Eli Ayala & Jonathan Pritchett Talk Weight Loss, Theology, and Apologetics (Excellent Discussion)

All right, welcome back to another episode of Revealed Apologetics. I'm your host Elias Ayala and today I say this all the time when I have a guest I have a very special guest and I like to call them special guests because I don't want them to feel as though I Don't think they are special.

So they are special. I don't get some generic phone heads on here. We got some good quality Here and so I want to let people know that That it is great to have our guests when we have them and today it is a pleasure for me to introduce folks to dr Jonathan Pritchett from Trinity Radio and what's the seminary that you work at Trinity College of the Bible and Theological Seminary?

Trinity College of the Bible and Theological Seminary. It's a mouthful. It is a mouthful. It kind of comes awkward off off the tongue now um some who might be listening to this episode might be familiar with you already and People would probably wonder what is a good old Calvinist like Eli Allah having a grimy Jonathan Pritchett anti Calvinist.

Here's the thing I I am completely convinced and I'm sure that you would agree that it is quite possible for Calvinist and non-Calvinist to get along and actually benefit from one another go figure. Well, that was my life experience until I discovered social media to be honest with you.

Calvinists, Non-Calvinists, and Presuppositionalism

Yeah. Yeah, I was a member of a Baptist Church that was London Baptist Confession 1689 the pastor was a was the son of my pastor for a while and then he became a pastor and got his own church down the road went with him and was a member there for about seven years and It was never he knew that I had moved away from Calvinism.

He didn't he asked me to preach. I was the outreach coordinator is remount Baptist Church North Little Rock, you know I mean we've grew up in the same church with his dad as our pastor, but it was this was never a thing about like The contentiousness until I discovered the internet and then I started reading Older literature and it's pretty contagious in the literature as well.

But you know, it's just It was never a part of my experience in the local church. Where of course it was a Southern Baptist Church and you know Southern Baptists. You get all kinds of different views in the same church.

So. But yeah, it's never been a thing until I discovered the internet, but I I do not consider myself to be anti right Calvinism. I will say that there are Calvinists that I am anti Calvinist. But I could say that about these are and you know certain Armenians out there or he's trad from whatever Originalists that they're Southern Baptist folks late and flowers crowds calling themselves these days.

Some of those people are just outright the worst people on the planet. No, and he knows I I say that well his forums gotten cleaned up. I got to give Some props to them for trying to clean up that but you would think that you hear all this stuff about caged-stage Calvinism, but if you go to certain forums on the internet where this just well if you're a Calvinist.

You're a heretic and find the flames for all eternity. I'm like Wait a minute. No, there's only like the most extreme Calvinists out there say that about everybody. But right, why are you saying this?

You're as bad as some of those guys. Yeah, and I and I've heard you say in in certain context and I think this is important. Is that in regards to apologetic methodology? You're not anti presuppositional ism, but you are Anti presuppositional list in regards to specific boneheads who are jerks when presenting the method, right?

Yes. But I will say there are a lot of good ones. Like I mean, I love John frame. How can you not like John frame? I mean you have to hate Santa Claus did not like John frame. You know, he's one of the greatest people on the planet, you know, it has a heart for evangelism, which I appreciate and you know Scott all offense a great guy and You and JD Martin out there a lot of the younger presuppositional is are out there doing it in a very cordial way.

But there are a few and I don't need to name names people could probably imagine who I think they are that I I think do a disservice to presuppositional ism because while Methodologically you and I might disagree that presuppositional ism is necessarily connected to reform theology.

Sure, I think that I don't think that that's necessarily the case but we can differ on that but still as a method in action when you're talking to people and you use transcendental arguments and you're exposing the borrowed capital for the affirmations that they want to make that it's dependent actually upon our worldview and Various things like that are very useful.

So I know that a lot of non Calvinists, especially the apologist crowd they get heartburned and just You know seethe about presuppositional and I was like don't cut yourself. Well, first off I Tell people if you've not even read a book by presuppositionalists, don't say a word about it.

But yeah, I Enjoy seeing it in action a really good debate. I think he's really I think Jeff Durbin is really good at it and there was a debate that he teamed up with James White against a couple of scientists guys.

Yes, see I thought that my debate with Leighton against the Sonny Hernandez and Theodore Zachariadis. Or I thought that was the Zachariadis. Yeah, I thought that was the biggest Wow Debate like that really happened, but I think that their debate trumped ours.

