DEATH KNELL FOR HYPER-PRETERISM

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Well tonight is the fifth and final night of our eschatology series

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It has been it's been a great time walking through all of this Pastor Jeremiah has done an amazing job

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Adam two weeks ago did a great job with with the all -meal position, but Is anyone else there's anyone in here more confused than they were about eschatology when we started?

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Jonas he's the only honest one. All right Well, that's a good thing because it means that we're thinking about it

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It is the idea of in times far more complex than you would ever thought

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It's as complex or more More. Yes, it is and that's what makes it so difficult.

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And that's why we can we can rally around these three positions and And if you guys have more questions or you want to talk about it, obviously

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We can Either myself pastor Jeremiah. I know Adam is always

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Rare and ready to talk about it so we can we can be hashing these things out as a church as we go and And and have unity in all of them

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But I've got some announcements before we jump in as pastor Jeremiah is going to get us Wrapped up on this

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Our announcements that we already have another new member class this Sunday So we have we had one two weeks ago and now we have to have another one.

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We're doing another one So if you are interested or know somebody that that missed the last one and wants to jump in on this one

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We'll be doing that. So we're not gonna skip Q &A though. I He's gonna do the sermon

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Q &A afterwards while we go over to the house and do the new members Meeting so I'll remember that next this

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Sunday a new members class Oh next announcement is from our friends at Grace Baptist.

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There is a family in the church that has now Started the

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Arkansas equal protection What is it committee or whatever whatever they're called, but they're partnered with end abortion now at apologia

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And so they have already got I think some bills in in Arkansas and they're already working towards that But they have a meeting on Thursday February 16th at 6 o 'clock that they wanted to invite everyone to if you have any interest in being involved in end abortion now

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Or you just want to know about it. This would be a great opportunity for you So Thursday, February 16th, and if you want to know the location and all of that Just come let me know and I'll send you the link to that group so that you can go to that But six o 'clock that night

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There's a great opportunity for great ministry We are back to our regular Bible study next week

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So we'll be back in Jude And like I said, I think we're in Jude 9 and then the youth will be back over at the house

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And what part of first John are y 'all in now? Verse 6 of chapter 1 so you youths better be studying up.

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All right next week. We're back to normal Definitely review.

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Okay. Well good and we will probably have to review because it's been weeks since we've been in Jude And we'll jump right back into it.

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All right, one last thing is we We have decided that we have got a massive parking problem.

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Does everyone agree? Yes, that's a good problem to have and usually we get to park up here on the ground

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But the weather doesn't want to cooperate with us anymore So if you want to try and park up there feel free.

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I just don't do doughnuts in my muddy yard And you're probably not going to be able to get out of there So what we have done is as Ryan here has gotten chat poured at the front house

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For a whole parking area. He spread that you were here to what 1030 at night the other night Just trying to finish it before the rain.

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It was last night before the rain hit so that is reach at up there So it's not muddy. It's good.

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It's great to park on so could we get about 10 vehicles to volunteer to park up there on Sundays and We will be shuttling people back and forth.

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So I know for us. We'll park our three cars up there So that's three pastor Jeremiah four five six seven

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All right, so we've got seven so far eight, all right Nine and then we've we could probably we might be able to fit some more up there

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But around ten would say I mean that gains us ten spaces here For guests and for anybody else that frees up nobody gets trapped

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And so what we'll do is is everyone has mine and pastor Jeremiah cell phone number

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When you get here you text us and say we're parked and we will send the shuttle up to get you

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And that way that way we can we can keep people from having to set up there and wait for like a 15 minute rotation

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Right. So thank you for your willingness to do that and that frees this up to where people don't don't get trapped

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It's good problem to have but it is a problem. We got to work there. So, all right Well, let me pray and then pastor

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Jeremiah will run with this dear Heavenly Father. Thank you for tonight. Thank you for Your provision in our lives.

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Thank you for our family getting to come together And just look at your word to grow from your word to glean from your truth

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Lord, thank you for pastor Jeremiah and Adam how they have diligently taught

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With clarity over the past few weeks and Lord I thank you for allowing us the privilege of setting under that and learning

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God I pray that we would grow as a people that we would look forward to the coming of our

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Savior He comes as a reigning King to Defeat death once for all

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Lord, we we are so excited to be able to study these truths help us to have clarity and wisdom

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Discernment as we think through them in Christ's name. Amen Testing testing man is really pouring out there.

