July 23, 2013

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James White director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Here is James White.

Upcoming Travel, Speaking Dates, and Public Calendar

And welcome to the dividing line on a Tuesday morning our regular time though. I think I'll probably be going late today. I I need to get Through all of the use of Ismael Bashir Vania Material before I head to South Africa.

We're putting together the final touches on the schedule. They would like me to stay like a week longer than I can. I just I cannot I cannot stay that long.

I have an expiration date. I read that email yesterday and I got the impression that they were just planning on keeping you.

Yeah, I just go down there and a number of debates. I mean, it's like to you know, sometimes May is to a day I mean We're gonna shoot right past the 130 mark real easy on this one up at about 135 140 somewhere around there, I don't know and Not a one of them has been in Arabic in a mosque.

Though some of them have been in mosques. None of them have been in Arabic though I have used Arabic and probably can pronounce it better than certain people who Should stick to Swedish. But anyway There's a by the way So many things let me see I'm gonna forget all these things.

Lagos is putting together a collection of my Baker publications, which I'm you go Baker. I've never seen Baker owns Bethany house. So what's neat about that is Mary another Redeemer and my two youth books What's the dudes the door and what's with the mutant the microscope will be available.

I hope they include the really cool fun Artwork we did for those youth books because I met a lot of adults who really liked especially what's the mutant and microscope because it It sort of explained things on an on a youth level that they were like, that's cool.

So anyway That'll include letters to Mormon elder and everything that will be in Lagos and it's but it's on prepub right now. So who knows if it'll make it, you know some some yes pre-publication, you know, and and I haven't ordered it.

What. Yeah letters isn't there to remember they publish it for a long time. They released it to me to allow it allow it to other people, but they they did they did publish it. So I Guess I don't know how it all works.

I People going how can you not know that stuff? I look you write it. Yeah, give it to them. They publish it. I Lagos we even had people saying well, hey, how come the Pirates freedoms on there? Well, the Pirates rooms are published by Baker that's why and Well, why didn't you I had nothing to do with it.

Nobody talked to me I didn't hear from Lagos I didn't hear from from Bethany house. Nobody. I'm just an author. I'm just I'm irrelevant that I don't I suppose you could put things in contracts to where you control such things, but I've I Just write the book give it to them and I just want out there and then we go sooner.

So anyways, there is a prepub on at least my Baker stuff for Lagos for those of you who have the Lagos Program and It's on it's on prepub. Which means I have no idea if or when it will ever actually become available.

Because a certain number of people have to purchase it before it becomes available. So just mention that Friday night. I'm going to be at the grace life group in at Grace Community Church in Southern, California better known as John MacArthur's Church there and This came up really really really really really really really fast and it just so happened that I could do it I still have a doctor's appointment on Friday that I need to call them because I don't think it's real I think I think that was a that was one that was like, you know You put into your calendar six months ago and then something changes and it gets canceled anyways.

And so I don't think it's real. But anyway So I'm supposed to be in Southern, California very very very briefly On Friday night to speak on Islam at Grace Community Church and Then we are planning and I should have had my calendar up here so I could do this a little faster but we are putting the final touches on a Presentation I will be speaking Lord willing The 7th and 8th in the Dallas area a 7th and 8th of September I'm sorry 7th 8th of September in the Atlanta area.

Let's get this right and then flying to Dallas and We are putting the finishing touches on arranging and this is that we need to get hold of Shamgar. Okay, I need As impossible as it is to get hold of Shamgar.

We need to get hold of Shamgar Because I'm heading to Dallas. He's in that area. We need to minimally minimally Live stream the audio of this. I would rather live stream the video of this because we're gonna be playing video clips.

But we are putting together a presentation in the Dallas area One of the nights the 11th. I will be speaking on Islam in general for Christians but on Tuesday the night before that I am going to do a full presentation Within driving distance of Arlington Baptist Bible College or whatever it's called Entitled Arrogant canner one man's jihad against Christian apologetics to Islam I'm going to put together all the clips.