Well the battery acid you don't usually you don't usually have people bring battery acid on a platform academic setting. That's. They took the crown. So now we don't have the most entertaining. It's still it's still up there though.

Yeah. It's pretty wild. But yeah, I love the with the indoors Wow with the echoed Wow. All right, and it's one of my favorite parts of of the opening of the Trinity radio podcast. Yeah, that's an interesting debate because I was actually Layton flowers second choice.

Or And so I got roped in as I've done one debate against Calvinism and now everyone thinks ah he and I'm like, well, no, I I like Calvin's writings and I like reading it. You can see behind me I've got tons of reformed theology on my shelf.

I don't I Anything under the umbrella of orthodoxy is cool with me there's so many there's there's real heresy to deal with and then there's a secular culture and an Unbelieving culture to deal with and that's that's what our focus is.

That's right. That's right. And and that's what I appreciate about you. And I think I think sometimes When when you're sitting next to someone like Braxton, you guys have a very interesting and dynamic Chemistry with one another where he kind of is the the soft cuddly sort of guy and and you can come off sometimes a little more rough around the edges, but a lot of people don't realize that.

And I can say this because I've listened to you guys for a long time. You are quite a reasonable and nice guy. It's just that you you do not tolerate Man babies, and I appreciate that. Yeah. That's the thing.

But but I but here's the downside of that. Sometimes if you go too far you can become the thing that you don't like that's right and so if that's kind of just one of those things that I pray about that I don't ever Cross those lines because I I really am a try to try to be friends with everybody.

But I I don't stomach nonsense and sometimes I hear just nonsense, especially from some of these atheists who are attacking the faith. But sometimes I hear from theological opponents with whom I disagree and sometimes I hear it from theological Allies with whom I do agree.

I'm just like you can't. That's the terrible right, you know, it's always so is everybody. It's one of the things that I learned from Braxton actually he said, okay. This is not really my manner, but always arrived arrives to the vitriol of your opponent, but never go past it.

You know, sometimes it's called for you got to smack somebody around. So. But yeah there's a lot of things that get ended up on the cutting room floor of a Trinity radio episode that maybe we should release to patrons as You know just little prime isms or whatever.

But yeah, I but I don't I don't have it out for anybody. But except for a very I have a very short list and you know. You can go join our Facebook forum to see who I've been out for. But other than that, it's it has and a lot of it has to do with their public behavior.

Very little of it has to do with the all right right now. Now let last point so we don't spend so much time just being nice to one another in terms of like yay. Let's hold hands and and you know be on the same team.

I think. Especially my Calvinist audience who are very very very Hardcore reform theology is the way to go and I'm and I'm that way too. I believe I'm I'm reformed. Oh. You're kidding get a surprise surprise however, building bridges between differing perspective is perspectives is not the same thing as Compromising on your convictions.

I could hold strong to my positions and still build bridges of communication and benefit. From learning from people who don't agree with me. We don't want to become an echo chamber just talking about you know.

Talking to people that agree with us. It's good to see something from a different perspective and and have this kind of iron sharpens iron relationship. So well, yeah, and that that goes beyond just I mean I think that should in principle extend to worship as well because I have worshipped in and and now I that doesn't work for every church, but sure but but if you're at a if you're at a Ministry event for example or a church that's really more ecumenical as far as like within Orthodoxy or whatever it's fine, but like at a ministry like I'm going to together for the gospel conference and I'm gonna sing the songs and listen to the the the Presentations right along with my reformed brothers and sisters and it's no big deal.

Yeah. Hopefully I'll benefit and maybe so, you know, so say hey, there's that one guy and they want to come talk to me about it. Well, you know we could have a conversation if they want to be civil which most people in person really are right, you know.

Yeah, well great great points, well, well, let's move on to our main our main topic and we really wanted to talk about this issue of physical and spiritual health and For those who listen to my podcast and and my youtube channel say well we want to hear some apologetic stuff well, we can make some apologetic application as well because I think this issue of physical and spiritual health has kind of Tentacles that reaches into those other categories there's there is something to being physically healthy and Spiritually healthy and how that plays out in the manner in which we live our lives defend the faith and whatever.

So I think these are kind of Holistically related so hopefully we'll get to there. So let's start actually with physical health now I have again as I said before I've listened to your stuff for a while now and I'm kind of joking around here I don't mean to insult you but back in the day You used to be fat.

