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- Our Father in heaven, it's a blessing to be here this morning to be among brothers and sisters in Christ those who
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- Call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and trust in him entirely and we know that this has only happened because of your great power because of your love with which
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- You loved us even before we existed Father we pray that this morning as we talk about your sovereignty and salvation that you would
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- Just bring these things afresh to our minds and that for those of us who are sitting here and just kind of Confused unsure
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- Lord, I pray that you would by your Holy Spirit bring clarity this morning Many of these things are difficult to understand but father we
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- They're they're containing your word We need to wrestle with them and to understand them and I pray that you'd bless each one here in Jesus name.
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- Amen All right, so we've been going through a true -false quiz on the sovereignty of God in salvation and you know
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- David was at our house last night and he said today is The Super Bowl and by that he meant because I'm doing
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- Sunday school and I'm preaching and I'm like, well, I don't know if I'd say the Super Bowl exactly
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- Probably more like the World Cup. No, no, no But it is sort of a double -header because we're going to be talking about the sovereignty of God in salvation twice
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- It's not going to be a direct repeat by the way just in case you were wondering So we're up to our number 11 on this quiz and I've been instructed by somebody with a slightly higher authority to move things along Where is she?
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- So number 11 True or false it is not the duty of the non -elect to believe in Christ for salvation
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- Calvinist do not believe in the free offer of the gospel now anytime. There's a true or false question
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- What is what? What do you have to do? I? Mean besides answer true or false
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- Any true or false question? What do you have to examine what as you're reading the question all parts of it?
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- And if any part of it is false, then the whole thing's false, right? so It is not the duty of the non -elect to believe in Christ for salvation.
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- Is that true or false? It is not the duty of the non -elect.
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- Who are the non -elect? Unregenerate people and people who will never be regenerated.
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- Is it their duty to believe in Christ for salvation? Does God say to all men believe in the
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- Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved? I'm gonna give you guys some coffee. Everybody gets free coffee on me
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- Later. Yes, everybody has to believe so the fact that the non -elect are not going to believe doesn't excuse them
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- The second part of the question do not Calvinist do not believe in the free offer of the gospel. That part is false
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- We absolutely believe that the gospel should be Spread without prejudice
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- That is to say that everybody needs to hear about Jesus Christ Everybody needs to hear the free offer of the gospel
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- So it is not the duty of the non -elect to believe in Christ for salvation boy. I really worded that clumsily.
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- Thank you That's the whole point of a true or false question right is to trick the class. So This is what
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- Waldron says he says this is indeed the doctrine of a few hyper Calvinists Man, I should have put this on the cheat sheet.
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- What is a hyper Calvinist? Brian Let me give you the microphone because that was very well said
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- He's we should have a microphone in here. That was good Brian They believe so firmly in the sovereignty of God That they believe
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- God's gonna save everybody no matter what we do the ones that he's supposed to save or that he's chosen to save So that we don't have any responsibility at all
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- Now I I would say in examinings Brian examinings in examining
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- Brian's statements, I Would have to give it a false Why because he says they believe so firmly in the sovereignty of God.
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- What do they really do if if the sovereignty of God is one?
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- truth and the responsibility of man is another They say well
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- This doesn't exist This is all there is right in other words, they hear the
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- Great Commission they go. Yeah. Yeah, but ultimately, it's not a matter of our Urgency our need to go preach the gospel.
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- It's ultimately just like well, we're just gonna let go and let God That's kind of hyper
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- Calvinism They wouldn't put it that way but 1689 Our confession of faith says this
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- Moreover man having brought himself under the curse of the law by his fall, right? We're all in Adam We've been talking about that so that we are
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- We're born with a sin nature we have this proclivity towards sin It pleased the
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- Lord to make a covenant of grace wherein he freely offereth to unto sinners life and salvation by Jesus Christ Listen requiring of them faith in him in Christ that they may be saved
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- Can as a dort say something similar and of course,
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- I I want to confuse things, but I won't just yet number 12 True or false
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- God does not desire the salvation of the non -elect but has only hatred for them.
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- That's false Does not desire, you know, what does he say?
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- In the Old Testament that he gets no joy or pleasure out of the death of The wicked right?
