February 12, 2021 Show with Dr. Jason M. Garwood on “Health for All of Life: A Medical Manifesto of Hope & Healing for the Nations” (Part 2)

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I believe yesterday, that this Sunday is my birthday, so I'm urging all of you who live nearby a

BMW dealership to keep me in mind this weekend. And today, we have on the program, not only a returning guest, but also a first -time co -host.

We have returning to the program, Dr. Jason M. Garwood, who is teaching pastor at Cross and Crown Church in Northern Virginia, and he's a writer, activist, and professor at Cross and Crown Seminary, and we are going to be addressing today part two of a discussion on his book,

Health for All of Life, a Medical Manifesto of Hope and Healing for the Nations, and it's my honor and privilege, first of all, to welcome you back for the second time,

Dr. Jason M. Garwood. Thank you, Chris, happy to be here with you. And we have joining us for the very first time on the program, as my co -host today,

Bill Evans. He's the creator of healthforalloflife .com. He is also the founder of Kingdom Driven LLC, and he is known as the truck driver theologian, and I know, actually, believe it or not,

I know several truck driver theologians, men who are involved in secular labors, but have brilliant theological minds, and are very biblically literate, and are very capable of writing books on their own, actually, and I know of one that is actually working on a book right now, on eschatology, in fact, eschatology that I think my guests would agree with today, because he's a post -millennialist, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome, for the very first time ever, to Iron Trump and Zion Radio, serving as my co -host today,

Bill Evans. Greetings. It's great to have you on the show today,

Bill. Well, before we go into a discussion on the book, if you could, especially for the sake of our listeners,

Dr. Garwood, who have not heard you before, tell our listeners about Cross and Crown Church in Northern Virginia.

Sure. Cross and Crown was planted about three years ago. We're a Reformed Presbyterian, confessionally

Reformed church, church plant. We meet in homes right now throughout the

Northern Virginia area, mostly centered around Warrington, Virginia, the Fauquier County area.

So yeah, several of us decided three years ago that we really wanted to move in a direction of building a kingdom culture, and so we're trying to plant a social order that honors the kingdom of God right smack dab, 40 miles west of D .C.

slash Babylon. So that's our effort there. We love to preach and teach the comprehensive view of the gospel, and we really try to emphasize

Christian education and emphasize building something attractive, hopefully for the world, where we are serving one another and being involved in various pursuits, like medical freedom and so on.

If anybody wants more information about Cross and Crown Church, go to crosscrownchurch .com,

crosscrownchurch .com. And Bill Evans, since you are a first -time guest on the program, actually you'll be our co -host today, featuring this book that you are heavily involved in creating, or basically the brainchild behind it for Dr.

Garwood to create. But tell our listeners something about your background, if you could, in a summary fashion.

Tell our listeners something about your salvation testimony, what kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our

Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you. Right.

Well, I was raised in a Roman Catholic home. I was seven children, blue -collar family in the

Midwest and South, and parochial school environment. I naturally didn't take my

Christian faith very seriously once I reached puberty. And it wasn't until I was in the

Navy in 1976 that I was invited to a

Navigator Bible study, and I heard the gospel, really for, I believe, the first time in a way that I was able to comprehend.

It became very clear to me that God was giving me ears to hear something that I'd never heard that way before.

And for about the next six or eight years, I was very active in the Navigators, a lot of Bible study, evangelism, discipleship, a lot of scripture memory.

And then I left the Navy and went to Bible college to be a missionary, left there, got married, false of my wife, and then

I commenced a very long period in the wilderness, if you will. And I would tell people that my knowledge of total depravity is not theoretical.

William Perkins, the Puritan, taught on the topic of the temporary believer.

Now, I had never officially denied the faith, but certainly by my life

I was not honoring the Lord, and I believe that given the fact that without holiness no man shall see the

Lord, if I had perished in that period of time, I would have indeed have invalidated my calling and election.

It wasn't until after I began to drive a truck after I retired from corporate

America at the age of 50 that I had a lot of time on my hands driving, looking through the windshield, and the

Holy Spirit faithfully began wooing me and using the scriptures that I had memorized 30 some odd years previous and began to really reawaken in me a fire that I once thought

I had and began reconnecting with old associations, accountability partners from the past, and ever since then

I've been really focused on extending Christ's kingdom, walking with God.

Obviously, we have a great deal of time, as you mentioned, your other truck driver friends, a lot of time to study and listen to the

Word and good sermons, and you can really get a theological education behind the wheel of your truck thanks to the tools of dominion that the

Lord has given us. I've been very blessed to reach out and had a podcast for several years, which enabled me to reach out and get to know a lot of the men that have been guests on your program in person and become friends, and so it's been a journey.

It's been a blessing. I met Jason Garwood, the previous ministry that we were involved in together, and so it's been a work in progress.

I'm very much delighted to be able to talk about this ministry opportunity and what it holds for the kingdom.

Well, since both you and I are going to be spending the majority of the program asking

Dr. Garwood questions, since he did write the book, I do want to ask the first question of you to start with anyway, and Dr.

Garwood can chime in also, but Bill, I understand that this book was a work of providence, so tell our listeners how.

Well, the man who had been really my elder for about 30 years was a former medical professional, and he, as a part of his

Faith for All of Life discipleship training, a very comprehensive discipleship training, because of his medical background, began really researching what the word and what creation has to tell us about health, where it comes from, how to keep it, and because of his concern for me, he began sharing this information, this module from his training with me, in a three -ring binder, and, of course,

I became immediately aware that it was valuable, that it was true, that this was not common knowledge, and that we needed to get the information into more hands, and so at that point,

I created a website called Health for All of Life. We basically took that as an homage to R .J.

