The three uses of the law

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Introductions, Channel Promo, and Guest Banter

My name is Jeff. If you could do me a favor Go to our YouTube channel OpenAirTheology. Hit the like button Hit the subscribe. Again, my name is Jeff. I am one of the pastors Slash elders Of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church In Tallahoma, Tennessee.

If you're ever in Tennessee And you want to come out and hang out Please come check us out. And I'm here with my brother Brayden.

Brayden, introduce yourself. Yeah, Pastor Brayden Of Valley Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho. If you live in the southern area of Idaho It would be a blessing to have you come. Join us for our weekly worship services.

You can also find me on Reformed Ex-Mormon on YouTube Where I just post a lot of random Different theological stuff on there. Whether it be preaching Eschatology, you name it We talk about different things on there.

But just super blessed to be a co-host here On Open Air Theology with Jeff and Brother Haps Who isn't here with us tonight. Unfortunately.

Yeah, Haps is slacking. We're going to have to put him under Under podcast discipline. Yep, that's Matthew 29. Yeah, that's Matthew 29. Yeah, Acts 29. Yeah, so Haps did a A Facebook Live a couple A couple days ago.

And in that he said he was going to be here. But I'm looking around. And I don't see no Haps. So we're going to have to get on to him. What's up Samuel? Hope you're doing good, brother. Are you able to see the comments, Brayden?

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, how's it going, Sam? It's a blessing to have you. So what's going on, man? What's life up to over there In Eggerman, Idaho? Dude, it's been cold over here.

These last few days. The area that I live in. A lot of people in this small community. Call the place that I'm in. The Banana Belt. Yeah, the Banana Belt. Because it's five degrees warmer Than everywhere else, apparently.

We're getting snow down here in the Banana Belt. Which means it's apocalyptic. Outside, apparently. So it's been fun. It's been really good. I've been hanging out with the family. Been on vacation from work this week.

So it's been a blessing. How about with you? Anything new?

Well No, man Just been doing my same old thing, man. Working Studying. Same old, same old Always All the time Really Looking into getting me An e-bike. Because you've been to Tallahoma, everything. It's just right there.

My church is not far From me. So I'm looking To get me an e-bike. I mean I got a Motorized bike Not long ago. And I put it in my garage. And the next thing you know I had to get it out of my garage. Because the whole house Started smelling like gas.

I gotcha. And so It was a really nice Motorized bike. It was a Fat Moto. It was pretty fast Turned a lot of heads. It was a beast. Fat tires It had like 4 inch tires. It was huge. But yeah I didn't like the fact that It was outside.

I want something. They're not cheap. So I want to be able to Put it up and not have anyone Take it. So I sewed it. And now I'm looking to get me an e-bike. Nice. Yeah you should get yourself one of those.

If you live down here We could start an e-bike gang. The five solo boys. Now that's tempting.

Just to move there just now. That was the hair that broke the camel's back. Right there. Get jackets And hats. Get cuts and what not. Yeah. Get some clip on Mullets. Why clip on. Just do the mullet game.

It'll take us a few years but we got it. I'm starting to lose it now. It's all good. We got the skullet going on now. So you're good. Yeah. But brother before We jump into tonight's topic. We did have a question real fast.

I don't know if we want to address it right now. Or wait until the end of the podcast You're talking about from Zach. Yeah Zach. When do you guys say The Old Covenant began. And what's your take on Romans 5 12 -14.

Which is just what I preached on at the conference.

Yeah well Zach that's a loaded question. And if we got into it We wouldn't be able to cover what we want to cover. But we'll definitely cover it If you want to look out for a future Podcast. Yeah. Yeah.

What was the other thing. Is that a I don't understand the Q. Is this a Q &A. Yeah. I mean it is if it's about the subject that we're talking about. Yeah. So we are going to be looking at the Three uses of the law.

And If you want us to do a Podcast on that I definitely don't mind doing that. Let's see Samuel. Nah brother. You good man. Come join the game. Yeah come join the game. I've been looking at this one. It's called a Zook.

Z-O-O-K. I think I'm saying it right Zook. They're expensive. It is a BMX bike With like a Huge banana seat And like The battery goes up Underneath the seat Depending on which one you get. The 1100 goes 33 miles an hour.

