Ghosts and Aliens - part 1 | S7 E2

Boom bop pow, welcome back to the point -taking podcast guys today.

We had a really really awesome episode We need a lot of right now. Yeah Our hand gestures were right on point with two of our dear friends brother

Parker Brian And and brother bill for it. I don't think they're dear more like lion friends.

All right I hated that and we can cut this entire segment. There are The episode Let's ditch the episode if you're anything like me this may somewhat frustrate you however, it's certainly worth the time

Certainly worth the listen because it was super interesting and I actually learned a whole lot guys

So we really hope you enjoy the episode and without further ado. Let's get into it Parker and I were talking earlier and Parker was trying to Do the podcast for the podcast started and We were talking about and he he mentioned something about purgatory.

No, that was you Was not me. Well, go ahead. What was your point that you were trying to make with you only have two destinations?

so I Have personal experience that I was gonna get into but like biblically speaking our

Either go to heaven or hell wouldn't we die? We don't linger for unfinished business or whatever else.

So a ghost can't technically be what people think it is Biblically, that's all that's the only point

I was making. So what is a ghost? well We know because of biblical evidence that there's spirits

And I think that that is part of it. Obviously, we know demons exist, but there's they're not all over the place

Just you know haunting everybody like people think they are. Oh, those are my demons. That's not what I mean

I do believe that there are evil spirits, but I have a different belief as well that And this is just me.

There's no nothing biblically that argues against it necessarily, but it's Like someone's personhood their spirit can leave an imprint on people like you're different for meeting

Brother Bill or hunter, right so Can that also imprint some?

Some place on the earth, right? I've seen things that seem like seen and heard things that Had nothing to do with me.

I was in the room that something happened in and For instance my

Ex -step -mom's mom passed away in the room that I started Owen eggs my ex -step -mom

Her mom got away in the room that I lived in prior to me living in that room and the bed was in the same position too and there were times

I'd walked in and saw Her laying in a position that I'd seen her in before I'd heard her voice in the room

I'd heard I'd seen her moving around in the room briefly and I had some weird experiences when

I was really young Over at my grandparents house, but they bought that house new so I don't know what was there beforehand

But it was nothing that ever addressed me nothing that ever talked to me It was like something was happening.

I was watching it was almost like watching a watching TV while in the room like it had nothing to do with me and then there's experiences

I've had with Things that were very clearly messing with me as I got older, which is part of my testimony that I do believe something was

Following part of my family, but that's a different Those are two completely different things. So spirit versus some type of imprint that's been left by to kind of mating spirit

Could be an impersonating spirit What do you mean by impersonator a spirit that knew

The person in question and then could come back in person aiding spirit

I'm gosh now. Is that what you're getting at or you more getting at? In other words when you say

I want to make sure when you say Leave an imprint on a place since places aren't sentient

Mm -hmm. Are you meaning that more of what he's saying and impersonating spirit meant to Act like that person in that place that you saw or are you saying there can be something spiritually left in a place

From someone who used to be there So the latter is what my impression of it has been but it could be either way

I'm not sold either way, which is the reason I asked the question about ghosts to be brought up but It I don't really know

I wanted to have a discussion about it and get some more biblical answers about it because I'm pretty sold on evil spirits being a thing it but whatever

I saw But when it comes to Like a ghost sticking around we know that their soul is somewhere else.

It's not here anymore so what is that and we know and we know that like My soul will not become omnipresent and can be like God So we know that yes, and we have a promise aura or something was left

Something like that. I don't I don't have a name for it. My personal opinion and my personal

Well opinion about it has been that it's some type of imprint left on that space by what we are

Which is was created by God. We're the only beings on earth like this or so It's like almost like a part of your personhood was left and left an imprint on that space

I Don't know how to explain it any deeper than that So you're saying that this these like imprints can?

Be imprinted upon and obviously you said you don't know but on a person or a place and in your experience like in that room

Like you would see and you would hear yeah heard more than saw but there were a couple times

I very clearly saw something it was very obviously hurt so so If if we were gonna use the word haunted for example

Your view is not there is a spirit trapped between heaven and hell in that place.

You're not there You're saying I don't know what to call it, but there's some type of imprint

Yes of that person that is there or it could be an impersonating spirit

I don't know this what's what I wanted to kind of try to get to the bottom of so if it was the first one

Mm -hmm How would you word it in a sense in other words is that imprint sentient?

Doesn't know that it's no. I do not believe it is It's almost like a replay of something that's happened before it's not like it's speaking to you or making different decisions.

It's like Something that was left there is almost like a recording Hmm, I don't know

There's nothing that I've seen biblically that argues for or against anything like that. I've been trying to find a biblical answer for that so it if a spirit makes more sense, then

And what and what would an impersonating spirits purpose be in your mind though?

confusion confusion confusion One of the definitions

I saw it's like they're an unresolved trauma

Has kept them Willfully or Unwillingly trapped in this

Time And we've all seen that and it would to me it would

Sort of be pushing you towards reincarnation Like you have a you have a choice on when you leave and go into the next world

You know that's that is a Secular definition.

Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. So in your mind Whatever Parker's describing if we want to use the word impression would always be when

I say negative would always be Of Satan not of God. Is that what you're getting at or you're not going that far?

Okay, if the purpose is confusion, obviously that's not of God. Our God is not a god of confusion. Yeah, right.

