Q & A - Contemporary Music

Bethlehem Bible Church

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May 9, 2004

00:01: So he was a man he's a man bought with a price and so when he says go you go You know
00:08: I just said when I got after I got saved and was in seminary Lord will go where we you want us to go and I said
00:14: Lord I prefer an English -speaking country and So ideas and law and order aside the
00:21: Lord granted that very thing. So at least we didn't have to learn another language So tonight,
00:27: I'll just have some questions. I'll make some comments It's different than Sunday morning where you are just kind of sitting there not wanting to respond
00:33: We have elders and two policemen matter of fact that can escort you out when
00:38: Steve Cooley comes in six weeks We'll have three policemen here at the church who can escort you out if you interrupt the preaching of the word
00:44: But tonight I encourage that but maybe you could just raise your hand and some of you are saying who are those three policemen
00:51: That's for me to know and for you to find out The good news is we're not like Los Angeles and I'm not
01:00: I don't have the stature of John MacArthur for those of you That know John they've just behind the pulpit. They've coated the pulpit on the inside with Kevlar so if somebody comes rushing up to him to shoot him and he ducks he'll be protected because otherwise
01:12: It would just go right through the wood of the pulpit the elders several years ago Jake gave John a bulletproof vest to wear because of all the death threats that he was getting and John's exact quote was the
01:25: Bulletproof vest stands as a mute testimony of my elders love for me
01:31: Standing in the closet. He's not wearing it when he's in person. Can you imagine somebody so mad at you that they would try to kill you?
01:40: Sounds like what they did to Jesus Sounds like what they did to John the Baptist Sounds like that's what they did to Peter Paul you go right on down the line and if sometimes
01:50: I ask myself the question Why don't I get more death threats than what I do? I think I've only gotten one in my life But why has it been only one?
01:59: All right first question tonight and this just stems from a Sunday school lesson today that the kids had question number one.
02:07: Who is the hero of the book of Exodus? Congregation just go ahead and you don't even have to raise your hand.
02:13: Who's the hero of the book of Exodus? That's the answer to every
02:19: Sunday school question Yes, you kids come home and then they say to you say to them. What'd you learn in Sunday school? Are they kids? Jesus what else you learn about God?
02:27: Oh what in specific? And so what we've done at our Sunday schools here at the church And if your parents you need to know that we're trying to have
02:34: God -centered curriculum, so they're not just stories Children do not need
02:40: Bible stories. They need Bible stories that teach what the text teaches for instance Exodus is a isn't his is a historical book, but more so it is a theological book certainly the history is true
02:51: I don't deny that but the writer of Exodus had an agenda and what was that agenda? To exalt
02:58: God's goodness and greatness as he rescues his people Foreshadowing how
03:04: Christ rescued his people out of the slave pit of sin here. God rescues his people out of slavery from Egypt and so the hero of the
03:14: Old Testament is God the hero of the book of Daniel is God it's not
03:19: Daniel even though Daniel is very righteous I don't even think one sin is mentioned of Daniel and so today when
03:25: I looked at my my daughter's Sunday school curriculum I'm so thankful that we have a curriculum that is going to preach about God and not just stories if you're a
03:35: Sunday school teacher And you just give the story of this happens to be Exodus 1 and 2
03:40: Moses has put in the the little Basket, that's the only other place by the way where the word ark is used
03:47: Noah's ark and the basket that Moses was in is the Hebrew word for ark Put him in a basket and then you see how just by chance just by luck somebody came along Well, that's not true.
04:00: And so look at the theme and this is what you want to reinforce with your kids this week as they learn God protects baby
04:08: Moses Sounds like from our sermon this morning, doesn't it? one of the reasons why we don't need to worry is because of God's Providential protection and if you don't think that he's providentially protecting your life
04:20: It's great to read the Old Testament because you can see he obviously protects them Read Joseph Joseph in Genesis chapter 37 through 50 when you get done reading those chapters
04:30: You will say it is so obvious that what those men his brothers meant for evil God meant for what?
04:37: Good it is obvious a child could see it Well, why did God write that because sometimes in your own life you can't tell from your perspective that this is working out for your good
04:46: And for God's glory, but you know it is because you know It's the same God who's in Genesis 37 through 50 and you're same
04:52: God that you worship And so you want to make sure you turn every story into something that is
04:59: Theocentric God -centered or else you're shooting too low Esther's not about Esther.
05:05: I'm not even sure. I want my daughters to grow up like Esther Ruth's not about Esther Well Ruth's not about Esther either.
05:11: Is it is it Ruth? They're not the heroes or the heroines of the story
05:16: These are people that are just like you and just like me that God uses That's why I love biography so much because I realized that God can use losers
05:27: God can use clay pots. God could use people like me. Can you imagine the God of the universe could use me?
05:33: He could use you and that's why I love reading the Old Testament Because Moses wasn't such a great guy and by the way,
05:39: I'm most Thrilled by the testimony of this phrase for God the
05:44: God of Jacob Who would that guy was a scoundrel? That guy was a scallywag that guy, you know, he wasn't so good
05:54: I mean, I would have probably said the God of Moses because Moses had more, you know Positive things they're not are probably you know what?
06:02: I would have said the God of Enoch He we know he sinned but he walked with God so closely
06:08: God just took him Or the God of what would it who else would really be good God of Daniel? We know he sinned but Not recorded but here he's called the
06:17: God of Jacob And so we want to make sure we want God centered curriculum and parents Let me go you into making sure you talk about what your kid learns at Sunday school because our
06:26: Sunday school teachers are not responsible for your children's theological education They're responsible for a part of it, but you are responsible for your kids theological education
06:38: All right questions about that Who's the hero of the book of Yes, see we know
06:47: All right, so that's number one Number two, let's turn to Titus chapter 3 if you would
06:54: Titus chapter 3 and I want we were talking about this as elders tonight We will get to the Christian music issue
07:01: Lord willing I have it coming up next unless God strikes me dead up here. We're gonna talk about it it's been a week since we've tried
07:08: Titus chapter 3 and I'm going to pose this question to you the congregation and then we'll look at the text.
07:16: I Met somebody once in the Midwest a matter of fact It was in Missouri and I found out that they believe that you have to be baptized to go to heaven
07:25: So it was faith in Christ plus baptism and I said to them Well baptism seems to me to be a work baptism seems to me of something that you have to do
07:34: Baptism is beyond the finished work of Christ at Calvary. What did
07:39: Jesus say up on the cross? What I am finished? No, he said it is finished.
07:44: The work of salvation is done And so when you look at the Bible, you'll see words like made propitiation not made possible
07:52: But made you'll see words like he made reconciliation not made possible not waiting for your faith but he made reconciliation he made redemption they're all in the past tense that he did that at Calvary and Your baptism is not going to add to your salvation when
08:08: Jesus said it's all of me. It's all of God's grace Salvation Jonah chapter 2 says what it's from the
08:14: Lord. It's of the Lord. So this person said I believe baptism Because by the way,
08:20: I was shocked this person preached a verse -by -verse message through the book of James I got on the telephone and I said we're visiting we're out of town
08:27: We're here with family. This was several years ago and to what book of the Bible is your pastor preaching through? That is the question to ask a local church for the first question because If they're not preaching through the book of the
08:38: Bible, I think you need to find an expository preaching church You need to know all of what God says and just not the hot buttons of the pastor
08:45: They said our pastor is preaching through the book of James We're there
08:51: So we went the guy preached through James It was a good message on trials in James chapter 1 verses 2 through 12 is excellent
08:58: And afterwards I was walking out and I picked up a brochure and said you have to be baptized to be saved Now there's a lot of different definitions for baptism in terms of is it water baptism after salvation?