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Y 'all like my new microphone we got up here I told Justin Stasny I looked like one of the back backstreet boys and he was like more like Britney Spears I was like, thank you.

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Thank you for that Justin So this Wednesday We're going to wrap up our eschatology series so this is week number five and I just want to recap for a moment something that we've tried to do is say eschatology the study of last things and the

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End times so deep right? Well, he's probably started this series and you're like wow I had no idea of all just the mass in -depth information that you know goes in to interpreting scripture with scripture there

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But we've kind of talked about three orthodox perspectives You have the pre -millennial view the all -millennial view and the post -millennial view

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Okay And these are good orthodox positions that all unify on the essentials of eschatology and they have healthy disagreement about the non essentials, okay, and so This Wednesday I want us to recap on the three essentials what they are and why they're so tethered to our blessed

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Hope to the gospel promise itself and so please write your questions down because hopefully we'll have a little bit more time at the end for Q &A and It's not stump the chump because there's a lot to eschatology

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I don't know, but I just want to let y 'all know definitely want to allow for more time for Q &A

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So the three orthodox perspective once again unites around these three truths

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So if you want to write this down number one the future bodily second coming of Christ That's number one number two the resurrection of the dead and number three the new heavens in the new earth

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Now these are tethered to the gospel promise Jesus Resurrected from the dead and he says

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I will give you new life that that includes having a rest or a restoration A life with God right in communion with him

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But this also promises life eternal where he's going to resurrect us unto new life

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Give us new bodies fit for eternity. And so something else with our eschatology series

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We've talked about a major heresy out there called full preterism Full preterism takes away these essential truths that we hold near and dear to our heart

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And so I want us as we're talking about these things I want us to answer the question tonight.

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How do we know that the second coming of Christ is in our future? Okay, so I want us to tackle that biblically this evening if you would open in your copy of God's Word to 1st

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Corinthians chapter 15 We're gonna look at verses 20 through 26 in 1st

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Corinthians 15 And we're gonna hit on these three essentials in eschatology And I want to show without question how we know

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Christ's second coming the parousia is still in our future And so in this passage we read

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But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep

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Whereas by a man came death by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead for as an

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Adam all die So also in Christ shall all be made alive But each in his own order

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Christ the first fruits then at his coming those who belong to Christ Then then comes the end when he delivers the kingdom to God the

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Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

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The last enemy to be destroyed is death So this is such a wonderful passage so much jam -packed in there.

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And so You saw his coming in verse 23 at his coming. He's going to receive those all that come to him

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So this kind of brings us to our first major point that Christ's second coming. It's going to be future in Bodily, and so I want to put that on pause and say when we go back to verse 20

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The Apostle Paul talks about Jesus's first coming as he's building up to his second coming here because what

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Jesus accomplished at his resurrection is so important for the Resurrection of the dead and it tells us many things about the second coming as well

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And so look with me back at verse 20 Paul says but in fact

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Christ has been raised from the dead. Okay. Now you may say that's pretty basic, right?

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This is talking about Jesus's bodily physical Resurrection, right? Remember that's what he did at his first coming.

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And so Paul is telling us that this was a physical reality Jesus is the God -man, right?

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In John 1, his incarnation He added human flesh to his person. And so Jesus represents humanity

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Okay, something we experience in this fallen and broken world is death Physical death, right?

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And so Jesus he experienced that right? Remember he it was actually prophesied to happen That's actually an important reality to the gospel itself

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Let's look at this the opening verses of 1st Corinthians 15 this a lot of times is referred to as the resurrection chapter

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So Paul in the very beginning says now I would remind you brothers of the gospel

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I preach to you which you received in which you stand and by which you are being saved if you hold fast the word which

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I preached to you unless you believed in vain for I delivered to you as a first importance what

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I also received that Christ died For our sins according to the scriptures that he was buried and that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures

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And so this is so important this whole chapter is talking about the resurrection of Jesus Actually happened as a historical event and it was physical his body died, right?

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He was put in a tomb, but he rose again the third day This was actually prophesied to happen according to the Old Testament scriptures

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Okay, so I want you in your mind to think okay Paul is talking about physical death and Jesus physically rose again from the dead on the third day

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So look with me back at verse 20, but in fact Christ has been raised from the dead and this is an interesting phrase

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He says the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep Okay, Jesus is the firstfruits his resurrection is something totally unique something that it has not happened before because you may say well

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Didn't Lazarus didn't he resurrect from the dead one? Wasn't there many other miracles or people were brought back from the dead?

