Islam, NBC and Hate Speech

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Spam, Catholic Answers, and the Irony of Mocking Tex Mars

And good evening and welcome to the dividing line. My name is James White and it is good to be with you on our first well sort of regularly scheduled Thursday evening broadcast. We've done them on Thursday evenings before But mainly because we just sort of needed to do that, but this one's actually scheduled and Supposed to be doing this fairly regularly on Thursday evenings from now on five o 'clock Mountain Standard time.

Those of you who are time challenged that will change when you all play with your clocks. But we'll always do it at 5 p .m. Mountain Standard time, which is currently 7 p .m Eastern Standard time, but that will be 8 p .m. Eastern Daylight time and I don't really know why we need all this daylight stuff any but anyways, so This evening on the dividing line.

I have been very Kindly subscribed don't you don't you love the terminology that that people use when they send you stuff they send you spam and They they say if you would like to opt out Why didn't opt in?

So why should I have to opt out? I don't I don't understand that part if you'd like to unsubscribe I didn't subscribe in the first place I've been I've been doing a oh about past ten days two weeks all the spam I get I try to find the To to leave click here.

Don't you love the ones where you click there and it comes up for 41? There's no 440 error. There's no such no such thing. That's just it's just lovely Anyways, I think there's one little Horn rimmed glasses guy someplace in a in a room with a huge server.

It sends all that stuff out. I just anyways love to find him and Anyways, so I've been subscribed without asking to be subscribed to a To a newsletter, it's Carl Keating's e-letter. Yes, Carl Keating's e-letter.

There's it's a letter that comes out from from Carl Keating of Catholic answers and So I Find that fascinating so I don't mind being on that list. This is this is the the e-letter for February 25th 2003 and I was talking about being down in Houston and stuff like that.

And Then then I found this fascinating little section at the end Well toward the toward the end of Carl's e-letter and it's entitled Invasion from Mars so to speak and guess what? It's ma.

Rrs and.

Of course as soon as I saw that I had to smile a little bit because he's talking about text Mars and you know. He's making fun of text Mars, which is very easy to do. In fact, I'll read you a little section here.

It's a speaking of being out of balance. Please direct your you attention should be your attention to text Mars who heads an Austin based ministry called power of Prophecy. In his latest newsletter Mars claims that Masons and New Agers believe that quote.

A catastrophe ominously looms on the horizon. Planet X a huge planetary body or star Is headed our way. Doomsayers are predicting the marauding planets elliptical orbit will bring it near to the earth by this spring or summer and quote.

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Love that a Planetary body or star, you know, there's a little difference between those two. You don't have to be our own beloved astronomer rocket scientist Balthazar Wally Bali guy from Australia in our in our channel to know the difference between a planetary body and a star.

There's a few physical differences between the two but anyways That's what text Mars now, of course he goes on and and he talks about how silly this is and and and even at the end You know, it says if you'd not wish to receive Carl Keating's e-letter because planet X will destroy the world.

So what's the point and then To change your email address you continue to get my e-letter once plant X goes on its merry way, etc, etc. And that's funny. I think that's you know, I like the I like the the humor and I certainly can join with mr Keating and in mocking text Mars cuz Texas gophi.

I mean that the best you can do with text Mars is to laugh it's impossible to take him seriously and and you really have to wonder about anyone who even tries to take him seriously, but That of course is what brings me to what's sort of funny.

And that is the the very same Catholic answers that produces Carl Keating's e-letter Has for many years I mean you can go back into the earliest publications of Catholic answers the first editions of this rock magazine and You can find them mocking text Mars because good old Texas, you know is very anti-catholic and That's you know, that's.

You know, they're gonna say things like that. They're gonna quote goofy weird things where text was talking about. You know how the Pope was probably designing a particular you know means of Controlling the world to a computer or something and who knows what what old text would come up with and so you'd expect that but It's important to note that from the beginning Catholic answers has.

Mocked.