09:09: Is it Christ placing you into the body of Christ immersing you into Christ? There's no water there
09:14: That's something God did but he meant you have to be baptized for those of you that don't know There's a baptismal pool right under here.
09:21: You've got to be baptized to be saved The person said to me
09:27: Yes, I believe that baptism is required but it's not a work because somebody dunks you you don't dunk yourself
09:38: So you're not working Friends whether it's you not working or somebody else not working salvation's all of grace and I just want you to be
09:47: Recall your mind to Titus chapter 3 so you can see this This is what we need.
09:52: There's no other gospel. This is why it's called the good news This is the kind of saving I need This is the kind of saving you need or we could put it in the past tense for those of us who are saved
10:03: Look down at verse 3. This is my testimony. By the way, if you want your testimony given
10:08: This is a good place to start for we were also once foolish ourselves Disobedient deceived and slave to various lusts and pleasures spending our life and malice and envy hateful hating one another so just a state of unrighteousness and Jesus said to the
10:26: People on the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew chapter 5 verse 20 Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the
10:32: Scribes and Pharisees, you're not going to heaven You find the most religious person you can and unless your righteousness is more than that You're not going to heaven and the bad news is this is who we are and then that wonderful word verse 4 therefore
10:47: God disintegrated everyone and Because of their sin God Let their foot slip in due time
10:57: What's the word? I mean, it's just the best But when the kindness of God our Savior and his love for mankind appeared this epiphany appeared means epiphany
11:05: Christ comes he saved us. I want you to see that language right there
11:10: He saved us. Is that active or passive for you English students? I hit the ball the ball was hit by me which one's active and which one's passive verb
11:25: Not all at once Conjunction Junction, what's your function hooking up clauses and phrases?
11:31: You remember those? Who are aware of that generation? I? Hit the ball.
11:36: I'm actively hitting here. God is the one who's active and so we see him being active
11:41: He saved us and in this particular case if I was going to write this passively I would say and we have been saved by him
11:49: But in this case, it's active, but he's the one active. It's not us. Did you notice? It's not when
11:55: I accepted Jesus in my heart the rest of everything started happening and I allowed him to save me No here he saved us.
12:01: And now how did he save us not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness? Nothing, we could do none of our merits could not save but according to his mercy by the washing of Regeneration people say oh see there's the water right there baptism and renewing both regeneration and renewing are by the what?
12:23: The Holy Spirit they're not by you. The Holy Spirit gives you new eyes new heart new mind to see the things of God He makes you born again.
12:32: So your affections have changed That's all done by the work of God and he goes on further verse 6 whom he poured out upon us richly
12:40: Through the only Savior that's out there Jesus Christ our Savior So that being justified by his grace, we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life
12:50: Jesus lives a perfect life and when we believe in him God credits his perfect life to us and then
12:57: God credits our sinful life to him the great exchange is made and all that Could you be involved in that at all?
13:03: How can we do that? How could you say God? I'm gonna force you to give me your son's perfect righteousness and all his perfect deeds and by the way he gets all my sin only
13:13: God can do that and God is the one who was authorized that and Then isn't this neat the way Paul says it to Titus this is a trustworthy statement and concerning these things
13:22: I want you to speak confidently Why what's the practical ramification to doctrine so that those who have believed
13:30: God will be careful to engage in good deeds? These things are good and profitable for men So does baptism save no baptism doesn't save baptism is a response to salvation
13:41: And even if somebody dunks you or they don't dunk you that's still considered what we call a work Something that's not of grace something.
13:48: That's not of God's Doing Questions about that Church of Christ will say you have to be baptized to be saved the
13:58: Boston Church of Christ will specially say you Have to be baptized to be saved And we just have to watch out for that because you know what
14:05: I think it does and I will stand up and defend Baptismal region to defend against baptismal regeneration because I think it demeans the cross of Christ Jesus's death was not sufficient for you to get to heaven so you have to add your two cents worth
14:20: Christ's death did everything and that's why the thief on the cross is there because the thief wasn't baptized now the people will say well
14:26: The thief wasn't baptized because Jesus was there. It was a special dispensation and all that stuff We know it's the grace of God that saves us and if my
14:36: Presbyterian friends like RC Sproul are wrong Do you think RC Sproul will be in heaven? Do you think
14:42: Jay Gresham Machen will be in heaven? Do you think all the great Presbyterians of time past will be in heaven if you're wrong on baptism?
14:50: It's a sin if I'm teaching the wrong thing about baptism. It's sin because anything I teach about the Bible. That's wrong is what?
14:57: Sin, I want to teach the right thing But sin is not a sin will keep you out of heaven But baptism the lack thereof won't all sins keep you out of heaven
15:04: But if you're a Christian all sins have been covered so it just bothers me because I want to say
15:11: Here's the cross and here's salvation and don't go messing with the Lord and Savior and his cross
15:17: And that's what baptism in addition to belief does for those who?
15:23: Go around and say that it's no different than the Jews back in those days saying you have to believe and you have to be what?
15:29: Circumcised and Paul had some word for those in Galatians And he said you know if you think that you might as well go ahead and just castrate yourself
15:36: If you think just a little skin off will do it just go ahead and take care of it all He was very forceful and very in their face because it's not a matter of removal of skin from the flesh
15:46: It's a matter of removal of sin from our hearts We need divine operation on our hearts.
15:52: That's what we need and you can't do that And that's why people try, but they can't That's why if I meet someone who says
15:57: I've accepted Jesus in my heart And I've walked the aisle ten times, and I still cannot have victory over sin ever and I'm still not a
16:04: Christian Then I say to them well Who holds your salvation in their hands the
16:10: Lord does instead of you doing something of course you're commanded to believe But instead of you doing something
16:15: Why don't we just cry out that the Lord would save us and save you and I'll cry out with you that God would be merciful to save you
16:25: Question you know
16:36: I never really thought about that Nobody in the Old Testament got baptized That's a good question now.
16:46: Let me ask this furthermore. How are people saved in the Old Testament? By faith alone that's exactly right what they knew about God, and how he had revealed himself by faith in him
16:56: It was not saved by trying to keep the law or anything else because nobody could the law would show
17:01: Many things the law would show that they can't keep God's commandments and that they were sinful and needed his grace the law would also show
17:08: Them that they were different from other pagan nations and other things, but people are saved and some dispensationalist to their chagrin
17:16: I think think there are two ways of salvation Salvation is always by God's grace alone through faith alone and either looking back to the cross of Christ or looking forward to the cross
17:26: Of Christ, so it's always by Christ alone if since Abraham's in heaven his sins were paid for by Christ It just happened to be in the future as we look back
17:36: He looked ahead to what he knew about him Yes, I think people were redeemed in the
17:42: Old Testament I don't call Old Testament Saints Christians, but I call them redeemed. I call them regenerated
17:47: I call them you know in the house of God or true Israelites or whatever we want to call them
17:52: There's different names, but you are always saved by the same Faith in Christ alone nobody else it's not some
18:02: I'm gonna add Christ to my pantheon of gods But it's Christ alone through faith alone not any kind of works lest anyone what?
