that

we.

Use, we may have even brought this up in the beginning of our previous interview,

but there are many similarities it seems between, and this is

ironic, that you have people describing themselves as classically

liberal or classic liberals that have more in common with, a lot more in common with conservatives

today than they would with what we might normally think of as liberal because what we

normally think of as liberal today, they are typically leftists.

They're not really liberals because they are totalitarian in their mindset.

They don't want all voices to have an equal say in the public arena.

They want control over everything.

They are the new champions of censorship.

They want to be the thought police and so on.

I mean it's really not liberalism at all.

It's really leftism as I said and then you have those that I think Thomas Sowell is even considered a classical

liberal if I'm not mistaken, but if you could explain the difference between what

typically when people say they're liberal today and a classical liberal and a conservative.

Preserve

things.

They

wanted

to

preserve

government.

Don't

go

back

to what

we

started

the

program with.

And I remember the last time you took a bit of exception with the

concept of libertarianism and I mean it's hard

to pinpoint many people including myself when it comes to

a political agenda or ideology.

I consider myself a libertarian conservative or a

conservative libertarian whichever the way you want to look at it.

Although I have to quickly tell people that I also am a pro -life

libertarian.

I believe that since what I always understood libertarianism to be is that the

government should be extremely limited, but one of the certain duties of

government is to protect the safety and life of the citizens of the nation

where you live and I believe that unborn children are human beings that are

deserving of that protection.

So I would be adamantly pro -life.

I believe that abortion is murder, but I still believe I seem to be agreeing more and more with

my libertarian friends who are of a more conservative or should I say a clearly

Christian a version of libertarianism that the

right to life needs to be a primary focus in the realm of politics.

But if you could comment on why is it that you look you frown upon.

That phrase or even that ideology

libertarian?

Well I think it again it

comes.

We're all morality

if

we look

at

nation in

that

respect.

And the

anti -fascist parties

or these.

So

everything that you're describing

yourself as

I would offer to

you

within that

palinda

what

describes

you.

Whatever.

Instead of taking and saying no these are the fundamentals that were given to us.

And if we're going to have

law they're all

about

pro -life.

But then

I'm

not

sure where my

economics.

Fall in all of that.

Yeah I would think that by definition a libertarian would be fiscally

very conservative and believe in very limited government spending etc.

Yes.

I know the other thing that I have to say that I am in disagreement with

libertarians that I see in the limelight of the media that

will be against secure borders and things like that.

I think that that is a suicidal libertarians because for people that love

freedom and liberty so much they are putting those things at risk by letting anybody come in

to the nation where you live because you are really putting the very liberties you cherish

at risk.

I mean if we were to have a totally borderless society we could very well become under sharia

law at some point in the future and there goes your liberties that you love so much.

So I mean it just seems to be insane to me to be because that I think goes under one of

the limited areas where the government is required is to protect the citizens in

our own nation and from behind our borders.

Whereas I am assuming that you would agree that the

conservatives that have redefined what that means and have become war hawks and have

involved our nation in foreign conflicts where we really don't belong that would

be not only a violation of libertarianism but wouldn't it be a violation of what our founding

fathers conceived as a right form of government in relationship to countries abroad?

Correct.

Totalitarian position moving to socialism moving

to.

Are you

talking about

Ronald

Reagan

by

any

chance?

No, no, no, no it wasn't Ronald Reagan.

He was a brother.

We're going to a break

right now.

If you want to look that up but that's not essential but we are going to a break right now.

Yeah I want to learn more about the neocons that we hear a lot about.

It's funny because sometimes I hear the word neocon coming from the lips of people

that other conservatives call neocons, you know what I'm saying?

I'm seeing and hearing people that have been described as neocons disparagingly calling other people neocons

but we'll go more in depth in that after we return from this break.

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The

thread of

neocons.

Yes, I did find it, and he

explains everything that

he

did.

Influencer creating such,

and

going

earlier,

and

so

forth.

One

of us

to

be expert,

then

call

Ryan a

constitutional conservative.

Well, if

you could,

before

we go to

any

of our

listener

questions,.

Give a summary of exactly the kind of conservativism that

disturbs you, that you have apprehensions over,

to put it mildly perhaps, that you believe are perhaps conservative

in name, but they are not truly constitutionalist.

Tell us about this phenomenon that you were talking about.

Specifically.

Yeah,

I even

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friends

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are

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state

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The government in the United States today, that they don't, even though you might call them conservatives, because of the

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conservatives, because they will say, perhaps partially tongue -in -cheek, there's nothing left to

conserve.

You better look at it in its whole context,

the

preaching

is in America,

termination of...

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But Pastor Bennett says, to what extent did framers of the

Constitution want biblical morality to guide federal and state.

Laws?

And the

expectation

was,

which

enlightenment

kind of

took,

and

by

maybe

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chrisarnson at gmail .com.

And Tom we have a number of listeners here waiting for their questions to be

asked and answered.

We have Joey in Clifton, New Jersey and Joey

in Clifton, New Jersey says, I am wondering if you can comment on

how in personal discussion we can rightly draw some lines in the sand

in terms of which political camps are simply not consistent with

biblical Christianity.

For example, although we should acknowledge the possibility of a counter

example, I believe we can say that the modern United States Democratic Party should

generally not be supported by Christians simply because they almost universally stand for moral

principles such as abortion, same -sex marriage, that are contrary to scripture and the

practice of faithful Christianity.

I am wondering, do you openly and clearly rule out certain parties and affiliations in the way

I just stated or do you approach communication differently?

In your answer, assume this is not simply party labeling, assume that you are able to discuss the principles

you stand for and why before telling them what party or affiliation may be inappropriate.

Interesting question, but you may, once in a blue moon, I'm not saying this would be a common thing, but you may wind up

having an election, especially a local election, but it might be even a presidential election,

where you have a Democrat who is pro -life running against a

Republican who might be conservative in many ways but is pro -choice.

I mean, those things do happen.

Governor George Pataki was a pro -abortionist.

In fact, I don't know if he's changed his opinion.

I haven't heard that he changed his opinion, but our president's attorney, Rudy Giuliani,

he was infamously pro -abortion when running for mayor and while serving as mayor,

he was in favor of all kinds of gay rights.

This was prior, I believe, to the same -sex marriage issue coming about, but there are a lot of

people who are Republicans and even would call themselves conservatives who could care less

about a baby being ripped apart in its mother's womb.

So, it's not as easy as one might think, but if you could respond directly to our listener, Joe

in Clifton, New Jersey.

Well,

Joe

would be

associated

to us

as well.

For

sole purpose,

neither will

secure the

liberty and happiness of the people whose manners are

universal

to an office

of...

upon

a man

to hear men declaim loudly

upon liberty who, if we may judge

by their

whole

tenor,

nothing's

new

when it

comes

to...

we're

not

even

going

to...

Now, obviously, you, from your answer, you don't think that a Christian could be

attached to the Democratic Party in any way, shape, or form, or the Democrat Party, but

that doesn't mean necessarily that the Republican Party is always the answer because, as I just said, there

are quite a number of Republicans who might be fiscally conservative or they may be

wearing the name conservative for some particular agenda, but they don't care at all about the life of

the unborn.

They don't care at all about sexual morality, biblical morality.

In fact, once again, Rudy Giuliani, not only was he a pro -abortionist

when he was running and serving as mayor of New York City, but he also marched in the gay rights

parade.

He, I'm assuming unknowingly, when he was marching in the gay rights parade, was

marching right next to the Nambla float, the North American man -love

-boy -whatever -the -heck -it's -called, the pedophile float.

So, in fact, even recently, it was interesting how Rudy Giuliani phrased it when he was asked about

some female comedian's disgusting and satanic jokes about abortion.

It was interesting to hear Rudy Giuliani's response.

He said, oh, that's so horrible.

How could you joke about the massacre of all those embryos?

He actually used the word embryos and massacre in the same term, rather than children or unborn children.

I'm not necessarily saying that he hasn't changed, but to me that was a very, that was a softened.

Way of reacting to it, if

you ask me.

I agree.

I don't even

bother

with

the

constitution.

We have conservatism.

It's a

constitution

if you

have

that,

right?

Federalists

got it.

Easing up those,

all of what we have

not in that public

system,

no matter what

their label is,

vegan, democrat, or whatever they

are.

Many, many

pulpits,

sermons from our foundation, they address what liberty

is in Jesus Christ, and how

that transcends then, number one, that

becomes a greater

discussion.

Amen.

Well, I wanted to

just give a little plug.

To a documentary that you can see online for free when it comes to abortion, Mafa

21.

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So it's a non -partisan, politically

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sides of the.

Aisle when it comes to the murder

of

the

unborn.

Absolutely.

As

you're

pointing

out,

just about warfare.

And when people get hung up on a political party, they're missing

the point of liberty.

The only

way it can

be is giving

them...

We've got to go to our

final break right

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Oh, my guest got cut off.

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Welcome back, and I believe that we have Tom Nivolos back on the phone.

Tom?

We are.

I don't know what happened, but anyway, the main thing is you're back.

We have Michael in Rocky Mount, North Carolina, who asks, in the early 1980s,

I read the Constitution was originally a Trinitarian document that could not be

agreed on.

I do not know the source and have been unable to find any truth to this.

In

there, when

we

see that

break

forming almost immediately to

play it out.

Okay, well, Michael, you've won a free copy of Not All Conservatives Are

Constitutionalists.

And by the way, I don't know if I mentioned it to Joe in Clifton, New Jersey, you also won a copy of the book.

So please make sure we have your mailing address, both of you, so that CVBBS .com can ship

those books out to you.

We have Casey, originally from Davao City in the

Philippines, now living in Kannapolis, North Carolina.