Text Mars. Saying okay, obviously drop the other drop the other shoe. Well, some of you may have read Some of the articles we have on our website and one of them deals with the fact that it wasn't too long ago about 1996 1997 Catholic answers published one of its numerous hit pieces on me and In the process They Utilized a particular source of information To basically attack me personally now, this is very common.

In fact just today I was I came in first thing. Whoa a little bit too much there I came in this morning and some of the first things that I encountered were lovely warm kind loving comments from Roman Catholics, I got a Some guy let's see.

What's this guy's name? Michael Burnett be or Bernard or BER NAT. I don't know how it's pronounced. This guy sent me an email at my AOL address and I if Those of you who are computer people, you know what having an AOL address means.

That means that 98 of what will appear in your AOL mailbox will be spam you know, and if you let it go for a few days, you'll get to see screens full of Of everything I mean financial stuff stock stuff Enough offers to sell you Viagra.

That's you know, it's just absolutely incredible and Basically what I do and you might say well, why do you keep it? Well that address is in some of my old books and so once in a while, you know I try to scan through it, but you know, I do it on the web.

I don't do it through AOL. I do it on the web and I you know, just sort of scan down and you know, sometimes I'll catch some stuff and and.

And.

Forward it to my real email address and and so on so forth.

So.

Someone kicked that guy out. Before Gutenberg will do it. Eventually, I would imagine. Anyways. Once in a while, there's something there and I'll grab it and this guy sent me. I guess he sent me something before.

And.

He I guess I didn't see it whatever and. So the only reason that I saw what he sent me this last time. Is it just happened in God's providence to be the first one on the list, you know. You look at the first one anyways before you start scanning down and I opened it up and I read it and it was this.

This happens all the time these folks if they. You know, he writes and it had something to do with Apollonio Latar and and a question about Luther and and a few things like this. And so he CC's it to a whole group of people like Tim Staples art Sippo MJ Bono all these all these Catholic apologists.

And admitted later. He did it to make me respond. Well again, he's sending to the wrong email address in the first place. And so he pretty well blew his his credibility with me right off the bat, but I responded just to him.

I didn't respond to the whole group. I hate when these people set up these little Impromptu, let's just put a bunch of people in the CC list. It will start around a little bit and you know, well, you have nothing better to be doing in life.

You don't just because you're writing your 19th and 20th books at the same time and articles for other books and going ah. Who cares? You know, you've got you you need to have time to you know, do. Do whatever we tell you.

So anyways, I responded to him and of course, what does he do? He then sends it out to the entire list and. So I I open up my mailbox this morning to all these wonderful things and of course art Sippo good old dr Art Sippo such a loving man.

His first comment is James White is a liar and the disciple of the father of lies. He has many and it's it's ITMES. It should be times been caught making up things that are refusing to justify his allegations later on.

He is a poor advertisement for his religion, which should be religion, but we aren't spelling too. Well today, I don't mind point out spelling errors if you're going to insult somebody at least spell your insults correctly so this is how the whole thing, you know starts and.

So there's this whole line of things like that. And of course Apollonio Latar who's a high school student. You know later on is talking about how he's made a fool of me and stuff like that. And so I invited him by the way, just remind everybody the 13th of March I think we'll do a sort of little series of Roman Catholic apologists.

Aquinas is going to be on we're going to do the apocrypha debate on March 13th. That's a Couple weeks from now and then on the 20th. I've invited. Mr. Let's hard to be on to. He says he's made a fool of me on the subject of justifications specifically ambrosia stir and so hey we'll have him on and let him make a fool of me again, but Anyways, this is this is what we started with this morning's is wonderful emails and things like that.

He's wonderfully apologist. Well going back to this the story of Carl Keating's e-letter. These hit pieces have been very common over the years and and there's this hit piece from as I recall is James Aiken that wrote it and It was going after me personally and it was going after the fact that at that time.