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Yes, but all of those died again, right when Jesus resurrected he resurrected in glory for Forever, right?

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And so he's the firstfruits meaning that there are more to come like him okay, so remember the three big points of Jesus's future coming second point is the resurrection of the dead because At Jesus's second coming he's going to receive all

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Saints and they will be resurrected with new bodies Okay, and so the point is he is the first fruit

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Okay, and so because he actually died and he actually resurrected Physically and bodily and so it says that he's the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep

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Now you may think well, does that mean there's a lot of people just taking a snooze right? Are they are they sleeping?

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Paul is actually using a euphemism a common phrase here meaning that there are many people that are in Christ that have died

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Right, they've fallen asleep. He uses this phrase all throughout 1st Corinthians and Jesus in the

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Gospels he even told the disciples that Lazarus has fallen asleep and they were even confused and said, okay, that means he'll get better, right?

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He's like y 'all don't understand. He's dead, right? He's going to stinketh much for four days

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He's gonna be actually dead and I'm going to raise him from the dead. And so this is important for the context talking about Jesus actually died physically and he was raised bodily the third day and this is a

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Promise for all believers that are in him that we too will be resurrected bodily

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And so we know that because he's talking about physical death here when he says those who have fallen asleep

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Okay, and so verse 21 Says for as by a man came death by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead now so We're gonna table the first major point about Jesus's future bodily return okay, now we've already talked about many things that happened at his first coming a bodily resurrection and that quickly moves us into How the resurrection of the dead is going to be one day

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Okay, Jesus is going to judge the living and the dead for all of those that died in Christ We are going to be resurrected with a resurrected body like Jesus has

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Okay. Now this is so important because remember full preterism. They're actually saying well, you're not gonna receive a resurrected body

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This is actually talking about when somebody puts their faith in Christ and is saved That's actually one explanation of what resurrection here

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You're dead and your sins and trespasses and this is it talking about a spiritual resurrection and I'll say timeout

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That's not the context of what Paul is talking about here He's been talking about physical death and he's also talking about physical life a physical resurrection

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So and I want to show you more on on why that is the case So when we read about the resurrected the resurrection of the dead in verse 21

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This is what the whole chapter is talked about We see what Jesus's resurrection looked like and this is a promise of what all

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Christians will have one day as well If you look down at verse 35 Paul says but someone will ask how are the dead raised and with what kind of body do they come?

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And you can almost hear his frustration in the next verse. He says you foolish person What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.

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And so just so no one is confused He's not talking about a mere spiritual resurrection.

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He's saying look take a little seed a kernel It has to die. It has to go into the ground before it can come to new life and transform

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He says it's no different with us. We have to die physically in order to be resurrected physically and bodily

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So he continues to build his case in verse 42. He says so it is with the resurrection of the dead

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What is sown perishable? What is raised will be raised imperishable it is sown in dishonor and it'll be raised in glory

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It is sown in weakness. It will be raised in power And so it goes on to say it is sown a natural body

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It is raised a spiritual body if there is a natural body there will also be a spiritual body

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So he's telling us the kind of resurrection Believers will have and I have to stress this point because of what full preterism says it's saying oh, it's just a spiritual resurrection

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Right when you believed in Christ, it's like no No, he's arguing for something so much more than that reality, which is true

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But because of how Jesus was resurrected that is also how we have been resurrected

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And as we continue to look at this the Apostle Paul takes us back to Genesis He actually brings up Adam from in the beginning, but look with me at verse 45

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Thus it is written the first man Adam became a living being and the last

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Adam Jesus Became a life -giving spirit, but it's not the spiritual that is first but the natural and then the spiritual the first man was from the earth a man of dust the second man is from heaven as Was the man of dust so also are those who are of dust and as as is the man of heaven

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So also are those who are of heaven just as we have borne the image of the man of dust We shall also bear the image of the man of heaven

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So do you see the the unity that we will have with Christ? Right. He he physically bodily resurrect.