I remember. Okay, you know. And then all of a sudden I see, you know as as your videos are coming out he's slimming down. I'm checking to see if my computer settings are correct. You know, is he using a filter or something like that?

And as you were getting skinnier? Braxton was filling in. I don't know if you guys are doing kind of this. Yeah. Yes, it's happy I was fat, but he's merely filling in I get it. That's right. That's right.

So on a serious note though why don't you tell people a little bit about your weight loss journey and include in there some of the The issues of just really disciplining yourself to reach that goal. What were some of the things that you did to reach that goal?

And maybe you can lay that out for us. Okay? Well it for the Up until last year this it all started probably I had just you pack on weight and you don't really notice it. See I've set in it. I sit in this room 10 Sometimes 12 hours a day on bad days sometimes less but you know when you're in a room like this and At a job that's pretty stationary and you do a lot of reading it's easy to grab Potato chips and stuff your face with it, right?

It's It's obvious looking at me right now that I I can't tell people that. Oh, yeah, I'm big-boned or whatever. You know, I just steadily increased weight over the years and it got to the point where?

You know, I'm only five eight, but I weigh 220 pounds and so and I'm not I have a small frame so it's not I you know, it wasn't a matter of Anything other than gluttony and sloth. Being lazy doesn't mean you don't get up and go to work and do a good job at your profession and all of that stuff.

There's other ways to be lazy in life, you know. But if you sit it if you if you have a job where you're not very active or you even if you do but you go home and you overeat and you Just lay around on the couch play video games all day or play games with your kids or whatever and you don't even Set an example for them or whatever your life is like over the years you just pack on a ton of weight and there's and and I want I want to be Absolutely clear about this up front.

I Do not think that it is sinful to be fat or even obese like I was. I don't think it's sinful to be obese. However, I Think it is there are several factors of your lifestyle that led to you becoming obese.

That are simple and it usually comes down to laziness and gluttony and it's amazing that I started having health problems and I was actually going to The emergency room and seeing a doctor and had heart issues everything else because I and it was all preventable, you know.

But I my health started failing and it wasn't until actually Braxton hunters father who called me out on it. He said Jonathan you have been here for a few years and you've gotten fat. Like the way like you said you've gotten that you need to do something about this and you know.

He wasn't trying to be rude. Sure. I mean, you know, but he is direct, you know, and and he did call me out on it. But what was interesting to me about that other than the fact that I knew he was right and I've got a great wife who?

Yes, she loved me the way that I was but I mean she prefers this trust me. But but she she loved me the way that I was and oh, I thought you were handsome when you were heavier. Blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah.

So she's too nice to call me out on it. But yeah, so even my own wife wouldn't call me out of it but He called me out on it and he's the only Christian I know that ever did. And that got me to thinking.

And that was really the most I I think I needed to be called out for it is what actually motivated me to start thinking about doing something about my health and so. Back in April, I weighed about 220 pounds of April of last year and and so I decided I Haven't having health problems.

My best friend's father's calling me fatty. So that's what began it for me and I decided that well Check it to do it. It's hard work to readjust your life. Doing the things that it takes to do to lose weight is not hard.

But changing your life to do it is what's hard, right? So it's not hard for me to grab a carrot stick instead of a potato chip and stick it in my mouth. It's the same range of motion. It's not hard for me to get in my car and go to the gym.

I get in my car and go to lots of places like McDonald's or whatever. You know, I mean doing these kinds of things is not hard but the getting yourself to make a lifestyle change. That's the hard thing.

But everything else is not as now in the gym when you're lifting heavy weights and you're out of shape. Yeah, it's it's difficult. But in a different sense, you can still do it, you know. You don't have to kill yourself to do it.

It's not like you're trying to train for a competition or anything. But that for me Was the hardest thing to do was to realize that I need to change my life. And so that takes you know it for Christians that takes prayer that takes self-discipline that takes grace what all of these things need to.

You got to change your thinking about something almost, you know. Do a 180 from where you're going now, let me let me stop you right there is is how did this? So now everything you just said is kind of like it's kind of like when someone says, how do I become a stronger Christian?

Well pray and read the Bible that's gonna help, you know, but then not a lot of people know exactly the mechanics of how that works. Well, how do I read the Bible? Is there a special way? I should read it.

How do I pray? How do I develop these patterns and schedule and all what did that look like for you when you said I needed I need to Change my life and you began to think about things that led to the actual changing.