Okay Okay. I mean this isn't an unheard of thing. Sure cuz

I mean even you watch any You know shows like if you've ever watched supernatural they have something called the echoes

Have you ever noticed that every show on the History Channel has nothing to do with history, but they're all interesting But they're not about history at all

Yeah But I mean, it's not the only thing but it's like based in there, you know little writing

TV world It was this person went through something sudden and traumatic and that's how they died

Mm -hmm, and then they just their spirit replays it and so it's like you you go into the house or the area

So if they were hit by a car, you know Maybe they're in a neighboring house and they just are echoing that those last few moments of their life

Right before they die Which is kind of what this reminded me of just like it kind of seems like something like that With that impression that you made just like you see or hear little bits of their time that they were alive

Not talking directly to you, but just as if they were still there. Yeah, I mean she She was suffering of cancer and dying of cancer when all this stuff was going on Which is what

I what I believe that I witnessed was like a replay of that I Don't see how of course,

I don't know. Mm -hmm. It's reason I asked but I don't see how something that Wasn't significant could leave some type of impression like that.

So No, I've got a thought on that okay, so I I Think so,

I don't think I'm gonna go as far as to say that an impression can be left on a place I don't think I'm gonna go that far.

But here's what I will say. So for example, I think it's important that we solidify the biblical teaching that Right now spirits are either

Eternally away from God or eternally with God The only part of them that is left here is

Their body physical body is physical body, right, right Their soul slash their mind their personality is with their spirit.

And here's how I know that so let me I'm going too fast so if we view ourselves The way the

Bible views us is having a body in a spirit Soul is that which makes us us so all those movies

Freaky Friday Trading whatever right? It's like It's like if Parker's personality were put in my body and my person

I would this is a bad example because we have almost same body type, but I was putting the parkers, right? but the idea being our souls are

Connected to our spirits in the eternal place and we know that because the few pictures we get into heaven or hell

Even without the physical body that person's identified by their name By who that so remember the rich man

Lazarus He has his own personality still intact from when he was on earth.

Both of them Do he's able to talk to Abraham whose body is still somewhere buried in the

Middle East as Abraham You don't mean So I I want to go that far.

I would not send their impressions left on places. However, here's what I will say the universe is a

Spiritual place in the sense that in reality The physical world is the temporary not fake.

It's not fake. That's not true It's it's the temporary one. The spiritual world is the eternal one

This world is passing away We all understand that now that is not to say that in heaven and earth.

We won't have bodies We will they'll just be spiritual bodies, but we will have bodies one day But the point

I'm getting at is this At this even though I would say no impressions that The whole of the person is in heaven or hell

We have impacts on this place God told Adam the ground is cursed because of you so Not impressions in the sense of maybe as far as you're taking it, but consequences

The ground is cursed because of man The reason why it's hard to grow plants and thorns and thistles the reason why dogs get sick and trees died is because of man

So there are consequences to our existence in this mostly spiritual universe

I Would say that I would also say that what we do has eternal significance and That it can press upon people not just on their physical bodies but When we do the will of God when we share the love of Jesus when we make an impact on somebody

It's not just the brain That brings that to memory 15 years down the road when you're dead and gone

It is the work of the Spirit bringing that work that you did to their mind and to their heart

So that they can act on it so I Would say it's important for us to confess what the

Bible teaches that the whole of the Spirit goes to be with God It goes to be away from God, which we've already said.

I would say that I'm not so fast When I hear of things happening that can't only happen

That can't happen in a purely physical world, I don't immediately dismiss it because this is not a purely physical world it's just not in fact, that's actually the

Lesser significant more temporary part of the world is the physical world if you want to think of it that way

Yeah, I'll say and just to start it off I think I'll say I don't believe in any of that I I personally

I don't believe In any of that. I I just don't see it. However, I will say this

I Have always had fairly strong opinions and I would make very quick judgments,

I think because of those convictions, but I've come to to be thinking about it and I'm wondering it's kind of similar in the same way of mythology think of like why do multiple countries have

Historical myths of dragons all Originating from their own continent right not being shared like it's not just trying those dragons existed would be the would be those logical

Lot mm -hmm, right and so, you know that is it necessarily a hundred percent true?

No, but is that more logical in the same way? even though I do not believe in You know,

I don't really believe the word goes. We don't believe in God. I don't believe in goes I I don't really believe in the imprint thing or anything.

However instilled inside of me when odd things happen that are not that don't

Click in my head as natural or normal. There is a fear There's like a natural like you're afraid someone's watching you and there's no one behind you, right?

There's there's something about that there. There's a natural fear instilled in Most people why our horror movies typically spirits and ghosts like why is that the case?

You know in our natural being if that's if there's nothing to it, you know

So like just on the for argument from somebody who knows I I don't disagree with you

I definitely do not believe in ghosts, especially in a traditional way. What I'm trying to find out is

An explanation for what I did experience because I experienced something it could very well be just something in me

What I'd experienced that now I didn't see Some of the things that I saw and heard weren't things that I necessarily saw and heard in person

But could have happened in that room So that's what

I'm trying to explain. I don't have like any super strong opinions on it It's just what

I've tried to make sense of it Is it really all it boils down to because it was something it could have just like I said been something that was within me

That made me think I saw something or think I heard something and I'm not gonna dismiss that as a possibility

It's just it feels like it's happened. Yeah the experience half right one way or another

Yeah, you try to say something. Oh, you were talking about the fear that was ingrained in you

Perhaps superstition is part of our basic human nature and Yeah, something strange happens.

Yeah here on your arm stands. I mean, but why would that be? You know, I I think what

Bill was getting at earlier is the key to almost all of Instances like what

Parker described and I'm gonna use the word almost on purpose for a moment because all Satan is a god

What? In a sense a god of confusion but for for the lack of clarity

Is a spirit of confusion, yeah The best way to confuse people is to say things that are almost 100 % true.

Yeah 100 % Okay, so Remember back in the garden

He doesn't say to Eve and Adam. There is no God That would have been a very unconvincing lie.

