Brian from Faith on Fire Attacks Susan Heck: She Responds

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Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Justin Peters. I hope that this finds you and your family doing well today

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I want to thank you so much for watching this podcast So this is a follow -up video to the video that I did a week or so ago

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When I was in Madagascar, so those of you who are not familiar haven't seen those videos

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I am going to put links down below in the description to the original video that I did last week but that was in response to a video that was posted by Brian who has a

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YouTube channel entitled faith on fire and He regularly attacks me, which is no big deal.

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I mean he goes after me He goes after John MacArthur goes after anything that even whiffs of Calvinism He hates the doctrine of election hates

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Calvinism, but at any rate no big deal. But what? What Garnered my ire in this and what made me finally response

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The video that I did last week was the very first time I have ever responded to Brian He's got many many attacks on me but this was the first one

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I ever responded to or have responded to and I did so only because of The things that he said about Susan heck

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I took serious Issues with what he said about Susan heck his attacks on her

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Undoubtedly, he will object To me referring to what he said about Susan as attacks, but there's no other way to describe them

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They were slanderous attacks at that and so if you have not seen the first video that I did last week link down below in the description and He undoubtedly in fact, he's already made the accusation against me that I took him out of context and you know selectively

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Edited the things that he said so to preempt any of those Accusations at the end of the interview that I'm about to show you with Susan I will play or rather post the entire video that he did that that Drew my response so you can see that for yourself.

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Nothing taken out of context Nothing edited the whole thing will be down there and I will also put timestamps down there below in the description so you can navigate this video a

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Little bit go to the most important part, which the most important part is the interview with Susan I wanted you to hear from her and in her own words and kind of helps to put a face

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You know kind of personalize this a little bit more. So I wanted you to hear from Susan Sweet sweet lady dear friend of Kathy and me.

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So, all right without any further delay. Here's the interview with Susan Susan thank you so much for taking time out of your busy day to join me and do this interview.

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How are you? I'm doing pretty well doing well. It's getting ready to snow here. I think in Oklahoma, but doing well

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Yeah, I saw that snowing here in Montana and Oklahoma as well. That's that's unusual. Yeah, it is

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Yeah But doing well, thanks. Good good so Susan the the subject of this video, there's been a bit of a dust up I guess you could say

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Between you and me and then Brian. I don't even know his last name, but Brian of the

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YouTube channel faith on fire and so I'll give a little bit of background information as to how

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I became aware of this and then and then I'll ask for your Your side of the story as they say, but I was in Madagascar I was preaching in Madagascar at a conference and someone sent me a link to this video that Brian did and the whole the whole video really that when you look at the thumbnail

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He's trying to pit me and Phil Johnson as having basically

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Gone off the John MacArthur reservation because we're speaking at a conference at which you will be speaking and He was inferring from that that you will be one of the plenary speakers and you'll be up behind the pulpit preaching to men and women boys and girls alike and and That goes against John MacArthur.

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So basically what he was doing with the thumbnail. He's trying to click bait I mean He's trying to portray it that Phil Johnson and I disagree with John MacArthur because we're speaking in a conference

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That you'll also be speaking at and so so I saw this One night as I was just a couple days before I left

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Madagascar. So right before I went to bed. I watched the video Downloaded it went to sleep got up the next day and then

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I did the video that I put together. So How How did were you made aware of this?

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Well, I was going about my duties last week and a lady I disciple in a another state sent me a text and She said

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I thought you should be aware of this So I didn't know what she was talking about. So I pushed the link and Began to watch it and honestly

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Justin I was so distraught Just in the first 5 -10 minutes

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I couldn't I couldn't watch it all because I thought it was so It was really just concerning to me

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And so I immediately said do you know how I can reach him? And so she was able to trace down his email.

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And so this is the email I sent him right away That was at 543. No, November 6.

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I said hello. This is Susan heck and someone sent me a YouTube You did I would kindly ask you to take it down Because I am

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NOT teaching women at the conference in Florida, I'm only doing breakout sessions for women I stand firm on my conviction.

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I would kindly ask you to not slander me You should check your facts out before you post them on a public forum.

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Thank you, Susan heck so that's all I sent at that time and He did finally respond.

