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Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James White director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Opening Remarks and Concern Over the California Law

And good morning. Welcome to the dividing line on while we're already into October of 2012 I was opening a audio file will take your phone calls at 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 or you're in the local Phoenix area 602 9 7 3 4 6 0 2.

But I had just it worries me when my system says I can't use that program because it's in the trash. That's not sure. That's I've not seen that before. But now it seems to be working but that it does lower one's trust that it's actually gonna Gonna do what's supposed to do.

But anyways, welcome to the dividing line. I have to admit I was a little surprised in my report on Thursday I sort of ran out of time toward that did not get an opportunity to say what I wanted to say About the last debate that had taken actually two debates so I may go back to some of that.

But I'll take your phone calls and of course talk about some of what's going on in the world today. Obviously, I'm thinking about it because I woke up at sometime in the middle of the night and was in the midst of thinking about Well incipient socialism and communism in the United States I made that's that's not a good thing to be thinking about when you're trying to sleep, but I certainly was thinking about it and Given that we are only One month and four days out from a national Election that will have a huge impact.

We cannot help but consider the fact that While many of us in this audience have deep concerns about the moral and ethical Philosophical and cultural implications of this election. Many of our fellow citizens Do not share those concerns and in fact I think it is clear evidence of what has happened since we have given up the educational system to the leftists and the Unions that represent them that have all power and all authority vast majority of Citizens this country anymore don't even know what free enterprise is.

They don't know what the difference between a representative democracy and a socialist nation is. And as a result people in the highest form the highest levels of government and I mean the highest levels of government Can talk about what was that term yesterday?

Economic economics of justice or was it what was it? It was economics of justice. I thought That night and it's just blown it what. Like Oh economic patriotism, that's right. Economic Patriotism, that's what it was which was then defined as economic justice.

Which is not everybody having the same opportunity having a level playing field. No, no, no. No, that was pretty much everybody having the same stuff and I go I remember that That was Chris Jeff. Yes.

There you go. Yeah, okay scary, I mean you would think that people would be up in arms and. But it's like oh, that sounds nice. This is oh my. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it and let me tell you something.

Anyway, I what has caused me to think of all of that was The signing as if anyone was surprised by this but the signing by Governor moonbeam a Jerry Brown This past few days ago of the Bill introduced by a homosexual Democrat state assemblyman State senator Ted Lieu Banning what they call non-scientific therapies.

In regards to homosexuality of course Governor Brown said these practices have no basis in science or medicine and they will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery. Of course, you know what is scientific in the psychotherapy community changes by the hour depending on who has published what of late and The fact of the matter is of course that it is a sad reality That what the psychotherapeutic community determines to be scientific is purely Okay 99 .99 political.

It is it's all politics everybody knows how homosexuality was removed from the the DSM and it was because of political pressure and protests and it's not science it is politics and. So now you have this and of course once the once the state not just California but the state get used to that because While many other nations have realized the failure of socialism and communism Evidently most people in the West in the United States are just a little slow on the uptake evidently, we're gonna have to go through our own Period of Collectivism and Become a second-rate nation before we finally figure out what the rest of the world's already figured out that that doesn't work.

That evidently that's that's we're gonna have to do. But anyways the state That is deeply entrenched in its owing political favors to the homosexual lobbying. How long has it been now. I used to say I've been saying this for 10 years now.

I've been saying this for 20 years now. Homosexuals do not want equal rights. They want uber rights. They want to silence everyone who would criticize their way of life and their behavior and As a result We see this kind of thing the law which just take effect on January 1st states that no Quote mental health provider and quote shall provide minors with therapy intended to change their sexual orientation Including efforts to listen to this quote change behaviors or gender expressions or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the same sex and quote so even if a teenager is uncomfortable with this Does not want these desires wants to know how to deal with these desires well, of course, I would say they're going to the wrong place if you're going to a psych anyways, but Illegal Can't can't do anything about that.

Sorry. I can't help you and Why would that be? Well, it's simple the ex-gay the very existence of ex-gays is The walking talking refutation of the entire argument of the homosexual community. This is just the way we are no we can do about it.

And if they did something about it, then they're just wrong and We don't want to be reminded of them so stop that There you go. So We've all learned I hope I really really really really hope that we have learned that these types of removals of our freedoms are Not done in one big fell swoop That would cause everybody to stand up and go.