I was teaching at Grand Canyon University. I had had the post of scholar in residence. I was doing some teaching there and Tex Mars Who of course is a King James only advocate doesn't like me had called up and it asked for my office well when you're a scholar in residence, it doesn't mean you have an office on campus and.

So he had found out that I didn't have an office on campus. Actually, it's a very small small campus, you know, and so he had put this in a newsletter now. He hadn't bothered to ask anybody, you know.

What the position was or whether I was teaching or what I was teaching, you know, nothing like that. It's just well. There's no office. So therefore he must be lying. Well, guess who picked up? Tex Mars Allegations against me and reprinted them as if they were a solid source.

Yes, you've picked it up this rock published by Catholic answers now remember this is after. They had already published numerous Hit pieces on Mars himself demonstrating that the guy didn't know what he was talking about.

Isn't it interesting? The enemy of my enemy becomes my friend. So I found it very very ironic that Carl Keating and in the February 25th Carl Keating's e-letter would talk about Tex Mars would rightfully mock Tex Mars.

But you know, I've never heard anything from Catholic answers apologizing for Utilizing Tex Mars and completely getting the story wrong. I guess we don't really deserve that. Anyways, do we not probably not?

Well, hey eight seven seven seven five three thirty three forty one if if Carl Keating is listening this evening. And he'd like to call in and apologize for that. Maybe James Aiken that would be fine eight seven seven seven five three thirty three forty one is phone number I don't know how many of you bother to even listen.

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Network news. I I will catch it if I happen to be around. You know, I mean, let's face it basically all network news is is the extreme left. Putting on a play about being journalists. That's really how how I feel about it.

It is it is a joke. To to call this in any way shape or form unbiased and unbiased news.

And.

So I I forget why it even oh, that's right I was a change and to go out on Tuesday night to go out and work out with the guys In between the awful leaks in my patio during the big rainstorm. We've just about been Washed down the the river here in Phoenix of lately of late and we've needed it.

But it's it's been coming down pretty consistently for a while. Anyways, I was getting changed and I Turned on I had NBC News on.

And.

There was the very last Segment of the NBC nightly news with Tom Brokaw Was about hate speech and As I listened to this thing, I I stopped and I started watching it and I just stood there shaking my head.

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Mean.

Obviously these folks no longer think that you even have to try to cover over your gross bias. Bob Fahl was the correspondent and if you watched it You I mean is oh obvious. That these individuals are are bending over backwards to give you the most.

Biased.

They they have a purpose and what they're attempting to accomplish and Convincing you of their particular perspective not reporting on anything. They want to accomplish something and so I went to the website.

They posted the article. I've downloaded it and since I am responding to and refuting it That is fair use and so I'm going to play you the it's a three minute and eight second segment here. I want you to listen now.

The problem is oh, by the way, if you want to if you want to go see this yourself, it's still there. Because obviously seeing it visually helps because then you see the video things they did to to create as strong a contrast between what they identify as as Peaceful thoughtful Muslims and the obviously dangerous hate-filled nasty Baptists.

That is the exact perspective. They want to communicate these folks will aid Islam if It means they can express their hatred to conservative Christianity. That's what they're all about if you want to see it Go to WW now, obviously if you're listening by archive, you know, this isn't going to help you a whole lot.

Probably cycle off eventually, but right now it's still available. Wwm snbc .com. Slash news Slash eight seven seven four one six dot ASP question mark zero DM equals n 19 Capital O capital N. Now. I know that's a lot.

But if you're listening on the web Anyways, you can play it a second time. It's really easy to do. That is the URL. In fact, what I will do here is I will let's see text and we're going to copy it and I'm going to put it into the channel and That way folks in the channel who are listening right now if they would like to watch it themselves Will be able to do so though that would probably mess up our live streaming if they were to do so.

So anyways There's the URL you can watch it yourself. It is so very clear. Visually exactly what's going on, but you can hear it when you listen as well. Now this is a recording of a live streaming. So the the quality is not all that good.