That's pretty decent speed right there. You can get to a lot of places In that town of yours. With 33 miles per hour. Faster than some of the vehicles would be going. You know what I mean. Yeah absolutely.

And the 750 I think it goes up to 26 miles an hour. But it's got a faster torque. So this thing. Like it takes off. Right. You can ride wheelies on these things. I wouldn't be doing no crap like that now.

Oh no you're in a game. Nah I'm pushing 43. Man I'll tell you about three years ago I was riding my daughter's scooter and flipped that thing. And I couldn't walk right for three weeks. Ooh I think it was about six months ago I rode over in my sleep.

And pulled something in my bag.

So I was practicing Wheelies on my Yamaha MT -03 And I Burnt out the clutch in it And it was a little sad. So I'm not doing wheelies anymore Because I had to replace the clutch And I was like I don't want to do that again.

Law and Gospel Distinction and the Three Divisions of the Law

Yeah. Alright so let's get on to the topic man. The three uses of the law. Yeah. So before we get into the three uses Do you want to touch on the three distinctions of the law? Oh Yeah. Last week we talked about A law and gospel distinction.

Right. And we talked about the importance of having a law and gospel distinction. Especially in Reform theology. Right. Reform theology. And Lutheran theology. So you know Lutherans. I don't know about the Liberal Lutherans.

But I know The good Lutherans. As well as Reformed Churches Whether it be Presbyterian Reformed Or Baptist Reformed. Hold to what's called a law and gospel Distinction. And there's a lot of Reformed people now That have basically Lost the Law and gospel distinction.

So if you go back And you look at last week's podcast You'll see that. And this week is basically going to flow into that. We're going to look at the three uses Of the law. But before we do so let's talk about real quick The three divisions.

Of the law. Yeah. Yeah so according to Even our 1689 I think it's a very helpful way that this Breaks it up. The first of the three Distinctions of the law would be that of the Moral law. I usually refer to it as the transcendent law.

This is the law that was written on Adam's heart In the garden. It's what still Is required of obedience From all mankind to today. And then underneath that You would have the judicial law And the ceremonial law that was given to Israel Through the hand of Moses.

That would be the three distinct laws That we see in the Old Testament. To a Jewish Listener In the day Prior to the Reformation A Jewish person would see no distinction Between judicial and ceremonial law.

I think it's helpful for Reformers to see the distinction in there As we make reference to things. But it's always important to remember that Contextually a Jewish person would not see a distinction. Now would you say That the.

Civil and the Judicial Come from the moral. Like if the moral was a Spout The liquid that comes out of the spout The water that comes out of the spout Would split into The two Casting The civil I mean the ceremonial And the judicial.

Yeah and the reason I would actually answer it Kind of goes back to one of the questions that Zach Made a question about Regarding Romans chapter 5. Verses 12 -14. In Romans chapter 5 It says That. Where does it say it.

So it talks about in verse 14. Nevertheless in Romans chapter 5 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses Even over those who had not sinned in likeness of the Trespass of Adam. Who is a type to him who is to come.

That's not the verse I was looking at.

Excuse me I don't see it right now. Off the top of my head now that I'm looking at it.

Of course but the point of it is Is that even in Galatians chapter 3 It talks about there being sin and transgression Before the law was given. We see that Adam sinned Before the law was given through Moses.

Obviously We see that there is sin that takes place Death taking place before Before there is Sin takes place Before Before the law of Moses Is given. Before that judicial and ceremonial law Is given.

And so To answer your question I would think that the Judicial and ceremonial law Which I'll just call the mosaic law The mosaic law Was given to the people of Israel And it was kind of a Application for An application through The transcendent or moral law For the purpose of Israel To keep them as a nation To guard them as a people And in order to bring about the Christ.

And so there's a lot of laws that take place in there That are in specific reference To bringing about the Messiah.

Anything else you want to say. Because there's a lot of laws. Yeah. That's why I'm trying not to really jump on it. Because right now Our plan is to build a foundation. You know You don't roof a house When you're building a house.

You don't start with the shingles. So you have to have A foundation. And so our beginning foundation When it comes to Law and gospel And Old covenant, new covenant Is what we talked about Last week, the law and gospel distinction.