18:11: Both that's right Lewis I'm sorry Isn't that a good point for the tape and for everyone else
18:54: Paul in 1st Corinthians chapter 1 he said you know Here's some people I baptized, but I really wasn't going around baptizing a lot of people can you imagine
19:00: Paul? He wanted people to go to heaven in Romans chapter 9 He basically said God if it'll save my countrymen go ahead and damn me curse me send me to hell for their sake now he know that couldn't happen because it's not by proxy of a
19:14: Sinful person we are saved by proxy in the sense that you have Jesus Christ fully man and fully
19:20: God because he's fully man God will accept his sacrifice for us as our representative and Fully God so it can apply to all those who would ever believe you've got to have a divine
19:31: Christ so all those who look to him can be saved because if I'm perfect God will accept my sacrifice as Perfect, but only mine.
19:41: I can't say I'm taking Lewis with me. I'm perfect Lewis You come with me no because I don't have enough.
19:47: I don't have enough righteousness to give to Lewis I just need my own to get into heaven where Christ not only fully man who could
19:56: Identify with the human race, but also fully divine so everyone who ever believes could be saved Also, let's turn to mark chapter 1 now
20:03: I'm thinking about it, and I'm not gonna forget the Christian music one, but let's just go to mark 1 We looked at this at our
20:08: Bible study. Can you imagine here? You've got Jesus, and he goes around in heels and if Jesus Knew not
20:18: Matthew 1 let's go to mark 1 Jesus if he's out there saving Temporally the lepers and people who are demon -possessed.
20:26: Why didn't he baptize? Why didn't he baptize in the baptism of John even for salvation? No, he didn't and just to talk about Christ a little bit.
20:35: I love to study his preaching As one man said Jesus as the only son of God God had only one son and he made him a preacher
20:43: And that's what Jesus did even though. He did heal even though. He did cast out demons his main thing was preaching and So if you look at mark chapter 1
20:53: Verse 21 they went into Capernaum and immediately on the Sabbath day. He entered the synagogue and began to teach They were amazed at his teaching for he was teaching them as one having authority not as a scribes
21:03: What does that mean he was competent and he wasn't quoting other rabbis like they would quote
21:11: He didn't have to quote the Old Testament because as he spoke it's God's Word So he's not saying like I say sometimes if I really want to prove a point now.
21:20: There's three different views on this now to show credibility Congregation let me show you the three views and let me show you why
21:27: I match up with the last view and this last view Did you know John Calvin had that view did you know John MacArthur had that view and did you know
21:33: James Kennedy? I mean James Montgomery Boyce had that view and so you all say okay? There's some credibility to Mike, and it's just not
21:39: Mike. I mean who's he I mean radio shows does Avendroth have Yes, that's exactly right.
21:49: I say so he's not quoting anybody. He's not saying I'll tell you why you should believe he's preaching and teaching with one having authority very good point
21:57: Louis And now I know that you're Louis And you're Dave So in verse 23 there's an unclean spirit there and a man crying out
22:08: I find this very interesting verse 24. What business do we have with each other Jesus of Nazareth?
22:14: Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are and then he calls him something that Isaiah calls
22:20: God over and over and over I want to say 28 times What does the demon called Jesus?
22:28: The Holy One of God not just someone who might be holy not a holy person the Holy One of God This is a demon knowing that Jesus is
22:35: God Jesus is God because he said he was God Jesus is God because John called him
22:40: God Paul called him God He accepts divine worship. He forgives sins He has divine attributes and here even the demons testify that he's
22:50: God isn't that amazing the Holy One of God And Jesus rebuked him saying be quiet come out of him.
22:56: They're all amazed in verse 27 a new teaching Okay, so the demons out now 29 immediately after they came out of the synagogue
23:05: They came into the house of Simon and Andrew and James and John now Simon's mother -in -law was lying sick with a fever how'd that happen by the way,
23:13: I thought the Pope can't have a wife and immediately they spoke to Jesus about her and He came to her and raised her up taking her by the hand and the fever left her and she waited on him
23:24: The focus should be on the Lord's great grace, but when God graces you how do you respond? Waiting on the
23:30: Savior. What a neat picture When evening came after the Sun had set They began bringing to him all who were ill and those who are demon -possessed
23:39: You bet they would and you would do it too If you had somebody who was sick and Jesus healing everybody of every condition and they're not just coming with little crutches and Jesus healing
23:47: Just kind of like orthopedic injuries Why is that when you see healing crusade today and everybody's has orthopedic injuries something that they can throw away after the false teacher has healed
23:57: Why is that well, that's not how Jesus did it he healed people completely of everything healed of diseases cast out demons not permitting them to speak and Now what a great way to lose your ministry verse 35
24:11: How to lose your your teaching healing ministry 101 Seemingly in the early morning when it was still dark
24:18: Jesus got up left the house and went away to a secluded place and was praying there Simon and his companions
24:24: What are some of your translations say they're all going to be weak Go ahead and say it out loud
24:30: Searched. Okay good Hunted which one is hunted? New American Standard hunted any of the
24:39: NES update says searched. It's not good enough. It's hunted. It's tracking them down It's like the
24:44: English bloodhounds out for the chase of the Fox. They hunted wouldn't you Jesus is staying in your house?
24:51: He's healing everyone Now you wake up and there's more people at your door presumably presumably and you look around and you're supposed to be kind of like the disciple and Now they're all there and you're just like doing the tap dance.
25:09: You're doing the stall. Where's Jesus? So they go out and they're tracking him down and he didn't have a cell phone or a beeper or anything like that He's out there praying
25:16: They've tracked him down and they found him and they said no this is too bad in the English when we just have you know
25:22: This is the way God wanted it, but I just cannot see them saying this Everyone's looking for you.
25:30: Everyone's Looking for you You know, everyone's looking for you Jesus. That's not can if you were there
25:37: You wouldn't be saying that you can imagine hands on hip kind of the way got like this with the finger
25:44: Everyone with exasperation is looking for you now,
25:50: I don't know if they would spit like I just spit that was like a first -row spit right there and Jesus said
25:59: Okie -dokie, it's time for here to hear a healing crusade and ministry This is amazing to me
26:05: It shows you that not only Jesus healed people because he was compassionate
26:10: But you can be a healed leper and still go to hell. Can't you? The ten that Jesus healed nine went away.
26:18: Nobody came back except the one to thank I don't know if he was the only one that was saved He is the only one that showed on the scriptural pages is a fruit of salvation, which is thankfulness, but you can heal somebody and they still
26:32: Don't necessarily go to heaven. So he was more concerned about their eternal souls and Jesus said to them here's how you lose your ministry if you're healing ministry let us go somewhere else to the towns nearby that I may preach there also for that is what
26:45: I came for and he went Into their synagogues throughout all of Galilee preaching and casting out demons.
26:51: Isn't that amazing? And by the way, I noticed nothing there about baptisms Let's make sure you get baptized.
26:56: So you get to heaven. He's preaching the kingdom He's heralding the key heralding the kingdom about repentance and salvation.