They saw him. They heard him. That's that would not have been a very convincing lie He said did

God really say? In other words, I'll let you believe that God is omniscient all -powerful all -knowing

I'll let you believe that he created all you can keep all that But let's doubt his word

And what he has said to you. Did he really say that that was the first lie that he said to man?

So It is amazing that That Satan binds people up with things that are mostly true like humans or spiritual creatures

Right, and then he takes that to extremes of having people hyper focused on loved ones that have departed and Instead of being at peace with where they're at teaches them some lies that they're in some in -between land and Speaking to you to your

TV, you know things like that And Satan's really good at his job

But I would say while And again

We don't know all the workings of Satan. I think if God right now revealed to us every plan

Every demonic influence thing that happens in our nation, for example, I think we'd be blown away because so little of it is

Possessional control and so much of it is influence and I think One of the things we have to remember is how wicked is our world?

I'll just give you two examples. And if I get the talking too much you tell me to shut up That's Too much

Let's start with humans, let's start with humans the darkest book in the entire Bible is the book of Judges.

It's a hard read I Don't read parts of it before I go to bed.

It's a hard read The last Senate says for there was no king in Israel and everyone did what was right in their own eyes

This is how evil humans are not that everyone was trying to do bad Everyone did what was right in their own eyes and we have the most violent most gruesome most sexually perverse

Horrific things happen in that Because everyone did what they thought was right Totally let your conscience be your

God is what Jiminy Cricket tells us. That's what it gets us. Listen to your heart. Yeah, right And the other one is

Ephesians 2 that says that every human being prior salvation is Walking according to the ways of Satan Well, how are they walking according to the

Saints ways of Satan not with Ouija boards for the most part or tarot cards I don't know how to pronounce that word tarot.

Yeah That's not the norm the norm is By teaching them to look inward

By teaching them and distracting them with everything other than God Humanism and the way to do that is to have a lot of God ish things

That they're looking at. I'm not a Christian. I'm spiritual. Yes Yes, or I'm a

Christian and being a Christian is the gospel plus Yeah, it's it's getting as close to the truth as you can because that's where the best lies

Happen whenever I mess with someone and trying to convince them Joking that that I'm right and they're wrong and I realize

I'm wrong. Like let's say it said Well, you're the one who who did that.

I'll say things that day that were true You don't remember us going to he was that day? Yeah, and you ordered the one without onion so I could have the leftover and I just say a bunch of things that are

True and then I say and then this I'm like, you know, I do remember all that I guess you're right. It works wonders That's a joke but I'll never trust you

Right over here, um, but you know when it comes back to the thing with ghost

I Think hunter said it right and Parker. I think we're all on the same page.

There is no such thing as trap spirits There is no such thing as absolutely not with God. There's no such thing as that The only thing

I will say is God Works in mysterious ways and so does

Satan That's as far as I can go with that. God works in mysterious ways. So to say, but here's here's what I would say for sure

I don't think There are places that I go Where there's so little of the presence of God, I feel it when

I go there I've talked this way about New Orleans. Yes. I've talked that way. Yeah.

Yeah, I've been there eight or nine times I felt that way before not picking on anyone who might listen this from New Orleans. It's a fact

I Don't go as far as to say then that means that's a permanent impression of that place

I can never know if if God's people there who are called by his name humble themselves and pray

Not just the world if God's people the remnant humble themselves and pray and seek his face and he will turn and heal the land

You know God can do that anywhere with God's people. So yeah as far as your specific experience

I've got about a million questions. I could ask of who what when where why but I think In general if we keep those big obvious things, there are no trap spirits

And those kind of things I don't see any other time in the

Bible describing what you described where a Impression of a person's soul or spirit is left on a place.

I'm trying to think of a single time It was just an idea That's that's one of those things where it there's nothing that I've seen in the

Bible that Says yes, that's possible or no, that is that is impossible, which is in I'm paraphrasing greatly here, but the

Bible does say that there are things that we do not know and We will know them in the future.

They will be revealed to us And I just kind of chalk it up to be One of those things where it's not it's just something we don't know about yet.

Sure Or it could have just been in my own head. So there's that All right, so let's let's talk about so we've had our opinions they're based biblically

Usually let's look in the Bible where we have right. So right now obvious. I'm going to the obvious one first Samuel 28

And this is one of our best It's it's gonna be your what is my opinion is the best argument or really just example of spiritualism and That realm we've done this for the podcast before we have yeah, and we've talked about it

But now we're gonna do it in a slightly new light because now we're raising the question Well, what's the difference between a soul and a spirit?

Spiritual bodies versus non spiritual bodies being called by their name even though they don't have a body

So as I read this, I'd like us to figure out okay, did the witch call up a spirit a ghost or a soul and And just keep thinking on that.

So this is King Saul He had put out a hit basically on all the spiritualists and the mediums said cut their heads off Yada, yada

Then he goes unless he needs their correction unless he needs their help then he goes in disguise

Don't do that, right? No No Yeah, just think about armed security

Anti -gun unless they're protecting me Then he goes in disguise to the medium and the mediums just like hey

I shouldn't be doing this because the king is Beheading all of us and then Saul who is the king is just like no, it's totally fine so let's go to first Samuel 28

Starting in verse 8. So Saul disguised himself putting on other clothes and at night he and two men went to the woman

Consult a spirit for me. He said and bring up for me the one I named But the woman said to him surely, you know what

Saul has done. He's cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land Why do you have to why have you set a trap for me my life to bring about my death

Saul swore to her by the Lord as As surely as the

Lord lives you will not be punished for this Then the woman asked who shall I bring up for you?

Bring up Samuel. He said When the woman saw Samuel she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul Why have you deceived me you are

Saul All Already there should be some questions here. The king said to her don't be afraid.