You might need to turn your volume up just a little bit to hear it. We'll do our best on our side. But let's first listen to the whole thing as a whole but I want to go through it point out the obvious errors and The obvious bias as it is presented in in this particular presentation.

Let's listen to it.

NBC News’ Hate Speech Segment and the Charge of Anti-Christian Bias

Tonight we began an occasional series visiting American cities and towns as the United States moves closer to war. In the days right after 9 -11 Understandably, there was a great deal of talk in this country about not blaming the attacks on Islam itself or Muslims generally.

President Bush visited a mosque and talked about the need for tolerance. Well, apparently that message didn't reach a powerful Baptist preacher in northern, Florida NBC's Bob Paul tonight on the Christian fault lines in Jacksonville.

In Jacksonville, Florida, the hymns are triumphant and the message is bold. Oh Preach ladies and gentlemen preach preacher preach the word so bold some true believers here are.

If I were Muslim, I would be worried. My worry is great.

They worry because this small Baptist Church not only publicly labels Muhammad a murderer. It drives home the theme on its website The heartbeat of Islam is hatred. And animus and the pastor of Jacksonville powerhouse first Baptist Church 25 ,000 members strong doesn't mince words either.

Vines calls Muhammad a demon plague pedophile and he's not about to back down. These statements were correct. I have not had any rebuttal from those statements. From a scholarly point of view Jacksonville Muslims devout and Complain.

The atmosphere is being poisoned. They're preaching hate.

They're they're trying to get people who don't know to hate.

Monica love told her daughters don't go out dressed like a Muslim. That's how much the preaching has alarmed her. It incites.

Unrest it incites us against them. Type of mentality.

But in this Sun Splash community the anti-islamic statements have been repudiated by only a handful of clergymen. I think we've got an obligation as Christians to say, you know, there's another voice to be heard here.

Well, some churchgoers strongly disavow the anti-islamic remarks. When I hear that it Really does cut to my soul as a Baptist. They concede the climate is now so inflamed. A war with Muslim Iraq will only make things worse.

My head tells me that if we're not careful this will escalate into a religious war. For many Muslims here. That is not mere speculation.

I think it'll come to the point of violence if it gets really bad around the world that people would use that to go after.

Muslims war begins though. The question here is who will be touched and how? NBC News Jackson.

Well, there it is and the the number of absolutely inane errors of logic in that presentation Unbelievable, I mean I was watching the the comments and channels people were listening to this and You all caught it.

You could hear that but I think we need to go through it point by point and I took the time and I want to Thank Sam Shamoon Answering Islam org. He gave me the references to speed up my research today.

And then I pulled them up on my on my neat new cool Program called the Aleem which gives you the Quran the hadith various collections of hadith Easily available right on your screen a very useful tool.

I pulled up the various hadith that Substantiate exactly what Jerry Vine said specifically about Muhammad's wife Aisha the fact that she was Given to Muhammad at age 6 and that the marriage was consummated age 9 and that the hadith Specifically says this was prior to her entering puberty and I'll read those specific things as we Get to that specific point, but just listen to the language.

It's the language is absolutely positively Amazing in this in this presentation.

I we began an occasional series visiting American cities and towns as the United States moves closer to war. In the days right after 9 -11 Understandably there was a great deal of talk in this country about not blaming the attacks on Islam itself or Muslims generally.

Now stop right there. There was understandably. Why. Is there was there any meaningful discussion. I know that the president spoke about this. He mentions that in a moment. In fact, let's go ahead and.

President Bush visited a mosque and talked about the need for tolerance.

Okay, there's there's you know, President Bush talked about all the rest of that stuff we all recognize there are different kinds of Muslims but almost nothing was said in the majority of the discussion on NBC CBS ABC CNN any of the major outlets of the relationship the proper relationship between actions of terrorism and the teachings of Muhammad.

The history of Muhammad the Quran you had the production of information concerning Muhammad and Islam on PBS that covered over all these things. But there was almost no meaningful discussion of any of that kind of stuff at all.

