Can a Christian lose their salvation

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All right, welcome to Grace Covenant podcast. We are a podcast that's here to you know to commission the people to go to church and grow in holiness now, so our podcast is a

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You know basically set for two for one purpose and that is to have a theology discussion

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We want to talk theology and we do want to encourage People to be involved in the local church because we believe that this is how what

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God uses to grow us in holiness and so that's the main things of what we're here to do and Have a little fun while we're at it

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So again, as always Haps Addison is with me and also Braden Patter of Peterson Say hello gentlemen

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Hello God bless. It's a pleasure being here again. Yeah, so Braden is the more proper of the two

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I Think it's what we gotta do

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You know whenever we get them initiated in we'll have to hit, you know Kick them a little hard and get the

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Mormon out of it. That's right That's right, that's right So as you can see the topic can a

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Christian Lose their salvation. I know this is a a big topic.

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It is it is when it's highly controversial and To kick off. I like to start with a little story before we get going

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There was a time, you know, I mean y 'all know this I was ordained in the Symbols of God churches of God Trinity Pentecostal context and so there was a time where I believed that a

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Christian could lose their salvation and So I started preaching at a jail and the and the guy that ran the jail ministry was a

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Sunday school teacher at a Baptist Church So I started attending the Baptist Church and then

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I got really involved with him there and And the subject came up and I told him then yeah,

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I believe that you can lose your salvation And then you know them being a Southern Baptist Church, they did not and so I said

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I'll tell you what How about we'll have a class tonight and I mean Next week and I'll argue both sides.

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I said I'll study and I'll present both sides and they said, okay

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Well through that week and I really really like studied and focused on the issues I studied both sides and convinced myself of the other so that's kind of how

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I came to the the conviction that a Christian someone who was born again cannot lose their salvation

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But as for the format, it's going to be kind of the same as last week If you remember last week, we took turns

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We we had about five minutes a piece and we just kind of gave a spill of what we believe about it

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And so we're going to do the same this way, but we're gonna allot 10 minutes and so I mean, of course if they all

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They only shoot out three minutes, that's fine but we're going to give us a little bit of uninterrupted time to where we can

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Explain what it is that we believe about this subject and we're going to go in the same order.

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So pastor Habs It's all you brother So the question is can you lose your salvation no,

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I'm done Brandon you ready? No, that's for a lot of you guys

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Yeah, you heard by my story When I came to why

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I didn't know Jesus. I thought if I got off of drugs I became a Christian if I went to church, but I ended up Was sober for three months and then all of a sudden

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I relapsed for the very first time ever because I've I've been on drugs for 30 years, you know and I called up this church you know that that's was coming over a new

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Bible study and they came over and they told me I lost my salvation and Then two weeks later.

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I had a massive stroke So I take it very very serious, I think it's I I I I don't believe that because Jesus isn't a liar

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You know, and I believe what Jesus said I believe Jesus words and And so I would like to just read some to you guys

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One of the most encouraging passages and all the scripture for me is well John the gospel of John It Means so much to be on so many different levels because after I came out of my stroke this is what

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I fell into was John and I Ended up hearing the gospel for the very first time from Jeff Durbin apologia, and I Was regenerated and given the gift of faith and repentance.

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And so this is that really at the core over here at my house in in this ministry right here because a lot of these other people a

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Lot of people that have come through my ministry here the same thing. So Here's the words of our

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Lord say and Savior Jesus Christ in in we're gonna be in John 10 and And by the way, there's so many scriptures, you know, it doesn't matter a lot of people take

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Hebrews 10 and Hebrews 6 and go see there you go and But you know, it's

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Jesus words at least to eternal life You know, it's Jesus. I always go back to what

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Jesus say, you know always and so I love this I was reading this earlier in it and I got a little caught up and emotional in this because It's beautiful.

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I want to really start off in In John 10 13 he flees me.

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Oh, I know yeah, I'm just gonna start off he's talking about the The hireling but he says in 13 goes he flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep he goes

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I am the Good Shepherd and I love this part right here. I Know my own

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Known by God. All right Known by God All right, and my own know me now.

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This is really powerful right here just as The father knows me and I know the father.

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I think that is so powerful right there when you put those those two together Well, I mean just that if you just really take a step back

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He says I know my own and my own knows me Just as the father knows me and I know the father that's how sure it is right there

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But he continues and I lay down my life for the sheep and I have other sheep that are not of this fold

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I must bring them also and They will they will listen to my voice

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So there will be one flock One shepherd for this reason the father loves me because I lay down my life

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That I may take it up again, no one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own accord

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I have authority to lay it down and I have authority to take it up again This charge

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I have received from my father and what was so father's will you guys remember?

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Eternal life now. I want to just scroll down just a little bit and I actually just lost my place

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I Take your time brother But Jesus says

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I just lost my total place. I'm telling I'm tired really tired right now

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But he says that he came to give us eternal life that Jesus came to give us eternal life.

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We go to Ephesians I'm sorry We go to Ephesians chapter 1 and he says in chapter 1 and In 13 in him you also when you heard the word of the truth the gospel of your salvation and believed in him remember if we

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Believe in him we have eternal life. All right have have we we've already obtained it, all right and And believe in him we're sealed with the promised

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Holy Spirit Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it to the praise?

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Of his glory and I I'm so glad we're tying this in from last week because last week

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There's there's remember we're talking about the the three -legged stool You know that that the

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Trinity is at the core of the gospel you know that that There's but the father wills it the son fulfilled with the father will them and then the

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Holy Spirit applies it, you know and and this this is

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This is what he says, he says I shall lose none. I'll lose none

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None of the father gives me you go to John 17 says the same thing over and over and over again I'm so upset that I lost my spot right there

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So, please forgive me But yeah, it's just over and over and over again.