Oh. They're done incrementally. You do a little bit here right now. It's the the psychotherapy community and then you expand it a little bit more if it's good enough for them. Then we we we prohibit it for these people and then you just keep making it grow and grow and grow.

It's the it's the proverbial Nose in the tent flap thing with a camel or whatever else you might big animal. You might want to talk about. Yes, sir.

Faith as a Gift of God in Acts 3

Question how would the since. As I recall ministers are Licensed by the state and Oftentimes a lot of ministers these days consider themselves to be counselors. At what point does the state then take this law and impose it upon the state?

Minister there's already a lot of people who are saying that that it doesn't have that kind of application. There are already people who are saying that that fully expecting the homosexual Community to utilize this for that very that very purpose.

No, no question about it but someone in channel just point out what Robert Dagnon said, which again does point out the utter hypocrisy of The legal system today as it is being distorted and perverted by various groups Why is it illegal for people to want to change if they are feeling homosexual tendencies and can't do it if they have parental consent?

But yet do not need parental consent to get an abortion ha or something of that sort. That's what he said. That's what actually was being paraphrased of what he said. That's empty pot saying that was me.

Yeah, I saw something that he said and it he's not the first one to say it. I mean What what a world we live in where minors can get an abortion without parental consent, but even with parental consent They cannot get any help with homosexual feelings.

Hello. Could someone point out the hypocrisy here? Close your eyes and point you won't need to be they won't need to point very accurately because it is all over the place. What an amazing Amazing thing.

Yeah, and then of course you can then go to jail and in Massachusetts you can get a Federal judge to force the state to pay for your sex change operation when you're 60-some years old. Hey, it's a it's it's just What when I guess there's just so much of it now That the temptation is to throw your hands up in the air and say there's nothing to do.

It's done. It's over. I give up. The world has gone insane. Common-sense has thrown out the window has been throughout the window. But what's there left to do or to say and Lashan this morning on on Twitter said, you know, why do we even speak up on some issues anymore?

It doesn't really change anything we do it and it still stays the same and the only thing I could come up with was a was a response and I actually spent about 30 seconds coming up with this which for me was a long time said something along the lines of The when one whispers the whisper of the truth is more beautiful than the shouting of a lie by the many or something along those lines, but the point is we keep speaking the truth and if we are if we're pragmatists and We judge ourselves solely on the basis of how many people are agreeing with us, then we will shut up and we will just move into our communes and we will stop being salt and we'll stop being light and That was that's the easy way out.

No two ways about but we can't be pragmatists and we have to accept the reality That God has called his people many times many many many times To be salt and light in a dying Society. God knew what was gonna happen.

God was bringing that judgment to bear. But how many times do we see in the Old Testament how many times do we see in church history those Situations where God's people they're in the minority. They're persecuted it costs them and yet they remain faithful as salt and light even in a Society that is on its last legs and it's going down and why?

Because God does not leave himself without a witness and We cannot pragmatically go well, but you know, we would just look at the polls. No reason doing this. Just look at the polls so We aren't called to live by polls.

There is only there is only one poll and there is only one person who is polled in the poll. And as a result, the poll is already always 100 So you've got as Steve camp likes to put you I've got an audience of one an audience of one.

That's all you have to worry about. You don't have to worry about the rest of it and If he calls you and if he chooses to sanctify you and make you more like him. By having you be the last light and the last bit of salt.

Right before it all comes tumbling down. Well, that's what you've been called to do embrace it be thankful for it. Be a faithful servant and I just think for me. I Mean it's real easy for me to look around right now and be just really lose my joy.

I Mean I look around at at my society. And I'll be honest with you. I saw the video. I didn't queue it up. I'm not gonna I'm not completely stupid. But I saw the Obama phone video. I got my Obama phone and I look at that.

And I just I just want to go it's over. If that's the voting public in the United States, it's over because you've just got people that are gonna say I'm just gonna vote for whoever's gonna give me everybody else's money and that is.

Look, I've I'm not an expert on all the views of all the founders, but I've read more than my fair share of historical works and the subject of the founders the United States. And I can guarantee you one thing.

There is not a one of those men not a one of them that had they somehow been able to be exposed to that video or at least to the Mindset of that video who would not have said that will be the death of this Republic.