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I have a series of emails back and forth And it was like he still didn't believe me for a while So I actually sent him a screenshot of my five sessions one says a woman's

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Sunday school class And they all say women breakout sessions Just again to prove that I wasn't teaching men

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My name's my my face is up there with you and Phil, but that doesn't mean I'm I'm teaching men so I I got right on it right away and Then throughout the day, honestly,

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I had several several other people sending me links saying hey Did you see this guy? He's slandering you on YouTube.

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So Yeah, I got quite a few people notify me that day the day it went up Yeah, right, right.

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So what? What did he say in response to you? Well, he sent me he wrote me back and he said that he

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He told me that he would before he could take it down that he wanted some answers to some questions and He wanted me to answer the questions

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I can read him to you. It was kind of strange. I didn't know why He said before I decided to take my video down per your request.

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I want these questions answered number one Will you be speaking inside the church sanctuary view of Baptist Church at this coming conference?

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Have you taught from the Bible to any audience inside a church this year in? 2022 have you taught women from the

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Bible as a speaker in a church in which men were present Do you agree with John MacArthur that women must be silent in the churches as a universal and absolute instruction from God per?

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first Corinthians 14 34 35 Do you believe another Christian woman could ever be qualified to do a woman's

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Bible teaching ministry in churches? To only women if her husband was not a pastor and do you sell books on the table?

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you want as a speaking requirement per your website when you speak at churches and He said considering your allegation against me and your request.

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I take down my video It is only reasonable that you answer each of these questions so I can make an informed decision about what to do next.

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Thanks Brian faith on fire So I did answer all of his questions.

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I I didn't answer the first Corinthians 14 because I well first the other one about the pastor's wife

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I didn't understand what he was asking me. So I asked him for clarification on that one and on the first Corinthians 14

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I just referred back to first Timothy 2 and I told him that I held to that view that men

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Women are not to usurp or teach or teach have authority over men and because of the created order

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Was one of the reasons and that it was you know For in and when the local assemblies gathered, so I answered his questions

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And then he wasn't I guess happy with all my answers. So then he came back with more questions.

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I Felt honestly like I was on trial and I Thought it was so strange because I was just kindly asking him to take down the video

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Because on the part I saw he was he was slandering me. It was a made -up lie

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That I teach men and everybody that knows me knows I don't babe. That's what's so ironic about it

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I know I kind of get in trouble for Not teaching men. I've received a lot of persecution for that and have stood my ground all these years

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Whereas other women I know have compromised on that issue Right, and so that's what was so ironic.

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You'd be like me saying right now. You're not wearing a plaid shirt and you're working That's about how silly it was, you know, yeah, so anyway

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Exactly. Well, I was Yeah, you shared those that correspondence with me and I was just struck

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For one thing one of one of his one of the options that he retained

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As to how to respond whether to take the video down or to edit it. He said or doing nothing at all

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So one of his options was to just to leave it up and do nothing. So This is not like and by the way part of his and I'll play this and I'll put this in the post edit, but one of his accusations against you and I I have no problem saying one of his attacks against you is

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That he takes issue with you selling your books In a church and he compares that to Jesus overturning the tables in the temple now

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You can't see it. Can you I can't even scroll down further. You're not gonna see this but on the bottom of this right here

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She has a mention about what her requirements are at church when she speaks there and she needs a table set up she's got a companion that comes with her and and runs the table where she has her books and She's requesting the church's give her an at least an eight foot long table

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So she can lay out her her books and resources now. It doesn't say right there that she sells them

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But I don't think it's likely she's bringing all these books and resources to give away for free

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But I don't know could be I could be wrong But I'm gonna assume she's selling them to make money and I sort of remember a story in the

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Bible where in the temple Jesus overturned the tables because people were trying to use it as a place to make money and I don't know.

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Is that being nitpicky or does it seem like maybe that's if that's what you're doing That may not be appropriate. I think John MacArthur put it this way the same as teaching for Sorted gain and in Titus 111.