And so we're hoping To be able to build a foundation Before actually Given just Straightforward answers right now. So whenever we do In the future give these straightforward answers You'll be able to see that there's a Foundation that's been Built upon in order for These answers to make sense.

I think that's a lot of times. That's where we mess up. And this is exactly what I do Whenever I exposition the text Right When I start preaching I don't jump to the conclusion. I build Up to the conclusion.

And so that's what we're hoping to do With several podcasts. Yeah. But just in short To be straight with it.

I see there being That the mosaic Meaning the judicial and ceremonial law Hang upon the transcendent nature Of the moral law. Judicial and ceremonial Are not transcendent by nature Because they hang upon that which is transcendent.

They were given The other ones weren't given In that sense Galatians 3.

When we get to this We'll probably just walk through the book of Galatians. Galatians 3 tells us That That Moses Basically Moses was added to Abraham. Yep. Right. Moses was added to Abraham. And in that There's three mentioned.

There's the covenant Which is speaking about the Abrahamic covenant. Then there's the Law which is the mosaic law Which was added to the Abrahamic covenant. And it speaks about a promise. A promise Is about the offspring That was mentioned to Abraham.

And I would also say that that's the same Promise the seed crushing The snake crushing seed. That That was A promise to Adam and Eve But a curse to the serpent. Absolutely. But we'll get into that. So let's not go too much further.

I know it's just right there. I wanna do it so bad. You gotta chill out brother.

I'm sorry. But we're talking about The three uses of the law tonight right.

The First Use of the Law as a Mirror

So we have the distinctions of the law. And this is Reformed, Lutheran Moral, civil I mean Moral, ceremonial Civil or judicial. However you wanna say it. Now When it comes to the uses of the law How do we break down The uses of the law.

You wanna introduce that or you want me to.

Yeah. So the first use is a mirror. I'll just spout them out.

For us quickly Before you say that. So the Lutherans and the Reformed Have the same Uses but they're numbered Different. So our number one would be Their number two. And their number two would be our number one.

Right. So they would start out with our number two And we're gonna start out. Our number one is their number two. And we're not talking about bathroom stuff here okay.

Go ahead. Now I'm all sorts of confused I thought. That's what we were talking about.

Yeah so.

Number one it would be that the law Is a mirror. Number two the law would be a curb And number three the law would be a guide. That's the short sweet three Uses of the law. Alright so let's walk through that.

So.

The law is A mirror Meaning what. Right. Right. So I would say that there's two uses In the first use of the law With it being a mirror. As Christians We can look at the law. And even as Christians See Our need for Christ Right we cannot keep This The law of God.

The law has even as Christians It shuts our mouth. We Jesus made it clear Unless your righteousness exceeds That of the Pharisees That's law. You will by no means enter into the kingdom of God. And so we can see the law of God Even as Christians And know that we need Thank the Lord That we have a substitute.

But also we Use the law of God to shut The mouth Of the unbeliever Of cult followers And of Christians who are walking in In pride. Right. So we use God's law as a mirror. You know like Whenever I get up in the morning And I You know let's say I'm going to the store.

Before I go to the store I look in the mirror. The mirror does not lie to me. And listen ladies and gentlemen I wish it did. Right. The older I get the worse it gets. I mean I'm grateful that I have Good beard days right.

I mean The mirror that I'm looking at Does not lie. It shows me what I look like. Same thing with the law of God. We can look into the law of God. And we can. So as Christians we don't get too big For our britches.

We know that we can't keep this law. We know that we are fully 100 dependent upon Christ. But also If you're a Christian Hopefully you're sharing your faith. And we can use the law of God In sharing our faith To show the unbeliever Their need for Christ.

You have anything you want to add to that? Yeah I think you can see that with Ray Comfort A lot with his type of evangelism And it goes very well for him. The more intently you look at the law Just like the more intently you look at a mirror And you start seeing Oh man I got a pimple growing Or I got ingrown hair over here Or something like that.

The more intently you look at it The more it exposes your Pride crushing ugliness Like myself. But when you look at Romans chapter 3 Verse 9 It says What then are we better. Not at all. For we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks Are all under sin.