Rushdini and the Calcedon Foundation, who talks about a Faith for All of Life, and, of course,

Jason has that in their church tagline, All of Christ for All of Life, and we would say that we know that physical health is a gospel issue, because in the words of Amy Carmichael, souls always come in bodies, and so it doesn't matter how gifted or godly you are, when you're sick, when you're ill, you're out of the fight, and so we wanted to put this, get this information into more hands, and not be a dead end to truth, but to continue to pass it on, and as I was musing on this and working on this,

I knew that Jason had written other books, had done some audiobooks for me, I knew he was a gifted writer,

I knew he was a serious student of anything he set before him, and so one evening,

I just really, I believe it was the prompting of the Holy Spirit to reach out to Jason and ask him would he be willing to turn the website into a book, and the

Lord put a very specific sum, I believe, a very specific sum of money in my head, that would you be willing to do it for this sum of money, and unbeknownst to me, at approximately that same time,

Jason was returning from a rally in Washington, had to do with vaccines and mandates and things like that, and he had expressed an interest to his trap, that he would like to write a book, and I think he, the way he recounted it to me, he uttered that same amount, that same number, amount of money, and so when

I reached out to him via text, it was within a few hours, I suppose, of when the

Lord had put that same longing in his heart, and so it became very apparent that this was providential leading of the

Holy Spirit. And Jason, do you have anything to add to that, as far as the providential circumstances behind the writing of this book?

He tells the story exactly how it happened, telling my friend Chris, I really would like to expand on these concepts.

I had preached a sermon on vaccines and really exposed what I believe to be the very erroneous worldview behind vaccination and big pharma, and obviously this has been exacerbated by the

COVID dilemma and the government's response to COVID, but this was basically toward the end of 2019,

I think, and I just had that longing to keep studying, keep working on this, and try to develop it some more, and yeah,

I said to my friend, well, I'd really love to just, I'd love to earn a salary, you know, tuck myself away, really study this, learn from it, and write this, and then, yeah, it was only within a few hours that Bill had sent me that message, and it's totally a work of providence.

I mean, it was the Holy Spirit at work in both of us, without each other even knowing what we're thinking, and God clearly created a path for it, so I'm really thankful that the book was birthed out of a love for following God and listening to Him and trying to obey

His word. Amen. Well, you know, there are people who, from time to time on my program, or should

I say in the audience of my program, will say you should be sticking more to gospel issues,

Chris. The side issues may be fascinating. There are enough people out there doing side issues outside of the gospel, and who knows, there might even be some saying, why is

Chris talking about health and nutrition and all that on his show? We like it when he's discussing theology.

So, Dr. Garwood, why is health a gospel issue? Yeah, well, Bill referred to this earlier about souls coming in bodies, and the fact is, you know, it was

Francis Schaefer who really helped, building on Van Till's influence, of course, help us with what

I would call the doctrine of antithesis, and so we have these concepts of evil and sickness and all of these things that are antithetical, that are opposite of essentially who

God is and what God wants from the world, and so when God created us, we know He created us in His image,

He created us to obey Him, to live with Him in holiness and righteousness, to obey

His law and so on, and of course, we know sin entered into the world, corrupted that, and so fundamentally, the gospel is an issue of antithesis.

It's an issue of men, women, and children needing to find hope and healing in Christ, and lest we become neoplatonists who would emphasize, you know, the

Greek metaphysic struggle between body and soul, or the spirit and the material.

Some of the Greeks we know, being involved in that, chose the body over the soul. Do whatever you want with the body, because the soul is transcendent.

The soul goes on, and we're Christians. We are Christians who believe that God created us as whole people, so we have a whole gospel for the whole of a man, and that good news ought to not just determine what makes a person right in God's eyes through the doctrine of justification by faith alone, but how else does that doctrine, how else does the gospel bring healing, and so I think that that's why health is sometimes thrown to the side, and it's not seen as a gospel issue, because in a lot of ways,

I think Christians have given themselves over to a Christian rationalism. We are rational creatures, yes, but we are not to be rationalists.

We aren't just minds that think with souls that are just going to escape the planet someday.

God wants to bring healing to the nation today. I don't know how else to read Isaiah 60 through 66, so that's why it's ultimately a gospel issue, because as Christ died, he purchased the nations with his blood.

According to Psalm 2, he ascended and asked the Father for the nations, and the nations were given to him as a gift, and so now as we live and exercise dominion in faith through service, through the expansion of the gospel into every single area of life, we now are able to bring a truly comprehensive solution to the comprehensive problem of sin.

So that's sort of the short answer of why it's a gospel issue. I spend more in the first chapter explaining that, but essentially what

Bill said earlier is really the core of it. We're not just saved so we can go to heaven when we die.

We are saved and restored in our relationship to God here on earth now, so that we might be obedient to him, and so that he might put his enemies under his feet.

We have to be about pushing back every area of the fall, too. It wasn't just the soul that was suffered from the fall of Adam.

It was also everything in the creation, and you know, it is our desire to be about destroying the works of the evil one, and that includes pain, suffering, misery, and the poverty that comes with it.

By the way, Bill, for some reason you were a lot more distant the last time you spoke, so I don't know what changed, but try to make sure that your volume is turned up, or your face is closer to your phone, or however you're doing that, just so we make sure that it's clearly heard by everybody.

And also remember, since I can't see you, I can't see you waving your hand or any facial expressions.

When you see a lull in the conversation, just chime in, like you just did, and answer any question you feel like answering, or ask any question as well.

Would you say, since all three of us are Reformed, we might be different persuasions of Reformed theology, but would you say that perhaps we who are

Reformed are typically among the most guilty about neglecting health as any kind of a gospel issue?

Quite possibly. I mean, I mentioned the Christian rationalism earlier. There is a tendency in the

Reformed tradition to really emphasize catechism and teaching doctrine and reading books, and I'm in that vein.

I love reading books. I'm reading all the time. I want to read more, but it's sort of connected to another book that I wrote called

Reconstructing the Heart, where we can't just be rationalists. We have to feel we need to worship

God. At the end of Romans 11, Paul has spent all these chapters talking about theology and then some heavy, heavy stuff, and at the end he just sort of blurts out this doxological praise, you know, to God be glory forever.

