February 13, 2020 Show with Dr. James R. White on “Must One be a Calvinist to be Saved? A Response to the Gospel of Doctrinal Perfectionism”

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Dr. James are white. Well, I don't want to have you confused. There are there is at least one other one other evangelical author I know of named James. That's right. It is that is yeah. So we want to make sure in fact that James Emory white might be furious if people were thinking you or him today but Who knows.

Well, I for my knowledge, he's not a Calvinist. Oh, I have no idea as much as as much as we will be Attempting to refute hyper-Calvinism or Perfectionist Calvinism we will still be seeking to defend what Calvinism truly is today and that is the topic today, by the way for those of you who Did not see any of the promotions ahead of time the themes to be precise is must one be a Calvinist to be saved a response to the gospel of doctrinal perfectionism and one of the things that Basically pushed me To want to discuss this today with you is that when I had Justin Peters Come here to Carlisle, Pennsylvania very recently to speak at my biannual iron sharpens iron radio pastors luncheon There was one person in particular who will remain nameless Who kept pestering me to ask me why Justin Peters? refuses to answer the question is the Arminian gospel a false gospel and This is Something that As you know because you've confronted this often yourself.

There are there is a minority amongst those Who at least profess to believe in the historic doctrines of the tulip? That you and I share total depravity unconditional election limited atonement irresistible grace and perseverance and preservation of the Saints.

Some of these folks are so radical that they no longer call themselves Calvinist because they believe Calvin is in hell. Because Calvin didn't agree with him on this very subject that we are addressing.

But they believe if you do not believe In those doctrines of the tulip you are damned. You have no hope for salvation and not only are those Who are opposed to these doctrines damned those who profess to believe in these doctrines But believe they have Arminian brothers and sisters in Christ are also damned of course.

This is I'm broad brushing a bit here, but because there are probably many different sects within this Doctrinal perfectionism camp, but if you could pick up where I left off I would love to hear RC Sproul's response if you actually said to him that you invited.

In fact I've watched you argue with rich back and forth for about 15 minutes in the dividing line. Well, I'd love to. I would love to hear about it. I know that in my own experiences.

I have met people from Hyper Calvinistic backgrounds that are opposite ends of the spectrum. They both would agree that Evangelism is not a means by which God and his sovereignty Regenerates his elect.

They would say that's an Arminian understanding that God uses means Even of the proclaiming of the gospel the way the way that they were in polar opposite.

Ends.

The one group I'm thinking of immediately who are not all but are Flooded with hyper Calvinists in fact. I know that you spoke at a church that was not Under the category of hyper Calvinism in this denomination, and I'm speaking.

I'm speaking of the primitive Baptist. Then you have and they believe That since evangelism has nothing to do with regeneration or salvation. They believe that there are pagans who have never come to know Christ on this earth who will be in heaven.

And then you have on the other extreme people like in the the Netherlands Reformed Church the denomination that dr. Joel Beakey left Primarily because of hyper Calvinism there. They have a much smaller view of the elect and believe That the the number of those who will be in heaven is a lot smaller than most Christians think.

In fact I have been told by people who are former members of The Netherlands Reformed Church that you could have a church that has a thousand people or more in it. Of course that would have to be somewhere in Grand Rapids.

They believe that if you have a thousand even if you have a thousand more members in the congregation they have such a small view of the number of elect that they Typically, you will only see a handful of people receive the Lord's Supper and even in a church that large.

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The Gospel of Doctrinal Perfectionism and the Question of Saving Faith

Well, welcome back folks if you would like to join us on the air with a question for dr James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries on The theme today must one be a Calvinist to be saved a response to the gospel of doctrinal perfectionism.

Send us an email to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Let me first read a question from Mary in Cork, Ireland. Let's see. I just had it in front of me. I don't know if the folks over there in Cork are Screaming at their computers saying that Chris Arnzen's butchering their accent.

But uh, let's see here. I where is that question? I just had it in front of me. Okay, here it is. Mary in Cork, Ireland says according to Acts chapter 16 verse 32 through 31 the jailer asked Paul and Silas What must I do to be saved?

The answer was Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will and you will be saved you and your household. How clear is that she says? Well, that's an excellent question. And if you want to comment on that, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I do. And look, um is not going to inherit eternal life and the new testament here amongst the judea. You separate yourself from a well-known good fear meaningful test of the true things.

You can hey, you know now that really matters.

Yes, I had my. As I always do I have my mic on mute. When you are speaking because I want to try to make sure that is as little background noise as possible.

Chris, come on. I I know you too. Well, it's the snoring.

Hahaha. Well buzz is not here right now and if he was it would certainly be a reason for having microphones muted but um We have I there's no way that i'm going to be able to read the entire questions and or statements by Our next listener who sent in an email brian from Hanover pennsylvania coopersburg, pennsylvania.

I'm not sure why both are listed. Uh, but brian, we thank you for sending in your question and I think Me just asking his first Question will give you opportunity to give that minimal list that you believe must be present in the profession of someone before we can Uh with confidence claim that they are our brother or sister in christ, but he says hi chris and dr. White.

I saw this post I would like to comment and ask a couple of questions for you and dr White to seek to answer because I have been accused wrongly accused And slandered with such names as dr. White mentioned to preface my comment i'm not Or ever have been a calvinist a hyper calvinist or doctrinal perfectionist Even though i've been slanderously called all of that and more.

My questions are these and i'm only going to ask one because there's no way we could fit everything. He's presenting here. In fact brian, I will email Uh, dr. White your entire Email, and if you want to correspond with him later, that's uh up to both of you.

But here is the question that i'm going to read. How many gospels are the power of god unto salvation so Uh, why don't you respond to that and also give us? That minimal list that you said, uh has elements in it that every professing believer should have included in their In their faith in summary form in order for us to look at them as a uh, as a brother and sister in christ.

Yeah, well. So yeah, they're both roman catholics and ironically is quoted very often by reformed christians. Oh, yeah.

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Salvation by Faith in Christ Alone, Not by Calvinism

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But uh, dr. White when we left off I wanted you to basically give a summary of those things that You would think an orthodox profession of faith would need to include in order to it to be viewed as a saving profession of faith.

The Judaizers, the True Gospel, and the Content of Saving Faith

Yeah, well, I only found out a couple hours ago.

I sure hope some of those weirdos are listening right now. And yet and yet somehow oddly. He tells homosexuals that they're all going to hell and he doesn't even evangelize them and right in hopes that they Come to christ and leave behind their damning activity and desires.

No, he doesn't believe they can't right. Yes, it's interesting that we have the apostle paul.

In.

Galatians where He is making it clear. The judaizers have a false gospel and he hits at the core of why. The judaizers had a false gospel. It's because it involved an effort involved in a mixture with faith in christ.

Namely specifically the addition of baptism.

Uh.

I'm, sorry the addition of circumcision Uh to belief in christ in order to be saved. And so that was a such a crucial An abominable thing to paul that he declared the judaizers Uh to be accursed. And he said that they their gospel was no gospel at all and even warned his listeners that if he or even an angel from heaven Bring a gospel that was other than the one that they had.

The apostles had declared to them that they should be touchy. Situation. In one of your debates on long island that I arranged with Mitch pacwa who I uh as you do highly esteem him even though we believe He has a false gospel and is not our brother We still view him as a a man of integrity and uh a man who I I have never seen him in a debate with you where I think he consciously lied to you.