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Yeah sorted gain. In other words another version calls it filthy lucre in other words

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You know, you're doing it for a monetary gain and he makes a big point that is recorded in all four

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Gospels and and Any any slyly and sarcastically said as you do it to make money and he even says

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Calls it filthy lucre so that is um that those two things the

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Egalitarian stuff, you know Supposedly teaching men and what he said about your motivations for selling your books and how you shouldn't be doing that and you know

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Theoretically if Jesus were here bodily today, he'd be overturning your book tables as well and mine,

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I suppose so that just really Got under my skin.

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I felt righteously indignant I felt I felt really badly for you because You're a widow.

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I mean Doug's Doug's no longer with us And so it

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I just I had to respond and I didn't tell you I was responding the first You know, I didn't know that you're

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I had no idea you were doing that And so I really didn't know what to do and he wouldn't cooperate with me so I just thought well, he's gonna do what he's gonna do and I feel bad for him and he seemed like he was

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Upset angry mad and I was trying in every one of my emails. I tried to be as gracious as I could with him and Yeah, it was it was just kind of shocking

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So, you know, but you know, I I do sell my books and you know

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Focus Publishing has invested a lot of time and and money into my Bible studies for women

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And so if they can be a blessing to the women, yeah Sometimes the tables, you know in the lobby sometimes, you know

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I mean, it's just and I'm like you sometimes I give them away. I don't make much at all on the books, but Even if I did make money on the books, it's hardly anything you could go buy a new car with Yeah, you have to be a

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New York Times bestseller to make money for that So I I don't know in the

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Christian world unless you're some big name Yeah, he making much filthy looper off your book, right yeah, you have any dreams of Making it big and being wealthy off of selling

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Christian books. Yeah, probably not quit your day job because that's not And I give a percentage of my book sale money to the lady who travels with me and things like that to try to help her she's also

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Without and she is single and so she's older than I am and so she's not a right kind of way to live, too

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So it's yeah, so and you know the to bring them we sail we save the ladies shipping charges and It's just a lot easier to do it that way then for them to order off the website nest, you know

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So there's a lot of reasons we do it, but yeah, I'm usually asked to do it, right? And what exactly and in what money you do make turn you it goes right back into your ministry

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Yeah, it helps me to live or whatever, but it's like I said, it's hardly anything Yeah, I don't make hardly anything on the books.

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So and to compare a Christian selling Christian resources that happens to be in a church because that's typically where most

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Christian conferences Occur is in a church Rather convenient, but that to compare that to What was going on in the temple with the money changers and all that that is

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I was gobsmacked at that comparison Just gobsmacked by so so I'll let you speak to it

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Susan. Is that a fair comparison that he made? No, I think that'd be like comparing that to the bringing the casino into the church

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I mean what was going on in Jesus's day was total is totally different than a speaker that's

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Teaching the scriptures to women or in your case to a mixed audience and you're bringing your books that further

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Help people in your in your situation with understanding the prosperity gospel and the danger of it in my

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Situation. I know only write expository studies for women that can help them further there and walk with Christ But I also write no counseling helps on marriage and a life -dominating sins and things like that So this is further helping the women in their growth in Christ and so it's it's a far comparison from the money changers in the temple and And so doesn't even equate

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No, doesn't even equal and they were doing the exact opposite of trying to yes help people in their

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Relationship. Yes, they were doing the opposite. Yes Yes So that would be yeah,

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I know I think you know if we wanted to get nitpicky, which I wouldn't but what about churches? That have coffee bars and sell for no cup of coffee.

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Should we overthrow those tables? Um, there's a lot of churches that do not that now you walk in and there's a they have a brew a brewery not a

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Brewery, but you know brewing coffee not well some churches. I'm sure to my Now what would

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Jesus brew? I mean, there is some of those too I've seen that but I'm talking coffee bars and I've seen some or you they want you to pay

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So should we oh should we you know, we're gonna that makes no sense to me

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No, no, and and he seems to be hung up that it's in the church, you know as if the the physical structure is

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Is the deciding factor here in the same way by the way with the argument that he makes About women speaking in a church, you know cause let me pull it up.

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So one of the questions Have you have you talked from the Bible to any audience inside a church sanctuary this year?

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I mean first thing I Agree I take issue like he's he's he's grilling you, you know, he's

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Answer his question like he's somehow entitled and you know putting you on trial which

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I take Severe issue with with that, but you know Justin This is the issue

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I've taken up with so many others who have attacked in the past is What happened to that verse the servant of the

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Lord must not strive but be gentle And so when someone confronts me or you or anyone what happened to humility and gentleness

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And if he's really concerned that I'm stepping out of line Where's the humility and the love and the concern for me?