Amen. You know, from Him and to Him and through Him are all things, and so I think there has to be a balance of both, and when we really overemphasize the intellectual, the cerebral, we tend to negate other things, like how we feel and our emotions, and we probably should have a theology of emotions, and also we shouldn't treat ourselves as, you know, the idea of jars of clay.

We're just souls hanging out in this decrepit body, and someday we'll get a new body.

Well, that's true. We believe in resurrection, but in the here and now, when you're sick, you're out of the fight.

Christ is risen. He's undoing Adam's sin. He's lowering back the curses of creation, the entropy that we experience.

So yeah, I think in the Reformed camp, maybe. I don't know that they're the most guilty, but perhaps they are. Well, in the

Reformed churches, we put a great deal of stock in scholastic achievement.

You know, we promote, you know, seminary and languages and systematic theology and homiletics, and so typically in your

Reformed churches, you're going to have pastors and teaching elders that have a far higher level of scholastic acumen than you might in, let's say, some of your broadly evangelical churches where you have lay pastors and are bivocational pastors.

And so we're not to marginalize the scholastic education, but when we look at the medical establishment, the model that we have here in the

West, we tend to carry over that same reverence and respect for people who've done the...who've

put on...who wear the lab coats and who've done the pre -med and who've put in their time.

The fact is, however, that we need to always be willing to question the presuppositions that a person carries with them.

In other words, a person can have a great theological education, but if his presuppositions are not hermeneutically sound or they're not

God -centered, then we know that in his theology and in his ministry, he's going to be giving bad information.

He's not going to be building on the right foundation of God's sovereignty, of the sufficiency and inerrancy of Scripture, so on and so forth.

And the same is true in the medical establishment. You know, even really bright people don't know what they don't know.

And sadly, we pay lip service to the fact that we confess that we are fearfully and wonderfully made and that God has given us everything we need for life and godliness, but then we default to a medical establishment that's not built on any of those biblical presuppositions.

And instead of curing the sick and alleviating illness, their content, their whole modality is based on basically managing symptoms.

And I might even go so far as to say that in the medical, in the existing medical model that most of us know, because that's what modern

Western medicine is, is that a patient cured is a customer lost. And so there is a financial incentive and and quite frankly, there are many, many principal

Christian doctors who have become very disenchanted with the medical establishment because it has departed from the

Hippocratic Oath and has basically made them functionaries of a government -run medical technocracy that says, you know, if they've got this symptom, then you administer this pharmaceutical product.

And so I believe that what we have outlined in Health for All of Life, in at least a cursory fashion, hopefully whetting the appetite of the reader to go pursue more information, is an entirely different modality.

It says that we are fearfully and wonderfully made, God has created us with an immune system and with a body with DNA that is designed to be self -correcting when we use creation responsibly.

And so I consider health, taking responsibility of one's health, is biblical self -government.

And, Dr. Garwood, the book itself is uniquely laid out. Why don't you tell us how it's laid out and why this is the case?

Yeah, sure. I mean, it kind of goes back to the Apostle Paul would oftentimes give us these indicatives, these truths of theology and scripture and truths about God and what

God intends to accomplish through his Son, Jesus. And then, of course, Ephesians is laid out like that.

And then you have imperatives, these commands, in light of this, how do you live? And so as Bill and I were talking through this and trying to really come up with a game plan to how do we take the website, the website that has a ton of great information from a lot of wonderful doctors and natural pathic physicians and so on, how do we take that stuff and we put it into a book form?

And not necessarily overwhelm the reader, but at least, like you said, wet their appetite a little bit.

And for me, the reason we sort of laid it out the way we did is we wanted to give the first half of the book some basic theology.

I remember a conversation Bill and I had. We talked frequently as we tried to put this project together, and one of the conversations we had one day was simply, you know, what if you're at the

DMV and you're sitting next to someone and you're talking to them and you're trying to give them this worldview, to give them the gospel, to give them perhaps a remedy to their particular health problem?

And a lot of people have health problems, so it's a perfect entryway into those conversations. And so we wanted to be able to say, hey, here's a book you can read.

You can digest it, no pun intended, and you can have the theology there.

The first couple of chapters are just simply, here's the gospel. Here's what God intends to do with the world. We're not blatantists.

We don't want to throw away and reject the world. And then the second half is really just an explanation of the landscape.

Bill mentioned it a second ago. We look around, we see dialysis centers, we see cancer.

Our town just got a brand new cancer building, a multi -million dollar building, a cancer treatment center.

And you look around, and some people might be thinking, wow, this is a great looking building. But this is not evidence of a healthy culture.

It's not evidence at all. So we look around the world and we see the effects of sin, even if they're hidden behind a nice architecture.

So we wanted the theology. We wanted to give people a view of what is going on in the medical establishment today.

What problems might we have to deal with? Are we any healthier?

One in 59 kids with autism, and apparently that's continuing to grow. If you question the link between vaccines and autism, you are ostracized and censored and deplatformed now, especially

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. just had his Instagram account deplatformed. Yeah, it's interesting to see an ally coming from the left of many conservatives who are rallying together with concern over vaccines and other things.

Yeah, yeah, it is. There's quite a lot of various people in this medical freedom group.

And of course, for us, part of the laying out the book we did, we want somebody to hear the gospel.

We want them to know who Jesus is and why it matters. And then the last half of the book are just basic aspects of health.

And we'll talk more, I'm sure, later about some of those. But the book was laid out in that way so that people could see the gospel, see who

Jesus is, see the problems, and here are the solutions that we put before you. And we have to go to our first break right now.

I think Bill was beginning to speak, but if you could hold your thought, Bill, and don't forget what you were going to say, because we'll take you when we come back from the break.

