February 10, 2021 Show with Dr. Phillip Kayser on “Biblical Romance: What Does the Bible Say About Finding a Spouse”

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I'm speaking of Dr. Philip Kaiser.

He is an author.

He is the pastor of Dominion Covenant Church of Omaha, Nebraska, and he is the founder of Biblical

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And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio to discuss

biblical romance, Phil Kaiser.

Thank you, Chris.

Since Valentine's Day is just around the corner four days from now, which is also just to give my

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because as long as I have been old enough to start dating when I was a

teenager and then, of course, when I was married for nearly 20 years, on my

birthday I always had to buy someone else a gift because it was Valentine's Day

as well.

You're too proud.

Yeah, well, I actually felt like I was being gypped every time because I had to shell out money on my own birthday.

But before we get into the discussion, which is actually a book that you have written, Biblical Romance,

What Does the Bible Say About Finding a Spouse, let's find out

more about Biblical Blueprints.

Praise God.

And if anybody wants to find out more information about Biblical Blueprints, go to biblicalblueprints

.org, biblicalblueprints .org.

Now let us know something about the Dominion Institute.

Yeah, Dominion Institute.

And if anybody wants more information about Dominion Institute, go to dominioninstitute .org,

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pastor.

And that is Dominion Covenant Church of Omaha, Nebraska.

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Well, this is a subject that I think

is a lot more important than people might see

on the surface.

They might think this is just a cute, nice little cozy subject to have since

Valentine's Day is around the corner.

But of course, those that have experienced, and perhaps still are

experiencing, the heartache of trying to find a spouse,

the heartache of having found a spouse that turned out to be a nightmare because the

person turned out to be perhaps a false convert, or even

if they continue to profess Christianity, perhaps they're extremely abusive or unfaithful.

There's all kinds of things that have brought people through great

trials in regard to this subject.

And also, when they didn't follow the biblical blueprint, to

use the name of one of your organizations, they wound up

courting, dating, getting married to people they had no business as a Christian

to be pursuing as a lifelong spouse.

But can I tell you, can I ask you, I should say, what was the initial

compelling reason that you had placed upon your heart, the burden that you had upon your heart,

to write this book to begin with?

There's a

reason

for

it,

sexual

involvement,

fornication,

but the very process of the kind of dating that they were engaged in almost guaranteed that they would

fall.

And on the other hand, people have overreacted in the opposite direction, and they don't want there to be

any romance or what God intended for to be a

really incredibly joyful time of learning all

of the different

directions.

So, dating

wars

and

protect.

Well, I'd like you to go into more detail of examples on

both ends of the spectrum of legalism and license when it comes

to this whole subject, because I find what you're saying very interesting.

I have had guests on this program who, in the past, who have

stood for very firmly an exclusive courtship understanding of pursuing a

spouse, and just to throw in my two cents, the thing that I have always

said in reservation or apprehension about that prohibition

of dating is that if you immediately

start pursuing or request the courtship relationship

with someone that you see at church or have been introduced to or et cetera,

I have told the folks that were promoting an exclusive courtship scenario

that, to me, it would seem that that would make people more tend

toward pursuing somebody that was physically attractive, very physically attractive,

because you're going by, initially, the appearance of somebody.

If you don't even know them, if you haven't had any chance to have dinner with them or anything yet, what else are you

basing this desire to begin courting them on?

But I don't know if I'm making sense there, but maybe I just put my foot in my mouth.

I don't know, but perhaps.

No,

no,

hey,

it

will

camp

out.

Well, when someone is beginning to do that, they see someone that they,

obviously, there is typically, if not the vast majority of time,

a physical attraction that one has towards the person of the opposite gender,

and what do you offer in your book and what suggestions or

counsel do you have to involve in this whole

process of even how to approach a person?

There is the old -fashioned way that is probably rarely done, but it's even

done, I have heard, on a number of occasions by people who aren't even believers,

but who, perhaps, they know the father of this woman who they'd like to

start dating and have such a high regard for this person and a high level of respect that they ask

permission first.

Would you mind if I asked your daughter out to dinner?

And, of course, for those who have the exclusive courtship view, they would phrase it differently, perhaps.

I have a very deep interest in courting your daughter to pursuing the

possibility of marriage.

Do you give your blessings on this, et cetera?

But tell us about your views on this and your counsel about any

ideas that are biblically sound, that give us liberty and

even guardrails on approaching someone to begin some kind of a relationship.

Yeah,

that's

not

going

to be

a good

thing.

We'll

say difficulty getting married.

From

what

you've

already

said,.

You believe there is liberty in a variety of

ways as long as one is not doing something that God would find offensive.

Tell us about what you mean by avoiding reductionism.

And we're going to be getting much more deeply into the contents of this book, Biblical

Romance.

What does the Bible say about running a spouse right after our first station break?

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Biblical Romance.

What does the Bible say about finding a spouse?

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Now you've used the word a number of times and the word appears in your book,

betrothal.

That is somewhat of an antiquated term and you go through three

different aspects of this.