27:02: That's God's grace not law -keeping So I just love that about Christ. They wanted somebody to heal and he did heal but that's not his primary purpose
27:09: It was to preach the gospel. So the souls would be healed. All right one more before we get into music
27:19: From the great preaching of Christ to the What planet am I on section of our time tonight again?
27:27: If you're here visiting we usually just go straight through a book verse by verse We're kind of jumping around a little bit.
27:33: I want you as a congregation to have discernment I want you when you read something in the newspaper to say, you know, these people might not be right this is
27:41: Journalism, this is not necessarily scripture. And matter of fact, I picked a good Journal a good newspaper that you might think.
27:50: Oh, yeah, that's just right up my right wing alley or that's just right where I am philosophically with my politics wall street journal if you're a conservative or Not conservative.
28:06: I really don't care. I think our church would overall be very conservative politically, but I wish that wasn't always the case
28:12: I hope if a democrat comes into this church a liberal politician comes into this church
28:18: I pray that we really love them I do not want politics to divide issues with the church and to say well, we're bbc for republicans and there's
28:30: Bb, you know bbcf down there for democrats No, and it's a little bit different because most christians these days in new england happen to be conservative politically
28:40: But I never want to make that an issue and i'll do everything I can to kind of drive that out because You can be a republican go straight to hell.
28:47: Can't you? It doesn't matter You can be against abortion and still not go to heaven
28:53: You're not saved by being against abortion, even though i'm glad people are against abortion So anyway all that to say wall street journal now, here's my going to be my test class
29:03: I'm going to read this and then you tell me if it's right or wrong and why biblically And what the lord must be thinking about things like this, by the way, this is uh, 3 10 0 4.
29:18: I don't want to read the title because it would give it away of the article for the first time in 10 years many mary wilkinson
29:25: Went to church one sunday in january. She sat in a back pew at saint francis episcopal church in stamford
29:30: Connecticut only in new england flipping through a prayer book and listening intently to the priest sermon priest or pastor
29:38: What drew mrs. Wilkinson back into the fold was a new monthly program for the church
29:44: That the church introduced holy communion for pets By the way, this is a front page of the wall street journal front page.
29:52: That's why she started going to church again As part of the service the 59 year old retired portfolio manager carried her 17 year old cat to the altar waited in line
30:02: Behind three panting dogs to receive the host and had a special benediction performed for a cat per box jr
30:09: I like that. The other parishioners are animal people miss wilkinson said congregants at temple beth sheer salome
30:17: In santa monica california have an animal prayer sung to the tune of sabbath prayer a song from fiddler of the roof
30:22: May our god protect and defend you may god always shed shield you from fleas. I am trying not to throw up I am not
30:30: I have not I this is a quote All saints episcopal church in fort lauderdale florida has doubled attendance at its sunday evening service
30:37: Since it began last summer to invite pence pets once a month It wanted to attract people who walk their dogs on the church grounds.
30:45: We call it evangelism says rector sherrod mallow It's opening your doors to the different needs of the community
30:57: What do you think of that? What do you think the lord thinks of that?
31:10: Yeah for certain it is not worthy worship And we are thankful for animals i'm thankful for animals aren't you i'm thankful for companionship with dogs i'm thankful that uh
31:22: Steaks taste real good I'm thankful for oxen that grind and crush things.
31:29: I mean i'm thankful for animals and we ought to treat animals Properly as proverb said a righteous man regards the life of his beast
31:36: And if you're a vegetarian god bless you as well. We welcome you to the church So we like animals
31:44: But what a shame it is that you'll say i'll do anything to get people in and you know, it's just like this
31:50: Here's how evangelicals do it We're taking a survey and we'd like to know what's important for you at church now that That's not necessarily wrong but the reason why they do it most of the time are wrong because then
32:01: They say we'll collect all these now. We've got a little thing of all these people in our neighborhood Why don't the people in west boylston go to church?
32:08: Here i'll tell you the reason why they don't go to church is because 80 of them are people who are grown up catholic
32:14: So, how could we get them in? Well, let's just turn our church into a catholic church and we can attract them has nothing to do with theology in the sense of You know, is this catholic or is this not
32:27: I mean if we were in utah i'd say seven i'd say mormonism The whole issue is how do you get them into church? Well people really like pets in our area
32:34: So let's get the pet people in no, we preach the word of god We proclaim his truth and if people come they do i'm glad when
32:40: I got up here this morning I looked around I go, you know, this church is pretty full But that doesn't mean anything. That doesn't mean somehow
32:46: Oh, you know, we're doing all the right things God blesses people in spite of what they do and I think if you preach god's word the people will come i'm sure of that but What if a bunch of people left too?
32:58: I preached the bible from the same bible and a bunch of people left So it's not really a is it you know, god's blessing you if more people come, you know, god is blessing you when you are
33:08: Obedient to the trust that he's given you and that's why you see in first timothy second timothy and tritus paul
33:16: By the word of god saying you men in are entrusted with this and you keep it
33:22: And as you would desire the fidelity of your marital bonds You want the fidelity and the integrity of the scripture and you men guard it?
33:32: So the whole pet thing I just could I just about fell off my rocker I first read it and I wanted to throw up i'm used to reading it now because i've used it for other
33:40: Other illustrations, so i'm not really going to throw up now But I think the lord does and I think matter of fact he said for the church
33:46: That would have been that kind of church. I spew you from my mouth I vomit that kind of church out and for us the only reason
33:55: I think we Uh Are being blessed and and are and have been blessed is because god has been gracious.
34:01: We're not better We're not we don't have an eye on the truth and nobody else knows and you know The elders we're just the best elders in the entire world and we know and everybody else can't figure it out
34:11: Whatever we do know it's because god has opened our minds to know All right, finally contemporary christian music
34:21: One of the reasons why I waited to do contemporary christian music because those who don't come on sunday night I'm not going to talk as much about the bible with contemporary christian music and I wanted you to have the bible open
34:31: I think if you come You need to be fed This is a big issue two things split churches
34:37: Many things split churches, but two high up homeschooling and contemporary christian music
34:46: Two wonderful church splitters that doesn't mean in and of themselves homeschooling is a bad thing
34:51: And it doesn't mean that contemporary christian music is bad, but those are just flash points they're hot buttons
34:58: By the way, who could define contemporary christian music for me that may be part of the problem.
35:05: But what is contemporary christian music? Anything that's not in that hymnal
35:11: That's what some say it's not in the hymnal. It's no good when we have a couple of horrible songs in that hymnal
35:20: Written by Unitarians one. I don't like one. I do the one I don't like is joyful joyful We adore thee that's talking about the fatherhood of god and the brotherhood of men who needs christ.
35:30: We're all together But it's a great tune lewis. What'd you say about that again? Yes, uh, joyful joyful now.
35:45: There are also some contemporary christian songs that are just horrible and wasn't dr Block convicting last week
35:50: Up there singing about ourselves all the time I loved it when he said we bow down we bow down we bow down and then he says no we don't
35:58: Never bowing down and always talking about us and always talking about how you know what we do for god One man said christianity is a singing religion unique in world religions
36:13: Christianity this man said is the singingest of all religions Did you know the pietists in germany over the centuries have produced?
36:22: 200 000 hymns You know you have these people that will write love songs about the object of their affection their boyfriend or their husband or their?
36:31: girlfriend or their spouse And that's good. But now all of a sudden we have the great object of our
36:38: Salvation christ and people just can't stop writing about him I mean didn't you like the one tonight with 67 the love of god that last stands is just wonderful It's not inspired by god, but if anything's close to being inspired that is and I don't believe anything's close.
36:52: So Sociologist at Bowling Green University Sergei Denisov said quote if you want to reach young people in this country write a song don't buy an ad newsweek magazine
37:08: Arius the false teacher who didn't believe jesus was god third century Wrote little ditties wrote little short kids songs like warry warthog and others
37:19: And said, you know if I write the right kind of songs, I'll change their theology through these songs Music affects people doesn't it?
37:27: I like music to you. I love music I love lots of different kinds of music. And so the question is what about contemporary
37:33: Christian music specifically? What about bringing it into the church? Well, how do we pick songs when
37:39: Charlie picks a song? Why does he pick it when we pick hymns? Why do we pick those hymns? Well, we pick the final hymn today great as I faithfulness because it came right out of the message
37:48: That's why we pick that but what are the reasons why we pick some songs and we don't pick others Did you know
37:54: Israel sang songs when they were delivered from Egypt? Revelations got a bunch of songs.
38:01: Can you think of a whole book of the Bible? That's nothing but songs You can't get away from avoiding the issue about music is guitar good bongos bad 12 string guitars.
38:14: Okay, if it's acoustic bass, is that okay bass guitar bad, but bass violin good
38:23: You know when Handel came out with Handel's Messiah They the the legalist the traditionalist thought it was rock music and kind of banned it from the local church
38:34: Anything that's new. It's no good And if music is great and great praise then certainly
38:41: Satan's going to be involved in the mix Before we go any further turn to Psalm 150 and I just want to go through a psalm about music that Is a neat doxology
38:53: Neat doxology overall But also neat because it's the last psalm of the Bible and almost like Psalm 1 is a good introduction to the
39:01: Psalms Psalm 150 is a great conclusion And let's just look about this praise and praise.
39:08: I believe can be with our voices and with instruments There are some churches churches that I respect
39:14: Orthodox Presbyterian churches will have no Instruments other than the voice box
39:23: I don't I disagree in this particular case with Israel and we can argue Israel Church another time
39:29: But I I draw your attention to Psalm 150 because this is just praise with all kinds of stuff
39:34: By the way, Psalm 150 verse 1 its praise is it praise God the master
39:39: Adonai or is it praise God? Yahweh Which one is it?
39:49: Praise that yes it is because it's all capital L's it's the covenant -keeping personal name of God praise the
39:54: Lord By the way, how does that Psalm end? Praise the Lord, you know a bunch of Psalms are like that.
40:02: Take a look with me if you will Psalm 146 go back a page probably that Psalm starts praise the what?
40:10: Praise the Lord. How does it end? Psalm 147 verse 1. How's it start?
40:17: How's it in Psalm 148 verse 1? How's it start? How's it in? Psalm what's what's your next guess
40:24: Psalm 149? How's it start? How's it end? Psalm 113 Psalm 117
40:30: Psalm 135 and those are just the ones I looked at at the higher numbers They start with praise the Lord and they end praise the
40:36: Lord when I was growing up It was almost tried to say because the PTL club club had came up and everybody was running around PTL praise the
40:44: Lord But I don't want to let them take it away Or I don't want to let my reaction to them take it away because it's a wonderful thing to say to praise to speak
40:51: Well of to talk of his greatness and to be thankful for it and praising God praising the Lord this covenant -keeping
40:57: God back to Psalm 150 Praise God in a sanctuary Praise him in his mighty expanse
41:05: What to praise him for verse 2 praise him for his mighty deeds You know, they were thinking about Exodus, you know, they were thinking about other things like that Noah and creation praise him according to his excellent greatness not out of his greatness, but according to Look at how they did it the manner of praise verse 3 praise him with trumpet sound
41:25: Praise him with harp and lyre praise him with timbrel and dancing praise him with stringed instruments and pipe praise him with loud symbols
41:32: Praise him with resounding symbols Verse 6 let everything that has breath subjects of praise praise the
41:41: Lord By the way, if you'd like to memorize scripture, I think if you're gonna memorize Psalm 145 to 150, you're on a good start already
41:49: You know how every verse chapter opens and ends praise the Lord God Liked musical praise.
42:02: I think he still does listen to don't turn there, but I'll read it to you first Chronicles 23 5 and 4 ,000 were gatekeepers and 4 ,000 were praising the
42:11: Lord with instruments, which David made for giving praise. I Don't know if you're like I am but sometimes
42:17: I give the kids all something and we're gonna sing some songs around the table And so somebody gets a spoon somebody hits this somebody gets to clap, you know, nobody really likes to clap
42:25: They want some kind of instruments to to play with and we're all singing songs around the table with probably
42:33: This consonant sounds and everything else. So whatever these musical words Words are for not very good harmonies
42:40: But we're just all playing these songs and I can't believe 4 ,000 were praising Lord of the instruments that David made.
42:50: I And as I studied this week, I found that there was three kinds of instruments They typically used percussion wind and string as you might imagine
42:59: Percussion they'd use a tambourine or timbrel. It is interesting that the tambourine was not used very often in temple worship because Bale worship used it in the temple.
43:13: They could use it out of the temple a Symbol, we're not sure what a symbol is and a resounding symbol
43:20: Maybe one is just when they hit the metal together lightly and the other one resounding symbol is when they hit it hard But they use symbols they use winds instruments like the horn the shofar they used wind instruments like the pipe or flute and They use string instruments the harp and the lyre matter of fact
43:39: We know one lyre had how many strings in Psalm 33 10 strings
43:48: Now I've got questions after that just a little introduction if you had to pick songs to be sung in Corporate worship, what would your criteria be?
43:58: It can't just be if they're in the hymnal If unless you had a hymnal like Gadsby did who 200 years ago said
44:05: I'm writing I'm putting together a hymnal to bar out any Arminian kind of theology I want them all
44:10: God -centered so the elders could put our own hymnal together right now. We haven't but how would you pick? What would your standards be?
44:17: What questions would you ask of the song? biblically based Okay, good answer
44:24: Minds me a family feud Good answer Kim and I and our family we tried out for family feud once and we beat the two families that we played and then they said
44:34: Like they do in Hollywood. We'll call you Okay, biblically based what else?
44:42: Okay, God exalting or could I for you read? Phrase that is God -centered God is the object of praise good excellent.
44:52: What else edifying that it builds up good Easy to sing as a group.
45:00: That's a good One that I don't have here. Let me give you a few of these I got most of these from Steve camp and instead of coming up with my own
45:08: I'll make comments of my own but the quotes are from him number one does the song have scriptural integrity as We first said is it doctrinally sound is it biblically precise does it teach us right things about God?
45:22: Peyton said did the music ministry today caused the Word of Christ to dwell in me richly
45:28: And that a good question did the music ministry at the church caused the Word of God to dwell in me richly.
45:35: I Think that's got to be a must Secondly does the music support the lyrics or does it accompany it as MacArthur used to always say
45:48: Being holy holy holy to the tune of Yankee Doodle Dandy You can although don't do it too often alone are in public, but it just doesn't sound right does it it's just there's a
46:03: It's just a disconnect Thirdly, this is excellent.
46:09: Do the songs engage your mind? Do the songs engage your mind? Do they get you to think?
46:15: Worship is thinking right thoughts about God and saying yes, I am acknowledging that as you sing them Simple is not bad
46:25: Some repetition isn't even bad. I think of Psalm 136 and the loving kindness of the
46:30: Lord is what? everlasting Now Chuck Swindoll is right he hates 711 songs and most 711 songs
46:39: I hate to Seven words repeat it 11 times with your head back 711 songs, you know that you just you know by the fourth time through you're going.
46:50: Oh, you know, what's pastor preaching again today? When am I gonna get that carnation for Mother's Day?
46:56: You know, you're just kind of like, you know around and around you want to be your mind engaged Love the
47:02: Lord your God with all your heart soul what? Mind and strength in the Old Testament your heart talk about your mind
47:09: And so Deuteronomy code was to love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and strength
47:16: Implicit in that was with your mind and what was implicit in the Old Testament Jesus makes explicit and says heart soul mind and strength
47:25: Peyton said who writes a lot of good stuff about music shallowness invites thoughtlessness
47:32: Simple songs are good Shallow songs are not good because then you're just going to think about all kinds of other things
47:40: Lewis So the focus should be the the music should accompany not override
47:59: Yeah, when I went to Saddleback I've been there several times the music is so loud and there's so much the theme that I'm not really singing along I'm just kind of singing while the bands up there performing
48:09: And if a band wants to get up and perform and it's a coffee house environment or something Like that I'm fine with that But block made a good point congregational singing so much so that some people who are very reformed will never have congregational singing
48:23: Excuse me. We'll never have specialists and soloists They would not allow that my friend's church
48:29: Steve Duncan Kim's brother his church will know we will not have any kind of solos at All because then we're watching someone sing to God that was
48:37: Calvin's view of worship as well you're watching someone sing to God you're not singing as well and So much so that some
48:43: Puritans would put the choir loft in the back of the church So you're not saying oh, you know that choir robe seems to be wrinkled today.
48:51: Why'd she do that? Did you see that guy's haircut? I can't believe that What's that little mark on his nose today?
48:57: Why did he it's like he cut himself shaving You know, it's like, you know, you ask all these questions
49:03: But when you just have the people behind you that sing out you don't say that as much. I Want to have the bulk of our church singing congregational singing but we want to get away from lowest common denominator stuff is what we want
49:18: To get away from especially if the preaching from the pulpits not that you want to try it if this was all a bunch of brand -new
49:25: Christians and all of a sudden we were down in Sri Lanka and 80 of you got saved.
49:30: Well, maybe we pick different songs. So you would learn Christian doctrine In an elementary fashion as we preached fundamentals of the faith series from the pulpit kind of thing
49:40: Number four is the song Theocentric as Heather said is it God centered?
49:46: Let's look at an example turn to Exodus 15 of one of the most God -centered songs in all the
49:52: Bible and it's all about God That's why I hate songs like Debbie Boone's you light up my life.
50:00: I hate songs That are all talking about God But I could switch
50:06: God's name and Kim's name and still sing with passion You know talking about it was you light of my life was written by Debbie Boone as a
50:15: Christian song. Did you know that? You light up my life when I was at Saddleback to three years ago with Dave we
50:24: Special music was a Celine Dion song That was a song about some guy
50:31: I presume and now we're gonna be singing about God I just thought you know out of all the songs you can pick I just not so sure about that Well matter of fact,
50:38: I am sure I'm very sure that I wouldn't do that Look at Psalm Exodus 15 how
50:46: God -centered and this goes right along with dr. Block not picking songs about how much we've done for God That's why
50:53: I love song One what is it 513? Oh how he loves you and me super simple song
51:02: But with profound truth, oh how he loves you and me because my love for God today maybe isn't too good
51:09: Jesus to Calvary did go his life a ransom to did show what he did there brought hope from despair
51:15: Oh how he loves you and me now if you sing it 900 times I've got a problem if you sing it through twice as a great song simple, but talking about God's love for us look at Exodus 15 we'll only do this quickly, but I Will sing to the
51:32: Lord for what verse 2 he's highly exalted exalted Not verse 2.
51:37: Sorry, that's still in verse 1 Corson Ryder he hurled into the sea verse 2 the
51:43: Lord Yahweh's my strength and song. He has become my salvation This is my God and I will praise him my father's
51:49: God and I will extol him The Lord is a warrior. The Lord is his name verse 4. He cast those chariots into the sea and drowned those officers
51:59: Verse 6 your right hand the Lord is majestic in power your right hand the Lord shatters the enemy One man went through some
52:05: Exodus 15 and he counted 45 references in these 18 verses to God and exalting
52:11: God That's pretty good. Even if he's off by either either plus or minus 10 Focusing on God not some kind of sentimentalism as Steve camp calls it.
52:21: We don't want to have You know the talk about the man upstairs and our higher power and he said this biblical literate illiteracy
52:29: I've coined as theological eubonics biblical language and Fifthly praise for specifics
52:39: Praising God for specific things you see that in Exodus chapter 15 song should praise
52:44: God for specific things Remember when we looked at Revelation 5 last week with dr
52:50: Block for thou was slain and that is purchased with thy blood men from every tribe tongue people and nation specific praises
52:59: Can you think of anything else those are the five that I had how do you pick songs now? There are other things too
53:05: You have to have those who don't like any contemporary Christian music and only like hymns say to themselves
53:11: Well for the sake of other Christians here I will have will sing contemporary songs and those who only like contemporary say for the preferences of others
53:19: I'll sing some of the hymns as well and Those who say well, I'd go to church or don't go to this church because I don't like the music
53:28: I think I think there's a big problem. The problem is you And the problem is this is the way
53:34: I like worship when you're not thinking about the 85 year old saint And you're also not thinking about the 12 year old new baton newly baptized kid
53:42: And so if you like harder music faster music livelier music Great go buy it and rock on It's fine.
53:52: I don't care crank up the stereo But you think about corporate worship
53:57: And so you think about the preferences of all and making sure that we don't offend from music
54:02: The music at our church used to be faster and louder and I'll tell you I don't think I've ever said this publicly
54:07: But I'll say it now Even with Lewis and Dallas here You guys came and visited and I said our music is louder and faster
54:17: And there's drums and bongos and a variety of other things not every song But I thought I don't want to have a
54:23: Lewis and a Dallas walk into our church and say they teach the Bible but the music's too loud and too
54:32: Too extreme why Some younger people come in and they'll say, you know, this music is too soft.
54:40: This music is not, you know I want a little more clapping and and getting riled up and pumping me up and all that stuff
54:46: I would rather I don't want anybody to be lost, but I'd rather lose that young person
54:52: Then I lose a Lewis and a Dallas because I want to shoot for those who are mature in the faith
54:59: We don't put our worship services together for those who are immature in their faith and immaturity says I like therefore
55:05: I want or I'm going out the door. That's an immature faith. It's not about you it's about how does the congregation at a whole worship and when you want to go home and you want to Put your
55:17: Tarzan robe on and jump up and down on a pogo stick to faster music and say this is for God's glory
55:23: It is immature, but it's fine Whatever you want to do.