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Many of you, I'm sure, know and love Wody Baucom. He's one of my favorite preachers of all time.

In fact, I just saw him preach in person about two weeks ago here in Pennsylvania at a conference.

I have just been notified that he is experiencing heart failure right now and is in urgent need of prayer.

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Wody Baucom, one of the most valuable speakers and authors alive in the

Christian church today, and that is not hyperbole. That is not exaggeration or flattery. He is a precious brother and an extremely valuable one at that.

So please pray for the full recovery of Wody Baucom. We have now returned to our discussion today, our interview with Dr.

Jason M. Garwood, who is teaching pastor at Cross and Crown Church in Northern Virginia.

He is a writer, activist, and professor at Cross and Crown Seminary. We are discussing part two of a discussion we began back in January on Health for All of Life, a medical manifesto of hope and healing for the nations.

This is a new book by Dr. Garwood, and it actually came into existence largely because of the support of Bill Evans, my co -host, creator of healthforalloflife .com,

who is known as the truck driver theologian and a podcast host, and it's great to have them both on the program.

And if I'm not mistaken, Bill, you were starting to say something right before the break. Yeah, let me first say

I agree 100 % with your assessment. Are you there,

Bill? You're breaking up. Can you hear me? Now I can. Okay.

I just wanted to confirm and say amen to your assessment of Wody Baucom's precious ministry.

His values of the church is inestimable, and we do pray for him. And again, which leads right back to the issue, and I wanted to simply clarify something that had been intimated earlier, which should be self -evident.

Not all men seek Christ. That's only as a result of the effectual calling of the

Holy Spirit based on the foreknowledge and predestination of God the

Father. We understand that, but I can assure you that it's built into every human's nature that if they are sick, suffering from chronic illness, or from the long -term effects of a traumatic injury, they want to be well.

They want to be healed. They want to get over that pain so that they can resume their normal life.

And in that respect, let me just share a brief antidote. I just recently heard from a missionary in Africa who has been using some of the protocols that are outlined in the book, things like chlorine dioxide, or DMSO, and various things to treat pathogens, whether that be related to yellow fever, dengue fever,

HIV, AIDS, or malaria. He would go into Muslim villages and say, we would like to talk to you about Jesus.

And the village leaders would say, if you mention him, we will kill you. And then the next thing, they say, well, we would like to heal all of your sick people.

And the village leaders would say, you can use that building right over there. And then after they have treated these people's infectious and chronic illnesses with these natural protocols, the village leaders will come back to them and say, now you can talk to us about Jesus.

The God who has created these solutions to our physical problems is the one who can heal our spiritual lostness.

And that's what we have a chance to communicate by using people's concerns about their physical ailments to build a bridge to the gospel.

That's always our end objective, is to build a bridge to Christ. Amen.

Well, Bill was mentioning some of this before the break, but Dr.

Garwood, what should the Christian attitude be towards the medical establishment today? Obviously, it's not a monolith.

There are people I know in the medical establishment that have a lot of complaints about the very field that they're in.

Obviously, every pro -life Christian who's in the medical field is disgusted and horrified by the number of men and women who are licensed physicians murdering children in the womb.

And we could go on and on and on. But obviously, there's good and bad involved. But what should the Christian attitude be?

Yeah, that's true. There is good and bad. I mean, certainly, we can appreciate the advancements we have in terms of surgery, trauma surgery.

People who are able to interpose, if you will, or interject in a dire situation to help someone who's had a freak accident of sorts.

There's definitely a lot of good things that we can say about the, quote unquote, medical establishment for things like that.

And there are obviously advancements in technology, being able to see the human body in miraculous ways.

You think of ultrasounds and 3D ultrasound and things of that nature. But I think there also are a lot of things that we should very much have a healthy skepticism of, especially those things which are related to, as is always the case, heavy government regulation.

A lot of times, you go into, you know, just speaking to some doctors that I know, when you go to med school, they don't spend much time at all telling you about proper nutrition.

They tell you these are the vaccines you're supposed to give, but they don't really spend much time explaining really the science behind it or why it's administered the way it is.

And so, I think there's just a lot of good, certainly, but I think a lot of it stems from faulty presupposition.

I outline this in the book. The Flexner Report of 1910 came out, and it really was the game changer for health in America.

And it was then the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, helped fund Abraham and his brother

Flexner to assess the schools, assess everything that's going on in America. And for them, it was an opportunity to make money to centralize everything into these

John Hopkins -style medical establishments. And so, you have synthetic drugs from the big oil industry that they were involved in kind of coming into the health industry.

And now, today, we have, you know, you sit at home, and maybe you watch a commercial and take this if you're feeling this way, but just a reminder that if you take this drug, your eyeballs might pop out of your head, your ears might fall off, and, you know, you might actually die.

And it's almost laughable anymore to see that happen, and that's because it's all about profits.

It's all about money. It's all about the patents, too. If you can patent something, you can make money, and a ton of money.

And so, I think there's just a ton of skepticism we should have, especially with regard to the government response of the

COVID virus. And I think that that's one thing we try to do in the book is explain, look, there are other ways to deal with these sicknesses.

If you want to flood your body with oxygen, oxygen kills viruses and bacteria and other free radicals.

If you want to flood your body with oxygen, then you need to be taking chlorine dioxide. You need to be drinking filtered water, perhaps dimethyl sulfoxide.

That's what Bill mentioned, DMSO. These treatments that we go through are things that work.

They work, and they work well. They're safe, and they're cheap, and you can get better when the medical establishment, of course, we're supposed to believe that they have everything under control.

But not only do you have heart disease issues, you have cancer, but the third and fourth right in line, assuming abortion, of course, is the number one killer.

But if you were looking at medical mistakes, and then billions of dollars of medical mistakes that happen, you have adverse drug reactions when people are taking drugs, and just one after the other, and they interact with each other, and they just don't know how they interact.