I'm going to put together all the evidence and We are going to discuss how one man Can start off just by puffing his resume? But by step by step by step by step over time with the willing assistance of quote-unquote discernment experts end up becoming a one-man jihad against meaningful Christian apologetics to Islam and So we want all of the students and the faculty of Arlington to To know about this to recognize that they are welcome to attend.

It's not right next door, unfortunately, but if worse comes to worse they can tune in the live broadcast and listen for themselves and obviously Obviously if dr. Ergun canner Would contact us and like to request an opportunity to dialogue about what I say We would be happy to do so, but everybody in this audience knows the man would never face me never in a million years Face me.

He can't and he knows it and it drives him crazy Drives him crazy. He knows it but if he'd like to show up way at the invitation is open. So we will have information About that and how you can attend if you're in the Dallas area, that should be should be Lord willing Tuesday night September 10th.

I mean there's nothing on a Tuesday night. That's gonna get in anybody's way. You don't have to go to church cetera, etc. So Tuesday night September 10th Ergun canner one man's jihad against Christian apologetics to Islam In the Dallas area will be giving you details on that and details on where I'll be speaking in Atlanta the preceding weekend as well, so There are some of the things coming up there.

I'm speaking twice at PR BC. I'm gonna be in prior, Oklahoma at two different churches August 23rd and following 23rd 24th 25th, I think is yes, sir.

I was just gonna say while you're on the calendar issue here I want to point out there is now believe it or not shock of all shocks a public calendar. People can access if they use Google Calendar. They can click if they're in the story.

Eventually it's gonna land on the main page of the website when we redo that. But up in the upper right hand corner, there is a a Live real calendar they can click Google Calendar and they're gonna pop up.

What your schedule is all the way through, you know as far out as we've got it locked in. So as we update it, they can they can actually go and click on it if they're in the area. You're gonna be speaking.

They can actually click on the event and lock it into their own calendar. Cool. So nice.

Have you been adding stuff even this morning? Because this isn't this isn't what mine my calendar I haven't added yet this morning. Really? No, that's weird. But I see more things on This calendar than I see on the one on my laptop.

That's not private. That's probably not a good idea.

Because I don't really look at this. Well, we'll take a look at it after the show and get all.

Tweaked. Yes, I guess um in October South Africa the 2nd through the 9th London is before that Need to get back in touch with Our Roman Catholic friends in London to firm those things up there as well but After I get back from South Africa, this is all in the Lord willing category.

I'm going to be heading down to Votie Balcom's place in Spring, Texas. The 18th 19th, I think maybe the 20th. I'm not sure. But that weekend down there heading back to Texas I'm gonna be talking like this by the time I get all that stuff down there in Texas and then 25th the 27th gonna be up in Vancouver, Canada for the solo scriptura conference up there as well and so Visiting our Canadian friends at that's a particular point in time and then I've got something in Tucson Toward the end of November than our regular trip to St. Charles in December as well.

So I I think I'm going to actually make it to platinum level frequent flyer this year. Yay. Yay. I'm gonna be renting that's a Tom Hanks movie terminal because that's sort of how I'm I'm gonna be feeling coming up with with all that so.

Anyhow, that's that's oh and and I knew I was gonna forget this Next Wednesday Thursday and Friday July 31st August 1st and 2nd. So starting a week from tomorrow, I will be guest hosting live three hours each day.

For Janet Mefford, I will be I'm not just gonna be a guest on her program. I will be the program I will be the host of the program and Right now looking at having Carl Truman on on Wednesday. Hopefully a case got elephant on on Thursday and I still have a few more emails to send out for for other folks so if you Listen to the Janet Mefford show.

It's on Salem broadcasting whenever it appears in your time zone your time area, whatever. I will be guest hosting for Janet Mefford the 31st 1st and 2nd the first of July 1st 2nd of August and Looking forward to that and that could be very interesting.

And of course, uh, it could be very dangerous to have Carl Truman and I on with me as the host on a national. It's one thing here, you know people expect it on the dividing line. Okay? Yeah, I should invite Irving Kanner.

Yeah, that that's not gonna happen you and His first English accent the transmitter will shut down. Well, it's not just one transmitter. It'd be many many transmitters. It would have to shut down as soon as I do my first but Carl is British for crying out loud so He can he can say whatever he wants but it could be dangerous for he and I to start talking especially if I end up going the direction I'm thinking about going and Asking about his little book that I read recently where he basically says the key issue is gonna demonstrate that evangelicalism really doesn't mean anything anymore is the subject of homosexuality and Boy, I could get us into a lot of trouble first day.

I mean that could be it. Who knows? Well, we'll find out but that's that's next week guest hosting for Janet Mefford on the 31st 1st and 2nd. So if you want to listen that. Oh get Lou rug on. Yeah, that would be that would be really great.

That would really help ratings a lot. Yeah, Proverbs 129 was that what it was that when it was I forgot what that was. I've lost my trip, okay. Saw an article on Fox News that concerned me. Concerning Sergeant Lane Wilson a 27 veteran 27 year veteran in the military was formally reprimanded for an email.

He wrote last December the chaplain at West Point and his six-year reenlistment contract was reduced to a one-year contract. John Wells an attorney representing the airmen. So we're only getting one side here.

I realize that said the military coerced his client and the sign the one-year extension after they cancelled medical benefits for his wife. Who is suffering from stage 4 breast cancer? It would seem to me that cancelling the medical benefits for a sick cancer victim.

To coerce and underling to sign an illegal contract constitutes cruelty and maltreatment under the Utah Code of Military Justice. Well said this type of action is unconscionable and I would expect the guard to initiate investigations around the case.

The issue is Wilson who is about Christian and has religious objections to gay marriage found himself in trouble after wrote an email to the chaplain at West Point. This is wrong on so many levels. He wrote if they want to get married in a hotel that is one thing our base chapels are a place of worship.

And this is a mockery to God and our military core values. I've probably served 27 years and this is a slap in the face to us who have put our lives on the line for this Country,. I hope sir that you will take appropriate action to this.

This does not happen again. Instead the military took action against Wilson accusing him of bringing quote disgrace and discredit end quote upon the Air National Guard and failing to Quote render the proper respect to a commissioned officer end quote.

Quote you are hereby reprimanded and quote write a letter from Lieutenant Colonel Kevin Tobias Quote as a non commissioned officer. You're expected to maintain a standard of professional and personal behavior that is above reproach.

You have failed exclamation point end quote. I just want to go. How do you determine what is above reproach that that requires a certain standard of morality, doesn't it? It does even for the military.

A public affairs officer with the Utah Air National Guard told Fox News They could not comment on Lane's case. A June 19th 2013 memorandum from Lieutenant Colonel Tobias to Wilson indicates his religious.

Now listen to this his religious objections to homosexuality Made him incompatible with further military service. I remember that now keep that in mind. We talked about his feelings about d-a-d-t and how he doesn't agree with it.

Tobias wrote. I then told him that maybe this is a good time for him to move on. Because we've been ordered to not have an opinion about gays in the military and We need to treat them as we would treat anyone else in the service of our country.

So you've been ordered not to have an opinion. Really. No, you have not. You've been ordered to have an opinion and it needs to be a positive one. Needs to be a good one. You need to you need to confess.

This is good stuff. This isn't sin, this isn't rebellion this won't bring the wrath of God. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's the old days. Everything's changed now. You need to celebrate this.

Even if it's right smack-dab in the middle of your place of worship. You need to celebrate this. Tobias then wrote that he was not comfortable Reenlisting him with his strong feelings about this matter.

The military then rescinded Wilson's six-year reenlistment contract replaced with a one-year contract. However after his attorney objected the military reinstated the contract. While the reinstate with a six-year contract to step in the right direction.

It is not enough. Well said the letter of reprimand must be expunged and we need to receive assurances there will be no reprisal. Wilson also accused the military of spying on his clients Facebook page and Attempting to monitor his activities.

The data mining is of great concern. He said it looks as though they're trying to trump up some potential charges. Unfortunately, I've seen this done before and the guards action displays all the attributes of a witch hunt.

He accused the Department of Defense and the Obama administration of trying to quote purge the military of conservatives. Who do not agree with the liberal agenda of the left end quote? Quote this purge includes fundamentalist Christians Roman Catholics Jews and political conservatives who support God and country well said in the same vein as The Stalinist purges of the 1930s will be left with a hollow military.

It will not be capable of properly defending this country and Quote interesting interesting interesting. I have said for a very very very very long time. They do not want equal rights. They want uber rights.

They want to silence Silence the expression of any statement that would say that Homosexuality is evil. That is what that's what they want. Okay, I we must must must must must must must finish The Calvinist call-in show because we're almost there.

I mean we're this close. We've just we've just got to get done so I guess We do have a phone call. So I'll try to get that. I I need a little bit more information would be good. But because it's sort of a right now.

But we got to get the Calvinist call-in show done because we've we've Been dragging it out too long that there's no trace, but so we only have a few minutes left. Let's I played I played this question last time, but then I didn't get to comment on it.

So I said we'll just start there. So Picking back up, but the Calvinist call-in show Michael Brown and again sped up just a little bit.

I'm not a Calvinist. But I of course some of my positions would have to line up more on that side and I don't just consider you like Armenian As well. I love your eschatology. The question just to make it a little bit interesting if it if I could is how?

Then I mean as far as free will would be. Would Judas Iscariot had free will? To not fulfill the scripture or was the scripture only predicting from foreknowledge. So if it if that be the case the scriptures that speak about Jesus was.

Was God just saying that Jesus was going to be put up on a cross or was it? For ordained from the foundation of the world to happen. And of course that was but was Judas Iscariot or You know Esau for that sake Predestined from the foundation of the world to be in the position that they were the scriptures.

And if not, then what's the difference between the two and how can we exegete? Between what is actually Predestined or foreordained or just was foreseen.

Now again, I think that's an excellent question. It is it goes to very important issues For example the issue of the crucifixion think of of all the quote unquote free choices on The part of so many men Went into The issue of the crucifixion and the event of the crucifixion the timing the people involved Judas a very important element of this a vital role the inside man to allow the Jewish rulers to Do It in such a way as to not necessarily incite the mob The issue of the relationship to Passover all of this stuff there are just so I mean clearly this type of Specific prophetic fulfillment is one of is the reason that open theism Will only ever appeal to people who are willing to sacrifice biblical authority the only way I mean You you look at this and if you say well God doesn't know for certain the actions of free creatures because if he did and not really free and therefore he only knows What's natural and and that's what not what flows from the actions of free creatures.

There is no way I mean, I remember John Sanders when I when I challenged him on related issues. Well, remember you Calvinists have had hundreds of years to work out your theology. We're just starting on this.

Well, I don't care how many hundreds of years you're given you're never gonna make this work you're not gonna be able to hold together the idea of of biblical authority Inspiration inerrancy and everything else.

You're not gonna be able to hold that together with The concept that God is ignorant of the actions of free creatures. It just it doesn't work. It's not possible. It is not possible but as I've said many times before open theism is the only consistent Arminian ism because if you Accept that God has exhaustive Infallible knowledge of all future events including the actions of free creatures.

Try as you might you're not gonna be able to hold that together. You're gonna have to just throw up your hands and and appeal to mystery at some point. Even if it's not mystery as the New Testament defines this mystery.

You're gonna have to do it. It's not possible to put it together. You're gonna have to hold to some level of incoherence inconsistency contradiction call it mystery all you want, but that's that's that's what it is and Judas Displays this very very clearly.

I Mean if you want to hold to a libertarian perspective Judas is a real fly in the ointment. If you want to if you want all of them are because the whole thing could have fallen apart at any point. Judas decides not to not to go through with it.

Pilot decides listen to his wife. Herod has a lucid moment. I you know the centurion leads a mini rebellion. You know there's just so many ways it could all fall apart that I remember. It's interesting so I guess on the Wayback Machine right now or what not right now, but This morning or something the Steve great either the Steve Gregg debate was playing or I was playing Steve Gregg stuff or something like that.

And I was you know I remember at least he tried to be consistent in the sense of saying well Paul. Yeah, Paul could have said no. Paul could have you know Paul could have resisted the the call of God even though he's knocked off his horse and and Then God would have had to go find somebody else and You know at least you're being consistent there.

I don't that's not the guy of the Bible, but you're being consistent at that point and. So it's an excellent question and let's let's listen to Michael's response right very good question and of course Acts the fourth chapter says explicitly that Herod and Pilate and the nation's Jewish leaders conspired together to do what God had for ordained them to do so the question is did he Then say okay high priest you're gonna.

Do this regardless of your will of participation of order. High priest you're gonna. Do this. Not listen listen to it again. You're gonna. Do this regardless of your will of participation of regardless of your will and participation no High priest you're going to do this because it will be your will to do so in fact In many instances as I as I emphasize many times God is restraining the evil of man.

I mean for example. What would have happened if One of the soldiers let's say one of the soldiers let's say this was the temple guard not Roman guard in a sudden flash of Zeal for the ancestral traditions had pulled his sword and run Jesus through in the garden.

No cross. No Eloy Eloy Lama sabachthani kills Jesus in the garden right there Ruins everything. Well if he's free he could do that right. I mean if you really believe In the autonomy of mankind you have to say that could have happened.

God's just lucky it didn't work that way. Right so it is not the reformed position That the high priest's will is. Has any bent toward good the high priest even the high priest we certainly know the high priest is Priesthood was extremely corrupted this time yes, that's that's an argument frame when I would hope and so you have an unregenerate man religious man.

But but just read Matthew chapter 23 get an idea of what that's all about so you've got an unregenerate man and The idea I think in the back of Michael's mind here is well, but he could have chosen I Got a firm you could have chosen to do otherwise and the Calvinist says he can only choose do worse.

God's restraining him from doing the worst he could do but the reality is the text of Acts chapter 4 says They did what God's hand had for ordained would come to pass there isn't a question about there's there's no.

You know there's no argument here about you know language or anything like that To do Whatsoever your hand and Your plan your bullet Had pra or is n pra or idzo predestined to take place. And notice it's poy a say hossa, whatever.

There's no limitation. Poy a say hossa. Hey Kyra, sue your hand Kai Kai. Hey bully sue and your will Predestined to take place. I Mean it's really strong. You know Michael has said more than once how could it be any clearer and that was after listing all the all passages and we went Through every single all passages said how it's not nearly as clear as he thought.

It's actually clear the other way well I Said this to you and say how could this be any clearer to do whatever your hand and your will Predestined to take place it is just absolutely. There's outside of whether the second pronoun is found sue.

It's pretty straightforward. Very straightforward very very clear. So it's not as it's being presented here. Well, you know God was cons was God constrained by the will of the high priest and Again, if you say well, but see God foresaw that these people would be this way.

And so he just worked things out so they'd all be but even man in his evil. Does he not have different ways. Is it is it not the case that we are sometimes shocked at? The expression of man's evil for example, I I saw one of the most Amazing stories online a couple days ago these two Thugs.

Just absolute thugs. Lord this young girl up on top of the roof of a brownstone in. I think it was. I think it's Philadelphia Raped her and Then when they got done raping her they threw her off the roof.