Marriages without a time of discussion or betrothal, marriages with

betrothal alone, and marriages after a season of discussion and betrothal.

If you could go into more detail about what betrothal means and the differences between those two aspects

or approaches.

Yeah, I

mean

you

would

wonder

how.

Especially a woman would even want to consider marrying

a man, unless of course he's stunningly handsome and incredibly rich, if he never

says to her that he loves her or that she's beautiful or I mean that's just, that seems strange.

You

keep

a

chaperone

love

to

her, speaks comfort into her life.

Hosea 2 verse 15 gives gifts that's one of the languages of love is gift giving.

A door of hope, speak with her, they sing together.

In fact, they're so in love with each other it's almost like the whole world has turned upside

down.

They had 214.

So I see

betrothal as a god.

I mean there

can even be seven first

watch a woman.

Well, some people take that to the extreme and say, okay, well, we can't hold hands.

We can't have a, you know, a hand around the shoulder.

It should not.

But the literal rendering of that is to ignite a fire.

So

anything

that,

you

know.

That would be big in me.

As Groucho Marx used to say, big of you, it's big of me.

Anonymous listener who says, do you believe in marriage after

divorce?

My late wife was divorced before we were married and I

had at least one very close friend who refused to come to the wedding because of that.

What is your opinion on that?

Yeah, I

heard

an

excellent

book

being

recommended

to

people.

Who were struggling through that issue by John Murray.

Are you familiar with John Murray's book on divorce?

I believe it's just called Divorce, but he affirms what you were saying.

Yeah, I found it

both comical and tragic simultaneously.

Uh, when I say comical, I don't mean to undermine the pain that it caused the woman that I

know, but it was comically ridiculous.

The excuse that her husband gave for filing divorce.

He said, I am returning to my Roman Catholic religion.

So I want a divorce.

So that's, that's, that's really ridiculous.

That's, uh, like saying, uh, I'm buying stock in a pork

butcher shop because I've become a Muslim or something like that.

It doesn't make any sense as far as that

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Thanks for the question.

So I'm assuming then if you are interested in pursuing

a relationship with a person who has been divorced, you should find out

why, because as you were saying, even though you believe in a liberty to marry a

divorced person, there has to be a biblical reason why the divorce took place to begin with.

Yes,

because

of Arnie

in Perry

County,

Pennsylvania,.

And Arnie says, I have a friend whose daughter abandoned Christianity

and pursued a relationship with a man in a false religion and converted

to this false religion and married this man.

What counsel or advice should I give to the parent of this woman and

how to react, respond and involve himself in the life that she now

has with her new husband and this false religion?

There could be other complications in undermining your home,

undermining

a man called...

Oh, I've actually seen that book.

I've never read it, but I've seen it advertised in print.

It not

only gives the

kinds

of weird

messed

up situations

that are

out

there,

and that's why I recommend that people study all of these principles.

Already married to

three people, three

women.

How do you deal with that?

Because I know of reformed Christian pastors in Africa who would not

counsel the polygamist after becoming a Christian to abandon those other wives

and not to pursue anymore.

But how do you view that situation?

Right.

I'm thinking, well,

not be the husbands of others in that church.

I mean, must be the husband of one wife.

He said, exactly.

Ability to nurture, care for, sexually provide for all of his three, four wives.

He's going to be kept so busy, so tired.

He's never going to be tempted to marry another woman.

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What does the Bible say about finding a spouse?

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And as always, give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of

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involves a private and personal matter.

And let's see here.

We have another anonymous question

and the anonymous listener asks, I have heard from some that

since it was forbidden in the Old Testament to marry a woman that you've already divorced,

does that follow through to the new covenant?

As I have heard, some insist.

In other words, if you've divorced a woman, can you ever marry her again?

The

point

is

Roman

seven.

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We have yet another anonymous listener who says, I keep hearing from

very conservative and reformed pastors that the only two allowances

for a biblical divorce are adultery and abandonment.

But what about a spouse that has habitually beaten and treated with physical

violence?

What is the option for such a victim?

And

in a

way

that's,

so I interpret the

abuse

as a person who is getting no food,

not being provided for,

have been de facto abandoned.

And I'm to

confront him to give

to each other.

He will be excommunicated.

And at that point, he's not willing to live with you.

You are to be defined by the rest of the scripture.

Now, I'm assuming you mean that somebody who is medically and

physically capable of continuing intimacy.

In the marriage,.

Because obviously people become paraplegics and so on.

I'm sorry.

Yes, correct.

And that's a part of the for better or for worse vow that is often made in a marriage and in

sickness and in health.

Yes, I am always utterly amazed and in awe and humbled when

I witness and hear about these loving, adoring women

who remain married to their spouses.

Even very often, they're not Christians at all.

But if their husband has been wounded in battle in a serious way that would prohibit him or prevent

him from having marital relations or any number of things, it could be a police officer or a fireman

or any other person who's a victim of an accident.

Yeah.

To see that woman or man, but it's typically I'm seeing it involving a woman

in the media anyway, standing by him.

And that's just such a moving and touching and profoundly amazing thing.