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We we too will be joined with Christ in that way Still yet future. Okay, but we also see a parallel a comparing contrasting rather with the first Adam and the second

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Adam go back with me at verse 20 I want you to hear all this because this is so important with how we understand the first Adam in Genesis So once again, we read in verse 20

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But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep For as by a man came death

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This is going to be Adam and then by a man Jesus has come also the resurrection of the dead

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For as in Adam all die. So also in Christ shall all be made alive

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Okay, so you kind of have three different people in mind You have the first Adam the second

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Adam and then all people who are in Christ and even I guess Fourthly all those who are just in Adam.

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I want to point out something back in verse 21 It says for as by a man came death

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Okay, death happened with Adam in the garden Okay, and so I actually want you if you don't mind turn with me to Genesis chapter 2 for just a moment

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Because we read about Something that God said to Adam in the garden and the consequences that would happen afterwards

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Now I'm wanting us to prove without a shadow of a doubt how full preterism is

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Wrong and it's heretical and what they're going to say in first Corinthians 15 is it's talking about a spiritual death

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It's not talking about anything physical and we know this Based on what Adam or God told

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Adam in the garden the day that you eat of this tree of knowledge of good and evil Surely you will die and their point is

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Adam did not die physically. He must have died spiritually in that day And I want us to say well

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Adam should have died physically that day and he didn't because God is gracious and merciful

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Okay, and so this is this is really important. Look with me in chapter 2 of Genesis here starting in verse 15

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The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and to keep it and the

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Lord God Commanded the man saying you may surely eat of every tree every tree in the garden

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But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat for in that day that you eat of it

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You will surely die Now this is the context of what's going on God is saying the day that you sin against me there will be justice.

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There will be Consequences when that happens, right? I've heard pastor Nathan talked about when the the creature of the dust sins against God they have committed cosmic treason

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Okay, and so God is telling Adam there will be a reckoning for when you sin against me.

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There will be death Okay. Now man is at least a two -part being he is a spiritual being and He is a physical being he has a spirit and a body at least

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Right, Don So this is important because death touches both features of what man is

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And so what I'm getting at look earlier in chapter 2 starting in verse 7 the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and then

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Breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living creature

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There's a material aspect to humanity and an immaterial aspect to humanity, right?

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And then earlier in chapter 1 we realized that we're made in God's image Okay So think about what

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God is saying when he tells Adam in that day that you eat The tree of knowledge of good and evil and sin against me you will die death is touching both features of what man is the material aspect and the

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Immaterial aspect and so the full preterist will say but he didn't die physically that day I would say you're right

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But he should have he should have because of who he is and God is saying there's gonna be consequences and I am a just judge to carry that out

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So even though that there was a spiritual separation with Adam and the Creator Guess what?

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God is gracious. He is merciful and he provided a way of salvation Even though man should have died physically in the garden

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Okay, and so God provided a way of salvation look with me at verse 15

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Chapter 3 so we know more of the story that the devil tempted Eve and Adam and then you know

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All of the guilt of sin is carried by Adam in this but God says to the serpent

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I will put in the tea between you and the woman between your offspring and her offspring He shall bruise or crush your head and you will bruise his hill.

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This is essentially the first gospel Proclamation that there's a coming seed of the woman that's going to crush the head of the serpent

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All right. This is wonderful the entire rest of the Bible describes verse 15 in more detail

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Okay, I don't want you to lose something remember Adam should have died physically that day and God is just and he will execute

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Justice, but we learn more about the character of God that he is also merciful He's also loving and he is kind and so what

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God doesn't do is judge them immediately and physically that day And he had every right to But he shows them grace.

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Look with me at verse 22 Or verse 21 here in chapter 3 and the

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Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skin Enclosed them

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Now as I've read through this narrative a whole bunch throughout the years. I just skimmed through these details

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I did not realize the gravity of what is being said here so when you read the garments of skins

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God provided a Substitute for Adam and Eve and how did he do that?

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He would have had to kill physically physical death had to happen with animals and that is a picture of what the

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Savior is going to do for God's people he's going to be our substitute. So here's here's the deal

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Something did die physically in Genesis chapter 3 and it wasn't man, even though that he should have died physically, right?

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But God made a sacrifice You see how you see how incredible that is because God was already preparing the gospel message

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And so later in in the Bible, we read that Leviticus 1711 says that life is in the blood.

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And so that's why we the the the Saints of old They needed an ongoing sacrifice in their stay.

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That's why they Sacrificed lambs goats and they had the whole sacrificial system, right?

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These were imperfect for what Jesus would accomplish one day Okay And so this is all going into Genesis with Adam and then the second

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Adam the better Adam Jesus Christ And so I wanted you to be familiar with all that turn back with me to 1st

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Corinthians 15 This will shed more light on the argument that Paul is making here

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So look with me back at verse 21 where Paul says for as by a man

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Came death and then by another man Came also the resurrection of the dead for as in Adam all died

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So also in Christ shall all be made alive Here's the point of what he's getting at when

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Adam sinned He died spiritually and he was then subject to physical death, right?

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He should have died physically that day but God was merciful but he is the covenant head of all creation that now is cursed by sin and even though God was merciful on a

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Substitute was made that day Adam began to die and he died 930 years later.

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Okay, and so here's my point What Adam did he died spiritually and it subjected him to physical death

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Jesus reverses the curse Right by faith in Jesus. We are brought to spiritual life and he promises us that he will resurrect us

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Bodily with the resurrected bodies fit for eternity You see the point that Jesus is making with the first Adam and the second

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Adam And what I'm really wanting to key in is the word death for as by a man came death.

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This is talking about Spirit or this is talking about physical death. Now man is both physical and spiritual so that separation happened

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We have to understand that he's talking mainly about physical death here in 1st

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Corinthians 15 How do we know that because Jesus died physically and he bodily and physically rose three days later

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Okay, I know there's a lot but we need to have that in mind as we look at verse 23

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So verse 23 says but each in his own order Christ the firstfruits then at his coming

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Those who belong to Christ guys think about everything that we've kind of touched on so far

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He says but each in his own order Christ the firstfruits. Remember he resurrected from the grave

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That is the firstfruits of what is about to come and so at Jesus's second coming

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All who are his will also be raised like Christ Okay, and so I want to go back to that question

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I really want us to take away this evening is how do we know here in verse 23 at his coming that this is future?

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Okay Well, he answers it in verses the next couple verses then comes the end

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When he delivers the kingdom of God He delivers the kingdom to God the

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Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power for we he must reign until he has

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Put all under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death

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This is talking about physical death Okay, every time you look at wars fighting hurts and pains everything in this world

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We see death everywhere that is telling us that Christ has not returned yet. We have a promise that he will return and destroy death

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Okay, so when we hear the arguments now, this is just talking about spiritual death. No, no Jesus didn't just raise spiritually.

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He resurrected physically and bodily That's how we know that we have a future resurrection.

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That'll be like Christ when he conquers all things Can I get an amen on that? That is incredible This is a part of our gospel promise and that's why

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I'm so passionate against full preterism because they're saying no Those things don't belong to you that that was only to Old Testament Israel.

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That is just a spiritual reality Well man is spiritual and physical that's why

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God who is spirit the second person the Trinity took on flesh To be like us.

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He actually died and he actually resurrected and he's the first fruits That means that he is the rule. He is the example of what our heart longs for it to be

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Okay, so I want us to to hang on to that truth because Every time we look in the world or in the world and we see death hurts pains wars

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This is reminding us that God is working all these things And so we talked about the

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Olivet Discourse a few weeks ago in Matthew 24 and the other synoptic gospels Talking about the destruction of the temple and talking about the the signs of the coming of the

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Son of Man Something that he says there is that's so important is there's gonna be signs or there's gonna be wars and rumors of wars

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That's something we still see all around today. We saw a lot of it in the first century That's something that history will continue to have until Christ returns because he's going to defeat

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Physical death he's gonna put death to death Okay, and so that remember the three points that we're covering is the future bodily second coming of Jesus Right, and then we're going to see resurrected bodies fit for eternity to rule and reign with him and he's gonna judge the living and the dead or the just and the unjust because not only will he receive all his own in verse 23

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Right, we will be given rewards right for our obedience to him and we'll see crowns

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It goes right back at his feet and worship and those that die in their sin They too will be resurrected for eternal death eternal judgment and so This brings us kind of the the third and final point and then we'll get into some

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Q &A is Christ is going to restore all things Because this world is also cursed by sin, right?