And it hurts people. So I think we should have a very, especially after the COVID crisis, we should have a very skeptical view of the medical establishment.

Yeah, it is quite disturbing and frightening, actually, when

I have spoken with physicians who have told me that they know that much of what so -called scientists and doctors are saying in the media who happen to be banging the drum to support leftist approaches to the coronavirus and leftist mandates and so on.

These physicians that I've spoken with have told me that these people who know better, who are trained physicians, are lying.

And basically, some of the things they say about masks being very, very helpful to stop the spread of the coronavirus, and it is not only a lie, but laughably so, basically defying elementary understanding of immunology and so on.

So this is quite a frustrating and scary time we're living in. Chris, there's no form of tyranny that is more personal.

And you've got to raise your voice again, Bill. Yeah, I'm here. I'm here. I don't know if you can hear me.

I'm on my Bluetooth. Yeah, now I can hear you. Can you hear me? Now I can. There is no...

All around this country and around the world, all around this country and around the world, people are very much concerned about censorship and tyranny.

And there is no form of tyranny that is more personal than health tyranny, when the government presumes to tell you how your body is to be treated.

And certainly, there's no area in which censorship has been more concerted than in the areas of offering alternative or natural input to this existing current health crisis, which

I think is really a molehill that's been turned into a mountain. But the problem is, and I've had people from churches tell me, people are afraid.

And the reason why they're afraid, Chris, is because they don't know what to do.

In Hosea, we're told, my people perish for lack of knowledge. And this is nowhere more evident than in the area of health.

We live in an age and culture that believes in specialization. Most people know more about their automobiles than they know about their body.

And so that's why I refer to health and taking responsibility is a matter of biblical self -government.

And when you give people this information, it alleviates their fear because it gives them solutions that they can use, that they can afford, that are safe and effective, and that they can share with loved ones.

You don't have to go to medical school to be able to learn these life -saving, health -giving protocols and substances and then point people to the website to hear these scientists, researchers, and medical professionals explain how it works.

And then people are set free. And they can begin to not only heal themselves and see healing in themselves, but they can begin to become agents of healing for the people in their circle of friends and loved ones.

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Dr. Garwood, if you could inform us about something that is news to me, new to me,

I should say, what is the health triad about? Interesting.

Yes. Well, that's really the foundation, if you will, of the ideas that in the book and on the website.

And the three main concepts are the neutrify, detoxify, and energize.

So those three ideas help make a comprehensive view of health.

And so the book is sort of comparing those things. For example, neutrify, we need healthy nutrition.

We need the mighty 90. So there are several types of things that we need in order to be healthy.

You have 60 of the minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 essential amino acids, and 3 fatty acids, and of course cholesterol is tied onto that.

So you have healthy nutrition. You have healthy hydration. So food and water, water with the filtered water, get rid of all the nonsense in your water.

Fluoride, arsenic, I use a Berkey filter. My family and I, we use that.

Chlorine dioxide and DMSO, those things help fortify your water so you're having good oxygen intake through those means.

And neutrify, of course, is connected in the spiritual concept to this idea of feeding on Christ. Christ is the bread of life, and we are called to feed on him.

So there's a connection with that. And the second one is detoxify. So you need healthy detoxification, cellular metabolism, your liver, your kidney, sweating.

Sweating is key. Breathing, that's why I said trouble with math. Breathing is a hugely important detoxification function of your body.

And of course you need a healthy immune system and your lymphatic system. So making sure that you're not clogged up.

It's like into a house with copper sewage. You need those aspects. And then the third of the triad is energize.

Oh, by the way, I should say, with regard to detoxification, it's likened to mortifying the flesh.

We Reformed folks love to use that word, mortify, mortification. Of course, John Owen being the one who helped us in that understanding.

So we need to feed on Christ, but we also need to repent of sin. We need to put sin to death wherever it lies in our bodies.

And then the third is energize. So energizing, meaning you need a healthy nervous system, healthy blood, brain, bones, skin, your circulatory, respiratory systems.

That's sort of like your HVAC system, your heating and cooling for the body. And as far energizing, of course, spiritually speaking, when we think of our life as a

Christian, we are to be energized by the Holy Spirit. It is the third person of the

Trinity. He helps us. The Holy Spirit helps us to live a life of joy and pursuing

Him. And that's actually those three sort of topics, if you will.

Underneath them you have the cell building essentials. There's seven of them, and each of them has two except for the third one, energize.

We're talking about a healthy spiritual system as well. We need the solid foundation of God's word.

So that's the triad. That's why the book is sort of built around those ideas. And Chris, if I may,

I would dare say that if you're an individual in your audience who picks up the book as suffering from a chronic condition, perhaps they've suffered with it for many years under medical treatment,

I would submit that every chronic condition that humans are faced with can be an issue of one or more of those three aspects of the triad, like a three -legged stool.

It is their problem. I don't care whether it's Alzheimer's, whether it's cancer, whether it's

Lyme, whether it's psoriasis, whatever it may be. It really doesn't matter.

It is going to be influenced by one or perhaps even all three of those three areas.

And once you marinate in that and you get some of the science and the background behind it that's presented in the book and on the website from medical professionals, it almost like breaks the code.

And at that point, people can literally, I hesitate to say self -diagnose, but if those three areas are being taken care of, health will be present and you will see improvement, if not complete eradication of these nagging health issues that perhaps have plagued your listeners for decades.

It really is that fundamental. Now, you mentioned this when you were talking about the health triad,

Dr. Garwood, but tell us a bit more about the importance of proper nutrition to feeding on Christ, detoxing to mortifying the flesh and energizing one's life to the work of the

Holy Spirit. If we are going to be successful in our efforts and we're going to be persevering in our efforts, if we are going to be joyful in our efforts and our labors in the kingdom of God, we should not be plagued unnecessarily.

Obviously, there's always going to be sickness in a sin -cursed world no matter how often people exercise and eat correctly.