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You have if you believe In the Sun you have eternal life, you know

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So just plain and simple eternal the word eternal means no beginning and no end and that really that really explains a lot when you're reading

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Ephesians in contact I mean in So I told you I'm so tired right now

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In context you read a feet all of you Ephesians one and it's just like screaming at you he was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world and And We are in him, you know, and he is in us and so You know,

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I don't believe that you can lose her. I think that is like one of the Greatest heresies

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I've ever heard of my life, you know that Jesus very name is salvation, you know I mean like he came not to condemn the world but save you know and My my

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God is mighty to save if he can save a wretch like this guy right here And he could save a wretch like like all the rest of us and I'm telling you, you know

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Or you never know All right, I'm done. We appreciate your haps

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Now I'm gonna be looking at And then you're gonna find out where it was right as soon as you as soon as I start

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I know I had to meet my mic the entire time that you're talking just because I was Constantly saying amen and and agreeing with everything that you were saying there haps, so You good for me to go and start in my 10 or so minutes.

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Yeah, go ahead. Okay, drop it, bro Well, maybe you know since brother haps started in in Romans 10 and speaking about in verse

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Well, I'll just read it again for us and for chapter 10 verses 28 through 29 and it says well

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Let's start in 27. It says my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me and I give eternal life to them and they shall never perish and no one shall snatch them out of my hand

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My father who has given them to me is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of my father's hand the idea that this sovereign

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God Who bled and died for us in this purposeful manner has completely wiped away our sin in its fullness

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That there's nothing that the devil nothing that this world nothing that man can ever do that would ever stop that Sovereign supreme hand of holding us secure in him is is truly a great assurance and it comes back down to you earlier in that Chapter I would say it says

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In verse 11 of chapter 10, well, let's read 9 to 11 I am the door if anyone enters through me

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He shall be saved and shall go in and out and find pastor The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.

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I came that they might have life and might have it abundantly. I Am the

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Good Shepherd The Good Shepherd lays down his life for the sheep

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And so the question is I think when we when we ask the idea of eternal security there's a couple different names that it goes by and with with some different nuances with these different titles or terminology that people use so like Once saved always say perseverance of the

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Saints it all carries this weight of eternal being eternally secure in Christ and the only reason

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I one of the Man, I agree with you have said is one of the greatest heresies to think that you can somehow escape the grasp of God to There's so many different places that we can go to to argue this from Scripture But one of my favorite places would be in John chapter of 19 in verse 30

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It says when Jesus therefore had received the sour wine He said it is finished and he bowed down his head and gave up the spirit.

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Why does he say it is finished? It's because he paid the legal debt for his own sheep found in Romans 6 23 for the wages of sin is death

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And the free gift of God is eternal life through our Lord Jesus Christ And so the idea that Jesus Christ when he said it is finished.

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He paid for all sin of those that would have faith in him and Coming from my past experience of being in a cult and not knowing

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God Every single week that would go by I would understand to a certain degree how sinful

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I was and Every single week. I wanted to get rebaptized every single week I wanted to retake the the sacrament for those that don't know

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I used to be LDS Take the sacrament every single week I wanted to have this repentance because I literally thought

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I was losing and gaining back my salvation week by week by week and It was depression because there was not a work

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I could do that would maintain that salvation or a receive a salvation in that sense as well

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And so being a Christian now the sin that I know about Now is way way way way way way farther worse than anything that I could conceive when

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I was LDS But it's because I have a great Savior Jesus Christ who died and paid the debt of my sin

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I had need not worry for my rest is in him and not anywhere else

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And so since we can call Jesus Christ the Good Shepherd, which is an exclusive term that for him the

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Good Shepherd I am that Good Shepherd Jesus Christ is that Good Shepherd a Good Shepherd will never lose a single one of his sheep a single one of his sheep and so I think the the the argument that arises is that we see see people from from a

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Young age or that produce what looks like to be fruit from somebody and I think we can all as pastors think about people that We've met or we see or we know of that at one point professed faith in Jesus Christ and had

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Experiences had testimonies had X Y & Z and everybody was on board with saying that that's awesome

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But they end up walking away from the faith they end up going away and There's there's two ways that I would approach something like that is one either that they are just in open sin right now and there one day will come back to that great

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God that they are saved in or First John 2 19 they were never of us.

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They left because they were never of us They were never a part of this body of Christ. And so Just just thinking about that a little bit more that a

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Christian we will absolutely sin I think John MacArthur I know says this he says if you could lose your salvation you would lose your salvation into that I say amen it

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Paul. I think even says something very very similar to this and in Romans chapter 7 he says

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Or even the idea of it It says in Romans chapter 7 that he's been warring with his own flesh and he says in in chapter 7 verse 24

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It says wretched man that I am who will set me free from the body of this death. Thanks to be our

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God Through Jesus Christ. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord So then on the one hand

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I myself with my mind and serving the law of God But on the other the flesh the law of sin

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And so we see this these two natures that are conflicting within Paul himself and so this is a reality with every single

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Christian The sin that you're going to commit tomorrow That you're going to be warring with That you're gonna be warring against that you're not going to be practicing that sin is still a sin that God paid for 2 ,000 years ago on the cross

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You can't nullify that you can't get it to think about this even a little more logically that the power of what

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Christ did on that cross Who is more powerful what Christ did on that cross or what man has done to eliminate?