What do you see? So he doesn't see it. The woman said I see a ghostly figure

Coming up out of the earth. What does he look like? He asked an old man wearing a robe is coming up Then Saul knew it was

Samuel and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground Samuel said to Saul why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?

All right lots of things to See here

One it seems that she has access to bring up whomever Who do you want me to bring up Samuel done?

It's like okay bring up Do we have a different translation of that does your say bring up the translate most of the translations

I've seen since he sought out a woman with a familiar spirit With a familiar spirit, right?

Instead of this the New King James has medium but if she had a familiar spirit, then she was aware of this things in the supernatural

And Probably she made her living by bringing up false spirits

False yeah, I mean, okay If somebody paid her to bring up the spirit of uncle

George sure then there would be like an impersonating so Spirit Oh an impersonating so that's exactly what

I was about to get out But Bill said it a hundred times better than I ever will but the point what he just said

Yeah, she doesn't seem shocked that she's able to do this. She wasn't no she does she seems freaked when when

Samuel comes up when it's Sam. So it's like, you know, did God allow some special Dispensation here

So you would have had to if that was him because this sounds a whole lot like people trying to assume powers that only

God Has well if they're bringing so are we are we saying ghost up?

Are we saying that beforehand? She was not bringing anybody up and when suddenly

Samuel appeared. She's like, oh crap. This is for real. I Think what we're getting at is

You can word it however you want Satan through demonic spirits Led people to believe that what they were bringing up previously was the spirit of their loved ones

But it was really demon a you you follow me on this. Okay We have

God Allowing as far as I am aware the only time in the entire Bible Okay, I'll let you actually talk to Samuel One time look at look at verse 15

Samuel said to Saul Yeah, and then Samuel said this

I've been verse 16 and verse 20 Yeah, it's actually

Samuel here. So I think Bill is spot -on. I think what we Satan's the great deceiver.

I Think I think what we have here is exactly what we have with all the false gods. Watch this

Everyone how many gods are there? Well, biblically you have to say one. Yeah. So what do we do with?

Hundreds of passing the Old Testament about bail about you know, I'm sure and I think the answer is very simple

Bail the God does not exist however, Satan using demonic spirits allows magicians to do things like he did with Pharaoh allows

Idols to move allows Them to think there was actually a god out there named

Bale Allows them to think there's actually a god out there named Anubis allows them to actually think there's actually a

God of the river or something like that. What that is is spiritual demonic powers

Deceiving making people think there's actually a god like that, right?

But there were principalities and powers 100 % like the Prince Persia princess exactly.

Yeah, exactly Those are all I won't say minions of Satan again to deceive

The purpose is to deceive and what a great deception Yeah, and what a great deception that is

I think what Bill said right here is this is the only time we have where Yahweh allows one of his own one of his own

To come speak to a living person in this case Saul Well, that's the only way it would have happened because there's no way that a human being could assume power

Now that's if we're talking about the soul So it's like is there a difference between the soul the spirit or the imprint or the whisper or whatever you want to call?

Visible how do you define a spirit right that that's the question that's what

I was saying with this is is there a possibility and which I've already stated my belief is no, but what

I'm saying is for those who still who are saying like wait Is there a possibility that not

Samuel with notwithstanding? Samuel's obviously different, but is there a possibility that that which

Was not faking every time and it wasn't just a demon Maybe I misunderstood

I'm not saying she was faking. She really believes bringing up the Lie detector test she would think she was bringing up spirits of people, right?

She was surprised when Samuel Samuel showed up then because she could actually recognize that it was

Samuel She could see him in his form. He was wearing robes and he was an old man

So could she not see them in their forms beforehand, I think we would assume no okay, right because either either she was a phony a big fat phony or She was bringing up.

The interesting part of this passage is when she sees it Samuel She knows she knows it's all his soul when she sees it

Samuel. She knows this guy. I saw got you that's the interesting part of which there's a couple reasons you could think that and I've never been able to solidify my

But the best I have up to why just point me to the verse 12

Yes, I saw Samuel and cried with a loud voice because remember She is most likely

Someone who has been removed from Israel by Saul and Samuel because remember Saul is the one who declared the edict

Well, Samuel is the prophet to the king. So she probably was familiar with them

Their parents what they look like it says he disguised himself Yeah, but he can't make himself short and he was a particularly tall dude

So they're already afraid of Saul and then this tall shows up obviously whatever has been happening in her life

It never happened like this So she saw something it was able to recognize him as Samuel So this was a unique experience for what however, we want to interpret that and then she knew

This must be Saul. Mm -hmm and He's asking for his prophet the one who gave him

God's word to come give him one more word And by the way, it's not a good word. Well, does it? Does it say that she was surprised that she could see

Samuel it says when the woman saw Samuel She cried out at the top of her voice and said it's all why have you deceived me?

Well since verse 11 He said specifically bring up Samuel Verse 12. Why would she cry with a loud voice when she saw

Samuel? See that's what I'm confused about if it was some type of spirit that she had been bringing up previously meant to deceive

Then whether that she thought it was actually the soul of that person or not It sounds to me like she had been seeing

What she believes the actual person right from the ground. It doesn't mean they were recognizable

Yeah, it doesn't mean oh, that's true Fair heard something heard something whisper shadow.

We have to have to be actually a gear Yeah, cuz that's what's confusing shadowy figury heard something kind of like like that you so yes, she sees

Samuel so never never before we're assuming never before she has seen something that's clear and just to be straightforward with you

That would tell us Because the Bible says that those who are God's children are safe isn't in his arms once they die

This is not something that could be in other words This is one of God's own which means

God permitted them to be seen back on earth That's how

I read that exactly what Bill just said before she believed that she was actually bringing up spirits of Dead people when it was demonic deception the whole time, but this time she actually can recognize

Oh that that really is that dude? Yeah, cuz he said what do you see? He couldn't see it

She's an old person. Yeah, and but like he said, what do you see? Because we have to assume that he can't see whatever that she's seen.