To the pavement below. Now aside from that being an incredible argument for capital punishment. It also. How many times have there been people who? Rape someone and then they just leave them. Well, these guys came up with the brilliant idea of tossing her off the roof.

Man in his evil can act in many different ways so again, it's the specificity of the fulfillment of prophecy and God bringing about the crucifixion in the exact way he wanted to. You just look there can only be one Autonomous will in this and it's God's and why is it the Christians want it to be man's?

I want to be God's for crying out loud. I really do. So we go back then say okay high priest you're gonna do this regardless of your will of participation. I've ordained you to do this pilot. I've ordained you to do this Herod.

I've ordained you to do this. Or. Because God had a specific plan and because of God's infinite wisdom He then worked things out in a certain way to accomplish his will by people. Michael Michael Michael Michael.

What do those words mean? By his infinite wisdom. Yeah, exactly. It's called his divine decree it's cause it's called that decree that gives formed the very fabric of time which includes the Responsible actions of men in time.

That's the basis of it. That's the basis of it. The whole reason that we can be held accountable is that God and his decree has made a world in which that is possible. We are not the slaves to cosmic forces that are beyond ourselves.

We're not like the the pagan Greeks and Romans who had the gods and Mount Olympus who controlled the destinies and the fates of men. And all the rest this kind of stuff. No what gives there the very fabric and form to time itself is God's sovereign decree and that decree included The wills of men like Herod and Pilate and everything else.

To every single soldier the whole nine yards it is all a part he predestines. Everything that comes to pass Ephesians 111 the one who works all things out of the council of his will that's God. He's the one who accomplishes his will in heaven the earth and deeps and all all places.

I mean that's been the confession of Scripture all along. Has it not it has. It has so to say well, but but he you know, he has a purpose and so by his wisdom, what does that mean? Whose wisdom Gets the credit because could God's wisdom have failed.

Could it have been other than it was? The consistent proponent of the Autonomy of man's will will have to admit well if man's autonomous then it could have been other than it was. But you see the problem here is God is so clearly actively involved actively involved in The Bringing together of these tremendously, I mean think of the think of the vast difference between the intentions and Wills and nature of the Jewish leadership over against Herod over against Pilate over against the Roman soldiers and Yet the prayer of The early church brings them all together.

Both Herod Pontius Pilate along with the Gentiles to people's Israel to do whatever your hand and your plan and predestined to take place massively different intentions and Yet it's God's intention. That is accomplished.

Who would be given to that? So how do we determine really? It's very simple because all of the Bible from beginning to end makes clear that we make choices. Of course, we make choices. But as R .C. Sproul puts it I am free.

God is free when my freedom runs into God's freedom. I lose. No one is saying that Herod did not make choices. It's a it is a simplistic Presentation of what we're saying to say that Herod is was just this this Puppet on a string and God said Herod be bad.

Okay, God, I'll be bad. That's not what we're saying. But it's also wrong to say that well God had looked down the course of time and oh There's an opportunity at that time. These kind of people are gonna be around and they're gonna be given to this kind of stuff.

And so I'll be able to use them again that that sounds and and Michael says he's not a Molinist, but that's Molinistic language. That's a Molinistic language to where what God's trying to accomplish. He's dependent upon the actual characteristics of the individuals involved that's that's Molinistic language.

He what did he he actualized the particular world where Herod had this kind of characteristics and and Pontius Pilate had this kind of characteristics and so given these circumstances they do these things that's that's the road to Molinism and Many there be who follow who go in there at these days.

That's for sure all the Bible makes clear that God's saying you can repent you can choose life. You can choose death and that's why to some he says well done good and faithful servant and for others He said over and I gave you opportunity over and over and over and over and over and you refused.

Now notice he's going back to the default argument that as long as there is an admonition to make choices. Then we must be autonomous. So if the choice is to be perfect or not be perfect, we must have the capacity to be perfect.