55:28: And so the thing is when people say well, I don't like the music that may be the case But I really don't try to say
55:35: I know this person won't like this or I know that person won't like that Is it God -centered? Does it have lyrics and music that accompany each other?
55:42: Is it biblical? Does it teach that and will it offend those who are the most mature who say
55:47: I want good Bible teaching and all this other Stuff so just a bunch of hype that every other church growth church does So right around those times
55:56: I thought you know If I've got to make a decision the 25 year old immature person are the
56:02: I don't know how old you are Lewis the 39 year old Lewis Brown and you say well, what do you do if you're a pastor?
56:11: You're sunk. You cannot please everybody So you say
56:17: Lord, this is for you. I'm gonna please the Lord I hope people are patient with me pray for the music ministry
56:23: You pray for new songs you pray for those that come from a charismatic church where everything's fast And then now they say it's slow you pray for those who who come from a like I did
56:33: I was a punk rock disc jockey. And so now all this kind of fast heavy music when
56:38: I first got saved Legalistically, I said that's all wrong Everything about secular music is wrong and I threw everything away now when
56:46: I back up a little bit I say well There's a few albums not punk rock per se But there's a few things that I have that it doesn't offend me anymore because I've grown and I have more
56:54: Liberty But I don't come here and say okay Well, we can't have any kind of guitar here because I think all guitars are satanic and all played upside down you know
57:06: For those of you that know the music industry, you know, people have played guitars upside down before so you're stuck though If you're a pastor, so what are the lyrics?
57:15: Is it God honoring? Is it God centered does the music accompany that and if people say it's still not fast enough for me.
57:21: I love you But convince me any other way and it's not kind of coffee house deal
57:27: If you want to have coffee house and rock out you can do that. But in terms of public worship you have to be
57:35: Well, I could put it this way and I'm not trying to throw my weight around you basically have to submit to the elders
57:41: And say they've made those decisions if I'm ever an elder I'm gonna make different decisions, but you just have to make a decision and try to Not shoot for the middle but shoot for you.
57:50: So you don't offend those who are really biblically mature and also You know, here's what
57:56: I do. I'm just telling you this is totally honest I'll say I know some people will come they'll say I don't really like the music at the church
58:02: But I'll put up with it for the preaching I'm at that's that's exactly what
58:07: I want Because in time you'll come to love some hymns. I mean that last what was that's him that Haley picked today
58:14: I did not go to her to pick it, but you just talk about these great hymns and you say I love that him
58:20: Rich and nine times out of ten hymns will be better But not always some of the songs that Charlie has been picking lately in Christ alone.
58:27: Isn't that a good song? We have the Jew doxology that's nothing but scripture and the one about how deep the
58:34: Father's love for us Just several weeks ago. We had somebody come to the church and they said
58:39: I'm not into contemporary Christian music I said, I think you'll like it here. I think you'll see that it's tempered.
58:44: You're not going to be offended They heard Charlie practicing five minutes before nine in Christ alone
58:52: Only is mercy those songs and got up and walked out and have not been back I'll see those folks
58:58: I can't I can't please because there's nothing wrong with the contemporary Christian song the other folks who want faster stuff
59:05: I Only can please in the sense that go ahead and listen to those kind of records on your own and it just doesn't have to Be public worship
59:11: All right. I'm ranting and raving. Let me give you a few other things. We've got to go Wow It's late a
59:18: Couple other things if you're in a band, you should be accountable to the leaders of your church if someone says to me oh,
59:29: I'm in a band and I Do this and I do that. I don't want to Run anybody's life, but I've always appreciated when somebody would say to their elder board.
59:39: Here's our music Here's how many times I'm away from my wife. Here's my tour schedule. Here's everything else
59:45: It's Christian ministry and just would you make sure I'm accountable for lyrics and everything else? And you know what?
59:51: I would do to that person when they came to me with that I'd say I'd say good for you.
59:57: You think I'd hardly ever call them, but it's the ones who say well I've kind of got this ministry and nobody's over me and everything else
01:00:03: I'm always wondering and that's one of the problems when you go, huh? What is it about Sandy Patti? What is it about Amy Grant?
01:00:09: What is it about these people that don't report to anyone? What is it about one of my best friends growing up Christian music singer went down to Nashville went on the road
01:00:18: Christian background singer He and her got hooked up together Committed adultery and then what with the ministry.
01:00:27: Is there any ministry that's out of the local church? That's not under the elder board is a wanna is
01:00:35: Nursery is anything and then all of a sudden no, it's a separate thing and we are under the accountability of the record label
01:00:41: That's who we report to I just think it's all wrong You say oh you just want to control everybody.
01:00:47: I don't I have enough things to do I'm not trying to get involved in your life But I think if you write Christian lyrics, you should say hey, you know
01:00:54: I want to make sure that I was saying everything for the glory of God. Hey Dave Jeffries Would you just check to make sure these lyrics are fine?
01:01:00: He's gonna say that's exactly right Why don't you just make them God's Center like that every time? Amen? Because the elders aren't here to say no the elders are here to say we want to help you grow in your faith to make your ministry more excellent
01:01:17: Be careful of people's theological bents Integrity Hosanna is
01:01:23: Pentecostal post mill the rock strong tower You just need to know what you're getting vineyard is highly oriented on feelings
01:01:32: Everybody has backgrounds and you just need to know if you pick up a book by Baker You know, it's gonna be reformed if you pick up a book by Moody You're gonna know it's such -and -such when you go to these record labels.
01:01:41: They have their bins. I Do have two books that I'm gonna recommend that I don't like to read and these are anti -contemporary
01:01:49: Christian music Why I left the contemporary Christian music scene. This is another guy used to write for Deep Purple or some of these bands
01:01:56: If not has Rick you rejected everything I'm not rejecting contemporary Christian music and another one measuring the music another look at contemporary music if it's contemporary
01:02:05: It's bad and you know, the lead singer is gonna be Chuck, you know biting the heads of doves off and spitting them out
01:02:11: You know, it's just like everything's bad. These books are legalistic and not very good a few good points
01:02:16: But a broken clock's right twice a day as well. You need to read something like this contemporary worship music hymns are great
01:02:23: There's some good contemporary stuff as well. By the way with the book of Psalms Why are there no musical notes in the book of Psalms?
01:02:33: Because I think the Bible is so transcon Trans Chronological that we're just we're supposed to make up music every generation every tribe every kindred every different background where we make up the the music that's commensurate with these great songs and Soon in Ephesians.
01:02:53: I'm going to preach on singing psalms and we do a rotten job of it And we're gonna start singing more songs, but they don't have to all be
01:03:00: Dour and all with a bunch of flats we can sing other psalms that are more up -tempo But we need to sing some more psalms.
01:03:07: I can just hear Bob. We're in the background saying amen All right. I have all kinds of stuff on this.
01:03:18: I want to tell you Ray Bolton story, but I probably should Okay comments about music and then we'll quit any comments at all our questions
01:03:29: Dave That's exactly right.
01:03:46: It's central when I grew up There was a little platform over here and a little platform over here And here's where you kind of read and here's you preaching nothing was in the center
01:03:52: And so the preaching needs to be in the center. It needs to be big I'd actually prefer a bigger pulpit just a monstrosity of a pulpit.