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He thinks I'm out of line instead. I I felt like I was on trial. I haven't done anything

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Right follow my convictions and what I believe the the Holy Scriptures teach

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Right, so yeah Yeah, and I said it is only reasonable that you answer each of these questions

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So I can make an informed decision about what to do next. It's only reasonable. I mean that was a threat

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Yeah Interrupt here just for a moment after the recording was finished Kathy my wife and Susan were talking

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Okay, and Susan was filling Kathy in on all the showing her the correspondence and Kathy's observation was this was like an interrogation

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Brian was interrogating her and I thought that that's really the the word I was looking for and couldn't find it that my that Kathy Found so it's a good way to put it.

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He was interrogating her I mean, there's nothing gracious about you know in a court of law if this was done and I'm you know

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Paul's very clear. You don't take your brother to court But but you know and if this isn't was in the secular world what he has done in the secular world

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Somebody could sue him for that because that was outright slander. I wouldn't do it and I don't want to do it.

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I want him to Repent and ask for forgiveness, which he hasn't but right

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I'm not gonna hold a grudge against him But it's concerning for him for his sake and for his soul because if we don't show mercy

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We'll should be shown no mercy Jesus says when you stand praying you forgive and I I mean,

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I don't I'm not bitter towards him anything But I just think it's odd that there's no humility there It's lacking and no, there's no upon.

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I want to make sure people understand that he has not apologized to you for anything, correct?

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No, he has not Right. No nothing. I have all my I have all the emails right here in front of me

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There's no apology and and that's okay. I'm just thankful. He took it down I mean the damage has been done but most most people that know me know that that is none of that's true.

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So yeah Okay accusing you of all people of of Preaching to me and or teaching me like accusing me of teaching prosperity theology.

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I mean, it's You know, it's about it's about that crazy, I guess but you know, he didn't know me I don't

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I don't even know how he I guess he came upon the brochure that had our faces on it So I imagine up till that time he didn't know who the heck

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I was if I could use my name in vain Use your name He probably didn't know who

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I was Yeah, and he just saw my name on there know that you and Phil and John MacArthur hold you a very tight view of of women

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Preaching to men and but saw me on there. So thought you we were all being hypocrites

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And so rather than check it out first He just goes ahead and makes this video makes these false accusations because it's clickbait for him

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You know if he can get people to think that Phil Johnson and I have turned against John MacArthur, you know

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With a scandal and so it's quick. So he wasn't interested in truth he just wanted to get the video out so he can get more views and And Susan as as of two days ago.

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He and I had an exchange a few exchanges in the comment section of My video and he says this and I quote

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Lastly, I sure hope you can come up with a better excuse for selling books and churches besides They don't produce themselves lol,

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I think there's a good reason that the story of Jesus driving out all those who sold and bought in the temple is in all for Gospel, so as of two days ago

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He is standing by his accusation that you are in sin for selling your books and at a church

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So there is there is no humility there is certainly no apology

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You know, and I'm well, I think he misrepresented me too on the first Corinthians 14 thing as well

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Because I did come back and asked me about that Yeah, and yeah, and he seems hung up that You know that it's inside a church, you know, because women in fact,

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I'll just read it. This is 1st Corinthians 14 34 through 35 The women are to keep silent in the churches for they are not permitted to speak but are to subject themselves

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Just as the law also says But if they desire to learn anything let them ask their own husbands at home for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church now in fairness to Brian he is

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Egalitarian he is fully on board with women preachers women pastors.

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He has no problem with that he's done many videos trying to argue for that poorly, but trying to so so he's

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It's not that he would have a problem theoretically with you Speaking in front of men and women he'd be perfectly fine with that But he's trying to point out that we are supposedly acting hypocritically because that's not a theology

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And him asking you have you ever taught from the Bible to any audience inside a church sanctuary, you know

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I would have no problem Susan if you were teaching in a church sanctuary if Everyone in the audience was a female

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I don't care if it's in the in the sanctuary or in the conference room or in the you know, whatever that the the structure is not the issue the issue is whether or not you're talking about a

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Corporate gathering men and women who have gathered together for the purpose of worship. That's the issue, correct?