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Our bodies are a part of the creation We're fallen creatures, but all the whole world has been cursed by sin as well

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And so we kind of see this brought out in verse 24 Then the end comes

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When he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power

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He must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death

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Okay, so he's going to restore all of creation. You want to jot this down Romans 8

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I really think articulates this future glory that awaits us

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I just want to read you. This is so wonderful because this is a part of our blessed hope This is the promise that we have in the gospel when we look to Jesus in faith

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Romans 8 starting verse 18 says for I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth

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Comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us for the creation Waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God for the creation was subjected to futility

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Not willingly but because of him who subjected it in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and Obtained the freedom of the glory of the children of God for we know that the whole

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Creation has been groaning together in pains of childbirth until now and not only the creation

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But we ourselves who have the first fruits of the Spirit Grown inwardly as we wait eagerly for the adoption of sons the redemption of our bodies

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For in this we hope we are we were saved now hope and And back up in verse 24 for in this hope we were saved now

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Hope that is seen is not hope for who hopes and what he sees But if we hope for what we do not see we wait for it with patience

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That is beautiful Christ when he returns He is going to restore not only our sin -cursed bodies in this resurrection, but he's going to restore all things

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And so we talk about the second coming of Jesus remember he resurrected

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Physically bodily he also ascended into heaven at the right hand of the

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Father Bodily, right and this is so wonderful If you want to jot this down Acts chapter 1 verse 11 all the

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Apostles were watching Jesus Ascend into heaven at the ascension And two angels were there and like hey guys

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And they're just you know standing in amazement and all and they said what are you doing the way that you see him ascending he will

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Also return that way So Jesus at his second coming will be bodily because he is glorified because he is truly the

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God man And so when we look to him we can have this Blessed hope knowing that he will return in the future and he will defeat the last enemy

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What do y 'all think all right, how was the time on that?

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Good all right. I think we're about to transition into Q &A so can't wait

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Let me ask y 'all this question, how do we know that Jesus is saying coming has not already happened

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Somebody first John 3 2 says at his appearing right, so how do we know that his appearing hasn't happened yet Keith?

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Okay So the full preterist would say sure we're trusting in him, and he's renewing his day by day

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How do we know that that Jesus is second coming has not happened? There's still physical death here on this earth

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That is the sign that you can take to the bank and says we we know Christ has not returned

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That makes sense Yeah any questions

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He's gonna judge the living and the dead meaning that he's gonna Yeah, yep, yep

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All will be resurrected and if you die in your sin you will receive a resurrected body fit for eternal judgment and There's many places that talk about that.

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I think it's Daniel 12 to John 5 29 talks about there's there's two types of resurrections essentially and for those that are in Christ We're gonna receive a resurrected body like Christ like you were saying first John 3 2 articulates that well

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Philippians 3 talks about how we at his appearing we were we'll be just like him

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That's good anybody else out there everybody, okay Yeah, I Will first say

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I don't know But the way that I would treat a lot of these passages is almost saying maybe how would the pre -millennial

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Do you treat this how would the all -millennial and then how would the post -millennial like you're saying? I and I don't know exactly how the post -millennial view would treat it

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I would suspect though that they would say the Apostasy the kind is falling away is tethered to the main of lawlessness

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And there's kind of multiple views on what it says could it be one person to end of it like specific possibly

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There's another view that says this is kind of in general kind of the spirit of the age the the main of lawlessness

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Those that reject the law of God You know I mean, and so I think that's how some people try to treat it as saying

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Yeah, we can kind of point to the first century to see how the departure especially Judaism really was starting to depart from the things that were given to them and trusted to them right

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So there's a lot of good answers, and I'll be honest I don't know where I land on a lot of this stuff.

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Y 'all might be think man. He knows it's like That's a good question I was kind of hoping no one would ask about that So kind of like a rapture

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Some people hold that view so In that view that necessarily means pre -millennials

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Remember we've been kind of talking about the three orthodox perspectives some pre -millennials would kind of read

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Snatching away like in the time of Noah some sometimes the point is well

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Noah was kind of snatched away while there was a big judgment right now the pre -millennials are split a little bit too because maybe

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What's going on is swift judgment and the one that's being taken away and one left It's not being one taken away to be protected one is taken away

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And so And then there's kind of discussion is the one being snatched away to be saved or is it being snatched away

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Sure no, and that's yeah So if you're if you're saying how does post -millennialism account for this you said post -trib so post mill is what you're talking about They would see all is that what your question is.

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How would the other big views account for this passage? That's a good question

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I'm not entirely sure How the hell remember because what she's asking is within pre -millennialism

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There's different people that think the rapture happens before the Great Tribulation During the middle and then at the end and you're asking how the mid and post -trib account for this.