That will be the death of this Republic because I know one thing they said all the time. Was that the people of this Republic had to have an ethical and moral foundation and That woman does not have an ethical and moral foundation.

No way, and I just have to at times I just have to think it I guess we've we've reached. We keep talking about the tipping point. Where people are just gonna keep voting themselves stuff until we vote ourselves into oblivion.

We fall over the cliff everything collapses. Our military collapses the economy collapses and you see what come rises out of the ashes, I guess I guess that's how that's how it works. But I think for most of us were like it just couldn't happen that fast.

Could it? Wasn't this the nation that that that saved the world in 1945? That wasn't that long ago. There are still people alive that fought in that war. Yeah, they're old but it wasn't that long. How could it happen so fast?

How could these people be so? Incapable of understanding history, I don't know. I don't I'm sure my my Particular generation has a lot to do with it, though we must because You know, it's the we look at the young generation and they look at us like well, you didn't tell us anything about This this stuff.

I guess we were so I Guess we were just so Centered upon ourselves maybe just like the next generation. I don't know I'm disconnected from phones that I do something. I am it doesn't say I am no But I didn't.

That's not good. Did you did it you did system reset or something like that? Cuz cuz it's yeah, it's completely Confused over here. So I'm gonna have to try to try to get connected. So we have phone calls, huh?

I'm trying to get in but it doesn't seem to want to let me in now. I've been in and it's going. Yeah, don't Doesn't even know where it is on the on the net any on the network anymore. Oh, there it goes.

Just popped in boing. Well, look at that. We have people Oh him. Oh man. Really? I mean can't even speak English, right? Oh All right, well All right before I go back and talk about the some of those I well, let's go ahead and clear the phones here and You know, we are an equal opportunity Web-based call-in program with a few people listening and So, you know you take the good with bad and so here we want to extend our Our ministry and grace and mercy, you know, even when it's tough to do so, so let's go ahead and talk to John and Phoenix.

Hi John.

Hello, how are you? Thank you for this wonderful audaciously warm. Welcome. Well.

You know, you always send me stuff in the in in the mail. Links to your own blog and stuff like that and I keep telling you look I've got you in my list.

But you just keep sending to me. Anyways, you need to be kind to me because I know where your underground bunker is.

I've been there man. Yeah, we yeah, we let you in once but. But we move every little bit. So you know. No, we'll just drop you before you actually get a chance to say that. So anyways, I Hope you're not calling with some deep difficult question or something.

An easy one, I'm sure. Oh Okay. Hey, it's it's a question about Acts chapter 3 and I was reading a and I just wanted what your Input would be. There's obviously a number of verses which teach the faith is God's gift.

I'm thinking of Ephesians 2 8 and 9 Philippians 1 29 and there's a there's a growing list, but there's a phrase I looked at it in a number of different translations and Looked at what I could map out and just thought right honorable.

There's a phrase called through Jesus. My basic question is this do you believe in looking at the text that this is a verse that could Legitimately, oh, yeah, it's not as strong as that. Well, I'm sort of wondering why I haven't seen it in that kind of a list and It's just my resting phrase he normally it says faith in Jesus has made this man strong and healthy.

But it's it it doesn't seem to say that.

Yeah, it is I'm looking at the Greek and of course Luke's Greek is well Luke's Greek and it's unlike anybody else's and and by the faith In his name This one Whom you have seen and know. And then you have this phrase That evidently, you know this this man has been strengthened by faith in his name.

Then you have the phrase Kai. Hey pistis. Hey D out to Erokin out. Oh, so the the faith and then you have the repetition of the Article Which normally refers back to Though that would be very strange to repeat that immediately that closely the faith that is Through it actually would seem that the major translations Are Understanding that that article as being a functionings almost predominantly.

The ESV renders it with That is Through Jesus through him. ESV says Jesus, but It's actually him the word the word him is is there in the Greek? No, Jesus, but the ESV is interpreting that to mean Jesus not the man obviously that doesn't wouldn't make any sense to him because it says it was given to him.

Yeah. Now The NASB says it is the name of on the basis of faith in his name. It is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know and the faith which comes through him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all and the NASB capitalizes the him and rather than Repeating the word Jesus which at least actually flows a little better than the ESV.

Yeah, the ESV is sort of funny and his name dash by faith in his name dash Has made this man strong whom you see and know and the faith that is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all so.