I know a young man who is an athlete who ate properly and was never out of shape in his entire life who died of a heart attack in his early 30s not long ago, but at the same time, we should be taking care of the vessels that God has given us so that we serve him more diligently and persevere in doing so.

If you could just give us a few more points on that. Sure. I think what

Bill mentioned with the three -legged stool is important because if you take one of the legs away, what happens when you try to sit on the stool?

You'll get hurt. And I think the same thing goes when we think of spiritually. We can feed on Christ, but perhaps we actually neglect the

Holy Spirit and his work in our lives and what he does to convict us of sin and righteousness and so on.

So it's kind of the same issue here. You have, especially in our modern -day evangelic -ish culture, a lot of folks who want to say, you know, yes, homosexuality is compatible with Christianity and all these other things are compatible with Christianity, and we sort of dilute and dumb down the

Christian faith. We dumb down the doctrine. And so you have categories of people who don't really find it important to mortify the flesh or to war against sin, to make a covenant with your eyes, to not look upon a woman with lust, as Job says.

And so I think it applies really perfectly in the arena of health because, you know, for a young man to die in his 30s of a heart attack, who was, for all we can tell, was quite healthy, something else is going on there, too.

Now, at the end of the day, we know and we believe in the providence of God. God's got the clock for everyone.

He's the one that's an appointment no one misses. Ten out of ten people die annually, right? That's just how it goes.

That's the statistic. But that's never, and that's been a struggle, I think, in the Calvinist circles is to articulate, look, the providence of God and what

God does isn't sort of a get -out -of -jail -free card where we get to just shrug our shoulders and say, well, you know what,

I guess this is what it's supposed to be. Sure, at the end of the day, what's going to be is we believe in the meticulous sovereignty of God, but we're not robots either.

We know, we believe in compatibilism. We believe that we exercise our wills accordingly.

Same thing with health, though, tying it back to that. We have to make sure we're in balance with all of these different things.

It's not just eating right or it's not just exercise. There are lots of things to consider.

Jason, if I can just give a couple of practical instances how this applies.

For instance, there is a number of cases where young athletes, even in high school, die suddenly on the football field or basketball court and come to find out their body has been burning through the nutrition that they have taken in.

They've got the best training tables, but what they find out is that in many cases they don't have vanadium, they don't have copper, they don't have manganese, and that's what the body uses to build healthy blood vessels.

Or in the case of women, for instance, we all know mothers, sisters, loved ones, aunts who had cervical or breast cancer.

Most women will tell you they have never ever had an OBGYN. Tell them that if they just supplement with selenium, which is a very common mineral, very inexpensive, that in test cases showed that women are 83 percent less susceptible to breast and cervical cancer if they just supplement with selenium.

Now that's very basic, easy to follow information, but the majority of people do not know it because their doctors don't know it.

And that may sound surprising to some people, but ask anybody you know, has their

OBGYN ever suggested that they supplement with selenium? Because women all fear breast or cervical cancer, and men fear prostate cancer.

The fact of the matter is that the health is predicated on your body's ability to build healthy cells.

The DNA is the blueprint. Healthy cells are what provide health.

You lose a billion cells every day, and if your body doesn't have the building blocks, the 90 essential nutrients that it needs but cannot make, it's like trying to make bricks without straw.

You cannot have health. And so it really gets down to very basic fundamental tidbits of factoids, if you will, of information that in the long run can make a huge difference in people's health outlook.

All right, I want to read... Go ahead, Jason. I was just going to add something really quickly,

Chris, to Bill's point. With regard to the trillions of cells that your body is cycling through, the human body itself is actually more of an issue of physics than chemistry.

So it's more of an electrical grid than it is chemistry, which is why a lot of modern science and synthetic drugs are so harmful, because you're trying to treat the body chemically when in fact that's not going to help your cells regenerate.

It's not going to help them produce the ATP that they need for energy and so on and so forth.

So that's why vaccines are dangerous, because you're pumping heavy metals into your cells, which are primarily made of water, and now you're a lightning rod and you have other issues that come in play with that.

I wanted to read one of the commendations for this book, because it's someone

I have admired for many years. In fact, I've interviewed him on this program a number of times, and he always proves to be a superb guest.

His name is Pastor George Grant of Parish Presbyterian Church in Franklin, Tennessee, and he says of this book, the scriptures repeatedly exhort us to exercise stewardship over every aspect of our lives, not the least of which includes our physical health.

Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit after all. We are not our own.

We have been brought up with a price. In this helpful volume, you will find a compendium of prudent and practical counsel to the end that you and I might take appropriate steps toward an exercise of that essential stewardship.

Read, think, pray, live. That was Pastor George Grant, and you do have some excellent commendations.

Several of the folks that have written commendations have actually been guests on this program, and that would even include

Martin Selbretty, who wrote the foreword. Many of our listeners might recognize that name since he contributes to the

Caledon Report magazine. Tell us about why it is important that you do have people of a variety of backgrounds who have written wonderful endorsements, including a physician, at least one.

Actually, a couple of physicians wrote some endorsements for the book. I sent it off to Dr.

Kevin Connors. He's a practitioner at Connors Clinic in Minnesota, and Dr. Rhett Bergeron too, down in Atlanta.

He's the medical director of Real Health Medical. On the cover of the book, we chose the cover the way we did because we wanted to...

The Westminster Assembly is there, we have a lab coat, we have a gavel, we have books, we have a man who is running, and he's trying to push this idea of a comprehensive view of the gospel of the kingdom.

And I think the endorsements help reflect that idea that not only can pastors or doctors kind of come together and say, hey, this is an important work.

These are important concepts to get behind. We mentioned earlier Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

and his general counsel and vice chair, Mary Holland, who I know personally, and they work with the

Children's Health Defense, and they provide legal protection for kids who are suffering from the weight of the medical industry.