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What Christ has done on that cross if my sin could stop the blood from covering me if my pinky at the end of the day

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Was not covered by the blood of Christ. That means Christ blood that means that I'm gonna be in hell because that's that part of me is sinful enough to be in hell for all eternity and If I am able to be more powerful in stopping that atonement from covering this pinky through my sin

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I have defeated what Christ has done for me on the cross and that means that blood that was spilled out

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Purposely for me has been in vain. It means that it was not purposeful and what it's done for me

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It's does it means that it wasn't finished means it wasn't paid for in full And so in the weeks to come as I continue on in my sin

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Which I hate and I want to stop and I war against It still does not nullify what

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Christ has done for me 2 ,000 years ago and it never ever will and I what a great day that I look forward to speaking about Eschatology with you guys that I can say

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Lord come quickly and when he does come quickly I'll be in a glorified body and what a blessed day that would be but we never see in the scripture

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We never see that somebody goes from being a goat to a sheep nor a sheep to a goat It's either your sheep or your goats and maybe that's where I'll just leave off in in Matthew chapter

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Matthew chapter 7. I hope I'm hitting this 10 -minute mark correctly, but Matthew chapter 7

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Verses 24 through 25 this app this comes after there are these people that look like supposed

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Christians that that profess Jesus Christ as Lord they say Lord Lord Look at what we've done and they give them these examples and he says depart from me you workers of iniquity

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I never knew you so these are people that didn't have a legitimate faith in Christ and Utilize their works as a means of justifying themselves and Jesus says this in verse 24 and 25

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He says therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and acts upon them May be compared to a wise man who built his house upon the rock and we know who the rock is

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Jesus Christ And the rain descended and the floods came and the winds blew and burst against that house and yet it did not fall

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For it had been founded upon the rock and this is the same idea that is carried over in 1st

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Corinthians chapter 3 as All the Word of God is inspired and it's in harmony and perfect with one another

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Even though it was from different authors that always talks about the same God and has these same ideas in it

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Paul says in 1st Corinthians chapter 3 Speaking about being built upon a rock and never falling because you're founded upon the rock he says and I'll just read verses

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Let's see here We'll just read 6 through 15 and there will be a little chunk here It says I planted Apollos watered and God was causing the growth

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So then neither the one who is planted nor the one who waters anything But God who causes the growth now he who plants and he who waters are one

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But each will receive his own reward according to his own labor for we are fellow workers You are

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God's filled God's building according to the grace of God, which was given to me as a wise master builder

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I lay the foundation and another was building upon it But each man be careful how he builds upon it for no man can lay a foundation other than that one

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Which is laid in which is Jesus Christ Now if any man builds upon the foundation with gold silver precious stones wood hay or straw notice the comparison of These figures of works that we see in here each man's work will become evident

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For the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire and the fire itself will be will test the quality of Each man's work and if any man's work which is built upon it remains

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He shall receive a reward if any man's work is a purned up. He shall suffer loss But he himself shall be saved yet.

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So as through fire And we see that they that he is saved because once again according to Matthew chapter 7 he was built upon the rock and so The the point of all these verses when we look at total scripture and how

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God and how God speaks and talks and forgives He wipes away our sins and transgressions

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And it doesn't mean that he wiped away my sins up until today and that tomorrow now I add a new list for him to wipe away again next week when he wiped away my transgressions

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They were fully wiped away and there's no chance of getting around it. And I think that probably later today we're gonna talk about some of the

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The verses that people will go to such as 2nd Peter 2 1 Galatians 5 4 Hebrews 10 26 and 6 4 through 5

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Which seemed to push forward a a idea of losing your salvation like cap said

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But I think this is just taking things out of context and we look and we look at the the surrounding scripture In light of other scripture, like we mentioned they those things can't contradict each other

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And so I think once we look at the full context of it We're quick to see the the correct meaning the correct interpretation of those verses

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That would be my 10 minutes on eternal security that we are Eternally secure in Christ not because of what

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I'm doing or what you're doing, but what Christ has done for us Very good, brother, and I think you'd probably it would probably be a good idea to to carry

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To carry this conversation over to next week and probably look in depth at some of these supposed problem passages

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You know was a An hour time to do everything.

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It's just not possible and I do be faithful to be faithful with the text

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So with me, I would say that it all stems to you know Everyone comes to this conversation and they already have presupposed ideas

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You know Like I said in the beginning, you know when I was in assemblies of God when

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I was a part of the churches of God Trinitarian Pentecostal churches, I believe that we could lose our salvation

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This is what I was having drilled into my head right, then I you know started going to a

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Southern Baptist Church and and I had a paradigm shift Well To me

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I think it all stems with free will As soon as if you pay attention as soon as I post it

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That we were going to talk about this a good friend of mine. Jamie Terry said what about free will jokingly?

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And I just gave like the laugh emoji or whatever You know, but but it's true if if you with your free will chose

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God Then you with your free will can't unchoose God that makes 100 %

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Sense to me. I know they can probably didn't come out right that probably went proper grammar there But but if I got myself into a mess

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I have to get myself out of the mess And so it's it's just that whole idea and that's what really bugs me about provisions

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Provisionism so they're like like a hardcore Southern Baptist provisionism, you know They believe you know,

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I mean, I love my son and Baptist brothers and a lot of are moving from this idea

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You know that they hold to eternal security, but they believe that They chose

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God That doesn't make sense to me because I believe if I if I can choose him then

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I can unchoose him But if I did not choose him that if the Bible is true and that faith is the gift

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That's what it says faith is the gift of God. It's not a result and we eternal life is the gift of God It's not a result of words

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Faith is like if you if you look at it says we're saved by grace through faith and this what is the antecedent to the this?