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I don't know Good question

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I Bet where there's an article that you probably will speak to this because I love the ministry called got questions

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And they're a pre -millennial website dispensational pre -millennials So they write a lot of articles for that and they push a pre -tribulational rapture view.

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So you might find that Good question. I don't like I said, I don't know Any other questions out there

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We have spent five weeks in eschatology. So there's got to be questions out there

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Don Mmm Don recommends the book the last days according to Jesus by R .C.

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Sproul and it's really a Post -millennial book, but he covers a lot of the other positions with it Yeah.

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Oh, man, that's a good resource Yeah That's good, that's a good resource the other questions

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Erica you got a question All right,

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Josiah So the question was you got the wicked will be judged the those who are in Christ will be judged but what about the unborn

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So great question. I Is since he's loving and gracious he is going to protect those

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But not because they're innocent not because they're good or done anything in fact They're human and they do not love the

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Lord their God with all their heart soul mind and strength and you may say they can't I'm like they can't so that they don't deserve to be with God Okay, so the point is even those in the womb are not blameless or perfect in any that doesn't mean

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That God in his sovereign grace cannot Bring them in I will say this the scripture is not

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Explicitly clear all we look at is we can see many infants going to heaven

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And so I simply just let the just judge of all the earth to do right

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And so I kind of lean that way to say all the unborn all children all the mentally impaired

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I think they're gonna be in it, but it's not because anything good in them. It's because of how loving and gracious and sovereign

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God is I Say that right pastor Nathan And the reason

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I take that view is because We understand that God is sovereign right there is the elect right and he shows mercy on whomever he has mercy

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And so in Romans 9 before Jacob and Esau did anything good or bad? God loved one and the

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So some people throw out there you have those who are those infants who are elect and the implication is those who are non -elect

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And I'm just saying if that if that's how it is God is sovereign to do as he pleases it just might be the case that all infants all the mentally

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Handicapped that die in that state or the elect that makes sense so I Can see how this relates to eschatology?

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But those are kind of what we're working with as we say the scriptures not Super clear on that gives us principles, and then we ultimately trust the just judge to always do right

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That makes sense it's a good question Keith Mm -hmm

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Yeah, that's where our heart goes

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Yeah another good verse to kind of ground what you're saying, I think it's Deuteronomy 29 29 it says

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God has revealed many things to us and to his children, but then there are also things that are

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Mysterious that he keeps to himself and so we trust the one who does know the future

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And we rest in certain promises that he's already told us Like we've been talking about in eschatology that Jesus is coming back to defeat death physical death

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And then we're gonna have received resurrected bodies, and he's gonna restore all things That's good any more questions

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Christy Yeah So all meal has one of two options it could be a particular man

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It could be Nero it could be a very specific Antichrist individual or it could be something generic and so there are kind of arguments both ways

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But that's a good way of approaching it is it's either Talking about a specific person or the man of lawlessness is this kind of general idea?

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now pre mill typically sees that there being a person who's an Antichrist a false prophet and you kind of got the

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The unholy Trinity going on there and all that's kind of future But all meal kind of sees the all of it discourse the events happening

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Daniel Revelation as this is talking about something in the first century So I don't know to your question

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I Am awful at spelling so you'll have to ask you have to ask

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Adam Any other

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Mmm Mmm Good question.

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So what's the big difference between dispensational pre -millennialism and historic pre -millennialism?

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Dispensational pre -millennialism says that the way that God's going to fulfill his promises to Israel Didn't wasn't completed in the past.

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That's something that's going to be fulfilled in a thousand -year reign, right? So dispensationalism sees that as the major focus

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During the end times because the church is going to be raptured up either Before the tribulation in the middle or at the end, right?

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And so the thousand -year reign God is fulfilling the land promises Israel's finally going to be saved because they reject now

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Dispensationalism is on as focusing on Israel Historic pre -mill says the future this future thousand years doesn't have to be a literal thousand years it's just an extended period of time and God's focus is mainly on the church

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Not Israel during this thousand -year reign and historic pre -mill I do not think sees a pre -trib or a mid -trib view that the church is going to go through Persecution all the way through the very end

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So that's my understanding the biggest distinction between these two types of pre -millennialism

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Yeah, so the question is how do we understand the different kinds of dispensational isms, right?

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because there's kind of three big ones and so number one you have classical or Traditional dispensationalism and hear me is awful.

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It is wrong. And I would call it heretical Because this view has God That all right,

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I'm gonna create the world I'm gonna create Adam and Eve man I hope they do right and then they send oh no

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So now I have to make Israel give them the same command Oh, no, they sent so we got to send plan

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C. Jesus Christ Classical dispensationalism

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Has kind of that as a framework and different methods of salvations through all these different kinds of dispensations

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The Jews were maybe saved by works under law and all these things and now we're living in this kind of age of grace

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And it's not by works. And so hear me say classical traditional dispensationalism is

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It's to me as much heresy as full preterism Okay, that's just one kind then you have what's called moderate

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Dispensationalism and then a third kind called progressive dispensationalism They look at the other view and said, please don't put us in that boat like John MacArthur would be a moderate progressive dispensationalist

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Not a traditional or classical Okay, because the big thing that progressive moderate dispensationalism talks before when it reaffirms the sovereign

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God and salvation has always been by grace through faith but the question is between moderate and progressive dispensationalism is

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Jesus on the Davidic throne now or not Okay, the moderate view which

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I think this is where MacArthur's at is is to say even though Jesus is ascended at the right Hand of the Father.

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That's not necessarily the Davidic throne The moderate dispensationalist says the the

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Davidic throne will be in a thousand -year reign when he comes back Okay, and so I think the progressive dispensationalist will say no where Jesus is seated at right now at the right hand

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The Father is the Davidic throne, right? So I think that's kind of the only dispute between moderate and progressive and they are in a different category than the classical

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Traditional dispensationalism got the thumbs up Adam Yeah Yeah, I think so.

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The question is when we see the trumpets and first Thessalonians 4 at Christ's coming You're saying the all -male kind of sees that as Christ coming in.

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It's like, you know, he's the conquering King You know, we're praising him I want to say all of you see it the same like that principle the same just at different timing

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So I think pre -mill a lot of the pre -millennials will say when Jesus comes back in Revelation 19

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That's kind of what the trumpets are talking about right at the end But then you'll have the argument that mid

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Tribulationists make is saying no the last trump of the trumpet judgments is what first Thessalonians is talking about and so I think

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Postmill would see it the same way as all mill and that so Anybody else good questions one more question one more question.

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Who's it gonna be? Who's it gonna be anybody that? Hasn't asked a question that would like to Van Til was

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Dutch, right? So he was probably he's I don't know One last question

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Mm -hmm Miriam Mm -hmm.

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Good question. So the question is when we die now What happens to our bodies until the future resurrection?

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Maybe that's gonna be an issue for a rapture or resurrection and so actually if you do look back at 1st

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Corinthians 15 Verse 38 but God gives it a body as he has chosen and to each kind of seed its own body

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And so the point is even when our body rusts away goes back to dirt and is gone

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It's nothing for God who spoke this world into existence

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To make sure that we have a transformed renewed body at the resurrection

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Is that am I answering your question? So our yeah Got it.

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Got it. Got it So what happens to our spirit when our body gets wasted away a lot of theologians have talked about the intermediate state

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Which means that we go to be with the Lord about to be absent from the body Is to be present with the

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Lord so we go to be with Christ Where the Old Testament Old Testament saints are and so our spirit is with the

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Saints that are that have died, right? And so heaven in a sense is growing right as more

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Saints die They're going to be in heaven Roman or John chapter 14 talks about him preparing a place for us

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There's many different interpretations, but a lot of people say the go to be with the Lord in heaven That's just not our final destination because he's coming back right and when he comes back then you're gonna have

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The resurrection both for the the living and the dead the just and the unjust so that makes sense

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So we would essentially say we go to heaven But then one day he's gonna bring heaven to earth and it's gonna be the new heavens a new earth and we receive resurrected bodies

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Right. I would say we don't because we will only be spirits right now We're not an angel with a halo and what's the thing about when you hear a bell rings?

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Yeah, I would say you're right we don't know what that looks like Great question. All right, that's it past now.

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I got the thumbs up. Let's pray Heavenly Father we want to thank you so much for the series on eschatology

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God There's so many things that we don't know God that we can lovingly sharpen one another as we talk about these things

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But God we can rest in knowing that you Jesus will return one day and you will conquer

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Death physical death and then you will resurrect those who are yours that are trusting in you to have

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New transformed bodies fit for eternity and that you will restore all things. We love you