And so I wanted to, and with Bill's help, we were able to really put this together to really try to help emphasize that, look, health is connected to the kingdom.

Health does matter. It is important. You are bought with a price to glorify God with your body.

And having different people from different professions and perspectives,

I feel like helps give credence to what the content of the book and the website is for, and that's to glorify

God in our health. And I'm sure Bill may want to add something on that regard too.

Well, no, I agree. I can remember my conversation with Dr. Rhett Bergeron, who's

Joe Moorcraft's personal physician, and his comment to me was that he looks at the back of every church bulletin and the prayer requests are almost exclusively having to do with physical ailments.

And he said he'd been praying for a book like this for five years. So he was very happy when I sent him the manuscript.

And this is a medical doctor who realizes the truth and that that's being kept from the people of God and the world.

And so this is just a great inroads for us to, again, alleviate pain, suffering, the effects of the curse.

And I'm just very, very happy with the way the book has been received. And we continue to get testimonials of people who have proven that these protocols, although simple, are effective and they're safe and they're inexpensive and they're accessible.

And it's just really, it opens up so many doors when you can see, everybody you see is sick.

There are people, if not them, their loved ones, their wife, you know, whatever. And when you can say, if I could introduce you to a doctor that could help you with that, wouldn't you be interested in watching a video?

And of course, we're looking for providential opportunities where people are open. And then if they go to the website and they go to the book, they cannot help be exposed to the gospel of the kingdom.

And of course, the Lord Jesus Christ, because the entire book and the website is saturated with the gospel.

Well, this is something that's probably going to be on the mind of a lot of people listening.

Your average person who wants tips on fighting the flu, the common cold, even

COVID, obviously, how do we boost our immune system and help fight off some of these things and other things that you may come up with that I haven't thought of?

Sure. In the back of the book, we have a meet the faculty section where you can meet some of these professionals that Bill and I have learned from, and we've sort of put them all together as a boot camp of sorts so you can get your health back in your control.

One of them is Dr. John Bergman, and he actually says somewhat tongue -in -cheek that you don't actually catch a cold, you earn a cold.

And the idea of, yeah, I first heard him say that and I thought, oh, yes, yes, yes, that makes sense.

Okay, I understand now. And it's the idea of the terrain of your body is important. So many people overemphasize the term or the virus or the bacteria, and they don't really have any paradigm for emphasizing the terrain of the body, the nutrition, having proper hydration and those sorts of things.

So as far as the idea of boosting your immune system, because some people will say, well, you don't really boost it, you just give it the tools it needs.

And that's sort of what I mean when I say that, because the immune system is very much connected to your detoxification function.

You have a cell -mediated system, you have the immoral system, and those systems are in place. Vaccines, by the way, that's partly why they're dangerous, because it's a trick on your immune system.

But you need your immune system to function properly so that it's like your guard. They're the soldiers that are doing the work, fighting off the invaders.

And so the terrain is absolutely everything for health. So don't just think in our culture today, oh, it's flu season again.

Well, why is it flu season? Well, in a lot of ways, because the body experiences more stress.

The weather changes. A lot of people are getting the flu shot, which actually is going to give you the flu.

A lot of people get sick after having that vaccine. And so it's considered a flu season.

So people expect that. But I haven't been sick with that in years. I take a ton of elderberry every day from September through basically

April, because I know that the sun isn't out as much, it's colder, the leaves are off the trees, the body experiences stress during that time.

So I need to make sure that I'm having the proper tools given to my body so that my cells are able to reproduce and not be harmed when something bad happens.

So vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin A, zinc, all of these things we lay out in the book and on the website are important to giving your body what it needs to fight.

Yeah, and there's an overabundance of greats in God's creation. There's not just one silver bullet.

There are any number of natural substances that will help your body. I would say that we mentioned earlier, one of the most effective, because it is one of the most versatile, is chlorine dioxide.

There is virtually no pathogen on the planet, whether that be a mold, a spore, a virus, a bacteria, a poison, that chlorine dioxide will not destroy by oxidizing the body, oxidizing the blood.

And that oxygen destroys these pathogens. And these pathogens cannot build up an immunity to the laws of physics that God has implemented in His creation.

So there are many, many simple products. And of course, Jason has also put in there recommendations for every person's medicine cabinet and a wealth of other in his index there of other helpful material.

But the purpose of the book is to drive people to the website. And by the way, no discussion of the website or the book would be complete without a shout out and a kudos to Reverend John T.

Jack Campbell, Jr., who is a former medical professional, teaching elder, and who is the one who compiled this information in his discipleship course.

That was the book that was and now who runs the website. And once I created it,

I turned it over to him. He is the proprietor of the website. And he is the he is the inspiration for this whole endeavor.

And so we want to give a shout out to Jack Campbell. And your mention of elderberries transported my mind back to when

I was a teenager and I saw Monty Python and the Holy Grail, when one of the knights was mocking somebody and said, your father smells of elderberries.

Do elderberries smell bad? What's the story with that? They can, they can.

My wife will make some elderberry syrup at home. You can buy them online and have them shipped to you and there's a way to make it.

I tend to take them in pill form with Moringa and my other vitamin supplements that I take every single day.

But yeah, they can smell bad when you're making the syrup. And Chris, the

DMSO, which is a tremendously powerful natural analgesic and anti -inflammatory is made from pine trees.

It does smell horrible. You'll smell like garlic. I recommend using peppermint oil and that will alleviate that.

But it's a tremendously potent healing agent for people who have joint and back pains or they've had sprains or broken bones, cartilage, joint, because it's just tremendously effective at penetrating and bringing healing and pain relief to parts of the body that have notoriously poor circulation, like the joints, the cartilage, bones, things like that.

So the book is full of things like this and the website has probably 10 times more than the book.

Well, we have to go to our final break right now. It's going to be a lot more brief than the other breaks. If you have a question, send it in quickly because we're rapidly running out of time.