So there's something special about her now I'm trying to make my determination here just like Where the spiritualists and the mediums you know

Were they known as being? sinful Like of the devil or dark.

Yes, because this was outlawed in the law of God before Saul did this this was outlawed and Deuteronomy or Leviticus Don't go under them with who have just a mere spirits.

Yeah Yes What God forbids that what I'm finding really interesting is because you know,

I grew up with the impersonation of if a psychic is legit

That's demonic like most of them have craft right? We're so most of them have the little machines under the table.

Yeah, and you know, they're they're fake But if you ever come across one that is legit don't mess around with it

But it's because it's demonic but if you think about it in this context right here, even the demonic ones are running scams

Because all they're doing is saying bringing up another one of their buddies. They're like a phone. You know, that's what's happening

But what I'm saying the demonic power are using their own power to show themselves

Not your dead relatives or whatever So it's still if you go to them that is a legit one who is seeing something that you cannot see and is something spiritual

What we're saying if it's an impersonating spirit, it's still basically a scam. Yeah, the deceit is so deep even the person

Getting scanning scam. Yeah, but you know, no, it's got something. It's the same thing with false teaching.

Mm -hmm like I'll use Joel soon as Joel seemed as he know what he's doing is is demonic as evil is wrong is is

Dragging people to hell and the biblical answer that is yes and no The biblical answer that is from Peter it says they are deceiving and being deceived man

Yeah, they are deceiving and being deceived. So in other words, you started to believe your own lies

Deceiving and being deceived is the biblical answer to that. I think it's the same thing with with with the same.

I thought that was funny Oh, yeah Like it's still expected honesty

Well, no, it's just like because you have that assumption just like Oh demonic power

Power, right, right. But what power do they actually have right? They have something like they can you know

Copy some of the miracles right in their own way, but can they bring a soul from damnation or from heaven?

No, well, it's kind of like it's kind of raw the Sun God of Egypt. Yeah, he did not let those magicians

There is no such thing as raw. Sure But there's demonic power who turned some sticks in the snakes to help convince people that raw exists.

Yeah, exactly, right now But there's limitations of that when God says so like they go. Yeah, we can do that when we can do that Water the blood or whichever one they couldn't do some of them for Yeah, and God's like and even if the good

God said I'm done I'm doing this one So you were trying to say something many go though It's all to keep the person that came to the medium

Keep them to see exactly keep them into the witchcraft mentality and away from God The struggle comes to kill and deceive and destroy

Well, I mean strategy and coordination When is somebody the most successful Susceptible to something like that or to come into Christ right that that is you are looking for answers

So if Satan can get to you first Right and keep you deceived then you don't look oh looking for answers for actually you what you want to hear.

Yeah man Brother Bill, there's a brother

Bill had a verse that he showed me before we started I was wanting him to read for no, it was Matthew 14 26

And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled saying it is a ghost and they cried out for fear

When the disciples saw Jesus walk on the water and then when he walked through the wall, yeah after resurrection

They thought he was a ghost, right? Lot of superstition So we know and see that's another thing.

We know ghosts don't exist in the sense of it being someone's soul But just like you were talking about with dragons, right?

It ghosts exists in almost every form of culture throughout

History, so there has to be something to ascertain that Satan uses. Yes death especially death of loved ones to deceive to take advantage of the

Emotional turmoil there and he actually does things in order to keep them sometimes kept in grief

Sometimes deceived into believing lies Etc. We're gonna psychosis.

Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like, you know Someone I know has some meditation rocks

Gems is that you know, though the crystals. Yeah, those are absolutely pointless. Yeah Mm -hmm.

They're pretty but if I were Satan and I wanted to keep someone deceived I would let them feel

Relaxed, you know, you know, I mean it to keep someone deceived. That's the idea behind those rocks can't

They're they're Walmart trinket toys and not really but you understand the point. They're they're that pointless but Deceiving and being deceived he is

The father of lies it's how the Bible talks about him. That's what he does. He's the best liar ever to exist

Matthew 24 over and over and over Jesus says be not deceived That's why he's that's why he goes in like such extreme about who got

I heard this said a long time ago It's so right. I'm gonna use an analogy.

I don't know if this is true, but the idea was if the US Treasury Department hires 10 new people

There are 12 million ways to make counterfeit money You can't study them all.

Yeah, but they hand them a $1 bill and a 5 and a 20 and whatever and they just have them with a magnifying glass a real one go over every detail and The point being is don't look at the listen

I don't have time to teach you all 17 ,000 ways that people make counterfeits if you just know what the real one looks like perfectly in and out

You will always be able to catch a counterfeit No matter how much you always be able all like you count how many of the little yellow 20 is on the back you got it and it can't be reproduced if you know what the real one looks like and so the idea is

There's a million ways Satan can deceive but there's only one truth. So when scripture tells us be not deceived

Don't let little things like this to see this is how God really is This is why it's so important that even our well intending well intending brethren

Who I had I saw one the other day a local church here in Memphis He's an apostle and The other female pastors strike one our prophets

And when they post their prophecies on their blog, they post it in the first person Speaking for God awesome, as in as in God's I I'm struggling to repeat and to say

I am saying to anyone who sees this take her literally in the first person

So When he said even our well -intending brothers who believe they're receiving brand new revelations from God That They don't mean this but that is the strategy of the enemy is to deceive and confuse and say actually

God's like this So actually God's like God has said how he is and our job is to study the reality of that So we're not confused by actual counterfeits out there

Yeah, and that's something to consider is that Satan can uplift if it's a lie Like Satan can do stuff like that Maybe those prophecies are saying are super uplifting and joyful and happy and can comfort you

He offered Jesus all the treasures of the world. How do you how do you put the kingdoms of the earth? Yeah Yeah, so it's like just because you're comforted by something you feel it's wholesome and good does not mean that it's not completely completely evil

That's interesting Aliens aliens That was a wonderful segue

Yeah, you know what I think of every time I think of aliens this is a this is a character fall of me Uh -huh, though the little annoying ones with three eyes and toy story

Chosen brother What is the name of that pizza place is a pizza ref? No, it's a pizza.

It's a planet. Yeah, what's pizza rev? Yeah, it's a real place. Yeah, that that was a real place.

I didn't want right down the street, but it got So I just gave someone false. I just gave someone free advertisement, but I really

I didn't because they're not existing anymore Yeah, unless they're a chain. Oh, they left an impression on me, but they can't I mean, let's let's talk a little bit about aliens

Because there are many who This is very in to whom. This is very interesting

And they are very excited to hear about this. So a lot of moral a lot of plural

Oh my gosh I mean because you know because you know that aliens is a is a topic that everybody can get into Yeah, especially when the government comes out and says they're real dude.

That was insane. Thank you for bringing that up And they bring out this dried up little like gray

Thing with the big back. Yeah, they got this this one You see it was the Mexican government brother and he brought it up and the government came down This is and said we've been keeping this a secret

How long didn't it was this didn't the Canadian government last year operate the story before the American government came out and admitted it?

I don't remember. I know I was laughing so hard. I miss this

A screenshot of this and put it up there and I'll why is this side of a table unaware and that's

Oh my gosh, it was so funny. It's literally exact picture an alien close to Marvin the

Martian. I mean, no I mean, it's cool. It's not close to Marvin the Martian, but Picture an alien like you're gonna see this on a

Mexican or something that government I don't believe exists. That's not how you spell government

So you don't believe aliens exist at all depends on the definition of alien, but now here it is

I don't believe in space. Here it is. Yeah, and this is the picture This is what they came out with and said is an alien this that right there for real

It's what it's supposed to be an alien. That is supposed to be an alien right that I yeah I mean,

I would say you can't cover this up, but they did. Yeah, I'm gonna give this to Lowell so he can put it up I you they said that's an alien.

Hold on. Have you ever seen The Proud Family the old show? Yes Oh my gosh, and it's built like a human almost

I was like, why are we this is crazy like no one believes What movie studio had the worst?

With terrible effects and they come out as a government and say we've been keeping this a secret.

Yeah Okay, so and so obviously anybody with the brain when they saw that said, okay, what's the government doing right now?

Obviously, it's something terrible. I don't want to say Yeah, it's like let's distract them.

Hey, hey people found these corpses of people. We killed ten years ago. Let's uh, let's say they were aliens

Yeah No, okay. Yeah.

Okay. This is what? Basically what the alien grays that people are talking about This was a sketch made by Alistair Crowley Oh, I know

Alistair Crowley. Yeah this back in 1818 hundred a good friend of the

Satanist Club I got a couple friends who look like that Yeah Two are in this room

One of my favorite comedy sketches is from a group called the whitest kids, you know, and It was a it was a sketch about a government guy and he's saying alright guys

Here's the big secret aliens are real we've been lying to you and he keeps saying all these ridiculous things and then one of the reporters is like We wouldn't happen to be invading

Iran I Didn't want to cut to the chase so yes, no or don't know

All right, because we haven't defined alien yet. So let's do this living beings

Intelligent I got three right here. Oh Good send it terrestrial

Extraterrestrial or ultra terrestrials Terrestrial, I would like to know what those mean and commercial means earth.

Well, I know that but I lay in context What do we mean? How is it? How would it when it's ultra? ultra The first drill is a non -human

Living among us either underground underwater or disguised as human. This was in a report

June 14th out of with a Harvard study group reported on Fox CBS the

Economist They're living on earth Extraterrestrial the living outside of earth ultra terrestrial not terrestrial is on earth extraterrestrial is

From another world and ultra terrestrial is hidden Yeah, either underground underwater or just know that this was put out

And they're saying that there are ultra terrestrial living among us that's what that's what that's what the story was

Okay, so it's almost like lizard people. Well, it's like the story. That's what the story was.

I'm not saying it's true So let's let's let's go around what camp are you in you you and me you first?

Hmm I am Probably in between ultra terrestrial and terrestrial.

Yeah. Well, can we define real quick what terrestrial is? Cuz I still don't understand the human technology people us

Humans, but does it have to be what exactly? We're not a technology. What are we saying in terrestrial?

You're not saying there's aliens that exist. Okay help define Me and hunter of a dumb one

NPR broadcast July 27th 2023 three

US veterans including an Air Force intelligence officer Quote the

US government has created a secret multi -decade reverse engineering program of recovered vessels also recovered non -human biologics from alien crash sites

NPR broadcast July 27th 1923 so but again

What I guess what we're getting at 1923. Are you still trying to our 2020? Are you still trying to understand the definition?

Okay, so ultra terrestrial Meaning hidden somewhere beneath the earth beneath the water, right?

Yes an alien Terrestrial one from another planet Yeah now here or terrestrial meaning hidden hidden among us on the earth whether created by humans or not, right?

Hidden here, okay, but extraterrestrial meaning from outer space So because it hold on alien means not from earth

So, how is how would we consider something made by a human and alien? I agree with you

But that's just what we've been referring to. That's you can go to talking about when they talk about the UFOs.

They're either human technology Extraterrestrial technology or hold on.

Oh, they've modified it. Now. They don't call me Unidentified aerial phenomenon.

Yeah is what they're referring to now. So Long story short. Here's what

I'm asking. Yeah, yes or no Parker aliens exist. Yes.

Okay. Are they from other planets or no? No Okay, so the word alien which means foreign you're saying there are aliens that exist.

They're not from other planets Do we just got done talking about how the devil deceives, right? Yeah, that's what I'm asking.

Yes, but living beings Yes, I believe that they are living beings and I have my own opinion on where they came from and how they exist.

Okay hunter Not only do I fully reject that Hopefully reject that description.

I don't believe in aliens extraterrestrial or otherwise, okay Bill Yes. Okay.

Yes aliens exist. Yes in other planets not Spacemen, yeah, what is passing for aliens is either human or a combination of the ultra Okay, this is great.

Okay, this is why this is why this is gonna be a part two most likely. All right. No No, I don't

I don't believe okay. Let's let's start with the simplest of what I thought I do not believe in any

Intelligent life -form outside of this planet. I Don't think that coincides with the message of redemption in the

Bible I So I don't Let me clarify. I don't believe they have souls

Okay, I need so much I Try to clarify

I don't yeah, that's what you're doing. So So no if you're asking me if If I believe there is super advanced technology

That has not been disclosed to the planet that for example North Korea has flying objects that Can do things better than we thought they could of course

I'm not saying North Korea like well, you get the point, right? We've got sure so no problem there what

I'm trying to ask and I think that's what Hunter's trying to ask is the word alien Five minutes ago in this brain meant for a living thing not from this planet, right?

So what I'm asking is Are you two saying that is what you are talking about or that is not what you're talking about That's that's what

I'm talking about. I believe brother Bill is in the same camp as me, right? We just don't believe they're from another planet.

We believe that's a deception Okay but again, so Okay Right after World War two

During the Cold War first started they started seeing a bunch of stuff.

My stuff started being reported 1950 the term UFO was was coined

Yeah Yeah Are we saying they in general or are we talking about a specific country?

Just people in general people in general Soviets Kenneth Arnold June 24th 1949 so Unidentified flying objects around Mount Rainier in Washington.

Okay, America. Okay. Y 'all gave me this subject I Want to know everything you want to tell me that's what what so Let's say here's what

I'm asking. Let's say that person really saw that. Let's say that he's telling the truth. Blah blah blah, right? Okay Are you saying that Aircraft was flown by a human being or a non human

I am saying it was flown by a human being and it was part of the deception Okay, okay, okay, so are that is there intelligent life not from this planet you like space man

No, okay. So demons. Yes, of course, of course. Okay. Yeah, of course, of course

Got it there Ultimately if you want to think about it from heaven Or however, you want to work that okay.

I'm with that wishing they could go back. Okay, so right now Spiritual warfare removed for half a second

Are there physical beings on this planet that are from another planet? No, no, okay

Here's a net now follow but your point is the deception is making people think there are it's giving them hope other than Oh We are really

Okay and follow -up question just for you for now

Oh, if we believe that that was flown by a human as part of the deception Do we believe that that deception is government made?

Demonic fueled. Yes. Okay, so government made now so that so that Technology was more advanced than what they've shared with government made

Kinda in my opinion, I think we we differ a little that kind is my least favorite for that you use

Okay, I'm kind of you agree I'll find another one. I'm sorry Real quick real quick brother bill.

You do you believe that that's that's the government and that they were If that were true

Then the government would be have more advanced technology than what is being shared and they use that to Make people believe in aliens at the time

And today yesterday, okay, and then Parker, what do you believe because you said kind of how how far do you want me to muddy?

The waters is the question. I want you to be honest as You can with your opinion on this.

Okay, I'll be as brief as I possibly can with this There's a reason I didn't want to discuss this topic, but we're in it and now I'm like Okay. Yeah, so We know that the book of Enoch is not scripture there we go that is we know that I Realized thought it was history.

So here's the thing. I think that just because it's not scripture doesn't mean it can't be referred to as a

I don't think that it can't be referred to as some type of history and it being historically accurate to a certain degree.

Okay Yes, so it's historically accurate in that it was written before I Thought I was the one doing the confusing here

Was the what was that book a compilation? The book of Enoch that I put together about about 200 years before Christ Approximately.

So it was a compilation of a lot of this right? Yeah so that just cutting to the

China just completely cutting to the chase on my opinion of it is That I believe that the

Watchers that's what you want to call them came to earth. Yep and Gave us technology and ideas and Taught us things that we weren't meant to understand which is what's a six as Spoken more and taught in depth in the book of Enoch.

Yes, so I Believe that the technology for this and also to create through some type of gene manipulation or whatever some other type of being that is not an addition like created being but like taking a human and Modifying it to be some type of like hyper intelligent

Jeans because you can take people use Crisper. Yeah, we've got crisper.

We've got successful cloning Where did this technology come from because that's stuff that we're not really meant to play with.

I think it existed beforehand It was meant to be wiped out. I think if you look at what the

Bible says about Nephilim it says they existed in this time and afterwards

Right, yeah, if they existed afterwards, how did they survive? Could it be from this some type of technology keeping them in the air keeping them around or did were that more created afterwards even after the

Watchers were imprisoned in the earth, right? So are you

I think that this is ancient technology that has been around that we are Rediscovering and that's how some of the technology has grown so fast

So we're not talking about breeding like as with the Nephilim. We're talking about a

Technological, I don't believe that they are Nephilim. I believe that this is some type of technology. It was created at that time.