As it is written there is none that are righteous not even one. There is none who understand there is none who seek after God. So right then and there There is this equalizing that the law As a mirror does for everyone.

We all see our deadness Within that mirror of the law. And when we look at Verse 19 and on in that same chapter It says now we know So after really giving these verses That show our Our fallenness Through what the law reveals to us.

It says now we know That whatever the law says it speaks to those Who are in the law. So that every mouth may be shut And all the world may become accountable To God. Because by the works of the law no flesh will be Justified in his sight for through the law Comes the knowledge of sin.

But we know that from the law the righteousness of God. From now we know that apart from the law The righteousness of God has been manifest Being witnessed by the law and the prophets So the law was given To hold everyone accountable Before God.

And we all fall short of that glory. And so That's where Using a mirror in evangelism Can be very effective. Because Like LDS for example With myself being LDS, LDS know that they're sinful. But they don't know to the degree that they are Right.

And so like in my own experience Becoming a Christian I looked even more intently in that mirror. And realized I got a lot of nooks and crannies I was overlooking before I'm actually a lot worse off Than what I realized I was before When I was LDS.

But I have something that saved me From those things right. And so the mirror exposes your need for Something better than what you're seeing In there, it exposes your failures. Well I can remember.

When I was you know Actively in a gang And banging That I would you know Promote my own goodness I thought that I was a good guy. Because I would look at You know Of course I knew I told lies and stuff like that But I would try to trivialize it At least I'm not a thief.

Yep. And knowing You know like if someone Would let me Hold their bag of drugs or something I'd probably take something from it. Right. You know The liar thinks he's better Than the thief. The thief thinks he's better than the murderer.

The murderer thinks he's better than the rapist. The rapist thinks he's better than a child molester. Yep. And so When When lying lips Are an abomination To God. And we kind of got into this Conversation At our church Wednesday night About The degrees of sin.

Is there degrees of sin. Is all sin the same. And I would say no. We see from scripture 1 Corinthians chapter 6 That sexual sins Is the sins that are against your own body Which is the temple of the living God.

Right. And so I was talking to someone tonight And speaking about Sexual sins. It's the idea, the excuse We're all men, we all struggle With lust or Masturbation or something like that. And I was like yeah I get what you're saying.

But If you're in ministry Especially, this is true. If you're In ministry, you're a pastor of a church Or whatever it might be And you're actively living in this And saying well you know we're all men Guess what's going to happen.

You're going to get exposed. And if you're wanting to be in ministry And you're You're living in this idea. Well you know I'm a man, I'm going to struggle with these things. Listen, God's not going to use you in ministry God's not going to use you.

Right. And this one's saying Because it's against our own body. Like it's You know this is something That we can't fall into Pray to because our body Is the temple, could you imagine Think about the sons of Eli How God destroyed them For what they did In the temple.

And so.

Sorry I don't know how I got onto that subject. No, it's good though. And so like yeah in one sense There is a different varying of degrees of sin But on another Each one of those sins Is a wage of death.

And we're all observing. And that's where I think like second. So that's something I like to remind A lot of individuals on As you said that the Thief would say they're better than the murderer And the murderer says that they're better than the rapist And the rapist says they're better than the pedophile.

When somebody is dead In the law they will use the law As a means to justify themselves above other Individuals, they'll use the law As a means of a ladder saying look I'm actually Above you, I've kept more than you I'm more obedient than you And it's always As a means to justify their own actions Whereas we see that The purpose of the law is to show that we've all Fallen short and And not only this but James Chapter 2 10 says for anyone that has Broken the least of these commandments so right there We can say that there's a varying degree Of commandments but it says anyone that has Broken the least of these commandments Is guilty of them all so If you've stolen and you Have stolen, lied, whatever the least That you think it is You are just as guilty as the pedophile And the rapist and the murderer and everybody else Who you'd say would be oh I'm above those Individuals, no you're actually Just You're just as equally dead with them.

Right, right. 1 John 3 4 Says that sin is Lawlessness. And what that is saying is that Sin is law breaking. And you know Romans tells us For all have sin. All of us have broken God's law. Romans 6 23 Tells us that the wages of sin Is death.

You know the Old Testament tells us That the soul that sins Will die. And so Death is the arresting Officer, Ray Comfort likes to say It's the arresting officer coming To take us To our imprisonment. You know death seizes upon Everyone because all have Sin, you know Death is our paycheck.

It's what we have earned and that's Why the soul that sins will die. Wages of sin is death. When you die you're receiving your wages. You're receiving your paycheck. This is what you deserve. And so the law Makes it plain to us That this is what we deserve.

We deserve death. Because 1 John 3 4 Sin Is lawlessness It's breaking God's law. Alright so let's get to the Second use of law. You mind introducing this one? Yeah so the second is going to be.

The Second Use of the Law as a Curb

A curb. The second use of the law Is a curb meaning that it's Supposed to be able to be used In a way that's That Should help Restrict evil men From doing evil things. Maybe that's how I'll say it Right.

And so this is Mainly Set up. So the first use of the law. Unbeliever And believer the same. It shuts our mouth It keeps us from being prideful and boastful. Second use of the law. Mainly I would say This is for the Unbeliever Of course a believer if they Are.

Hopefully believers are not Waking up in anger Looking to murder someone. Depends on the day Depends on what time you wake me up. Right that's right. Yeah so like So let's say. And I'm gonna So The second use of the law.

What we're saying as reformed people is We want our Our Our government Our We'll be another word for it. The Civil spheres. How was Matt putting it.

Civil spheres is what I think he said. And I think that's a pretty common Phrasing that you'll hear Within Christianity. Right I think civil sphere.

Yeah so we want them To To have godly Laws. We want our government To issue Godly Laws Just laws. And so if you In America Well I know it's probably different in Texas But everything is different in Texas.

But in America If you Lie If I lie to my wife I'm not gonna get arrested. If I lie to my child I'm not gonna get arrested. If I lie to a cop I can get in trouble. Civil magistrates If I lie to The president of the United States I mean I'm probably gonna get put In jail so Same offense but depending on who it is I lie to I can get in trouble.

But if I murder someone Right it doesn't matter If I murder my neighbor Or Murder You know someone high up Either way it goes I'm going to be put in prison Right. And let's say I don't know exactly What it is but let's say It's 50 years right.

If you murder someone you'll go to prison For 50 years. And so Let's say that that's what's in the books. So someone might Wake up angry and they know The law of our Civil magistrate. And they're able They feel like they have that anger In them to where they can murder.

And there's someone in their mind that has made Them angry. And they want to commit That crime but they know the law. And they know that if they do so They can go to jail for 50 years. Knowing the consequences Of their action It restrains Them and keeps them from Committing the act that they have In their heart.

And so that's how these laws Are a curb. They restrict us From Being as evil As we could be. So the law of God The government, the civil magistrate Is to look to the law of God Have just laws In order to Keep men from being as evil as they could be.

Now of course we know that Men are evil And that doesn't always work. People kill people All the time But that's the idea. So it's called a curb. So if I'm walking down the sidewalk There's a curb And traffic is coming.

The curb is if that car starts To swerve Hopefully We'll push that car over A little bit. But there's times when that car Jumps the curb And can still hit someone. So it's not A perfect system Because it's dealing with Government The civil magistrates.

And they are Not necessarily Christian. So we're not necessarily Saying that the civil magistrate Are Christians. But the civil magistrate should Have just Laws. Anything you want to add to that? Oh there's a lot I want to add to that brother I know I'm trying not to say too much I don't know if you can tell but as I'm explaining it I'm thinking well don't say that Don't say that.

I know I'm trying to think of a good way to just make mention Of it right now with The curb So just looking and perusing Through and I won't make mention of everything I want to say in this but in the R1689 Which I think does a great job at explaining this Civil magistrates.

Chapter 24 of the 1689 Paragraph 3 because civil authorities are Established by God for the purpose stated We should submit in the Lord To them in everything Lawful that they require. We should submit not only for the fear Of punishment but also for the sake of conscience.

We ought to make requests And prayers for kings and everyone In authority so that under their rule We may live a quiet and Peaceful life in all Godliness and Honesty. When you. The question then has to be posed What is lawful laws.

What is a lawful law. What is a curb and what isn't a curb. What is something that the government Oversteps on. Where is the government able To protect maybe even setting up A guardrail from keeping them from running over The road right.

And I Think that the lawful laws that are Talked about is back in chapter 19. The moral law forever requires Obedience to everyone who Let's see here. Yeah the moral paragraph 5 chapter 19 the moral law requires Forever requires obedience to everyone Both those who are justified as well as others.

This obligation arises Not only because of its content but also Because of the authority of God The creator who gave it. Nor does Christ In any way dissolve this obligation in the Gospel. Instead he greatly strengthens It.

And so I think that That law that was given to Adam Being transcendent Is that which Government should hang their laws Upon. I think every law should Be stemming from those kind of things. And I think that that can involve General principles or General equity from judicial Or even ceremonial laws in some Ways.

However We as a nation In the United States it's not required. It's not required and I would never Advocate for the United States to Make a law like Everybody gets circumcised. And if you don't you get.

Exiled out of our country. Or everyone Must not Carry a load On the Sabbath day. And if you Carry a load on the Sabbath day.

Then you will be stoned. Those things had a purpose in their Day that purpose has been met and so we Have to take what general principles that Come through the transcendent law That those laws Hung upon the transcendent And see their application in today's World with different context With different purpose.

And those are to be a curb for us. Right so the civil magistrate So the civil magistrate In which we're going to get in The third use of the law is going to Do a lot more with Christians Dealing with General equity and stuff like that.

But the civil magistrate Is to Look to the transcendent Law which you and I would Say is the moral law the ten Commandments this is that spout By which the others Comes out of there to look to that. You know and this is what they should Build their case from.

They can in fact go And Do general equity but it's Not required of them to do. So right so It's not wrong for Our government. And I know that this is where a lot Of people Lose their needle. So I mentioned earlier And this is why I mentioned it because I knew we'd Probably come to this that if someone murders Someone that they could get 50 years now again.

I don't know if it's 50 years I don't know if it's 80 I don't Know I didn't look it up but they could get 50 years In prison. And then like the big argument Is well should we have to. You know You know And now we have to Pay taxes so they could house them.

Right and this is where I think Romans 13 and also I would say all of 1st Peter Speaks to this right. What are we as Christians to do. Well 1st Peter tells Us that we're pilgrims passing through And we were to live quiet and Peaceable lives right.

And so if the government decides To have A punishment that's 50 years in prison I think according to Romans 13 That God has given Given them that ability to have that. Now they could be like Texas And say no if you kill someone In Texas we're going to kill you back.

Right that they could Have that and I'm not saying you know I would go back to the Noahic covenant and say yeah. Okay but if they decide That if you kill someone then it's 50 years. Then the Christian is To live a quiet and Peaceful life right.

And we Mentioned this earlier before we got on. There's times whenever we should Speak out and we would say that according To like what's taking place with Abortions right. Christians should Speak up for the unborn Especially if you're in A vicinity where Abortions are taking place Where I live there's You know There's not an abortion clinic Anywhere near me.

And so I do a lot of my Ministry that's not being done In church just Outside in my neighborhood street preaching Speaking to the cults Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventism Stuff like that.

And as well as you know Those that are lost and so I have a Door to door I stand up On the side of the road and preach As well as pastor a church And so there's no abortion Clinic near me so I don't I'm not involved in that but I do Give to people Who are involved In that.

And so I think that we should be a voice For the voiceless. But I don't think that. So to me Us winning that war If we're looking at it under The silver magistrate Is that they make law Against abortions Where abortion is illegal.

And so if abortion Is ever You know 100 Illegal I say that we You know we won that war And so we're But we're not saying that They have to go back Into the penal code and kill Everyone that's had an abortion.

Now should something be done. Yeah maybe so. But I'm not saying that this is what They have to do You see what I'm saying But I think especially moving forward Something should be done.

Yeah and it's Important I think to realize that These are vastly Across the not even just across the United States but vastly across the whole world. These are going to be unconverted Individuals that are making these type of laws Right and so I think that The best way to convict them of Having a lawful A lawful thing.

That lawful laws Righteous laws that come from Biblical standard. I think we have to Appeal to something that they can be Able to be appealed from and I think that Stems from transcendent law. And I think that that will Could even change from State to state from time to time Right.