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USA. And we have the question right here, and I have to enlarge it because it's microscopic.

So I have to enlarge this email. And Pastor Runyon's first question is, would you comment on the idea, which

I heard from my local general physician years ago, that 80 % of the ailments he saw were either things that the body would heal on its own, or they were the result of mental and emotional stress?

Yeah, probably the only comment I have is I think he's probably right. I mean, a lot of it is ailments usually come because some sort of stressor, or it could be, think of it in terms of sin, a sin of commission or a sin of omission.

It may be something you had done, perhaps something you ate or drank that may have set off your gut health in a certain way, or perhaps it's you not having the proper nutrients that you need.

I definitely believe that God created our bodies in such a way that it does want to heal itself.

I mean, it happens all the time. Your body is always making new cells, and your retina itself replicates your liver.

All of these things are constantly renewing and regenerating themselves. I would also add to that that in terms of the psychosomatic effect, fear has a known negative impact on the body's immune system.

One of the reasons why I believe that the COVID virus has been exacerbated by the incessant pandering and fear porn that's been propagated by the media, and it's gotten people beside themselves, and that's done nothing but make them more susceptible to the virus and to the worst possible outcome of their exposure to it.

It's because the fear takes such a toll on the balance within the body and the immune system itself.

So, absolutely. Okay, Pastor Runyon's, excuse me,

I've got a tickle on my throat. Pastor Runyon's second question, I'm sure, is going to stir up some controversy, but he says,

Deuteronomy 28 displays a pretty strong connection between faithfulness to God and physical health under the old covenant.

Has that connection disappeared under the new covenant? Yeah, interesting question from Gordon.

I definitely talk about that in the book in the second chapter with regard to right around verse 50,

I think, somewhere in there, Deuteronomy 28, God's covenantal sanction for disobedience.

The first 14 verses are blessings, but the rest of the chapter is cursings, and one of those is inflammation and fever and sickness, and Jeremiah himself speaks to this issue.

And so I think that there are certain aspects of God's judgments, being inscrutable, of course, as they are, that we can predict to some degree through God's historical feedback, that's what sanctions are, that perhaps things aren't going the way they are.

I mean, just look at America, for example. We are not a healthy nation. We are so sick, so polluted with toxins in the air and in our water supply and the food that isn't really food, but just chemical alchemy, just the things that are made in a lab and not grown from the ground.

I don't think it's unreasonable to look at all these sicknesses and all these diseases and the things that are taking place and say, well,

Lord, maybe we should stop butchering children in the womb. Maybe we should repent of our state of psychology.

And I believe that there would be still a connection, even in the new covenant, as God does deal with individuals and nations.

Well, thank you, Pastor Gordon Runyon, and I hope to have you back on the show sometime in the near future.

We have B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who says, I was wondering if you could separate fact from fiction regarding some things that we have heard since we are children, and I'm assuming that the vast majority of people have heard these things, such as chicken soup is the best thing to have when you're suffering from a cold or flu, and also the old adage, feed a cold and starve a fever, or is it the reverse?

I never seem to remember. Well, there definitely is. We talked about this,

I think, a little while ago, a couple of weeks ago on the show, but fasting has tremendous benefits.

It resets your immune system. It can help lower inflammation in your body.

So, you know, I'm not going to say, yes, chicken soup is absolutely, as Bill said earlier, there's no silver bullet, but when it comes to oxidizing your cells through chlorine dioxide or a pain reliever like the

MSO that's been mentioned already, these are a lot of various things that you can do to provide your body the environment that it needs to heal.

And Chris, let me add, just if I may, a brief antidote concerning some of the people that you've had on your show and that you know and love as we all do, and this underscores the practical implications of the information in the book.

George Grant had reached out to me before, George is a dear friend, and he had reached out to me before the book ever came out talking about his ongoing bronchitis that he'd had since childhood, and he puts his body through great stress, and so I made some recommendations relative to antimicrobials and nutrition, and since he began using that, he had commented to me he had not had another bronchial outbreak.

I met with Jeff Durbin, who had suffered, as many people know, had suffered from several mysterious seizures, and I was in Jeff's home in Arizona, and he made a comment to me, he said, you diagnosed my problem before my neurologist did.

Wow. You told me that it was, that he said, you told me that it was probably the result of medication

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And another case, a guest you recently had on, Bill Kaiser, Dr. Kaiser, who I love, and his wife

Kathy, both successfully treated their COVID with the chlorine dioxide that we told them about, and he said it worked marvelously.

They had minimal symptoms. Very quickly, they got through it, and so these are just things that, you know,

I'm no doctor, but you don't have to have a medical degree to know how to heal people if you just simply have some of this life -giving information that is

God's information, and so, and this is the sort of thing that people will learn and get from this book, and how it can have practical implications, and I would dare say that if elders in sessions, if they have pastors and they're aging and they want to keep them around and keep them behind the pulpit, help get them this book and get them on some of these nutritional protocols that, to extend their time in service.

We want to keep them around as long as we can, healthy and strong. Well, very quickly,

Dr. Garwood, what do you hope this book will do for the future of Christendom? You know, at a foundational level,

I just hope that we can help people, help people get out of the rat race that is the medical establishment today, take these pills, and oh, just stay on them, and you know, keep people basically a slave to the medical establishment that really doesn't know how to heal you, just wants to continue to make a dime off of you, and so I'm hoping that the book will flip all of that on its head and restore biblical self -government to people.

It's your health, you need to take it back, it's your responsibility, don't farm out that to Big Pharma.

Well, I want to make sure our listeners have your website for your church, crosscrownchurch .com, crosscrownchurch .com,

and of course the other website that we mentioned, healthforalloflife .com. I want to thank both

Dr. Garwood and Bill Evans for being on the program today, and I want you all to have a safe and happy and blessed and Christ -honoring weekend and Lord's Day, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater