Abdullah Kunde

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Whatever time it is where you are. Welcome to the dividing line today. I I shouldn't do this right before doing the program, but I followed a link actually, it was a tweet and I I Admit, you know, I've debated Douglas Wilson and you know, there are places we we do not see eye-to-eye.

But the man is a wordsmith. He really really is and I You know, we played some sections from his recent foray into American edge to the American educational system which demonstrated of course the utter bankruptcy of the thought processes of those involved in the American educational system, but certainly made me rather worried about the the future in this in this country to be to be certain but evidently that has started quite a quite a backlash and I was just reading the the post he just put up and Just just first two paragraphs is having participate in two uproars back-to-back and Intent and in I can't even say right and in anticipation of a hat-trick I wanted to set out a few things that describe what is actually going on and what I believe to be at stake.

I have already outlined the basic two-step that usually runs pick an offense. Demand an apology if you get an apology pick a new offense demand an apology. If you don't get an apology make that the new offense and demand an apology.

You can work your way completely around the ballroom this way. But only if the designated target accepts your invitation to dance which some of them still do mysteriously. I mean, that's just That is just that's exactly right.

That's how it works that's You know, the most public discourse is so vacuous so empty that if if you actually if we could develop a Drug that we could spray into the atmosphere That required you it made you only speak when you had something meaningful to say the world would be such a quiet place.

I Mean, can you imagine CNN would go off the air? MSNBC would implode ABC yes. Just just amazing stuff. But I just I just happen to see that right before when I said the comment that I gotta admit Douglas Wilson is is Really really good.

Responding to Abdullah Kunde on the Trinity and John 1

We're gonna do the program today is I'm gonna start off responding to Abdullah Kunda who has written a response to some of my comments, but actually not quite what he's doing is Responding to the chapter in my book on the Trinity on Jesus as God which I guess content contains the section on ego I me as well and He's posted that at the debate initiative comm which is the MDI website.

The MDI website formerly including the individual by the name of Paul Blau Williams who is no longer with MDI and I published an article sometime would have appeared yesterday morning, I guess Either Sunday evening in regards to Paul Williams Doing doing a Carl Keating.

Well People shouldn't debate that man. They're just give him credibility. He doesn't deserve. And it's you know Everybody who has actually engaged me knows that that's just that's just absurd. But that's what people do when they don't want to have their their statements challenged.

Abdullah on the other hand is is trying to interact with some of the things of saying so I can respond to that for the first part part of the program gonna try to go for a jumbo today, we'll see how that works lots and lots of things going on that need to get to so I mean I would love to do a mega today or something like that, but there's just things got to be done only so many hours in a day and So we we press on and then as I promised in in the second half of the program and y 'all can remind me when I've gone 45 minutes and the second half for him get back to Harry Knox because certainly I Finished my second run through Michael Brown's book a queer thing happened to America and may I?

May I say once again to everyone in the audience and that means you If you have not read this book you need to read this book if you you you will have so much more of a basis upon which to Interact with what's going on in our culture if you will but take the time To read it's on it's on Kindle so you can listen to like I did Michael Brown's wonderful book a queer thing happened to America and And however you need to get hold of it have whatever mechanism you need to read it because You will be so equipped to point out the massive double standards.

I mean What happened to Penn State? I just sit back and I laugh and A lot a lot of my Christians. Oh, there's this wonderful. Yeah, well first of all the whole thing about vacating. You know changing history.

They didn't actually win that game. I find just completely Mind-boggling you know I I do not like the idea of changing history at all history is history. Okay, don't don't I? Go read 1984 again go read Animal Farm don't change history.

Okay, history is an important part of the present and the future don't change it. Don't pretend that you can that that bugs me. But the whole reason that I just I just sit back is I look at this culture and I see it going nuts and I go do these people not realize they do not have a Single shred of ethical or moral foundation to stand upon to be making these pronouncements.

These are the this is the administration the current administration that invites People who are well-known pedophiles into the White House. Yeah, I know they're homosexuals at the same time, but they're well known to be pedophiles as well people who have been a part of Nambla and They're in the White House and yet.

You're you're you're going nuts about this now. I agree. It's absolutely evil, but I have a basis for saying what Jerry Sandusky did was evil. My basis is being mocked by the society. So what basis do they have?

To be mocking this man and to be honest. It's terrible. It's just disgusting why? That that particular movement is at the same level right now that the homosexuals that were back in the 1970s. Your children will be looking back.