Alpha man.

Yeah, that's another thing that you were mentioning.

Or should I say, not that you were mentioning, but that I was wondering about, because there are

Christians who might even agree with us theologically and doctrinally on many things, if not

most, who think that all those things are prohibited even from the marriage bed,

that it's only your standard sexual

penetration that is acceptable with the idea of the possibility of

conceiving a child and everything else is just totally wrong.

Yet another anonymous listener who says, I haven't heard anything yet

about internet dating or internet matchmaking.

I have tuned in late, so I don't know if I've missed something, but is this appropriate, as long as the

possible spouse you are pursuing is also a Christian?

Yes,

I

agreed

to

marry

you, but you're doing due diligence.

I've seen women really taken advantage of.

For example, my aunt, the one that was in the choir there and in the

church, she didn't speak English very well.

She came, thought that he was a Christian as soon as they got married.

I have heard of the exact same scenario.

A woman that I knew from a distance who was a member of my

brother's church when I was a teenager, but I knew her.

I met her at social gatherings.

She eventually got married.

She was dating, actually, she might have even been living with a man that was

not a believer before she was saved.

Then she left him because she became a Christian and she said she would never marry him

unless he became a Christian also.

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Yeah, yeah.

I wanted to make sure that there

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Yeah, I guess that would be a nightmare.

Now, here's another issue, since you actually brought up the involvement of parents.

I have even heard very conservative, reformed pastors say that a person

should never marry another person if the

parents of that person, or if your parents, totally object and refuse to give their blessing

to the union.

How do you feel about that?

I mean, and also compare the scenarios to having lost parents and saved parents.

Right.

Yeah,

and

you

could

have

a

parent,.

Or parents that have nothing...

Well, you already kind of mentioned it, or not even kind of, you did mention it.

They have sinful, selfish motives for prohibiting a child from being married, like being

taken care of, but having themselves taken care of by the child.

But there's also racism that could be a factor.

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son to marry a black person, if that family happens to be white.

And that is a total unbiblical, in fact, a sinful reason for prohibiting a

marriage, isn't it?

And I think we are breaking a record here for the most, the greatest number of

anonymous listeners asking questions, but I was sort of expecting it with a subject like

this.

We have an anonymous listener who wants to know, is it ever appropriate to enter into a marriage

where the woman is going to be the primary breadwinner and the husband is a

house dad raising the children at home?

You could even have just a situation where like Lydia, who was a seller of purple, I don't know what her husband did

for a living, and she might not have been a widow, I don't know.

But from what I understand, that's a very expensive commodity that

she was selling.

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Yeah, that's definitely true.

I know from my own experience, my late wife was much more capable of doing

multitasking.

I'm going to go to the final break and let me ask a follow -up question.

We were talking before about somebody who is able, unable to provide

sexual intimacy in the standard understanding of that because of a disability that

occurs after they're married.

What about people who get married where one of the people is quadriplegic or something?

But we'll have you answer that when we come back.

And if we have time for one or two listener questions, we'll take them.

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And if you have a question, send it in immediately because we're rapidly running out of time.

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Dr. Kaiser, is it appropriate and biblical and

within the liberty of a Christian to marry someone that you know beforehand is not capable of

providing sexual intimacy like somebody who is physically disabled?

What's

the

trajectory

to my

leadership?

Will she be the de facto leader because

she

has requirements?

Well, since we only have about four minutes left, I'd like you to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of

our listeners today regarding this subject.

Well, I would say...

How about eloping when you, especially if you have good, solid, loving Christian parents on

both sides of the marriage, is eloping where you just come back from a

vacation and you break the news to your entire family.

Guess what?

I'm married.

Is that okay?

How about you meet a person of the opposite sex, whether you are a

man who meets a woman or a woman who meets a man?

This person is not a believer.

And perhaps you meet them at work, wherever you meet them.

And you say, will you start visiting my church with me?

And I'd love for you to get to know what I believe.

And is that an acceptable way to pursue initially a possible spouse

when you're pursuing an unbeliever with the hopes that they get saved and you're inviting them to church?

Absolutely not.

People...

Then I've got another one for women.

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It's issues that

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in place so that you don't bring all kinds of baggage into the marriage.

And going back to something you were saying earlier about perhaps young men, especially learning the

art of romance, as it were, I have heard from so many Christian women, single women, who are

so frustrated by their brothers in Christ, who are totally socially inept

and incapable of doing anything that would make them look like

an attractive possible spouse.

And that's why they get very often lured or at least tempted into dating people that are not even

saved.

If you have any comments on how a young man can learn more about that.

Yes,

and I

think

they're

not preaching or at

least

beautiful

guidance.

Don't follow it.

It's only to our own hurt.

Well, when I repeat your websites, biblicalblueprints .org

is one.

And the dominioninstitute .org is

another.

And of course, the Dominion Covenant Church is dominioncovenantchurch .com.

That's for Dominion Covenant Church in Omaha, Nebraska.

Thank you so much for being such an excellent guest, Dr. Kaiser.

I look forward to your return very soon and very often.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.