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Exactly and on the first Corinthians 14. I he did ask me about that and Because I didn't answer that question.

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I took the first Timothy passage the first time first series of questions So he came back and said you never answered my question about first Corinthians 14

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And I did answer him and I said I hold of that same as I would do first Timothy 2

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I said in the in the New Testament church People popped up all the time one had a psalm one had a prophecy one had this and everything was out of order

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That's why Paul says let everything be done Decently and in order they were they were out of order and so I said women are to remain not mute not silent but calm and They're to ask their husbands at home and they're to the same idea first Timothy where it doesn't mean we wear duct tape on our mouth at church and So I'm not

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I'm not violating I'm not being a hypocrite I I hold the first Timothy first Timothy chapter one or two and and first Corinthians 14 is the same

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Women are not to be Challenging the the preacher. In fact, I know when my husband was alive and he would do

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Q &A's On church in church, he would you know women would ask questions But a couple times he said he felt a couple times women were combative with him

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And he said, you know, that really would be a violation of first Corinthians 14 For the woman so it's fine that she asked a question but if she's starting to challenge the the speaker in a public forum like that in the sanctuary, that's really

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He said he was a little bit troubled by that a couple times But yeah women are to be respected just like men are we're to be respectful in the church and we're not to be yelling out screaming out and standing up and challenging the pastor and yeah, and There are lots of places for women to serve in the body and we should be using our spiritual gifts or else the body won't function

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Exactly if it's a male dominated where men are doing everything and women do nothing

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So I never told him it was silent mute duct tape anything like that.

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So I don't know right you know and and Titus 2 older women teaching the younger women that's what you've devoted your entire life to Pretty much.

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Yeah absolutely, and um And that that role of Titus 2 what you're doing you can do that and do do that in your home

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Um, and you can and you do it in a church. Um, yep Today i've already had four or five appointments.

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I've counseled today. I've discipled several women I've got one another lady come over tonight for dinner and discipleship

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That's my life, especially now that doug's gone Unmarried woman cares for the lord how she can please the lord.

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So I I that's what I do And I I enjoy it. I love it. It's it's a delight and I wish there were many older women

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You know that gave their lives to that we need we need to be setting a godly example And i'm commanded to teach good things and I don't know anything better than the scriptures

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So And i've given my life since since I became a believer to studying the bible and I had a great a great husband who knew his bible and new theology and was a great uh

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Encourager of what I do. He really was a big supporter and he really pushed me to do this

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He said, you know susan. There's not a lot of women expositors And uh, you need to train up some women that will teach the bible to women, right?

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Um, so he he really was a big encourager for me. So yeah yeah, and I can amen that because firsthand i've seen that kathy and I both have seen that with with doug and And um, you know,

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I tell people women can have the gift of teaching. I have no problem. You have the gift of teaching

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And you're to use that gift in the church as long as you're teaching other women

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Yeah, not more children or your own kids or Or women one -on -one in your home.

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Um, you know, there's lots of opportunities for women to teach But not in the sanctuary over a man

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Yes, it could be in the sanctuary as long as there's nothing but women in this. Yeah Yeah situation

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Whether it's in the in the physical structure of the building or out, you know under an oak tree

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I mean that the The location's not the issue the audience and Whether or not that's corporate gathering is the issue so um, so since you mentioned doug and uh

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You didn't know I was going to ask you this question, but just kind of what? Um What do you think?

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Doug's reaction would have been Were he still here with us and and he saw this video?

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What how do you think he would have responded? um, he probably would have uh,

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I probably would have gotten the email. He probably he could have found the Fellow's phone number somehow.

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He probably that's that was doug's Mantra, he would rather do face -to -face or a phone call over email or text.

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That wasn't his thing So he probably would have tried to find the fellow's phone number and call him and he would have said, you know you're slandering my wife and I'm asking you now to take that down or i'm gonna have to you know, call your pastors.