Why don't you unpack the process itself for us? So the process for me was I needed to look at my schedule. It starts with my schedule and then it went from schedule to eating habits. So I I thought about my schedule that I'm waking up with just enough time to shower and go to work.

Okay, and then after work you've had a full day of work. You're tired. But you you do whatever you do with your family like our family will have dinner together and we'll do a devotional and then it's kind Of free range or whatever and I found myself.

We don't have a TV in our living room, but we do have it in our bedroom. So I found myself, you know, I Watching binge-watching, you know for me. That's what I did. I just watched TV every night and I realized that yeah, that's got to change because if you're just sitting around being sedentary all day at work and then you're going home and being sedentary and You're you know not doing anything.

Well, of course, you're gonna put the pack on weight. Then you look at your eating habits and you're like That's where the gluttony comes in. I looked at my eating habits and I would eat all day long constantly at my desk.

You know, and then I would eat big meals and big portions and then I would eat stuff that I knew is not good. For me, you know, it's like oh I just ate a candy bar after I ate, you know 2 ,500 calories for dinner worth of six seven slices of pizza this fully load.

Oh, no wonder I look like, you know. So it's like changing all of those habits. But it started with my schedule and I realized I think this is true whether you go to the gym in the mornings or not. You get up at 5 and go to bed between 9 and 10 o 'clock.

You get a lot more done in a day than if you get up at 7. Get to work at 8 and then stay up until midnight. I I don't know why that is but at least unless you're a second or third shift kind of person.

But for first shifters, I I don't know how these people get anything done because I didn't accomplish much. But I accomplished much more in a day getting up earlier and going to bed earlier than and I feel more rested but that was for me the start of it was looking at my schedule and how much time I'm wasting doing nothing and Then moving to checking out my diet and seeing that and then from that it moved to the math.

See losing weight is all about math. It's all about 3 ,500 calories equals roughly a pound of weight, right? Okay, and There's these calculators that are they're not overly specific with their general that whatever your sex male age for me 42 weight 220 lifestyle.

You input that information and then it spits you out. This is how many calories you burn in a day. Well, if you know you want to lose weight and you set a target goal for me. I wanted to get down to 155.

I Ended up getting down to 150 and that's where I'm maintaining but my goal at the time was 155. So I figured in okay. I need to eat. So after I did the math and said, okay I'm gonna work out for an hour.

I'm gonna do six to eight miles of walking a day. You know how many calories were I burn on that routine? In a week and so I did that and every week when I'd lose weight I would reconfigure that because the less you weigh the less calories you were burning doing the same amount of activity.

It just works that way. Okay, and so I kept inputting that data and I was able to Map out that by the first week of October. Starting in April that I was gonna hit my target weight. I beat it by a week, but it was almost to the you know but a week is you know being earlier rather than later is is better, but I It was just basically following the math.

Do this much exercise in a day taking only this much calories and do that. That's why I tell people you can try whatever diet you want and they probably all work for me the most simple thing was, you know calories in exertion out and just I stuck to that and I have pictures of me from April all the way to the present day where you can just see and in the first few months It doesn't look much different.

It's like but you know Braxton pointed out and I think it's probably true. One day you showed up and you look like you do now, you know is like oh, but it wasn't overnight. It just seemed that way to everybody and six months is not a lot of time when I when people tell me that oh.

You're inspiring me to go lose weight or whatever, you know. That's great. But I tell people Look six to eight months from now. However long it may take you to get your goal weight. Sometimes it may take people a year or longer.

I don't depend on where you start how much you can do in the time period to burn the amount of calories you need to. But I tell people let's say in a year a year from now you're gonna you know Lord willing you continue to live a year from now.

You're gonna be a year older that's an amazing fact that you're gonna have to come to grips with but a year from now you can either be Weighing what you weigh weigh more or weigh less. What do you want to do because a year is gonna go by and if you continue to live It's gonna happen one way or the other you're gonna be a year older in a year.

What do you want to do? You want to weigh the same you want to weigh more you want to weigh less? It's that simple. Mm-hmm. You just got to figure it out. No, now what now when people want to lose weight, they they tend to for me.

I'm an extremist like I'm not a heavyset guy, but I do got a gut and I and I I feel like I'm at a counselor. Listen, I have a gut and I'm tired all the time. But you know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna lay it all out here.