And Casey asks, how can we make more American pastors more

educated on political matters and Christian worldview in order for them to

train and teach their people?

As the pastor goes, so goes the church, Casey.

That's an interesting question, because we do have a divide amongst even the most conservative of churches

as to how much political input our churches as an institution should have, not talking

about individual Christians, but John MacArthur, one of my modern day heroes, has very

strict ideas on the separation of political

agenda and the gospel of Christ.

And so you have all kinds of views in between.

You have churches that have presidential or should I say political candidates

candidating from their own pulpits and so on.

So what is your view on this?

How can we make more American pastors more educated on political matters and Christian worldview, which I think can be

a separate issue, Christian worldview,.

In order

for

them

to

train

and

teach

their people?

Well, thank

you,

Casey.

Give

us

your.

Full mailing address in Kannapolis, North Carolina, and we'll have cvbbs

.com ship that out to you.

We'll ship out the copy of Not All Conservatives Are Constitutionalists.

We have Joe in Slovenia.

Dear Brother Chris, thanks for another great topic and guest.

Is it the case that the reason not all conservatives are constitutionalists is due at least in part to the

fact that many are not committed to accepting authoritative standards of truth

outside themselves, i .e. the constitution, but rather prefer to rely on their own subjective

experience, intuition, reasoning, and plain selfish pragmatism, etc.?

Is it true that we can live in the same way?

Is it true that we can, I'm sorry, is it true that we can in the same way explain why not all

conservative Christians are biblicists, but rather mix scripture with pietism, fundamentalism,

and revivalism?

Sure.

I'd share the question with yes.

And it really comes down to

one

night says there's

nothing new

under the sun.

And thank you

very

much, Joe.

Thank

you also for providing an American address in Georgia,.

Where your daughter lives, so that cvbbs .com can ship All Conservatives Are Not

Constitutionalists out to you without the overseas shipping cost.

Thank you very much.

And everybody, it seems in politics, claims to

be some kind of a constitutionalist.

You have the most left wing of political candidates or

elected officials talking about how often they think President

Trump or conservatives or Republicans are violating the Constitution.

So you're wondering how could both sides of the aisle be so aggressively, at least in their

words, claiming to be faithful to the Constitution?

Now, could it be that the dividing line here is whether you are an originalist and

whether you view the Constitution as a living document?

Comes again

from an

ideal I

can manipulate every

tuition.

Before we run out of time, I want you to have five minutes of uninterrupted time where you can speak freely

and unburden your heart and mind to leave with our audience what you most want etched in.

Their hearts and minds before this program is over.

I think real quick is that as the questions, especially the last questions

went through

to

the

idea

that we

have to have

this sovereignty.

Well, we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who asks,

Can your guests be bold enough to identify by name, prominent political figures that

he believes are conservatives but not constitutionalists?

So right off the top of my head, you

know, I go

right

down and I never did finish the story.

We don't have time to go to

a constitution.

So we're not just talking about at a national level.

We're talking about all the way to the local level.

Anytime someone raises their hand, even in the bureaucracies have to take an oath to the Constitution.

We have John in Bangor, Maine, who asks,.

There is even disagreement amongst pro -life Christians as to whether there should

be a an amendment to the Constitution, specifically and more clearly

prohibiting the crime of infanticide, i .e. abortion.

What is your guest's opinion on this?

It is article

five of a call for

they made with Roe

versus something that is determined at the state level, which,

you know,

when I

first

heard

about

that

concept.

Years ago when Ron Paul was promoting that

idea, I was upset at first because I thought it was a softer approach to infanticide,

the nation's worst crime, if you will.

But then I didn't even realize this at the time when I first reacted in that negative way.

I had since found out that murder is a state crime.

It's a crime against the state.

And there's only a certain a few certain.

Yeah, there are always there are a few things that make murder a federal crime,

but the murder in general is a is a crime against the state and is a state issue.

I didn't know that before.

That's correct.

So so therefore, that's what a lot of people.

Don't know.

That's the whole thing is we don't understand the functioning of a republic.

And because what happened, as I say, it's the Hamiltonian effect has finally taken effect in

states are all glop

glopped in to a national.

Let's see

here.

We have Kathy and Suffolk County,.

Long Island, who says, How can I purchase your books?

I googled Tom Novolis online, and I could not find the

source of where to purchase his books anywhere.

And also, there are a couple of other websites that we

have here.

The Samuel Adams Center for Political Science.

Let's not forget that their website is s a c p s .org.

S a c p s .org.

That's the Samuel Adams Center for Political Science.

Now you mentioned Samuel Adams return .com.

But.

We have also Samuel Adams returns

.net.

Is

that

a different website?

Both Samuel Adams returns .com.

And Samuel Adams returns .net.

Also, I want to thank you so much, Tom, for being on the show.

Again, I want to thank all of our listeners, who especially who wrote in

questions.

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