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It's faith and this faith is not of yourself. It is the gift of God. So no one can boast

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Faith is giving to us. It's the gift Okay now to say that we can lose faith.

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We have to say that God took back the gift now with any

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Professing believer want to say that No, a lot to do with theology is that they don't want to They don't want to make

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God look bad. Okay You cannot make God look bad

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All right. It is what it is. God is who God is the word says what the word says and because it to me it is dealing with To me since I believe it is dealing with the idea of free will

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Did we choose God if I chose God then I can unchoose God, but if faith is the gift of God Then then

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I don't believe God is going to ask me for the gift back Jeff you're not using that gift.

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I want it back And to me and I know

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I mentioned this last week, but it all stems from the covenant of redemption God the the

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Godhead in its In you know before time before an eternity passed

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God the Father chose a people And he sent his son to save the people that he chose

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His son accomplishes the purpose and the Holy Spirit applies the purpose

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So God the Father purpose to save a people God the Son Accomplishes the purpose

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God the Holy Spirit Applies the purpose. So this is the covenant of redemption

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Now I want to go to a passage that most people are probably not used to when it comes to this subject If you look at first Timothy beginning in verse 13, it starts to describe

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God But I want you to listen to how it describes God First 13

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I charge you this is Timothy speaking. I mean Paul speaking to Timothy. Excuse me

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I charge you in the presence of many witness. Yeah first Timothy chapter 6 My alarms going off to take my medicine

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And I don't even have water, okay That's great. Okay, first 13

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I charge you in the presence of God who gives life to all things and of Christ Jesus All right.

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So so right here I charge you in the presence of God. So this is the Greek word Theo you know just the generic word for God, but then it mentions and Christ Jesus who is

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Christ. He is the second person. Thank you. Sweetheart She gave me some water is the second person of the

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Trinity All right Who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made a good confession to keep a good?

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We good confession to keep the commandments unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our

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Lord Jesus Christ So we have Theo we have Jesus Christ and now we have

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Jesus Christ being called Lord. I Think my mic just went up now now listen to right here.

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Did it go up? Oh, yeah Now listen to this it says he who

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He who is the blessed and sovereign? So who is the blessed and sovereign?

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God right, but but which one the Father the Son the Holy Spirit the antecedent is is

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Jesus Christ the blessed sovereign but but but this name can be given to all three persons of the

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Godhead What about the King of Kings? Jesus Christ the

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Lord of Lords Jesus Christ Who alone? has immortality

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Well, Jesus Christ alone doesn't have immortality The father has immortality.

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The son has immortality who dwells in unapproachable light Who no one has ever seen now which of the

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Godhead did no one ever see that's the father Jesus and John chapter 1 verse 18 says no one has ever seen the father

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The only God who's at the right hand of the father? No one has ever seen God the only

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God who's at the right hand the father has made him know Right here. No one has ever who no one has no one has ever seen or can see to him be honor

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To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen. Let me take this real quick So notice here we have the generic word for God do

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We have Jesus Christ described and we have God the Father described and it says

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Right here. I don't want you to miss this Who dwells in unapproachable light whom?

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No one has ever seen All right. So this God he is unapproachable

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God is unapproachable. You cannot approach him All right,

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John 14 6 Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life

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No one listen, no one absolutely. No one can come to the father Unless they come through me

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All right, John 6 makes it very clear that no one can come to Jesus unless they're drawn by the father

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All right. I want to turn to John chapter 6 real quick. I know James White does a real good job at Exegete in this text, but I want to point out something.

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So John 6 Yeah, John 6

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Somehow I got to 37. Okay. Yeah, so John 6 44 no one Can come to me.

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This is Jesus speaking unless the father draws him So no one can go to the no one can come to God why because it was an unapproachable light

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No one can go to the father unless you go through Jesus and no one can get to Jesus unless you're drawn by the father

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All right. Now listen to this John 6 37 all that the father gives me will come and whoever comes to me.

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I will never cast out Now I want you to kind of think how the Puritans used to do the

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Puritans would meditate on a verse And so what I've come to do with this verse in my meditation is as I try to think about how this

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Can be played out in an analogy that we can understand And as you can see behind me is a door that's my front door

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Right. This camera is kind of okay right there. That's my front door The only way that that door will open and shut is if it has hinges and it does thankfully

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You know, I can walk over there right now open it and shut it But the only way that that happens is because it has hinges

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That door is 100 % depended upon the hinges to operate Without the hinges that door does not open

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The same way that that door depends upon hinges to open and shut you and I depend upon the father

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Giving us to the son to come to him. I want you to notice it It shows both

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The human responsibility us coming to him and the sovereignty of God Given to him by the father again.

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Let me read it again John 6 37 all that the father gives me right here.

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This is God's Sovereign decree. This is this is God doing something first all that the father gives me will come

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All right man's responsibility we must come but we cannot come why cuz he was an unapproachable light

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No one can come to the father unless they come to Jesus No one can come to Jesus unless they're drawn by the father all that the father gives to him

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Will come will come and I want you to notice what it says When whoever comes to me,

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I will never cast out never Never now listen right here for I have come down from heaven

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Not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me remember the covenant of redemption the father purpose to save a people the will of the father was to To save a people that was the purpose and to accomplish this purpose.

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He sent his son He came down to accomplish the will of the father and that was to save a people

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He said and and and this is the will of him who sent me that I should lose nothing of all

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He has given to me, but raise it up on the last day Ladies and gentlemen, this is

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This is serious now. I don't want to not Like I don't want to not look at the obvious stuff that people say you know, well,

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I I believed God I can walk away from him again.

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This this stems on your presupposition If you believe that you chose

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God, I actually I absolutely understand why you believe you can lose your salvation but if you believe like the

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Bible teaches that faith is the gift of God that That that our response whenever we come to to Christ our coming to Christ is in faith

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All right, no one can come to the father unless they're drawn by the Sun all that the father gives me

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Jesus said will come How do we come in? Faith faith is the gift of God.

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You're saved by grace the faith and this what is that? This was the antecedent of this faith is not of yourself

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It is the gift of God if faith is the gift of God. God is not ungiven the gift.

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He's not taking back the gift Now in Matthew we kind of read this of early on in our

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In our podcast but 13 it gives the the parable of the of the sower

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Verse 20 is the one that I want to hit on I'm excuse me, Matthew 13 5.

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It says other seed fell on rocky ground Where they had where it did not have much soil and immediately they sprang up and since they didn't have had depth of soil but Rose, they were scorched and since it didn't have no root it withered away

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Well, you go to verse 20 it explains what that means. And this is what I believe is taking place

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Whenever you because we all know people that were going to church And then they stopped going to church.

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They don't believe Because there's a difference between believing and And actually being born again having faith.

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I got I got family all my family members will tell you that they believe in God Listen to me. None of them.

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I hope they're watching none of them believe in God They don't you say well

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Jeff, how can you be so bowed because they're not following Jesus? Mmm, there's a difference.

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I don't care what you say If you truly believe in God, you're gonna be a follower of Jesus Christ.

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Look at verse 20 of chapter 13 and as for What was sown on the rocky ground?

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This is the one who hears The word and immediately receives it with joy.

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They receive it with joy. They believe Yet it has no root in himself

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But endures for a while and when tribulation and persecution arises on account of the word immediately

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Falls away And I've pointed this out before I don't want to keep beating the dead horse

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But this is the truth and runs chapter 10. It makes it clear When it comes to someone being saved if you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is

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Lord Believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. You'll be saved It does not say if you confess with your mouth you will be saved

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Because that's what my family members do they confess with their mouth that they believe in God But listen to me look at me.

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They do not believe in their heart that God raised this Jesus from the dead You know why they don't believe because that absolutely goes against the flesh, right?

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We're telling people that a man who lived was nailed on a tree crucified and died

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And three days later, he rose from the grave different. I mean the same body but but but glorified

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All right Listen, this is not something you can just believe Intellectually something has to happen and I'm telling you that one once that happens

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You cannot unhappen it When God gives you this gift of faith, he does not revoke the gift.

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He does not say hey, you know, I want it back He does not do that and I want to look at one more verse in this in Colossians Chapter 2 and me and my

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I knew you were going to get all male brother my good all male brother Brayden I was actually gonna bring it up this time again.

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I'm happy that you're gone there First first it starts out and you were dead in your trespasses and sins

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Now I want y 'all to understand something before we read this any further someone that actually believes that you can choose

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God and lose your salvation I just Have a hard time understanding that you understand how wicked you are

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How wicked I am we are wicked Wicked we're wicked.

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We We want nothing to do with God. Nothing. Absolutely. Nothing to do that.

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We're wicked But this is what happens and you were dead in your trespasses and wicked and the uncircumcision of your flesh

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God made God made a life together with him having forgiven us of our

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Trespasses how right here verse 14 by counseling The record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands

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He counseled the record of debt that stood against us when someone is given faith

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That means that their record of debt this this this debt this chasm of debt that stood between them and in God Has been canceled.

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How how is it canceled that you know? You know, that's a good question. How how was this? Record canceled and it says this he set aside nailing it to the cross that as the

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Jews Were having the the Roman guards nailed Jesus to the cross as they were nailing him hands and foot to that Roman cross

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They were nailing the record of debt that stood between You and you and God me and God Those who have been given faith

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It's they were nailing it to the cross Ladies and gentlemen the record of debt for the believer that stood against us was nailed to the cross

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It's not going to be taken down from the cross That record of debt is not taking down from the cross

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Christ is taking down from the cross that record of debt is not taking down from the cross and Christ is

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Is good and he's faithful and those who are born again. He has given faith. It is the gift of God He is not going to Ask for it back

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So in my opinion, I believe that those Who you know who

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I know who have been a church who have walked away from the faith. They received it.

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They believed intellectually But they did not believe in their heart yeah that everybody knows there's a

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God Romans 1 Yeah, all right, but Jesus Is how you follow this

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God if you truly believe that God raised Jesus from the dead There's this a

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Paul Washer makes a statement. He says if you was to invite me over for dinner

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At 6 o 'clock. I'm pretty sure everyone's heard this if you follow Paul Washer, but I think it's relevant to this to this issue

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He said if you invite me over to dinner at 6 o 'clock and 630 comes.

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I'm not there 7 738 I'm still not there 9 o 'clock not there and all of a sudden you're asleep

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It's midnight. I'm banging on your door and you open it up and I'm just like Breathing My way here

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I was crossing the street and dropped my keys and I bent down to grab my keys and as I stood back up a big

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Oh Mack truck ran me over, but it's okay. I'm here now And The man looks at the guy who looks at me breathing hard and he's like there's no way you got hit by a

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Mack truck Because if you've been hit by a Mack truck, you would be looking different. You would be disfigured.

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You'd be dead Ladies and gentlemen, if you tell me you believe in God, but you're not following Jesus If Jesus is not the sweetest thing on your lips.