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He would have doug would have Uh got it by the tail Yeah, so he he he would have defended me and he would have done something as much as he could but um

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Yeah, he would have done something Yeah, he wouldn't have let it go. No, he wouldn't let it go

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So but I didn't I didn't know quite what to do So I did I handled it as I could and I thought well if this guy doesn't let it go

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I'll probably need to talk to my son or my son -in -law and see what should be my next step. So Yeah, or the elders in my church.

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So Well, i'm kind of glad in god's providence that I was where I was when when

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I found this madagascar and so you know, I just kind of Did it took it took it up on myself because I know doug doug is no longer here with us.

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Yeah Well, thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate it a lot Unfortunate is necessary.

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Um, you know, I That even to this day susan He has not offered you an apology and that speaks volumes and it makes me very concerned for the state of his soul yeah, it makes me concerned too because Certainly if I sin against somebody

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I want to seek forgiveness and do it as false as I I I endeavor to keep short accounts with god and men that should be our mantra in our christian walk

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If I offend you I need to take care of it as soon as possible If I offend the lord, I need to take care of it as soon as possible

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And have a clear conscience before god and others. So it is concerning and um

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I'm concerned for him in that so But i'm not bitter i'm not angry, right?

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You know, this has kind of become uh, i've kind of been up a You know the last couple decades the more

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I I speak for what is right the more you you know, you get slandered and Persecuted and that's okay.

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I've had women grab me i've had women want to beat me up. Um for speaking truth and So I have people that have slandered me lied about me and I try to take care of it as much as I can but if they don't want to Reconcile there's not a lot you can do as much as it depends on you live peaceably with all men

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So I try to be very peaceable with him. I try to be very gracious and so Right Well, you've handled it.

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Well, susan. Thank you. Thank you. Well, thank you. Justin Okay, dear ones.

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Well, I hope that that was helpful for you and uh kind of personalizes this a bit more i'm glad that Grateful to susan for doing the interview and uh, thank you for watching

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And speaking of watching brian, I know you are it is one thing to go after me help yourself you've done that many times

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Before I have no doubt you will do it again. So whatever floats your boat but to go after a woman

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And not only that but a widow Who has devoted her entire life to faithfully teaching other women the word of god and Susan is a dear friend of kathy and me both and I can tell you there's not one ounce of Greed in her.

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She is She is an exemplary woman. So, uh Shame on you said it before I'll say it again shame on you for doing so and shame on you for Not apologizing to susan as of this recording to this day

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Not one hint Not one syllable of apology on your part

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To susan and that speaks volumes And it's not good Okay.

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All right, dear ones. So as I promised in the introduction here is brian's full

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Uh video initial video that he put up that by the way would be up to this very day

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Had susan not contacted him. It would still be up. He didn't take it down because he He rethought it, you know, man, that's that's probably not a good

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Look on my part. I shouldn't have done that. No it had susan not contacted him. It would still be up on his channel

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So there's nothing altruistic about him taking his video down at all So anyway, here it is

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Welcome back everyone. This is brian with faith on fire. And today we're going to talk about the About justin peters really and an upcoming conference and we're going to see a quick clip from John, macarthur about women preachers and we're going to talk a little about susan heck pictured here and This is really encouraging, you know you probably used to be coming out and maybe being a little critical of justin peters for a thing or two calvinism and works -based salvation and various other things his um

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His treatment and gossip with casey butler seen here about another orlando church

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I'm not here to really talk about any of that. I'm actually here to be encouraged by clearly A position about women preachers that justin's holding that's a little closer to the way

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I feel about it and so In this upcoming conference that i've noticed here.

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It's because it's in you know where I live in orlando This is going to be winter garden florida in particular now last year justin peters did a conference here with senior pastor

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Casey butler he spoke to his church at as you can see here bula baptist church in the orlando area

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It's a very small reformed baptist church in the area. I've been by i've never been in it, but i've i've been by it and it's

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It's quaint and I like small churches bigger than better than big mega churches, but So that's all good.

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But i'm obviously no fan of calvinism And that's what these guys stand for. So That's a problem, but i'm not here to talk about that either.

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So justin peters. I thought was outspoken against women preachers Uh, just like john mccarthur and here's phil johnson co -host with justin peters and susan heck

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Who's going to be preaching in a church as you can see her to a family integrated integrated gathering in the church?

