October 10, 2017 Show with David Miller on “The Need for the Return of the Dying Breed of Country Preachers”

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Wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 10th day of October 2017 and

I am so delighted to have for the very first time on iron sharpens iron radio ever David Miller.

David Miller is a country preacher at large from Heber Springs, Arkansas.

With a keen mind and ability to memorize scripture who has been preaching the gospel since the age

of 18 in 1965 having preached more than 2 ,100 revival

meetings in spite of a degenerative disease.

Known as muscular atrophy that has caused him to lose much of his mobility and who is a

regular featured preacher at the G3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia where God willing I will

be in attendance with an iron sharpens iron radio exhibitors booth this January and today we

are discussing the need for the return of the Dying breed of country preachers and it's my

honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to iron sharpens iron radio.

David Miller, it's great to have you on the program David.

Well, what I'd like you to do to start with David is I'd like you to give our listeners Your

testimony of salvation.

I understand that you were saved at 16 and tell us something about the

circumstances surrounding that.

What kind of a.

Religion was.

Surrounding you in your upbringing if any and how the Lord sovereignly drew you to

himself and providentially brought you to embrace the saving gospel of Jesus

Christ.

Many dusty roads on the way to church in the back

of someone's pickup truck.

Privilege of growing up hearing old

country preachers Preach the

old

to the

university or the seminary.

But they had been in the book.

They had been in the scriptures.

They knew how to depend upon the spirit.

They didn't preach in the wisdom of men's were in the

demonstration.

And I grew up hearing these men preach.

They told me it seemed each time I

Guilty even

told me that I was guilty and as my

representative he brought corruption and

Condemnation.

They told me that God had provided a ribbon that he had sent his

only son without sin.

He came to be my substitute.

That he came to do what I could not do.

He fulfilled

fulfilled the law.

But he suffered the curse the

penalty.

Do this, but if you do not

Keep all the law Christ

Became my sin.

There ain't sin for me.

So himself had known no sin.

And when he became

sin for us

put him to death

Resurrected.

They told me that the grave could not hold.

God raised him from the dead.

They told me that he was in fish is open for business

to repent To turn from my sins and to turn to Christ

who appealed my case To him.

I grew up hearing me.

It seemed every time I went to church I Would hear something some

16 years old many many times

before.

Yet on that occasion On that Sunday evening, August 5

1962 That gosh the

incorruptible

Praise

God.

Amen, and it appears that you and I share a birth date.

Not.

The same kind of birth, but you were born again the same year.

I was physically born 1962.

I was.

I was born in February of 1962 and you were born again at if I remember correctly in August of

1962.

Well praise God now it is

interesting.

This is not something that happens a lot.

Maybe it happens a lot in the Bible Belt, but doesn't happen a lot in most of their places.

You began preaching at the age of 18.

Tell us about that.

Immediately began to teach a Bible class

Began to witness the gospel

read my

Bible

occasion,

but

Chris when I was 16 years old

Affected to

hardly

being able to get up the steps at the school Wow and so I was

Greatly concerned about the issue.

I was still healthy.

I Just couldn't run

and so I

was to figure out

it's leading me to Reach

Years.

As I began to grow

and I became clearer and clearer

That it was the will of God preach and so I was a freshman

in college

came repeatedly and gently and Convinced

it separated me the gospel.

I.

Praise God

for that

and

just so

our

listeners

have even some more details about your background.

You have served as president of the Arkansas Baptist

Pastors Conference you served on the committee on the board of the Southern

Baptist Convention The resolution committee and preached at the Southern Baptist Convention

Pastors Conference in 1987 and you were on the board of trustees of

Southern Baptist College and Walnut Ridge for six years.

Two years of which you served as president of the board and you have served as a member of the

board of trustees of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky

For eight years.

That's where Al Mohler is currently the president and we hair on iron sharpens iron radio have interviewed

a number of the faculty at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary On this program

including dr. Mohler and we hope to have dr. Mohler back at some point in the future.

What do you think as an old -time country preacher.

Country preacher at large as you.

Identify yourself.

What do you think are the most important things?

That are missing from pulpits today and missing from The the

content of the messages of evangelists and and preachers and pastors.

Daddy die.

Apart from it and never more return.

I.

Had never heard that.

Description.

Skyscraper.

Preaching before that's

great.

Why don't

you

tell

me a hobby

horse get a real horse

get somewhere?

Amen.

Now, yeah, that's called expository preaching and.

Do you think there are times when topical preaching is appropriate.

For instance, you might have a Major calamity that's taking place or has taken place

near where your congregation is.

Perhaps even something like one of the recent floods or some other thing that is of

Global importance that has the attention of everyone.

Is it every appropriate in your mind to?

Interrupt for instance as an expository series on Romans or something to

interject something new that's topical because of a current event issue.

And

obviously the one preaching.

Has to be trained and has to Continually remind himself not to be guilty of

isa Jesus.

Because there are many people who might be going through a text.

But they bring their baggage into it anyway and start importing things into the text that were never

intended to be in there in the first place.

It might be going like an exhaustive Research to eat every single

word.

And finally If anybody would like to join

us on the air with a question for David Miller our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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of the good old USA.

We do have a listener already with a question.

Aaron in Indianapolis, Indiana Has a question for you

and it is.

Thanks for interviewing this gentleman.

I'm sure.

You'll get to this but I wonder it.

Oh, hold on a second.

I have to enlarge her her email.

The type the text is too small.

Thanks for interviewing this gentleman.

I'm sure you'll get to this but I wonder if he has tips to memorize scripture as he

has.

That's a very good question because yes, you are known for your.

Your.

Your memory of scripture.

So if you could do you have any tips?

Yeah,

I'm

here David.

I'm still listening, but you you just cut out there.

What do you call that?

Fail -safe Memorization.

Get

myself

acquainted.

And then I start

and

then I

attention to the clause

phrases to attention to the punctuation and Then I will go.

Hurry not the aid.

Conjunctions.

There are some advantages to having been reared in the South where we don't

speak as you Pennsylvania folks.

I'm a New Yorker, by the way, originally.

Deliberate two parts and

Once I do that, then I just repeat until

I have it memorized only two

states.

I could

say it back the evidence of things not seen

Etc.

Now then I move.

Each time when I get first two

first one again,

and as I work my way down through the chapter I go back each time

and just the repetition.

Memory, that's been my pro 50 years.

I'm not saying it's the best.

Simple.

I don't see a lot of.

A.

Thank you very much Aaron and keep spreading the word about iron sharpens iron radio in Indianapolis, Indiana and beyond.

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With our guest David Miller who is a country preacher at large.

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David.

You have mentioned already that one of the things that are most

unbiblical most troubling to you in regard to Much of

modern -day preaching you have mentioned that the and I love the phrase that you came up with or at least the phrase that You

used in the show today.

Skyscraper preaching story upon story upon story.

What else might be a factor in today's preaching and teaching from

pulpits and from Crusade podiums and everywhere else where preaching is heard on

television and radio.

What are other missing elements that you think need to be restored or just

fallacious elements that need to be removed.

Amen.

And When you used the term smoke and fog you weren't even just being figurative.

I mean our churches are actually using smoke and fog and I'm not talking about the Eastern Orthodox or the Roman Catholics.

I'm talking about evangelicals trying to make a dramatic Theatrical

performances when they have their so -called worship services.

Would you say that one of the problems with a lot of modern -day preaching

is that they're very often in the messages that I have heard on radio

television and Sometimes on rare occasions when I'm visiting a church that I don't

Necessarily agree with where they stand theologically, but

There may be much said in the messages that are true.

But there isn't a lot said that is uniquely and exclusively Christian a lot of what is

said and taught Seems to be just proverbial lessons

to improve your life that could be possibly gleaned even from Mormons and

Orthodox Jews and Muslims perhaps and others who just have

some semblance of Morality that reflects what the

Bible teaches about that.

And they are merely just promoting things that are universally held as wise

Approaches to living.

But there's nothing exclusively Christian about it That demands a sinner fall to his knees and

cry out to a savior for for mercy.

Until you begin to expound the text about

Jesus Divinity of his

eternality is Pre -existence.

Those things that make him divine His Lordship

speak of this incarnation human

flesh the necessity of the incarnation the

reason the blood of bulls and goats being unable to take away

things the absolute necessity for the humanity of Christ

and the Divinity of Christ in order to be a sufficient

propitiation for sins.

When do you hear these things?

Everybody believe.

It is love

that we neglect to preach the Christ of the Bible.

Conservative research.

Think.

And

I was

a Conservative resurgence back in the 70s

and 80s.

But I said to my wife if Southern

Baptists can ever Settle

then it is my strong

conviction and hope That we will then move on to

weightier map of the gospel itself

to look into the nature of Christ

atonement that he accomplished.

Was it?

Theoretical.

Or was it real.

Was it?

Potential.

What did it accomplish?

And in our case.

That's what happened.

Discussion.

Debate.

Shrink

that the discussion.

But I think the discussion way to your matters of the Christian

faith.

Is a.

Natural.

Out.

Conservative resurgence.

Settling the matter of the scriptures.

Now, let's get down to the business of preaching this inherent

the basics of Bible exposition and When we

come to these terms.

When we come to these great things.

Let us explain.

Why?

Amen.

Yeah, one of the things that never ceases to baffle me is how many

of these men who would have stood alongside you in

defending biblical inerrancy and who were a part of the

Conservative resurgence and the Southern Baptist Convention after there was so much apostasy there.

Knowing that the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary at one time was nearly Entirely given over

to leftism and apostasy but at the same time many of these same men

Have now become the most vociferous enemies of the doctrines of Sovereign Grace.

And it just baffles me that these men who know the scriptures so well and also I

would think would have to know something of the history of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is Thoroughly

steeped in the doctrines of Sovereign Grace.

How they could think that these These doctrines of Sovereign Grace are somehow new and novel and an

enemy of Southern Baptist.

Thinking that just is a total mystery to me.

And.

Dr. Rick White, my brother,

a conservative Just

a Christian and had gotten his doctor's degree

and stood with tears in his eyes.

This

question is it

hard for three years

and known

until the

last

and so.

That's what happened to the whole generation in the Southern Baptist

Convention.

It wasn't so much.

That went to Southern in the 60s and 70s and 80s

and heard anti.

They just didn't hear anything

about these doctrines period.

It's as if article 5 on

elections had not even been in the end.

They were just totally neglected.

But there's biblical precedent, you know, everybody you and I.

Other preachers are familiar with the great story in

Nehemiah chapter 8 Where the people gathered themselves together.

Expounded the word you have an entourage on the platform

to give a further

Exposition to make the folks

so everybody is familiar with that.

They stood they said amen.

Gathered themselves together six in the morning till noon.

But there's something else in that chapter in the latter half of the chapter.

It says the leaders Remained after the crowd

was and the next day they looked into the scriptures

again, just the leaders and this time.

The King James Version says and

they were to observe the feast

observed the festival and they did and the text says they.

They observed it in a fashion, which they had not done.

That was a very prominent thing among the Jews in

earlier centuries.

But it had not been kept and there had arisen a

generation or two of people in among the Jews

who had absolutely no exposure To the feast of Booth.

It was as if It was a new revelation.

That's what happened in the southern.

Sheer.

Neglect

to be the present on the trustee

was that we must never sit on our

expect that now that we have gained these victories a

vigil over

the truth.

We must always be Visiting these truths.

These must be Foundational.

We must always be teaching them.

We must never take it for granted.

Just because they're in the abstract.

Students graduate here.

Understand.

Gospel JP boys are for that matter.

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David, we have a listener in White Plains, New York, RJ.

And he says, I'm wondering why a biblically knowledgeable individual like you Is still

affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

In 2 Corinthians 6, verses 14 -17 We read, Be ye not

unequally yoked together with unbelievers.

For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?

And what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Bilal?

Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?

For ye are the temple of the living God, as God hath said I will dwell in

them, and walk in them.

And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate.

Sayeth the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you.

And again, my curiosity is in regard to your remaining Connected with Southern Baptists who

have been either liberal.

Or who have been vehemently against the doctrines of Sovereign Grace.

Brother

Chris,

I had

to take

up,

and

if

you

know

our

history.

You know that this is the first time that any

mainline Had drifted out

and turned around and came back to its board.

And it took a long time,

it took at least 25 years.

In some cases it

took 30, slowly.

Prevention did turn around.

Always in the convention for

Calvin.

There had been

required to be a Southern

Baptist.

Of rejecting five points.

Always been the two streams.

Today, there are more Calvinists who believe the

doctrines of grace.

Than at any point in my 52

and a

half years.

I look at Southern Seminary in Louisville.

Think about how far that field.

Who were not there.

And hardly comprehend the depths of

liberalism.

And even wickedness that existed there.

And yet, in Providence God

turned that, and now Al Mohler's

there.

He's been there over 20 years now.

It's a flagship seminary for.

Not just for Southern Baptists.

But for those of us who believe the doctrines.

Some

of us,

even today, I don't think.

Some of the things that go on at my church.

Advertising and giving offerings.

The

gospel.

Well it is said that a couple of the names that you mentioned.

The late Adrian Rogers and Paige Patterson.

It seems that they do want to drive Five Point Calvinists Out of the convention.

Of

course, Adrian Rogers knows better now.

He's in glory with Christ.

He

was one

of my

heroes.

Privilege of preaching for him.

He was a... Toward the end

Dr. Paige and...

Mr.

Dippet.

Amen.

Well we have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania Who says

While you remained with the Southern Baptist Convention Would you also give the similar advice

To those who are remaining With the United Methodist Church The Presbyterian

Church USA And other of the more liberal denominations Even though they might

be conservative And actually believe in the inerrancy of Scripture And believe in the biblical gospel.

Should they give up and depart from those denominations.

Or should they hang in there as you did.

And

I'm

assuming

you

would

agree

with.

There may be occasions where you have an entire congregation Within the United Methodist Church Or the

Presbyterian Church USA Or the Episcopal Church That is biblically sound And they...

I'm assuming you would urge them to as a whole As a congregation leave those denominations.

Now we touched on the problems that you have found

With the modern church.

The modern methodology of preaching The content of modern sermons.

Do you have a word of warning to those Not only who are your colleagues in ministry Who

come from the same soil that you come from.

Who are country preachers.

Or perhaps they are young people Who have as their heroes country preachers.

And those would today predominantly be found Among the fundamentalists Who have their own serious

problems Who believe that the

main content of their messages Should really be focused around

Things like women wearing dresses And men having short hair And all these

other things That seem to preoccupy a lot of what

fundamentalists Preach on or against.

And they don't really...

And of course I'm not broad brushing.

I know that there are fine fundamentalists out there That do delve deeply into the word.

But there are also those that are surface level preachers That don't really seem to get into deep

expository preaching And who also typically may be enslaved To that topical

preaching pattern that you have mentioned.

What do you have to say to those kind of folks?

I say to them that that's a cock

to preach on.

And you can preach on that kind of stuff Till the cows come home And

the chickens come home.

You will never fulfill your...

For example In the book

which came to Jeremiah Before I formed...

And before thou cameest forth out of the world.

And I ordained a prophet unto the nations

And said I ought to speak

Say not.

I am a sinner And

whatsoever I command thee Shalt thou speak.

And be not afraid of their facing To deliver thee so hath the Lord.

Then the Lord put forth his hand And touched my mouth And the Lord said behold

My words sent thee over the

nations And over the kingdoms.

To root out and to pull down To destroy and to throw

down.

To build...

Jeremiah is to preach The

sovereign prerogative

The sure

predestination it seems.

Before I formed in the belly Before thou

camest forth out of the womb.

And the sovereign power.

These are the foundations.

Now here's this ministry.

Go where I stand.

Preach what I say And that

throw down.

And you're to build and to plant.

In other words you're to preach against sin.

Preach against sin.

If I was in their congregation And they were preaching some of these.

But if that's all you do You're never going to fulfill your...

You are to build And you are to plant.

And the only way you can do that Is through systematic

Preaching.

How you build.

The truth is You can be a

topical preacher And never have to Be

great.

You

can't

just say oopity oop.

You have to build with the ground.

If you've been at your church For three or four years And the people are Strong.

Logically

It's your fault.

You can't keep blaming Bush.

You can't keep blaming The previous administration.

Somewhere along the line You have to assume You're building the saints

up.

In the faith.

You've got to do both.

You've got to preach against sin.

And you have got to build.

And you can do both.

When you preach first.

Five verses.

Amen.

Well when we come back I'd like to discuss a little bit On that same line A little bit about

homiletics And the manner with which Preachers should

preach in your opinion Does style matter etc.

And we'll also take some more of your questions When we return.

This is our final break.

So if you'd like to ask a question of David Miller I would strongly urge you to email In your

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And David There is something known as homiletics Where

preachers Learn the manner and style With which to preach.

The good news.

And there are, as you know Different styles of preaching.

You have some Perhaps typically of Many more

intellectual Congregations and pastors Those that are More

emphasizing The things that they have learned through Rigorous academic training

Where the preaching will be more Aligned with what would be Called lecturing

And teaching perhaps.

And then you have On the other end of the spectrum More passionate

Preaching that would Very often entail The raising of the voice And

moving about on The platform of the church Not being glued to a pulpit

Perhaps.

And sometimes That other extreme Is lacking in

content.

Is there In your opinion A way that those two Should be wedded together.

Absolutely I've had the.

Pre -inducting Expository

Pre

-50 men And Dr.

Herschel

York.

We talk about

The thing that we all have.

We need a A clear vision

Properly handle The word of God.

We need a serious Dependence upon the

Whether

our preachers say I've seen

If he had actually seen To say

Seen this That's what people Pick

up on.

People are not married To a particular style

If they hear a man Lecturing And yet they Perceive him to be

To really believe it himself For him to be anointed Of

the spirit For him to be clearly Communicating biblical Truths.

Those people can leave And so

we must We must Develop our abilities

To communicate.

Gospel.

To use the plural It

was

a sinking ship.

You got

to

avoid

In your pocket.

The

simple

thing

Is you're paying

Attention to it.

Yes But at the same time Don't you think that That if you really believe

What the scriptures teach And you really are Truly compassionate And

fearful Of the eternal destiny Of your hearers That there will be Some

kind of an urgency And passion in your voice Where the hearers Don't view you As being completely

bored With your own message.

And you know It's as if you're Knocking on someone's door And they answer it And you just say calmly

I believe that your house May be on fire.

Just wanted to let you know Instead of Instead of being more Urgent about it.

When you preach on heaven

Preach on hell you're.

Yeah and.

And those that preach Passionately I love Passionate preaching I love

Emotional preaching.

But sometimes Preachers that are.

Accustomed.

To that manner Of preaching They speak everything In that excited And

urgent manner Where it becomes banal Where it just becomes Noise after a while If everything That you're saying

Is said with urgency Even if Even when you're just Telling people to turn To a certain text.

It really.

Loses its power And meaning.

Uh

-huh.

Great brother.

Love that brother.

We

have.

Arnie.

In Perry County Pennsylvania Who says What can you say About the Old -time country

Preachers And there are Some modern Preachers that also Imitate this Pattern.

Where they.

Manipulate people Emotionally To make decisions.

To.

Accept Jesus Into their heart Sometimes even Prolonging altar Calls And

scaring People With the notion That they will not Cease From speaking Until

someone Comes forward.

Damn the word.

And now I'm going to.

Do

you

think

though.

That one of the Main objections That Those of us In the sovereign grace Or Calvinist Or

reformed.

Community.

One of the greatest Objections we have To the altar Call system Is that very often A promise

Is made By the pastor Or the preacher Or the evangelist That those people That come forward

Are saved.

In fact Sometimes They're even warned Don't let the devil Make you doubt That you're

saved.

You are saved And just because Of the fact that They've come forward And recited Some kind of prayer

Many people Multitudes of people Are deceived Into believing I lie.

When they.

Leave that Auditorium Or that tent Or that church.

Just as lost.

As they were.

When they came in.

I preach

that.

So having.

Agreed with you Having said that That you can.

Offer.

To repent.

And receive.

Paul did that.

Amen, I agree with you.

And of course That could be done.

Right where people.

Are sitting In their pew.

Absolutely.

That's why I said I agree with you.

Make it clear

Legitimate Salvation.

Because you did that And repeated A prayer

That you are.

Convinced.

We have A listener From Suffolk County Long Island, New York.

Christopher.

Who wants you.

To list Your top Three.

Favorite.

Living Preachers.

Jimmy Miller.

He.

To this day.

And

could

you

repeat.

The last name.

That you said.

Oh yes.

Well.

Thank you Christopher And keep Spreading The word about Iron Sharpens Iron.

Radio.

In Suffolk County Long Island, New York.

And beyond.

I'd like you to Spend now two minutes Or so Just summarizing What you most want Etched In the hearts And minds Of our listeners

Today.

The

treasurer.

Miss I.

The

treasurer.

They just Sunk in.

To

the

shoulder.

To the.

Amen.

And I know that the Website for the G3 conference Where you will be Speaking in January Is

g3conference .com G3conference .com.

Do you have any Other contact Information To give in case Some Pastor listening Perhaps wants To invite you

To preach At their own Congregation.

You recognize.

Precept upon.

Precept.

I said in precept upon precept.

Oh

great.

Well I

would love

to know that.

And so I want to make sure I have your email address right.

It's D Miller.

Underscore line upon line at yahoo

.com.

Okay DM.

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Thank you so much David Miller for being on the program.

I look forward to having you back on the program soon and often.

I want to thank everybody who listened today especially those who wrote in questions and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your

lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.