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Listen to me You are not following Jesus you do not believe Cuz let me tell you something when you but whenever Jesus encounters your life, he changes your life

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He changes your life. I can show you pictures back 20 years ago where I'm a gang -banging pimp

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Oh, yeah pants down to my ankles and throwing up gang signs Okay I Just as wicked as the rest of us, you know, you know, you know,

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I want it Can I say something real fast? Absolutely. I'm done with my 10 minutes Next week.

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We'll probably go more Exegetical into the passages that go against what it is that we believe to show this week

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I just wanted the people to see our heart when it comes to this issue You know what now that I'm waking up now, it's coming to an end, you know now yeah,

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I Hear God God's Word. I get so excited I just hearing the words of Jesus and everything but when we were in I know

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I get ridiculous sometimes but um when we were in in John 6 right here and That's how

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I roll but um No, where is it? If I miss my place again,

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I'm gonna really get upset so He says this in 40 for this is the will of my father the will of who?

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my father That everyone who looks on the

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Sun and believes in him should have eternal life and I Will raise them up on the last day now now now hold on to that for a second

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Alright, cuz I'm about to get straight gangster pyro On you real fast because when we first started this off we were talking about free will

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No, if I if I was a quote cycle, he said which free will at you know, but um Just tying this in and John 1 12 but to all who did receive him who believed in his name

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He gave the right to become children of God who were born not of blood

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Nor of the will of the flesh. Oh, where's this coming right here nor of the will of man but of God so Still I've looked over and over again where free will is in all this and I know that that It's what about God, you know,

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I believe him when he says that I will raise them up on the last day He says it three times You know, he says it three times every time we see

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Jesus say that in Scripture pay close attention to all my wife's I Agree with you that you know,

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I say that I see free will all over the Bible I see it from the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation and guess that what that free will that I see in there

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Is God's free will being done that we depend right? We are being help held by his sovereign plan.

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Not my plan Sovereign plan is free will But notice it doesn't eliminate like I pointed out.

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It doesn't eliminate. It doesn't eliminate our responsibility Our responsibility is to come to Christ is to put our faith in Christ and repent

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But but but yeah, but but here's how it works God faiths us

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God repents us We don't do these things God does these things to us?

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Listen to Galatians chapter Three verse 20. It says that I have

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I'm just coming from the dome I have been I have been crucified with Christ. It's no longer

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I who live It's Christ who lives in me and this life that I live in the flesh.

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I live by faith And the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me

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Listen you want to talk about free will that bird Paul saying listen, I don't eat this life that I live

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He said I've been crucified with Christ. It's not me living. It's Christ living in me

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Yeah, it's Christ. This life that I live. I live by faith and him.

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I've been crucified with him ladies and gentlemen, what are we doing when we're

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We're doing these still These theatrical acts trying to get God out of some hole that he's not in trying to make well

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I don't want God to look bad. Stop it. God is who God is He don't need your help.

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I can look good or look bad He is sovereign. He's in control of everything everything

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I think Jesus Jesus holds all things in his hand

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The one who held all things in his hand was being held in the hands of him of his mother, right?

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We're talking about God and at that moment. He's still holding all things in his hand. Amen. You can't make him look bad

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I'll tell you what makes him look bad is is removing dominion from him saying that you have control But but it's with that concept if you believe that you birthed yourself

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If you believe that you borned yourself again through some decision that you made

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Absolutely that it makes sense that you can walk away from it But if you believe what the

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Bible teaches that faith is the gift of God You have to come to the conclusion that if you lose faith that Christ that Christ Christ and God took that faith from me.

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Yeah, and I don't want to say that You know, I know I think I think that's a lot of it

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No, you're good. No, no, no go ahead, bro. No, you're good. I just think Okay Yeah, no,

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I I just think that that's why a lot of people We make false converts you know, we want to give them the gospel confess it right in there here now and in and and you're going to heaven and You know,

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I said the prayer I said all this and that and you know, but We know each other by our fruit

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You know that the fruit is evident man It is at straight -up evident, you know when somebody comes to Christ, they are a new creation

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They are they become a tree fully blossom bearing fruit where every

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I can see and go I want some of that, you know, I've seen it happen. I've seen it

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You know My own my own enemies showed up at my front gate and we're like I heard it

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I don't believe it. I need to see it for myself. You know, it's just it's just like that. It's so evident

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That he and his and the gospel drips off your lips like honey you know like like you want it

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I mean and and And You know and God is the one that's carrying us through all of this

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But I see so many people when they they make that intellectual decision It's always they somebody comes up with a better argument and they walk away

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You know because when it comes down to it I mean just say this all the time you must be born again

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And if you think you had any choice being born the first time What makes you think you you had a choice being born the second time and so this is the will of the

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Father and The son fulfilled the will of the Father and the will of the Father was that we should have eternal life

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So if he didn't fulfill the will of the Father that makes him a sinner and a false prophet plain and simple

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You know just plain and simple, you know, we go always go back to the word of Jesus Christ What did Jesus say because we can't finagle around that because his words lead to eternal life

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And he says I will raise them up. He doesn't say I might raise them up, you know

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They're you know, they might be a little too heavy, you know, but he says I will I believe him, you know

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You know plain and simple Watch this mic drop. See this mic drop.

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Yeah I'm out So Great and what was you gonna say?

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Yeah Just speaking about how how God it's the will of God that we would believe in him It's what he it's a work that he's doing inside of us that being born again from John chapter 3

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You know how silly it is for Nicodemus to say how can a man being old?

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Enter into his mother's womb a second time. I would contend that to somebody that believes that once we've been born again from above And we've had the spiritual rebirth

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I would contend that if we think we can lose our salvation and Then get born again and born again and born again over and over and over until the day we die through this continuing works

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Repentance that somebody has is the same type of silliness that we see in Nicodemus when he says how can a man when he's old?