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So she's going to be preaching to a mixed audience of children men women everybody And I could have sworn that john mccarthur prohibited that I'm also going to show you an interesting comment from five months ago that justin peters left on my channel

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And I didn't notice it at first because he was not talking to me He was he was having a conversation back and forth with someone else

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But it was on my channel on one of my videos and I finally I saw it. I was whoa I was really surprised at what justin peters wrote about women preachers.

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I'm going to show you on screen That quote from him and we'll talk a little bit about it.

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We're going to talk about susan heck. But first I I do find Maybe it's not a surprise with justin peters to come around but phil johnson john mccarthur's right hand man

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Do you remember in 2019? that John mccarthur did a video a sermon that is a grace community church called does

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The bible permit a woman to preach and he spent an hour -long sermon Go through all this scripture to make the case that absolutely not

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When it comes to the church in the bible, that's where he starts the sermon and right out of the gate He's talking about first corinthians 14 34 and 35 about how women are to remain silent in churches.

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They're not permitted to speak And 35 it's not only says it's a disgrace if they're if they speak in the church

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But 34 and 35 or it's first 35 that says that if they have a question They should ask their husbands at home.

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Not even in the church Be silent in church ask ask at home And then it follows up that with once again it you know, if a woman speaks in a church, it's a disgrace so john mccarthur

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That's what he started with and so here's here's just a really brief clip of that from john mccarthur

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What we read then in verse 35 is it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church

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It is shameful That is a recognized judgment on all such behavior

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The same as teaching for sordid gain and in titus 1 11 disgraceful shameful gain it's sort of like False prophets doing what they do for money

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And this unmistakable divine law and command is so absolute That we go back to verse 34

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And the section actually begins as you will note if you have an esv as in all the churches of the saints

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The women are to keep silent in the churches there you go, so Here we have phil johnson john mccarthur's right hand man and ministry partner with a woman.

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He'll be preaching in a church That I find that sounds a little hypocritical to me family integrated now she's billed as a

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Woman's bible teacher but let's face facts if you're teaching the bible in a church And it's in front of everyone that would be there at a regular church service the whole family.

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I mean, I don't know how you And there's worship going on because there's worship service integrated with the conference

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And that's what they're saying is going to happen three days in a row and each of these three speakers Now these people pictured here are just part of bula baptist church

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But these are the hosts three hosts of the conference. These are the three main speakers phil johnson

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Justin peter susan heck. So let me show you a little bit about susan heck in terms of bible teaching And we'll get to justin peter's comment afterwards

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Here we go. Here's susan heck's speaking schedule for 2022 23 24.

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We're not going to look at those We're just going to look at this year because I have it up handy First baptist church in oklahoma heritage baptist church, new york west macomb baptist church, missouri

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Then there's another church in kentucky a church in iowa church in cholera You get the get the impression this woman's preaching in the church

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Now just like the bula baptist church one, which if we can scroll down you can see this woman gets around She preaches at a lot of churches

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And i'm sure a lot of them are mixed audience teaching preaching to men

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Susan is able to speak on many scriptures and topics now

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Oh, you can't see it. Can you I can't even scroll down further? You're not going to see this but on the bottom of this right here

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She has a mention about you know, what her requirements are at church When she speaks there and she needs a table set up she's got a companion that comes with her and And runs the table where she has her books

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And she's requesting the churches give her at least an eight foot long table So she can lay out her her books and resources now.

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It doesn't say right there that she sells them But I don't think it's likely she's bringing all these books and resources to give away for free

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But I don't know could be I could be wrong but i'm going to assume she's selling them to make money

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And I sort of remember a story in the bible where in the temple jesus overturned the tables

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Because people were trying to use it as a place to make money and I don't know.