Okay To alter human biology, but yes altering human biology. I'm with that So well,

I'm not with that, but I'm with the understanding of that. I'm with there. Okay, and That's fine because I'm probably the only one in this table who's not with that part, but I'm understanding where we're at So, what does that have to do with alien?

That's not an alien. So I'm not saying it's an alien by definition. God. I'm saying that's what we're calling them

This is something that what other people are calling aliens from Mars is really a genetic mutation

Purposely orchestrated now half I'll say type I'll say this all almost every single

Experience people have had with you a UAPs UFOs. What do you want to call them? I believe those were created by the government and I believe that those those particular

Vehicles were are being flown around to confuse and deceive us.

I need your help with something And not a sense of mocking when I hear people say that created by the government the

United States government or the Russian government during the time of Cold War, okay, like they have the technology.

So here's what I'm asking The United States government is really sitting at this table.

Truly if we're truly a representative democracy now, it doesn't work that way Tonight Cameras aren't caps.

We have tens of thousands if we just take Congress. Yeah Just take

Congress. We're hundreds of people Are you telling me that every one of them are in on this deception?

No, no There is so when you say the government you made a small percentage yeah

So without going super deep into it if you look into a guy named Stephen Greer he actually

Went to Congress here recently. There is somebody I've had this conversation with very recently who I think you have had this conversation

Possibly there's a okay. So I really know who needs to be up in this room Why you didn't have him?

I tried moving on so My point being is that he has been trying to bring these amazing hands like him.

Just cover up that pinky Actually, I think it's that's cool.

Um, so I Don't know. I there's not enough time to really deep dive off into that.

Like this is This is a huge topic, but I have gotten some clarity

I really have when I'm getting that right now so far where we're at so far where we're at is

Spaceman other Mars Jupiter Saturn. No, there is no living. Yeah Intelligent beings existing there period we're so all four of us are on that camp agreed.

Yes Yeah, Billy, you're on that camp to know living beings tomorrow. No intelligent intelligent.

Yeah, I'm gonna come up froze I'm not my ice right? Yeah, we're talking like maybe the path. Okay, so good now the question is the sightings

UFOs Whatever new phrase we want to give them every few years to read our interests the

We're saying that that is in Parker's view ancient technology rediscovered or ancient technology finally being used

Again that has been hidden for us fine I wouldn't say finally because you know, he's pulling up stuff from the 1920s and there's been yeah, but in the world

Yeah, that's only recently Relatively, okay has been rediscovered or just not being you

I believe that it was rediscovered I believe this technology existed beforehand. It was studied.

It is being it has now been Reused there are my organizations.

There are organizations that are funded by the government that Do experiments and this is very well documented.

I'll have to if we're doing a part two I can bring names and stuff like that. I've done some research in this but It's it's been a while But they have been testing these spacecrafts and everything else and it's and there's documentation of it not just the documentation on news reports, but I mean there's there's

These these organizations exist. I mean it's like not that DARPA is necessarily a part of that but in like DARPA and them creating these exosuits and That the dog that Walks all over the place and can act like a dog but can open doors and it's fully autonomous for you know, fully autonomous still has to be controlled to a certain extent, but These there's so many different technologies out there and I think we're growing faster.

I think a good a Good defense of that is that we're our technology seems to be moving faster and faster and faster

I think about computers. They took up this entire room something that couldn't process what our cell phone processes now

Where do we get that technology from? How did how do we go from that just a few years ago like we're talking about in our lifetime

Right that where this stuff never existed before now all of a sudden we're just booming and it's happening out of nowhere, right?

So I think there's a lot of technology that we pulled from Rediscovering things that had already existed in the past.

That's that's where I'm at with it Okay So in your mind it can't be a building off Staying on the shoulders of people before and building and building and building has to be

I think that that's a part of it Can be to an extent but yeah, I think what he's saying with how quickly in Progress it would be adding from and I think

I think with that being said Like what brother bill was saying What we're seeing now are human -made aircrafts that are being

Explained away as UAPs UFOs I believe that is a majority a vast majority of what is witnessed when we when it's witnessed

And what out where I'm going with this was not if what they are

Or who made them, but why? They've been planting a seed in our brain since the 30s with like the

World War was broadcast. Yeah. Yeah And they had all the pulp magazines from the 50s

And then all the movies all the B movies in the 50s it came from outer space

Stuff But the Hysteria start started in 1947 as did the

Cold War There was the Roswell and this incident in 47

Israel became a nation in 48 The Dead Sea Scrolls were

Discovered about that time Seems to me. Okay.

There was the Washington UFO incident in 1952 Yeah, I mean it was like things were being planted in people's brains

To have hope Okay Other than the

Bible is part of the Great Deception Particularly, I think it's interesting that if if we're to go with that which you know

I I think there's a lot of logic in that to be happening around the Cold War and the space race

Where we are really really really intertwined with technology and saying our hope is

Get there before the Russians and please government, you know, these have

NASA get that technology there Yeah, bring the Nazi scientists over to help us do it.

Yeah, they're not communist So hunter this is a horrible place to have to leave off, but since we have to go

I think we're gonna have to continue this but I think we've gotten somewhere I really do now that I understand that the concept of alien all that stuff

I think the key point of what brother bill just said is the truth Regardless of not or whether or not we all fall in the same category, which

I don't think we do of that The truth is Satan's job is to deceive and I always bring us away

From the truth of God's work and he can do that through fear he can do that through False hope he can do it through a lot of things and that's why the scripture

That's why the scripture time and time again tells us to know the scripture to know the glory of God To know him and know who he is and that's how we fight against deception.

All right Well, hey guys, thank you guys for coming on. Are y 'all willing to come back so we can finish this later Sure, yeah, that's a yes.

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