Well that doesn't follow we've already pointed out that that is a fundamental category error. But it's also not answering the question. Because well, I guess in a sense it is saying well, yeah does sound like Judas was Predestined to do a specific thing at a specific time in a specific way and it was personal and everything else.

But we really can't go there because we have this general overarching concept that but when you look at all of Scripture it says this and I just simply say that's not how we do theology that is ignoring one part of the Revelation so as to hold another part of the Revelation without harmonizing the two together and That's a bad thing.

So when God was going to Accomplish his will with the Exodus. He raised up a particular Pharaoh that he knew in advance. This man will not let you go. No, he said he would harden his heart long before Pharaoh did anything God said I will harden his heart because he had a purpose and the purpose was to Demonstrate his power against the gods of Egypt.

And so the question is does God have the right? To use his creatures to proclaim his own glory that really, you know when you get down to it. That's really the overarching question. Does God have the right to use his own creation to demonstrate his own glory?

Or does he not and One side seems to say no because it's more important that God Treat everybody the same. Now that sounds great in Western culture, it's sort of a little tough when you read the Old Testament.

Because that's not how God ever did anything in the Old Testament. He did not treat the Egyptians the same way. He treated the Israelites. He didn't He treat the Assyrians Babylonians same way. He treated the Israelites the Amalekites the Amorites the Jebusites, I mean we can we can do a lot of ites here and The answer is going to be clear and obvious all the way across.

He was accomplishing a purpose and by grace. He used a particular people who were not foreseen To be better than somebody else. He didn't look into the future and go wow those Israelites there. They're they're more pliable than other people now.

It's just the opposite. They're stiff-necked hard-hearted. I Mean, how many times do the prophets say that it's clear. It's it's it's it's right there and Pharaoh hardens his heart over and over before God then in Hebrew Strengthens his heart.

That's the first thing that happens strengthens his resolve. So when it was a purpose specific, I see this again, this is ignoring Exodus 4 I mean before Moses says word one to Pharaoh. God says this is what I'm gonna do.

This is what I'm gonna do. It's right there civic purpose to accomplish something from the Lord. He raises up a specific person to do it as opposed to take someone who's a God fear who's humbled himself.

Who's that? Who's that there is no God fear. Isn't that what Paul said. I Mean, I think let me let me look here real quick. Let me let me look. Did it did it did he did eat the D? Well, it certainly says there is none who seeks after God and Verse 18 of Romans 3 says there is no fear of God before their eyes.

What. Who's the God fear. The only God fears ever existed those who've been the recipients of God's grace. That's why Noah was a God fear or Job was a God fear or anybody else any other for the fallen children of Adam Recipients of God's grace, but that grace has to be free.

And so where does the freedom come from comes from God? God is free and That then results in man. I guess it would help if I Reclicked on the right program again and who's pleading with God for help and mercy and responding to the voice of the Lord says no I'm gonna harden you.

So what's the overall testimony script now? Did you catch that? Listen up again. Who's a God fear who's humbled himself and who's pleading with God for help and mercy and responding to the voice of the Lord says?

No, I'm gonna harden you. So what's the overall testimony scripture? So I'm gonna harden you who would ever say that. But again, see this is where theology matters. Michael believes that there are people who could do that and I say there are no people who could could do that outside of God's grace and this is why the assumption of prevenient grace on The part of Michael and others I have to challenge it.

Where'd you get that? I know where it comes from. I know where it comes from. I Don't have the The book in here, maybe we can it will take a break here and I can I Can grab it? Let's take a break at 45 since we're going for jumbo today.

So it'd be halfway through. I know where it comes from. We'll talk about it. But okay just a couple couple more here. Honestly, maybe a minute left. Maybe a minute left with Cain and Abel that Abel humbled himself in a certain way that Cain didn't and one Thing that one did was pleasing the other was not.

I see that God finds Noah. There's something in Noah that's pleasing in his sight. So people are responding to God throughout scripture it really sounds to me like like Michael is saying that that men apart from specific grace are able to be pleasing to God.