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Enter into his mother's womb. How can a man who has been born of God? Enter back into God's womb in that sense.

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It's not going to happen. It won't happen. It can't happen And you know, I actually I did a little

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YouTube video today spot speaking about James chapter 2 Is this on your YouTube channel?

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Yeah that reformed ex -mormon guy Yep and so in there James chapter 2 is one that that a lot of cults like to use to teach about how works are a requirement for salvation

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Yeah, that's not what it's getting out in there at all It's talking about a different type of faith the faith that just is produced off the lips and not a faith that is actually

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Residing in your heart and so it goes on in there to say In verse 14 and in the fullness of the context you just read the entire chapter of James chapter 2

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But just to make this short and sweet We see that even the demons believe and they shudder

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Because they have a type of faith that is not a type of faith that is inside the

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Christian They have what would be the Latin term and I think the reformers used to quite often as a

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Cynthia type of faith versus a fiduciary type of faith Cynthia would be a superficial trusting and knowledge of something and a fiduciary would be that which is complete and total and utter

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Reliance of faith and we see this from from the Old Testament all these

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Old Testament figures that you can think of Specifically in James chapter 2 Abraham It says that Abraham believed

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God and was reckoned to him as righteousness now that comes in Genesis chapter 15 verse 6

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It says in Romans chapter 4 that when was he justified in his circumcision or in his uncircumcision?

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It says that he was not justified in a circumcision But uncircumcised and that the circumcision was the seal of that which was that which was done in it to him

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So we see what what takes place first Genesis 15 6 or when he gets circumcised or even later on in Genesis chapter 22 where he offers up his son

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Isaac Genesis 15 6 takes place first here He believed God and was reckoned to him as righteousness and because he had that kind of faith in God because that was reckoned to him

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As righteousness he then went on to produce fruits that were for the glory of God And there was no way that he could lose that salvation because he had been born again

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This Holy Spirit residing in him just like as you and I have Yeah, James 2 is perfect for demonstrating that when we read it in its context, but that was the the locked and loaded portion

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I was saying it's in in John chapter 3. I think it's it's we're taking a Logical step just like Nicodemus had yes

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That's right, just like Nicodemus did if we're saying that we can lose that being born again

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That's something that God does in his work. That's something that the Holy Spirit does Yeah, if you go back,

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I mean like if you stay on that same trajectory, yeah, you know in order for Geo in order for someone a

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Jew to enter into the Old Covenant. They just had to be born You know a

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Jew was born into the Abrahamic Covenant Yeah, and then they would apply the sign of circumcision

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Yeah, Jesus is saying you need to be born again. Well a Jew couldn't unborn themself

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Like like yeah, that's something that you do, right? I've always made it as you and perhaps hit on earlier like like I would say, you know

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I didn't go to my mom and dad in a vision one night and say hey y 'all hook up and boom I have me baby

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Absolutely zero to do with my with my first birth and the words there be born again

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It literally means to be born from above This means that it has nothing to do with you and it gives the idea

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It says unless a man is born again. He cannot see this is with your eyes You cannot see the kingdom of heaven.

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You cannot see what God is doing unless First you are born from above unless he births you and I think it's just a

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You know, I I think it's really important For me now because I could again

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I told y 'all at the very beginning I come from a Pentecostal background and And every night I was having to plead the blood of Jesus over everything that I did and I you know and God forbid if I couldn't remember a sin that I committed that day and if I would have died without playing the blood over What the hell?

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Scarecrows right but coming out of that bondage and knowing that that God is sovereign

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He has chosen me now. Am I supposed to repent still? Absolutely. But here's the thing

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God repents Yeah, God gets me gives me faith All right, he's in control

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Yeah, but but but but but you're talking about a yoke a burden And I can't imagine the yoke and the burden that the

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Jews were having to carry being underneath the weight of the law Right because no one can keep this law

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Jesus Jesus's burden is easy and his yoke is light

01:00:05

All right, we shouldn't be having a write -down every time I stopped my toe and I said the elf word

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Let me write that down so I don't forget to repent about it tonight to plead the blood over it, man

01:00:17

I just think it's We're doing what the Jews did when they started adding things to the law

01:00:24

You know We don't realize that's what we're doing but we're adding things to salvation

01:00:30

I think it's really really dangerous we need to so I Listen to a podcast called theocast and they have a saying

01:00:39

I think it's a trust Christ and Trust Christ and relax or something like that But but it's true

01:00:48

Trust Christ You know what You know what

01:00:54

I mean Jeff, I don't know if I mentioned this to you Braden, but yeah, so I had a meeting with somebody Last week and I called up Jeff and I called up my brother

01:01:04

I called it Brandon scalp and I was so I was upset You know

01:01:11

I'm not gonna mention names or anything like this, but this guy god bless him, you know It still just twists my cat back because you know, we can't

01:01:22

You can't expect God to do this This change in you you have to change yourself and they have to work at this and I was so Shaking I had to pull over the call car and I called

01:01:37

Jeff was the first person I called boom, you know and Jeff Yeah, I you know Between Jeff and David Hernandez and Willie.

01:01:46

It's like do whose car we rolling in. Let's go get him. Yeah How And I was just I was

01:01:56

I was terrified I'm like No wonder people

01:02:02

They're putting their faith in their works and work in their way to this Instead of accepting the finished work of Christ on the cross when he said the telestide is done.

01:02:13

It's finished. It's done You know, there's there's no we're not working towards any of this Christ left heaven to come here.