You're going why were you people so upset about Penn State and Jerry Sandusky because they won't understand if we keep going down this road. They won't understand. They will be so morally bankrupt that they will have no earthly idea you people sure were puritanical back, then if you thought there was something wrong about intergenerational love.

That's what's coming. That's what's coming. There's no way to hit the brakes without completely changing the moral fabric of this society. Hi anyway. That's why you got it you got to read. I got to go back because Michael Brown started off with President Obama's words and The people he was addressing and then he Provides a documentation that these people have been part of NAMBLA in the past or they've been involved with this that or the other thing and Nobody cares because as long as they're promoting homosexuality, we don't have to worry about the rest that stuff.

Yeah, and it was Not to worry about that. Just you know, you need to read the book. Especially and even the last chapters were really good because they were talking about People who for example, I may have to reverse the order of doing things here.

Because I'm saying it's paying so much time here. But people for example, there are people who do not feel that they should have legs. Do you know that? There are people who are tortured by the existence of their legs their their view of their body.

The let their legs are an extension of their body that they should not have they cannot be happy as long as they have their legs. Jerry Springer Had a man on the program a number of years ago. This isn't a book.

I was listening to it this morning had a man of the program. He's sitting there in a wheelchair in a dress and a wig and His dress shows two stumps of legs he removed his legs from the knees down with a saw by himself and now he wears women clothes women's clothing and When Jerry Springer in the audience are interacting with him at first.

They don't have any problem with his being a drag queen a Transvestite no problem with that at all, but they think cutting your legs off is stupid they're willing to mock him for that and then They brought his family on.

And you know what? They're angry with him about he was married he had kids and While they thought the cutting of legs off was stupid what they were angry about Was driving his wife away alienated his kids and acting like a woman.

Isn't that interesting the society in the audience? Hey, we're we're open. You know, we'd have a problem with that but cut your legs off. That's silly. Yeah, and then the then the grandmother in in England Who has a baby with her grandson by artificial insemination of another woman.

Yeah incest intergenerational incest we don't care. We're in love we're made this way. Who are you people to say that's wrong and My question to the American population is who are you to say that's wrong?

You've abandoned the foundation upon which say that's wrong. If you say that's wrong. You're a hypocrite if you promote homosexuality and homosexual marriage and all this you are a hypocrite a Glowing hypocrite if you say oh, I'm for marriage freedom.

No, you're not. No, you're not. What's wrong? Why shouldn't they get to marry? You're not for marriage freedom. You're a hypocrite. You see you've abandoned the foundation quit Stealing my foundation if you are going to say to me as a Christian that I'm gonna mock you I am going to say you're a bigot.

I'm gonna say you're a homophobe. I'm gonna say that you are not what is best for our society. I'm gonna start saying that you're your person. Well, not start saying I'm gonna continue saying that your perspective Cannot be a part of what is being taught in our schools.

You know, you have no place in our in our Universities, we're gonna fire you if you even tell people that you believe things that we don't but okay. You don't want my my morality then you can't have it.

Quit borrowing my worldview just to prop yours up. Stop it. Be consistent. You want marriage freedom then everybody gets to marry. How about the woman that I read about yesterday? Who is in love is Sexually aroused and can only find sexual fulfillment By the Statue of Liberty, yeah, she lives in England.

She's taken five trips To New York to To visit the Statue of Liberty because Libby. Well, she has a six-foot-tall Replica of of Libby in her bedroom. Her house is filled with small replicas of Libby.

But it's only the real one there in New York That she actually can receive satisfaction from by touching and caressing it. What's wrong with that? That's the way she's made. Isn't it? I mean if sexuality is if it has enough if we are just animals and It's all just genetic.

You just made that way then you do not have any basis for being against polyamory and That's coming man. Let me tell you something if if things do not change if things do not change within one decade There will not be anything even closely related to the institution of marriage left in this society.

Because polyamory is coming down the line like you would not believe who? Who says it's one man and one woman or who says it's one woman one woman and one man and one man? Why what's what's relevant to that I mean in California they're already getting rid of the idea that you can only have two parents.

So let's have two women and two men. Three women two men why not? Who cares? We're just animals. Have fun. Enjoy life when you die. It's all over with. What's this? What's this Puritan morality anyways?

You've got no basis. You know people. The the grandmother and her grandson who are you to judge? Judge not lest he be judged right so anyway I guess what I'll I guess I'll need to do is I'll just need to switch the the topics and and what was going with Harry Knox right now because that's where I got going and then we'll go.

We'll go back to Abdullah. Sorry Abdullah if you happen to be listening. We'll do that the second half of the program because that's that's where we are. I mean, I am just so Sick and tired does does Chick-fil-a deliver we need to find out Chick-fil-a delivers.

Unfortunately, they used to be met. You said they used to be a Metro Center, didn't they? Yeah, they're not there anymore. Unfortunately I wish they were. Huh? Yeah, up Arrowhead. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna have to Arrowhead's a long ways from me though.

Yeah, he's got a car. Yeah, I think driving 30 miles for for lunch is is a little bit a little bit out of the way. But I would love to go to Chick-fil-a. Because of what's going going on there and the fact that you've got Christians who actually say yeah, we actually promote.

We promote. I am so sick and tired of here traditional marriage. How about just a saying the only definition of marriage that makes one stinking bit of sense. How's that? How about the only meaningful use the term marriage?

How's that? See, this is why people they look at me and they go. Oh, he's such a hothead. We can't have him speak us. He's scary. He's such a hothead. Let me tell you something. There are a bunch of people I could name names of.

Of conservative leaders that would like to say what I say, but they can't. They've just got too much in the balance not in the sense they're compromising in the sense that they're just they they're they're trying to hold way too much stuff together and they They would like to say what I say.

They just don't have the freedom to say what I say and as long as I have the freedom I guess I need to say it. I don't know how long I'm gonna have the freedom. Was there something you wish to you've got the studio audience over on the internet hunting for the closest?

Chick-fil-a, it's it's Arrowhead Deer Valley, what's I 17 and what? Yeah, I guess that's a little bit closer there's a straight line yeah, it's it's a little bit closer. But you guys really seriously talking about getting some chick-fil-a for lunch.

Hey, I'm up for it. I Am I'm definitely up for it. I would I would I'd go for it in a second and and if you go. Tell them when you're standing there. I'm here getting this big order. Because your president said we believe in marriage is that trip too far.

I mean come on if you're gonna support him no no no travel it do it. I guess not. Turretin fan is saying we're on a tangent now, but he's a bot so he doesn't eat food. Understand they want to know what you want.

Well, I don't know. Chicken strips and and and waffle fries. I guess isn't that what they have you know that's that's that's we'll do it anyway. Everybody knows we're having for lunch today. All right.

You cannot listen to this stuff. You cannot. I feel sorry for squirrel though poor squirrel. He loves chick-fil-a and the closest chick-fil-a to him is like five hundred and eighty-five miles. He knows exactly how far it is.

He's googling because he loves chick-fil-a. But he but he lives and you know he lives on the moon. You know yeah, I feel sorry for report squirrel you you cannot even begin to Listen to what's going on in our culture today without.

If you love consistency if you love truth if you're a person who attempts to use language to to accurately express Truthfulness. Our societal discussion right now is painful to listen to it is painful to listen to.

I Obviously again thinking about Michael's book he documents so many people. One named crystal was her last name crystal something someone in channel might might remember if you've read the book Fired from the University of Toledo for having said in a newspaper.

You know opinion piece basically That Homosexuals should not be trying to hijack the civil rights issue because it's not an issue of civil rights. She was fired fired and Listening to the homosexuals who were and the homosexual advocates who were defending her firing.

Amazing five hundred fifty point four miles. Thank you squirrel just just Corrected me. I was close you gotta admit. You've got admit I mean just off top my head. What was I within seven miles seven point six miles of that what I say five hundred fifty eight or so I that was pretty good just off top my head personally, I think.

But I will think of you while we have lunch today. Yeah, I will I will think of you. Anyhow, what was I saying? Oh, yes listening to homosexuals. You just wonder folks. Do you do you listen to yourselves?

You cannot possibly live consistently with the way you're speaking because you don't use Words to mean what the words of all is meant. Now I'm not telling you anything you don't know here but Whatever happened to the actual meaning of the words diversity and inclusiveness is this not New speak now, what's what's new speak?

Now again, and I'm talking to a few people I can see through the window right now if you haven't read 1984 You need to read 1984 and Don't don't just don't just go. Well, I did in high school because The people in the window are old enough that high school was a long time ago Was a very long time ago for one of them in the window Up where he lived there only went through eighth grade.

So I mean, you know after that you had to go work on the farm. You know, they didn't have enough horses to get you to the one school run room schoolhouse type thing. But anyway You need to read 1984 because It's it's a work of fiction, right?

No, it's it's a work of prophecy. I Can see in 1984 English socialism has taken over and it's it's it's there in London and One of the really really scary things is That the the ruling government the party Big brother, that's where the phrase came from big brother.

And that's why I liked about Michael's book as he said one of his chapters is big brother is watching you and he's definitely gay big brother one of the ways that they control the party and the society is through the language that they're they are in fact one of the people working on this talks about the beauty of the destruction of words and By controlling the language you control the way people Express themselves and hence how they think and I am very concerned because as I look at the next generation.

Yeah, there there are still a few there. There are still a few who? Who love literature and love the the breadth of language, but would you not all agree with me that? Technology in general has greatly diminished the vocabulary of the average Westerner, I mean, we know how to use lol and raffle and stuff like that which Generations before us didn't use but if you read what generations before us actually read.

How many times do you have to go to dictionary .com? To to figure out what they were saying. Very few of us try to expand the vocabularies now. I've got some freaks in my chat channel I mean absolutely we have one bot Turretin fan.

Who is hosted on some some server someplace? It's it's in a it's in Russia. Yeah, it's it's a Russian server. And then we've got mutato the alter-ego of Milo Hotzenbuehler and Then we got a book which you know books are obviously big into Vocabulary and they sit around they play games that do require you to have a wider vocabulary, but.

But they're like I said they're freaks. They're not the norm anymore. We go back and read stuff that people are writing only 100 150 years ago and we're always like, oh wow. Their syntax is more complex and and they use a lot of vocabulary that just wouldn't naturally flow from us anymore in newspeak.

You want an economy of words? You don't want to have a rich vocabulary to express. Well viewpoints it would be somewhat Contrary to the governmental view of things. So the government gets to control your thought by your speech you see and That's what's that's what's going on.

Words no longer have meanings. I'm sorry, but almost no one who goes into diversity training in a Corporation in the United States today or in Europe or the United Kingdom or Australia Will actually be introduced to diversity.

They're going to be introduced to the exact opposite of diversity they're going to be introduced to a singular view a mono vision. That does not allow for any type of Of expression opposite to the orthodoxy of the society.

They're not they're not. Just how many people who have gone through these things? Right now those of you listening right now. You have gone through diversity training and you're in your Your your corporation my dear wife had to go through diversity training recently.

How many of you were given the freedom to express Christian perspectives on morality and ethics or was it not very clear that it was your very Perspectives that could not be expressed in the workplace because of fear of offense now whether you were offended or not irrelevant irrelevant which means That doesn't mean diversity.

That's not diversity. That's one perspective parading under the under a word that once had one meaning and now it has the opposite meaning and How in 1984? How did that work? Well you the media was completely controlled by the government you had the the telescreen and So You would you would hear this language being used and that's What you that's that was the the clues you had as to how you were to speak and if you would express yourself differently than that would put you in danger of being denounced for thought crime and That's where we're going.

That is where we right now if if you don't recognize that hate crimes laws Mean we now have fought police go to the UK. Asked the shop owner that dare to have Bible verses displaying on a television screen and Who gets interviewed by the cops or the street preachers get interviewed?

They want to know what your intentions were what's in your heart? What's in your mind the thought police are already there? And they are all they are they they control the universities and they control the media.

There's just no question about it. The language is already in place and now words that once had one meaning don't mean that anymore diversity Does not mean diversity. Diversity means believing what a particular political perspective says specifically about ethics and morals marriage and homosexuality and abortion.

It's amazing how they somehow link the murder of unborn children into the midst of all that, isn't it? How about inclusiveness? It now means the exact opposite it means the exact opposite to be inclusive means you exclude What the society once believed?

Christian values are excluded. Because it's necessary to exclude them to be inclusive and and there are there are people with piles of Letters after their names who will speak like this and think like this and it never crosses their mind.

That they are absolutely destroying the language and you wonder why the government wants your children. So they can absolutely cram this into their minds. Yeah, there you go, oh My son just reaffirmed what you all discovered that there is a Chick-fil-a and i -17 the 101 so that's a that's that's reaffirmation that it's still there and it's it's still open.

All right, if I don't get to this, we're not gonna get very far at all. We're trying to get very far at all because Look, I'm sorry. I I relistened to all of Michael's the book and it's just some of us it almost felt like I had not even heard it before and and the amazing thing is it's only a year old and He could expand it by by two chapters.

He could he could expand it by two chapters right now, I Mean Obama coming out. Not coming out in that sense, but coming out and in support of the of the profanation of marriage. It I'm gonna encourage him to make it a living book in the sense of it, you know make it keep it electronically available.

And it's and keep expanding it. Keep adding to it. It needs it needs to be there. It really does and so if you haven't read it if you haven't read a queer thing happened America in 1984 then go get them I wouldn't mind if you also read the same-sex controversy.

It's gonna give you a lot of good biblical information but Get them read them. Recognize what's going on and You will you will be yeah amazon .aomin .org. I don't think we have 1984 there, but We we could get it we should get it we should put 1984 in there as quickly as possible.

Anyways, let's get back. This is a debate took place took place. Sorry in 2008. We started listening to it last month I got sidetracked. I apologize. Harry Knox was at the time for with the human rights campaign Which is not has a it has nothing whatsoever to do with human rights.

It is a pro-homosexual organization that Seeks to suppress the rights of Christians. Actually, he claims to be a Christian, of course but We're listening to his I believe it's his opening presentation here.

It's sort of that rhythmic type thing and Then we're gonna listen to the response and so on and so forth. Let's get back into it for my partner and.

The generative creativity of our shared life or the ecstatic community we feel on the rare and sacred occasions when our bodies speak of love and trust and Sacrifice and mutual care in language unutterable.

But I do understand how unspeakably bad it is to value anything of this world more than we value the God who created it. The message of Leviticus 18 and 19 is that we must be willing to stand out in order to call the world away from idolatry.

That's the that's the message of Leviticus 18 and 19. I would agree that The message is against idolatry. The problem is you have a man here who is so wedded to his idolatry that he is willing to twist the creator-creation distinction.

Twist the created order and call it good. That is called the twistedness good. Here is one who stands outside of God and demands God you must be like this. For me to worship you we should worship the one true God but I get to determine the nature of that worship and the nature of The created order in light of my own disordered sexuality.

That's that's what you're listening to.

Here's what makes my hands and my heart quake. You and I have been called to ministry whether lay or ordained at a time of great ferment in the church. We love. Most of the denominations that purport to represent Christ are in great thrall of a great idol Called the unity of the church.

They are heaping before its unblinking visage the bodies and souls of your lesbian and gay sisters and brothers in an attempt to satisfy What cannot be sated?

Now is an amazing perspective. We've already seen some pretty amazing statements from from Harry Knox and To be in his position really does require you to to so turn the Bible and the Christian faith upside down and reality inside out that We shouldn't be overly surprised but here most of us didn't realize and I'd never thought of because it's ridiculous, but most of you had never thought of the fact that the reason That the Christian Church Has Until recent decades.

Well, the real Christian Church continues. There's a lot out there that calls itself Christian. That isn't anything even closely related to Christian but has Said what Jesus said in Matthew chapter 19 that marriage is one man and one woman and that this is the God-ordained Relationship between the sexes and and all the rest that stuff was because of the unblinking visage of the idol of church unity.

Yeah, that's that's why my church does what it does. Yes, we we we've got we've got a big old unblinking idol down front called church unity we just want to we just want to get along with everybody and So because that then then that's why we we say what we say no that really doesn't have anything to do with it at all and in fact the most ecumenically minded people who call themselves Christians all tend to be supporters of homosexuality and The denominations that have collapsed on this issue all tend to be the most ecumenical of all the denominations and Toto so Yes, my church does have a a Bible down front that is that is what is it's a Bible.

There's another there's another big King James Bible on the pulpit big thing I'm always afraid when fry moves that thing over there that he's gonna knock his water down. It's gonna it's it's I know it's happened at least once it's gonna happen.

Eventually. It's gonna it's gonna happen. Anyway, we don't we do not have a big unblinking visit. In other words. This is the exact opposite of the reality and It tells you something that so often those who promote homosexuality See the Bible in the exact opposite of its actual meaning.

That that might say something. The idol always wants more and Never really gives anything in return. While over and around us weeps the God who requires only justice and Mercy as acceptable sacrifices.

I Turned to Paul's letter to the Roman Christians. Ancient Rome was full of temples to fertility gods and goddesses now.