01:03:59: So when the pastor gets up here It's just thunder out of Exodus as it were Sent lifted up and high not because I'm back here.
01:04:06: But just that's if I'm sitting there. That's what I want as well and The music as well.
01:04:11: We have that there kind of just to block all the wires and everything It doesn't block them all but the focus is on the preaching of the word and if you get the right kind think about Pyrenee Why is there hardly anything in the
01:04:23: Bible about Pyrenee? There are some things but there's not very much. Why is there hardly anything in the
01:04:29: Bible about music? there's a lot of lyrics in the Bible a lot of stuff about what kind of instruments you can have and your
01:04:36: Heart and all that because the main reason is if you're the right kind of person You'll be the right kind of parent And if you're the right kind of elder board, you're gonna sing the right kind of music
01:04:44: It's right kind of person. You're gonna sing the right kind of music because it's not really about the externals is Rap music.
01:04:50: Okay with Christian lyrics is acid rock Okay with Christian lyrics those questions we can talk about sometime.
01:04:56: That's not the issue I'm after about who you are because the right lyrics will come Yes, Ryan question
01:05:03: Heather Sit so we could have me can you have music that serves as corporate worship, but no lyrics.
01:05:29: I think it is worship and the church that I came from Christopher Parkin is a world -class classical guitarist and Occasionally for special music he'll play and there's no one singing
01:05:41: Sometimes they'll show some of the lyrics in the bulletin So if you like to go along with it, but sometimes you just sit there and you think this man is doing it for God This is
01:05:50: God has skilled him to do it and we just think about the wonderful Grace of God and music and I think it's worship.
01:05:56: And I think we I would allow that sir for certain I Would like one day at our church
01:06:03: For on one Sunday, we could have Charlie and the folks here the next Sunday We could have a full orchestra with French horn and violin and flute and trumpet then the next week we have
01:06:13: You know more classical music. I mean, there's a variety of things we could do it doesn't always have to be the same, but it's the mark of a smaller church when you
01:06:22: Mean I'm we're not Grace Church. We can't we can't have a 90 -piece classical ensemble at the moment But you never know
01:06:30: Pardon me Need a bigger stage. That's right Yes Does it appeal to the flesh or does it edify us?
01:06:45: Yes And so you have to be careful too because if you have a bunch of up -tempo songs all at once and then all I get up here to preach
01:06:52: You kind of want the music to build up to the preaching not because it's me But because it's the
01:06:57: Word of God and so you want that to all lead up to that and that's why every song Like someone once said to me, why can't we clap more in this church?
01:07:04: I said we can clap it's fine because the Bible says clap your hands all you people, you know The Bible says clapping is fine
01:07:09: You can clap if you want, but I said if you want to play these games you count how many Psalms there are
01:07:15: There's 150 Psalms and 6a clapping then let's see. Let's clap 6 out 150 times
01:07:20: No, we don't always have to clap. It doesn't always have to be so Emotionally up some can be calm or some can be more silent.
01:07:27: I guarantee you when you read some of these vengeance Psalms they're going to have a different kind of flavor than Psalm 150 that we looked at and I think they need to match because There's you know
01:07:38: Psalm 97, I think these imprecatory Psalms It's kind of like the you know Spurgeon said to his ministerial students when you preach on the glories have of heaven.
01:07:46: Let your face shine Think about heaven and you're preaching about let your face smile and be enthusiastic and when you preach about hell your normal face will do
01:08:00: So your your preaching is commensurate with what kind of music I mean that the lyrics and the type of song
01:08:05: I think need to go together and that's why I wouldn't say at our church. Let's have a punk rock music with Reformed lyrics as part of our worship service if someone wants to do that in their own leisure
01:08:20: They can even if their own worship they're saying I'm gonna worship God as I drive and shout these lyrics out
01:08:26: And so it's okay by me, but for a public worship. I just think we have to think about the
01:08:32: Lord and also then the people So It's hard if you don't think this is hard There's nothing harder than music and also someone saying pastor my kids ate and he wants to be baptized and I think he's really saved
01:08:46: It what are you gonna? Do you're if you pay if you have a date for salvation an age?
01:08:52: You're sunk, but you got to pick something. Where are you gonna stop six four three two?
01:08:58: Yes It's a big question, and I'll just do it quickly since my wife's in nursery.
01:09:19: Hi, honey Two different services one contemporary more contemporary instead of blended in the other one straight traditional
01:09:26: We did that several years ago when we had two services. I don't like it I don't like it because it splits up the congregation more we have enough differences
01:09:33: I mean you look around how many differences do we have tons? Why should we have more so corporately? That's just I think every service if you have the people should have similar worship
01:09:44: Songs and then we can you know have our own self expressions later, and so I wouldn't want to do that I know churches do and you know church is better than this, but I I just think it's too tough to do just like If we have a bunch of adults, let's say this church goes to a thousand
01:10:00: I I'm not I'm gonna try to get away from we have the 25 to 30 year old Single people with nine points on the driver's license, and we also have 31 to 35 who've had two corporate
01:10:11: America jobs But now they want to kind of you know be a blue -collar worker and all these other things and everything's fragmented
01:10:17: I was I was I lost when I was a kid hanging out with like a spiritual grandpa
01:10:24: That's what the younger the younger ones the 25 year olds can be around a 65 year old and put some fire in the bones
01:10:30: Of the 65 year old and then the 65 year old can give what the 25 year old thinks he has but doesn't wisdom
01:10:39: Now if you're I'm sorry. I mean no yeah, I know Nate. How old do you need? 24 well,
01:10:45: I didn't say 24 year olds, but you know what I'm saying I Don't have the fire in my belly that I used to at 25 and No 25 year old can have 65 year old person's wisdom, so I like the congregation to mix
01:10:58: And if I had young kids, I'd say you know I'm gonna do what I can to have my kids Hang out with that guy over there and this spiritual grandpa and everything else and then you know as you serve the spirit of spiritual grandfather is helped too because When you serve you get blessed by God, okay?
01:11:15: We got to stop Lewis I Think that's an excellent point probably what we'd have to do is say
01:12:04: As our next number six has it stood the test of time and if it hasn't could it?
01:12:10: Right because some songs we would never know until it's the time all right well
01:12:17: I'm not trying to stop because I don't want to ask any more questions. We're gonna pray no no final song and We'll be done all right father.
01:12:26: Thank you for our time tonight, and I'm thankful for these dear people It's Mother's Day And they come out and they want to have fellowship they want to sing and they want to learn and I pray that you'd bless
01:12:35: Them for that. Thank you for giving them that desire Thank you that we can love your word more than our own food and that you grow us through our desire for the word and our intake of the word and You perform your work and those who believe through your word, and I pray we'd be those kind of people and father
01:12:51: I pray for our church. I pray that our music might be exalting. I pray. I know we have blind spots
01:12:56: I pray that you would help us with those I pray for the people here that come and have different musical styles that you'd continue to give them a wonderful heart of Deferring and submission and father we pray that you would never have our church and be one that would be divisive because of music
01:13:12: Our homeschool or anything else Thank you for what you're doing and we pray I pray for Some of the people in our own congregation who are musical and are we talented
01:13:21: I pray that they would write some great songs God -centered songs and father that you would give us ears to hear them as well in Jesus name