01:02:21

We didn't leave to go to heaven unless it was the Tower of Babel we didn't even make it halfway, but Amen now though that's frustrating even hear that because that's insinuating that it's through your own good deeds that you're maintaining a right standing between God and isn't that taking away from Christ standing in our place maintaining a place for us with it before God He's our man.

01:02:45

I'm not the mediator. He's the mediator There's only one You know, yeah, yep

01:02:53

Yep You know one mediator between God a man the man Jesus Christ Yeah, I don't know

01:03:02

I thought it was Mary So we do want to be charitable yeah, right

01:03:11

I mean again I came from this background I used to believe that you could lose your salvation And so I really understand why

01:03:20

I mean The reason why I understand why one can believe it is because the presupposition that I held when

01:03:27

I believed it and that was I You know, God was lucky that I'm believing in him, right?

01:03:34

I could have chose not to you know Yeah, I know but this is the attitude that wow this you know

01:03:41

I'm coming to the understanding that That God saved me that God from heaven reached into time and he removed the

01:03:54

Branch from the fire, right? I mean, that's how I view my salvation A miracle is

01:04:02

God doing something that we cannot scientifically explain I cannot scientifically explain to you how

01:04:08

I went from what I was to who I am now the thoughts I once thought to the

01:04:13

To the thoughts that consume my mind now Now I'm not saying I'm perfect by no means but the idea is is is that just the littlest thing?

01:04:26

You know the littlest sinful thought now like I don't want it I want nothing to do with it man

01:04:33

You can have it keep it. No, I want nothing to do with You know

01:04:42

Salvation Absolutely. Peace with God. We have peace with God. We were enemies with God wretched

01:04:48

God does not delight in the death of the winner and if he didn't hold me secure right now

01:04:53

I would I would become an enemy against him right now. Absolutely. Hold me secure. I would go right back

01:04:59

Yeah, did you call it John MacArthur earlier and John MacArthur said if I can lose my salvation

01:05:04

I will and And that's the thing we're so wicked listen everybody we're so wicked

01:05:11

If you can lose your salvation, listen to me when I say this when you die, you're going to go to hell.

01:05:16

Yeah No one goes to heaven Absolutely. No one if you're dependent upon yourself to make it through the pearly gates

01:05:24

You're not going to make it. Yeah. Yeah, you need to rest and there's a Jesus Christ And there's a desire when you come to know

01:05:32

Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior There's a desire To please him there is a desire

01:05:41

To uh that I I knew I mean, I'm I remember when after like the first year

01:05:48

I Don't I was getting a little frustrated because I didn't know what was going on You know like I didn't understand that that like all these these it was like natural now a gentleness and kindness and in long suffering and all this it was just naturally coming out, you know and And this wasn't me you know that this this was this is not the attributes of Happy before you know, this is a

01:06:18

Something completely different and and now I not just like oh, I'm gonna do this because I have to do this

01:06:24

Let's check out the box. It's like I I don't it's you can't explain it

01:06:29

You know, you just can't it's and it's not like something that is given by the fruit

01:06:35

It's not like it's giving you a license to go out and do that which is contrary to God's law and his commandments It's not so we're gonna be born again.

01:06:43

So then I can go hate my neighbor. No, no, no No, I've been born again. Therefore. I will love my neighbor because God has loved me first.

01:06:51

I want to Amen amen. Well gentlemen, we're gonna end this broadcast

01:06:59

We're coming up on the hour. Well, we just passed our hour, but we're coming up on the hour

01:07:04

At 10 o 'clock. I got to get on another podcast and talk about eschatology and but I was talking to Brady last week while I was talking to him earlier and him and Hans and Last week after the show me and Brady went live on my

01:07:20

Facebook page And so after this week Next week we will begin to do that and whether Braden's able to be on there with me have so if it's just me

01:07:30

I plan on every Thursday night after the podcast To go live on my

01:07:36

Facebook page and to answer questions from those who have been watching it We're just gonna talk as soon as we call the theology out loud thinking out loud

01:07:45

I said thinking out loud and Braden said how about theology out loud and my eyes got super big

01:07:55

That was a great conversation man, that was great. I loved it. Yeah. Yeah, but we're also fortunately afterwards

01:08:04

After these things I have to usually get back to work. So yeah, but you know,

01:08:09

I wanted to just say this thing I had I just gotta say this, you know, I think it'd be cool.

01:08:15

Maybe just like Maybe if we could just come on here and our maybe just like one night a week, man

01:08:22

Well, like let's just have a little Bible study, you know, that'd be awesome. Just You know, and I'm not talking live on the air or whatever

01:08:30

I'm just like, you know, let's let's grow together in the knowledge of the

01:08:35

Lord Fellowship. All right. Well, if no one has anything else to say we'll cut it off there and remember everybody

01:08:46

Our main purpose of being out here is is to talk theology and to encourage people to If you're not involved with a biblical church that you

01:08:57

Join a biblical church that you will move somewhere where there's a church that's actually

01:09:02

Teaching God's Word faithfully that you will become a part of it and I guarantee because the

01:09:09

Bible guarantees it that by doing so being a part of a local body a Biblical church that you will grow in holiness

01:09:17

And that's the ordinary means of grace that God has given us. I encourage everyone here

01:09:22

That's a sound of my voice if you're not involved in a biblical church Get involved in church

01:09:29

Get listen get involved in church That's that. Yes, that's one of the greatest things that you can do here on earth to be a part of God's kingdom

01:09:39

Outside of that man. I'll talk to y 'all gentlemen later. I love y 'all in the Lord and we'll see ya