Obviously it is not an easy text to render into English. But I'm just trying to see How the NA and the faith which comes.

Through him. It just seems you know with the normal way of talking about an understanding is it's faith in Jesus. That's the emphasis. It's faith in the name of Jesus that has made this man strong. But that's not seemingly how it's been expressed here.

It's it's it seems to be saying.

Well, yeah, there's that that seems that does seem to be what's saying. I I'm just wondering because I've not looked at commentaries, but just just looking at the text in the language I Don't think I have.

I cannot think of any other situation where I have seen an article repeated in this format. Which makes me think in light of all the many fascinating ways in which the Greek article is used. Which which makes me think that it's not just simply restating faith.

It's being translated as which yeah, but I I wonder if the reason that it's repeated Is it specifically identifying the faith in the name of Jesus in other words? Saving faith over against any other kind of faith.

I have to wonder if that is not.

Something and I'm just just going off of what I'm seeing on the screen here and and and. Of course the wider context is told not to preach in his name and. The emphasis in verse 16 seems to be on the name, right?

Well, the name is definitely.

You have They pissed I to a Namata so you have faith in The name and then out to of him that that is clearly the faith it's being referred to and I just have to wonder if the reason the article is report is is Repeated in that later phrase is to tell us that This faith which is through Jesus is the faith that is in his name.

That in other words, it's specifically Christian faith. It's specifically faith in the name of Jesus and In the context being that the Jews are opposing the presentation of the gospel they're opposing the proclamation of the resurrected Messiah, etc, etc, and if this is a part of the Argument that true faith now for the true followers of God involves Confessing Jesus it's not enough just to say I follow Yahweh.

Yahweh has now identified himself through the incarnation death brother resurrection of Jesus in a way that it has to include to be pleasing to him faith in the name of Jesus so that crosses my mind out.

There's lots of Other things I think we could probably look at and maybe if I have time I'll look at some of Some of the critical commentaries that might discuss the repetition of the of the article Phrase.

Not not to my recollection, but right now having just gotten back from your old stomping grounds and Germany and Scotland I don't even remember riches name so I've really been fuzzy-brained ever since I well, I I worked so hard the last two weeks before I left on the book and then Straight into four debates and lecturing in Germany and and all the rest that stuff that the recovery time has been longer than normal, so so I I Would imagine at some point in time that I've looked at it, but it's not ringing any bells at this particular time.

So sure so yeah, it's definitely something To look into. Yeah. Well, thanks for doing that my friend all right and and thanks for not hanging up while I was doing the introduction there. I mean, you know some people would All right, thanks, brother John Sampson putting up with more of my my behavior toward him.

John was on I don't know when that was you're talking about his book on Calvinism the 12 answers book. Which we do have on the website as I recall. For some reason however, I just hit the drop thing on that and it's not does it show I've disconnected again No, okay, well I'm gonna try putting James on here, and we'll see if it works.

Hello, James. Nope. I've lost connection. Oh, he is there okay? The weird thing is it doesn't show you is on the air shows John on the air on my side so obviously I'm having problems.

But what's America? Oh?

No, well John's lived here longer, so he doesn't sound quite as cultured as you do. Yeah, a lot. Oh there. You go there. You go. Well. What are you doing? What are you doing in Seattle? I mean, that's the left house.

Actually did Mars Hill Church, and now I now I married a girl and Not the Rob Bell one. The first one. Okay, but I met a girl who I married and now I work for a company called subsplash.

Oh, that's how you managed to get your green card. Is you just found yourself a woman over here. I See. Uh-huh. Okay, all right. Yeah, I'm sure it's what you weren't intending to do that. No no.

I think I'm at the mess around. I mean I I have my green card now, so talk freely, okay?

All right, well my display just caught up with with reality there is just very very very delayed. So anyways you have a question about Albuquerque.

Yeah, I actually sure. So the first one on sir Albuquerque on audio right now with.

Mellow Arabic instrumental music to make you go down a little easier. Are you serious? How'd you where'd you find that?

That there's a playlist on Spotify.

Really, and yeah. Okay, see I'm I'm I'm doing it by going to the I forget which site it is I've got there's a couple versions, and I just select I do a text select of the entire book drop it into text speech Pro and convert it into mp3 and.

That way I don't have the music, but one of the funniest things though. I'm glad you mentioned You mentioned this it now is yours an electronic voice or is a real person reading it. It's an electronic voice, okay?

Electronic voice now now. This is one of the fun things about reading the hadith while riding a bicycle. My program for some reason interprets postal codes and So every once in a while. I've noticed this in the past like in Arabic.

You'll have al and That of course is Alabama, so I'll have Muhammad, Alabama somebody and then there's Us as Zubar is a very common narrator in in the hadith and so it always comes across as Arizona Zubar.

I Like I like Azubar cuz he's from him from where I am he's in Arizona, so I don't know if yours does that but my program does that? And it's rather. It's it's entertaining anyways. It sort of wakes you up when it starts getting really boring cuz if I'm not sure how far you've gotten through Bukhari.

But especially the stuff on you know like going to the bathroom and stuff. It's just it's not really scintillating reading.

It's really not yeah, oh, yeah.

Oh, man, you know so much more than you need to know about Muhammad I isha you just there is just you know. I I could I could stamp TMI over the vast majority of.

Albuquerque. No question about it. Start going to start. What?

Okay, 36 book. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm ahead of you. I'm somewhere in the 70s right now I think. Keep that in mind if I ever get an email from you, and it's got some very odd comments in it anyway. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Right Right Right there have been Christian apologists and missionaries who have pointed to the specific incident of a woman coming to Muhammad and Asking if she could perform hajj in the place of another and there have been people who have utilized that I'm trying to remember the specific debate I for some reason I'm thinking either of Sam Shimon or David would it might have been somebody else.

But those are the names that are popping into my head as I'm thinking about stuff I've listened to in the past who have used that very Argumentation to say see here is an example in the life of Muhammad where in Doing something that is very important in Allah's sight Substitution is allowed and so yes that has been utilized.

I haven't done it that way in the upcoming book I Do discuss briefly in the salvation chapter? Primarily in a lengthy end note and once again Warning to everyone if you don't read the end notes in this new book you will be missing a lot of the in my opinion best stuff.

Because that's where it's tucked away. Just to keep the flow of the text going, but I do address the hadith in Sahih Muslim where you have Christians and Muslims, I'm sorry Christians and Jews being given in the place of Muslims on the day of judgment who have many sins their sins are take are taken off of them and placed on the Jews and the Christians and the Muslims are allowed into paradise and the and the the Jews and the Christians are cast into the hellfire and There have been some who have said those particular hadith are Weak because they're ahad they're actually sahih because ahad single narration a hadith can be sahih but One of the main reasons I included them as I discovered in preparation for the book that not only does Muslim have that but they're actually that out that whole concept of Sins being placed on Jews and Christians in place of Muslims also is found in the the hadith could see Where Allah is quoted and hadith could see have the highest level of authority outside of the Quran basically.

Because they're they are the the Prophet who is always truthful Reporting what Allah said so while the hadith could see is not the Quran. It's not the uncreated word of Allah the Muslim is forced to give a special authority to hadith could see because as Long as Muhammad is telling the truth and the hadith is correct.

Then this is Muhammad telling us something else that Allah said outside of the Quran and so since that exact language is found in a hadith could see I think that greatly strengthens the weight of the three hadith in Muslim.

That has the same thing. So that's what I've raised. Is that particular text? Because it is so directly relevant to substitution regards to sinfulness now, of course, I've also said that means That there is great injustice here because the Jews and the Christians are already bearing their own sins how can they bear somebody else's that that raises all sorts of of other issues, but yeah, there are a couple of ways that you can you can raise the issue of Substitution and you are not alone in thinking that that particular story and there are others like it in the hadith.

It could be used that way. Yeah. Yes. Well, okay, you've got me though because you've got what did you call it? Mellow? Middle Eastern using Arabic instrumental music in the background that I don't know if that would sort of change my interpretation of the hadith.

You know because I mean Would the hadith sound differently with Glenn Miller in the background? That's the question. It might be more interesting to listen to it before we asked with it. That but anyhow, well press on James.

I I I want to keep going. I'm not spending quite as much time on the bike now for a number of reasons and so my my progress through it you might you might catch up with me eventually and I have a class I'm gonna be teaching a class for Golden Gate actually for a Golden Gate and for Cornerstone Seminary in California.

I need we need to get something up on this too. I'm gonna be in California at Cornerstone Seminary January 2nd through the 5th. Teaching an apologetics class the very same class I'll be teaching for Golden Gate here in Phoenix the very next week, which is really interesting how that worked out.

It was it was talking about Providence how that happened. But anyway, I need to be dealing with Hinduism and Buddhism in those classes. And so I have a bunch of lectures on Hinduism and Buddhism to get through and that's sort of gonna slow down my progress through Bukhari, but we're gonna keep we're gonna keep moving forward Doctrine and Covenants audio.

Really? Okay. Now you're really gonna confuse, you know, most people would think there's a little bit something they understand why I on my iPod have Bukhari and I have Introduction to Hinduism and I've got some Buddhist stuff and I have the Book of Mormon.

Now they would understand why I do that. But they might not understand why you would do that because see, you know, that's what I do. Why why you know most people would find that just a little bit odd.

I I would not tell a Prospective future church what your playlist looks like because that might that might it might cause a problem. It really it really could I Think yeah, thanks James who is sleepless and saddle because he's listening to Albuquerque with Middle Eastern music in the background.

Real quick real quick and you and and if you if it's possible to speak a little more clearly in the microphone or whatever it. Is you're using it's a little bit difficult for me to hear.

Yeah, there you go. I've had a few. I'm having a few interactions with Former Mormons at the moment. Not. Not Christians yet, but church. Why did they leave? I'm just just sort of preparing myself in advance.

I know the argument a lot of the argument once you kind of exhaust it all. Kind of logic and evidence and debate often is well, you're just supposed to. How do you how do you tend to walk through that?

When you're talking to people well not these individuals. Why have they why have they left the Mormon Church if not for the truth? This just became disenchanted or what?

Well, oh Completely unrelated to one another. So the first one was a guy who was two weeks away from going on his mission trip and just realized the Book of Mormon wasn't true and He didn't. He's kind of in the place right now where he actually Claims he believes the gospel.

He believes Jesus God, but just isn't sure he's willing to sort of Give up his lifestyle, which is even like Um, which is incredibly honest and then the second one is kind of a little more. It's a little different is his brother left the church and his sort of family kind of followed and he's just sort of he's been coming to my church, but isn't really sure of the differences yet, and it's just working through the differences between The Mormon Church and biblical Christianity.

Well, I don't know that either one of them necessarily Sound like they'd be a real candidate for using that kind of Mormon argument the the testimony the the feelings issue because it it sounds like I mean if you come to conclusion that the Book of Mormon is not what it claims to be then there was some kind of critical thought process that you applied there that that went beyond your feelings and You already recognize the need for some type of foundation in truth and that if a revelation claims to have historical Pedigree and it there isn't any that that's an important aspect of things so I'm not sure that the first one would raise that but if you're asking just how do you deal with the general?

Argumentation that people present that many Mormons presented and I Little over a year ago had the opportunity of talking to some Mormons in a ward chapel in fact sitting in the place where they have the services right in front of the pulpit and I was struck once again By these abject subjectivism of the argumentation that they presented.

More so than I had recollected. To be perfectly honest with you it seemed that there was even less desire on their part to try to make any kind of a rational argument at all and The only way to deal with that is is to bring Scripture to bear in regards to the deceptiveness of man's heart The utter reliability of God's revelation, but the fact that's an objective revelation that it's not What it is just because I feel it or something along those lines and so, you know, we look at you know Proverbs and there's a way that seems right unto a man, but then there are the ways of death and and Texts along those lines and in fact on our website in the old old old old old old 1990s version stuff articles under Mormonism you will find The hundred verse memorization system and probably the first I don't know six seven verses that I deal with are dealing specifically with that dealing with the Mormon testimony and How the Mormon testimony works and bring the the light of God's Word to bear on that.

Okay. Great. Thank you. All right. Thanks James. Thanks for your call. Thanks. All right. All right, all right, I'm trying to drop that but my you're gone too. Okay, this will catch up in about 30 seconds or some way.

I don't know. I've never seen it do this before but Reset time I guess anyway, I did want to make some comments in the last 15 minutes. We've got here actually 13 minutes that I didn't get to. Oh, I don't see I don't see any phone calls here.

I Don't I it's not gonna do me any good because it's not gonna work on this end. Hello, Mike.