Instead very very quickly there was this well, we we need to be politically correct. We need to be very loving toward Islam. Even though all these terrorists were Islam were a part of Islam. They practiced the religion.

They were devout in this religion. We can't let that influence us instead. We need to turn our hatred toward Christianity. We've all seen it and it's weird, but that's what's that's what's been going on.

And so you have a lot as we must must have tolerance. So what's tolerance? No one's calling for. Does anyone take the time? I hear this stuff. I get the stuff sent in email. There are some small groups that monitor the preaching.

Of.

Individuals.

In you know Islamic lands in Arabic and These individuals Constantly call for the destruction of Israel the destruction of the United States as a part of their religious belief. Absolutely positively incredible.

I it's just why don't why don't they talk about that? Why won't they? Point are they really saying there's a parallel between the nutty Muslim cleric in London Whatever his name is don't have his name in front of me and Jerry Vines in talking about Islam notice all the Anti-islamic context comments anti-islamic context then listen to what they call anti-islamic comments.

It's absolutely amazing.

Well, apparently that message didn't reach a powerful Baptist preacher in northern, Florida. Oh the message didn't get to him.

He hasn't heard about the need to have Tolerance, which means don't tell the truth about Islam.

NBC's Bob Paul tonight on the Christian fault lines in Jacksonville.

What does that mean the Christian fault lines? What does that mean? I don't understand that fault lines. You mean it's the Christians fault. But what fault line that where'd that come from I don't know.

Now at this point if you haven't watched it. Here's you know here's the Baptist and the Baptists are wearing their their choir robes and they're singing and people are out in the audience and they're looking up at the big choir and there's the orchestra and the trumpet players and and you've got.

The big bad Baptists in their big bad church in Jacksonville, Florida. The hymns are triumphant and the message is bold.

There's the bold message preach the word. Okay, what's bold about that I don't know. I haven't figured that part out. But that's what we're being told so bold some true believers here are. Whoa, whoa, whoa back up.

What have we heard that would substantiate that in a in a I? Think just just think about what's going on here if you're a journalist. Don't you report? Your stuff for don't you present the facts so people can then draw their conclusions folks.

This is backwards. This is present the conclusions then present selected. Quote unquote facts within a context that only supports your conclusion. This isn't journalism. This is propaganda. That's the difference between journalism and propaganda.

Uh, no question about it, it's absolutely incredible. They're terrified. Well, what if we have to be terrified so far preach the word brother is all we've heard so far now listen to this. Well, we need to take a take a break over there.

Ye of the greatly powerful. You know in charge of all that kind of stuff. Yes. Oh, okay. I've got a Chat window open to you there, but you could set that there, but anyways all right, let's go ahead and and I will I will rest my smile my weary voice here for a moment and We will pick up at this point on the other side of the break.

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Welcome back to the dividing line. My name is James White. Yes. Yeah. Hey, there I am. Okay Gotta fade it out there a little bit faster than I want that. We're playing with new equipment and they have a new new toy over there that says sort of, you know distracting things right now I'm sure anyways, we are examining a almost frightening example of gross Propaganda on the part of the leftist left Known as NBC News and by the way, I wrote to them I've never written to them before on anything, but I did this time and Point out all the the goofiness here, but we're listening to a report by Bob Fah.

This is the that's right. This is religious bigotry. This is a clear example of leftist religious bigotry and We've already heard examples of it. Now. Let's continue a few more.

If I were Muslim, I would be worried. My worry is great.

They worry because this small Baptist Church not only publicly labels Muhammad a murderer. It drives home the theme on its website the heartbeat of Islam is hatred. And animus, okay now.

Now we just threw a bunch of stuff together. Okay, these people are worried and First we talked about a small Baptist Church. I don't even know what Baptist Church it was. But he says Muhammad is a murderer.

Okay. What is the logical rational way of dealing with that? Well, it's simple you just prove it, right? Can you do that?

No.