What what are we if you have not if you don't remember? What we were listening to before? This is a smooth and for the vast majority of Americans very convincing. Romp through the Bible in Essence insisting that The Bible says nothing to a loving monogamous homosexual couple.

The fact that monogamous homosexuals are almost unknown. Almost unknown in the experience the homosexual community. We're not getting to that. But I say for the vast majority of people because vast majority of people have never read Leviticus they've they've never read Romans and so when you hear someone speaking with confidence and with a nice cadence and You hear them talking about?

Justice and love and and things like that. It's so easy if people do not value truth. It's so easy if people are. Are willing to go with their emotions? Rather than to go with the truth and hence analyze arguments and and be critical.

We don't want to be critical. We want to be accepting. We want to we want to be inclusive because everyone wants to be inclusive, right? Very convincing, but actually it's extremely surface level. Very simplistic and easily refuted if.

You dare actually show enough concern about the truth to do so. In those temples priests copulated with adolescents. You know, they were homeless kids with nowhere else to go.

Did that happen in Rome? I'm sure it did. Is that all that happened in Rome? No. There is that what has to do with Romans chapter 1. No. Romans chapter 1 actually addresses men with men not men with boys lusting after one another.

So. It's real easy again. You talk about homeless children, you know. Get the emotions going. Oh, this is about homeless children. Oh, Okay. That's not what Romans 1 is about but that's what the connections gonna be.

In hopes of ensuring good harvests and growth in populations threatened by disease and war the lives the feelings and well-being of individual children were sacrificed for what was perceived to be the common good and In the process it became a commonplace of the priestly life to take part in orgies that if they were not good for the children Were pleasurable for the adults.

To leave that part of the story out of your study of Romans 1 is intellectually lazy for you and spiritually life-threatening to your lesbian and gay neighbors.

Now so you have him making an assertion. Has he proven anything. Has he has he gone in the text. Has he has he followed the argument of Romans? No, you're you're creating a limited very limited Unbalanced skewed perspective and you're setting that up as the context, but you're not going to Actually tell your audience now if I if I really is being honest with you, I Would have to substantiate the assertions that I'm making but that would actually expose me for what I'm doing and so.

I'm not gonna do that. But explanation of Paul's writings in that context though scary and provocative offers you the chance to speak words of real hope and reconciliation to a nation obsessed with sex and talking about sex in every venue.

Except church now here's a guy who runs an organization and. Their entire focus is forcing Corporate America to be obsessed with the sexual views of 3 of the population, I mean the irony the hypocrisy is.

Stunning absolutely positively stunning.

But that's what you're listening to and please don't forget to go on to study Romans 2 Where Paul begins to admonish us not to judge our neighbors?

It's not what Romans 2 is about. We haven't even touched Romans 1. Haven't even begun to deal with Romans 1. And what Romans 2 is about is about Jews. Who would take the admonitions of Romans 1 say yeah, it's all about them Gentiles.

But we Jews because we have the Covenant we have to worry about that. And Paul says oh, yes you do. Because you who have the law you don't keep the law. None of that in any way shape or form changes the fact that Paul's statements are clear.

They are crystal clear. They are condemnation of both male homosexuality and female lesbianism. That is that is the meaning of the text. You have to ignore something. You have to twist something. To get away from the reality of What Paul says in the context in which he said it.

How badly America needs to hear the message of hope through Christ expressed in first.

Corinthians 6 and 1st Timothy 1 now those are the last two texts. He just went by Romans 9. He never even read it. Never even read it, but he's given what he hopes evidently is a plausible explanation.

It's it's plausible. To say well You know this this was about Pedophilia or this idea? I think you know, I'm gonna give you a plausible explanation, but I'm not gonna read the text. Clearly, this is a presentation intended to give an excuse to someone To not believe what the Bible says while continuing to say I believe what the Bible says.

That's that's exactly what this is.

As Mel White has written Paul shouts across the distance you are breaking God's heart by the way you're treating one another. In those texts Greek words that lazy or prejudiced translators have shortened to homosexuals.

Actually mean boy prostitutes. And now listen carefully. Does he give any foundation. Does he give any evidence. Does he go back into the Greek septuagint? Does he deal with arsinosin and Coite. And and as they're found in Leviticus listen to see if he does and the older men who patronized them.

Now congressman Mark Foley needs to hear a sermon preached on this text. Unless you think it's only the gay Congress congressman's problem. Remember congressman David Vitter from Louisiana was recently Found to be abusing the bodies of women.