I do have a little bit of a gut. I do feel Fatigued a lot. So I'll wake up early in the morning and I've got to do what I got to do and when I come home from work I'm just I need a nap. And then when I think about okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this, you know, I do like those intense you know beachbody things like the insanity and this and I tend to go off onto the extreme and I'll do it good for a Week, and it's amazing and I'm actually you can actually feel the difference and then I kind of fall back and then I feel like a Failure because I started at this extreme level and then fell off.

Is that is that the case when people want to lose weight? Do you have to do these drastic intense things? I mean, what were some of the exercises you started with? Obviously you changed your eating. What are some of the exercises you started doing and and kind of continued throughout the time that led you to your weight loss?

Okay, so I started my diet and exercise In April didn't join a gym until June, okay, because I started I Get that. I'm the same that might just be a personality type. I've tried that before to go gusto and then crash, you know.

And I think that there's some people who can go gusto and get it done, too. But I think more people are probably like us than not right because they get into it and they're just like, huh. But you feel good.

But then you you know, you you didn't make a lifestyle change you you you got excited. That's about it. You know, it's not a lifestyle change. But what I did was as I knew that I was gonna eventually go to the gym and change my life.

But I decided to start by just walking. Okay. So for the month of April, I was just gonna walk and then in May I Got out the old Dumbbells that are chipped away and have you know spiderwebs on them and everything else from the garage and Decided to incorporate some dumbbell exercises and that's what I did till May until the second week of June.

And that's when I decided that I'm going to instead of just doing this at home. I'm gonna go to the gym every day. But but my goal was six to eight miles a day. When I walk art of walking so when you started like you okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna walk.

I'm changing my life. You tried to walk six. How was him again? It was between six and eight miles a day now. That seems like a lot but It's I didn't do just set out and start walking for six miles. What I do like a forest gump and you just ran right?

No, I just it came out to I don't know 16 ,000 17 ,000 steps or whatever. Okay. So my iPhone had a little heart app, you know, and I think Smartphones have these in general, right? And it's basically a pedometer and so I would go until it said either six or you know Seven sometimes a little bit over and it would start by walking a little bit in the morning.

Walk at my lunch break and take a walk with the wife and kids at night you know and then You Just keep going even if they quit until you see that six or even past that do you walk fast? Do you know? Just casual walk with the family except well I probably walk a little bit faster when I was by myself or my lunch break in the parking garage or whatever.

But I just tried to make sure that I did not go to bed until I had that six miles at least on my little. What is a little phone app, okay, you know, I don't even have a Fitbit, you know. It's just a little Apple my phone that tracks your steps and mileage.

And so I started with that and then I started while I was watching television hadn't changed that yet. In May I got out my dumbbell exercises and would do that for about 45 minutes or 42. However long a television show is without commercials on Netflix, you know I was like, well, you're gonna do hand weights with it.

You know the dumbbell weights with it. You can do all kinds of Different dumbbell exercises that and that kind of helped a little bit and that's when I really started getting better at the diet and counting the calories and all of that and I became it we have a little game at the office that they can now shout out something like an Arby's French as you dip sandwich and I'll be like 740 calories because I know exactly.

Because you you get in the habit of looking at right at the foods and a lot of restaurants will have the calorie thing and so I started counting the calories and I limited myself to 1 ,500 a day and then one cheat day a week where I do like 2 ,500 or something, you know a little bit more but I gave myself a cheat day.

Sorry. Hang on. That's alright. I Got the same thing in my office. I got a clapping. Yeah, no, I have a hutch here and the motion sensors behind it so okay. You know, I record a lot of lectures in my desk and every lecture has the lights go out.

Or waving my hands around. I don't know why that is, but But yeah, so the count counting calories and dieting that I looked at all the different ways to diet all the different exercise routines. But I I found that the basic Calorie and exercise diet and exercise count your calories and I still count my calories.

I'm eating between twenty eight hundred and three thousand calories a day now. But I'm I still count them and I still make sure that they're healthy, you know. How many calories should a person have a day?

I know it differs, but is there a general Amount of calories. We should be having a day and trying not to go over. I I'm sure that medical experts will have a different answer than me. But mean no because some people are trying to lose weight.

Which means you need to take in fewer calories and you burn and you need to figure out. You know, and I know that they're rough guesstimates on these calculators that you find online but how many calories on average do you burn on the treadmill or burn on the you know lifting weights at a light effort or a vigorous effort how much so you plug in all those numbers and they tell you how many calories you're gonna burn if you do.

That you say well, so I got it to where I mean when I was 220, I was burning 36 37 hundred calories with the amount of Exercise and walking and all that that I was doing and so I could just take in 1 ,500 calories and lose a pound every two days, you know.

So it all depends but if you're like me right now, I weigh 150 pounds and I burned because of my daily activity levels higher. I burned 3 ,000 calories. So I try to make sure I get between 28 and because I don't want to lose any more weight or I'll start looking like A cancer patient so, you know, so I'm happy where I'm at.

So I want to maintain so I have to do the things that is required to maintain now. Were you ever in a place where I didn't meet. I'm thinking in terms of myself. And I'm sure the people can relate to this in terms of fatigue.

I I drink so much coffee. I to be honest I'm not exaggerating. I think I drink more coffee than I drink water. Oh, man. No, it's terrible. Uh, so so what role does does water play in this entire process staying hydrated and things like that?

Yeah, I I'm forced myself to drink six bottles of water a day minimum. Okay, minimum and people tell me well bet they always point to something Braxton's. It's the walking not the weightlifting that the weightlifting made you get a little bit tone, but the walking is what caused you lose weight.

Dr. Elliott says no, it's drinking all that water flushes you out. That's why you lost the way I'm like, no I just did all of that and that's what you know. Find the one thing the one thing that they don't want to do like I don't want to drink all that water.

So that's what did it for you, but I'm not gonna. You know, I don't want to do all that walking but no, it's I make sure I drank six and I everyone knows that this Diet citrus drop is my beverage of choice.

I talk about it and I don't get. But I drink I drink probably I probably a two liter a day a diet soda. So I'm not one to pick on you for your coffee, right? Coffee is just dirt water anyway, but I I don't drink coffee.

I can take you insulted a family member. I Trust me everyone in this office is Braxton drinks cold coffee in ice. Okay. Yeah, so it's fancy that way. All right. No, it's nasty that way. But yeah, no, so I'm not one to talk about pee.

I don't I'm not. Whatever you eat, that's fine. What did you drink? If you like coffee fine. I like my caffeine too. I just Not coffee, but I do recommend whatever it is. Drink a lot of water. Okay, you know.

You go to the bathroom more but you probably go if you drink as much coffee as you say, yeah. But yeah, but. Yeah, I I think everyone said drink a lot of water. So I drink a lot of water. I'm not an expert, you know, but it's not but I just do when I looked at everything I could think of counting calories and Exercise and drinking a lot of water all that kind of helped me now people.

People whine to me and say oh, I don't want to do what you did because counting calories is that's a hassle. Like taking this and scooping your food onto a plate all that one more did how hard is that?

Read the back of the thing and it's use measuring cup. I think people think it's just hard. It's not hard. It's not some incredible feat that I did, you know. Nothing. I saw it's a life. Yeah, it's a life.

Okay, and and making the commitment to do that. Yeah, not not to lose weight. But to change your life. That's you know, and that's where but I'll tell you, you know. Physical health has led to increased spiritual health.

It really has. Yeah. So I. Well, I want to get I want to get there. Yeah, I have one more question on the physical side. Okay, and well, well two more. So so the majority of the exercises that you did with that.

Would you say that consisted of just walking a lot just being active not necessarily these intense push-ups and weight lifting. I mean you tried to mix a little bit in there. But was a majority of it just getting out moving and when I start I started.

Okay, like I said I started with the walking then walking and dumbbells and then I've joined the gym and when I joined the gym, I go to the gym five days a week and I do a different muscle group. Mondays leg day and I don't skip leg day.

But it looks like I skip leg day because I have chicken legs. You know Tuesday chest. Wednesday back Thursday shoulders. Fridays arms. Hmm, and so I would do a different and I put in our Facebook group.

I put my workout routine in there. You know, it's it's six exercises per muscle group and then I would do ab Workout after that and I do that every day and then I did that and that usually takes about 45 minutes a day.

But then as I got healthier probably. Probably somewhere around September when I was almost to my goal I actually. After I did my daily Exercise 45 minutes of muscle group plus abs. I started doing some total body stuff just because I felt better.

You know, and so now my I added about another 30 minutes to my morning routine. As I but my body was able to do more, you know. So so now I work out for about an hour and 15 minutes at the gym every morning.