Because Muhammad was a military leader and He was also engaged in raiding of caravans to to obtain loot He had many many many people put to death simply upon his own assertion as as an alleged prophet.

He.

Murdered people. He was a man of blood and. Even if you take the most positive spin you can Just compare the founder of Christianity with the founder of Islam. Massive massive Difference as they just little Baptist Church first they give you a how long was that cut of the whoever it was it was talking.

I mean it was Five seconds. What was the context there? Who knows and it's obvious the correspondent does not care. But you you take that and then all of a sudden whom you swish off to Jerry Vines first Baptist of Jacksonville big huge massive church and just throw them all together.

Don't make any differentiation between what's being said at all and the pastor of Jacksonville powerhouse first Baptist Church 25 ,000 members strong. Doesn't mince words either.

Now you got to hear that again. What what terrible horrible. Example of religious bigotry. What strong words did Jerry Vines say?

Well listen again doesn't mince words either.

All.

Religions are not equally true heresy. Well only if you're a leftist liberal Postmodernist. Do you hear that you need. We need to understand these folks really believe and you need us in our in our in.

Our.

Context in our culture today that is Heresy don't tell me our culture isn't religious. Our culture has the religion a very strong religion of humanistic post-modernism and What Jerry Vines said is nothing different than what I have said over and over and over again.

All religions are not equal. They can't be. Think about what that would be. All religions are equal. That means God has not spoken. God lied in Jesus Christ. God cannot communicate himself. There is no truth to know about God.

I mean, let's Let's start down the road. Bob Vaughn needs to understand that what he's saying here is anti-christian religious bigotry. Let's identify it for exactly what it is. It is anti-christian religious bigotry.

He needs to be Informed that that's what he's engaging in. Maybe he's ignorant. Maybe he doesn't realize but he needs to be informed of it and. This is this is the religious atmosphere of our society Allows this kind of thing and most people probably never gave it a second thought.

Probably did not even give it a second.

Vines calls Muhammad a demon-plagued pedophile.

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Demon-plagued Pedophile now, those are the terms that came out in a in a talk that came out right after 9 -1 -1. Here's how I understand what he said. Demon-plagued would refer to the prophetic trances.

That Muhammad would go into the hadith describe what he would do the shaking and the sweating and and The the drooling on his beard that would take place when he would receive these quote-unquote revelations.

And one could make a very strong case Biblically speaking that such does indicate demonic activity. I mean you may disagree with him. You may say it was a physical thing or whatever. But you can't say that he didn't have that kind of of a of an experience.

Based on the official sources of Islam itself. Which of course I don't think Bob thought ever looked at because if he had then he also would have found out about what the Official documents of Islam say concerning this issue of pedophilia.

Now when he said it he Very you know, there's all this attention that was drawn to it. And so he gave the references he pointed out. This is what Islamic sources themselves say and those who work with Muslims know.

This is something that we have that you know that has been dealt with many many times. Muslim apologist knows what apologist know. What vines was referring to etc, etc, but a lot of other people do not and so again I mentioned earlier I was going to read these so I'm going to read these Sections again my thanks to Sam schmoon for Helping me track these things down today.

I've pulled these straight from the Aleem the program that contains the Hadith now the Hadith there's different collections of Hadith. This is from al-bukhari. There are other collections as well of the Hadith the traditions and these are considered to be authoritative collections.

From those who were rightly guided to remember the words and deeds of Muhammad and they become the tradition. Through which the Quran is viewed without these Hadith. It can be argued the Quran you can make heads tails out of it one way or the other.

Certainly as Islam has understood it and so we go to the Hadith you can find the Hadith online. They are available. Anyway, I posted the URL earlier in the channel today the Hadith are online. You can check these things out yourself but in.

In.

Al-bukhari volume 7 number 64 and 65. You have it repeated twice and basically the same words. We read this that the Prophet married her that's Aisha when she was six years old and He consummated his marriage when she was nine years old and then she remained with him for nine years.