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Is that being nitpicky or does it seem like maybe that's if that's what she's doing that may not be appropriate I think john macarthur put it this way the same as teaching for Sorted gain and in titus 111

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Yeah, sorted gain. Uh, in other words another version calls it filthy lucre in other words

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You know, you're doing it for monetary gain and so with that, let's let's jump back and let's now go over to the um,

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The the comment from justin peters All right, so i'll put that on the screen for you to read with me now

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He's on my channel in one of my videos, but he's not commenting to me. He's commenting to this guy named scott

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He says scott. I simply do not have the time to answer all your questions I do however have a detailed doctrinal statement on my website

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Women are biblically prohibited from being pastors and elders They are not prohibited to teach men in a corporate gathering of believers

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They can witness or teach a man in private settings per akilla and priscilla, but not when the church is gathered for corporate worship

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Well bula baptist church is going to have corporate worship and it's a corporate i'm not really sure what the difference is he's making between church has gathered for corporate worship versus When there's men

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In a corporate gathering of believers and women being able to teach them. Do you think that justin maybe?

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Made a typo and didn't mean to write they are not prohibited to teach men in a corporate gathering of believers But meant to write they are prohibited to teach men in a corporate gathering of believers

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But they can but they can witness or teach a man in private In a private setting per akilla and priscilla if you think of acts 18

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There is apollos who was preaching the baptism of john the baptist In the synagogues and priscilla and akilla husband and wife had seen that called him aside and they

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Taught him in a private setting both of them giving credit for this not just the husband

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Priscilla and akilla taught him the true gospel of jesus christ With wonderful effects after that because it says right after he went out and he won many jews to christ

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So that was the fruit being born by the teaching of the gospel to apollos wonderful thing now when

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I look at this Thing here where he says they are not prohibited to teach men in a corporate gathering of believers I can only assume that that's not a typo that he really means that and matter of fact that he

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But he does not mean this part, but not when the church is gathered for corporate worship I'm thinking that's the mistake he made and in fact, he does believe that it's okay for women to teach in a corporate setting

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Because after all if we go back to this That's what's going to be happening there. There's going to be a corporate gathering of believers where there's men present

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They say that there's going to be worship and the and the teachings in the conference, so If this is happening

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December 10 through 12 and you know doors open at 10 And then uh sunday is the 11th there's you know, it's not like this is during the week this is right

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This is sunday sunday 9 a .m. This is part of the sunday service now this conference

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Sunday, the 11th doors open at 9 a .m. 9 30 a .m to 12 30 p .m And then monday goes again. So it's a saturday sunday and monday event

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And if you're in the irland not to not to promote a bunch of calvinists here But you know if you're in the irlando area and you want to see justin peters at this thing uh, and uh

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You know, but you know, let them know because you know, it's it's not a big place, you know There may be a standing room only

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It's pretty small. I would think that phil johnson and justin peters and susan heck are going to draw quite a few people

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So once again, uh, should I go? You think I should go to the event? It's free How do you think justin would feel about that if I showed up or casey butler you think

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I might make him a little bit Uncomfortable since i've been very outspoken against their treatment and gospel of another local orlando church

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Yeah, yeah, so justin peters has been kicked out of uh, at least one word of faith conference that i'm aware of that He talked about on his channel and that's kind of interesting and unfortunate.

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I'm sure he was there respectful If I showed up to this thing and was quiet and respectful you think they would ask me to leave?

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Who knows? But justin if you're watching, I won't make you uncomfortable. Don't worry. I'm not coming. I don't want to listen

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To what you guys have to say about calvinism Or your your version of exposing worldliness in the church and calling out christians to stand on sound doctrine

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Calvinism doesn't have any sound doctrine It's all unbiblical the doctrines of grace and it should be the doctrines of disgrace

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There's no grace in the doctrines of grace if anyone has wondered about that with calvinism It's there's only grace offered irresistibly not even by choice to the elect and the elect only in their philosophy

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There's no grace in that. There's no free gift in that. It's it's forced upon the elect By god in their weird systematic religion

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And the goodness of the gospel the true goodness of the gospel is where you find the grace You find the mercy the loving the kindness the forgiveness

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Of a merciful god, that's the grace the real grace the true gospel of jesus christ calvinism

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They distort who jesus is they belittle him and who he was and who he came to save and who he loves And that changes the gospel fundamentally, so they don't teach the real gospel with the false gospel

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And that's where i'm standing on that, but i'm at least encouraged to know that we're making some progress here

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Justin peters is perfectly fine with a woman preaching in a church. Hallelujah That's at least a good step in the right direction.

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All right Thanks for watching everyone and may the peace and love of jesus christ be with you now and forever. Amen. Bye. Bye So there you go