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- It's not like God rejoices over that or that he's happy about it Waldron says there are again some high
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- Calvinists that teach that even though God commands the non -elect to come to Christ He really has no desire that they come
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- Listen to the canons adored again the canons adored written After Arminius has passed some of his teaching is refuted by the
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- Arminius saying well, let's get let's review a little bit Arminius not being a full
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- Pelagian, but a semi Pelagian Pelagius taught what that the rigid that the fall of Adam had
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- No effect on every on everybody else You know to quote
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- Mormonism we believe that Every person is responsible for their own sin and not for Adams transgression
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- That's like a perfect statement a Pelagian ism Adam fell shame on Adam that doesn't have anything to do with us.
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- The Bible on the other hand says Yes When Adam fell when
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- Adam sinned what that he dragged us all in with him We call that doctrine federal headship that he was the representative of everyone
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- Not just Adam and Eve, but of everyone and that's plain in Romans chapter 5
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- And we've we've talked about that quite a bit Canons adored say this for God has most earnestly and truly declared in his word
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- What is acceptable to him namely that those who are called should come unto him? He also seriously promises rest of soul and eternal life to all who come and believe
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- Number 13 true or false. There is no such thing as common grace. What's the difference between common grace and special grace?
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- I Mean we talked about General revelation and special revelation general revelation being we can look about it all of creation
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- We can see that there's a creator that there's a God that there's Order that everything is upheld by the power of God and then we see special revelation having to do with The Bible having to do with this specific revelation of God From him to us, right?
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- So when we talk about common grace or special grace, what is common grace or?
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- Let's put it this way what's special or specific grace? Yeah, right. Okay, so special grace would
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- Visit somebody in time and I mean it by grace
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- God chose us in eternity past right before the set before the world began and then in time we get saved and God carries us all the way through the end.
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- That's special grace specific grace saving grace common grace is
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- Liam Okay Okay That's part of it right that we all exist because as sinners by nature and by choice
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- God would be just in instantly punishing us the minute we do sin. So we have that grace but when
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- I think more more specifically talking about general grace or common grace we think about things like the the beauty of the earth or homes or families or you know that the ability to make money to enjoy life
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- Generally, I mean, you know food and all these kind of things Common grace things that everyone gets right?
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- Brian Yeah, but I'm just kind of expanding on it So, you know, he said we have the right to be and all these kind of things
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- So I'm just kind of expanding on that a little bit. So yeah, I Don't think Liam was wrong.
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- I'm just sort of expanding on his answer a little bit The 1689 says this it speaks of the faith and common grace of Temporary believers, which
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- I thought that's kind of an interesting thought. What's a temporary believer? Well somebody who is not actually a believer would be a temporary believer, but they they get
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- Common grace in the sense that we've that we've talked about they have you know, they they have the pleasures of life and Yeah, how about these when we're talking about common grace and we're talking about God's desire to see people saved
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- Ezekiel 33 11 Say to them as I live declares the
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- Lord God I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live
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- Turn back turn back from your evil ways Why will you then die
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- Oh house of Israel so this is this is the picture of God's Common grace that he he doesn't he doesn't take pleasure or joy in the death of the wicked in their judgments in other words mmm
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- Okay number 14 Only Calvinists Only Calvinists limit the value of the atonement
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- What do we mean when we say limiting the value of the atonement Jesus died for sinners, what does that mean?
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- Yes, Brian if we talk about What did Jesus actually accomplish on the cross?
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- and I think to do that one way to do it is to look back and go why for what purpose did
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- Jesus go to the cross? Did he go to make salvation possible for all men?
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- Did he go to actually secure salvation for all men or did he go to pay the price for the sins of the elect
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- Which is what Brian said Which one is correct if he let's put it this way if Jesus paid the price for every sin of every person who ever lived then
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- There's a logical question that has to be asked. Why does anybody go to hell?
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- What was the other one? Well, because somebody had to pay the price for sin, right?
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- I think I think that would be Logical, but the question then is if Jesus went to the cross and he paid the price for every sin that anybody would ever commit then why would anybody go to hell and what's the answer to that and Here's what the
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- Arminian would say Taylor Okay, somebody says
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- I'm not going to accept Jesus life and death and resurrection on my behalf I refuse that and Therefore I Thwart the will of God right if God from I I mean did the
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- Father send the Son according to Matthew 121 did he send the
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- Son to save Every person from their sin Why do you send
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- Jesus Christ to earth to save his people from their sin?
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- right And even you know I mean, I just really struggle with the kind of if he paid the price for everyone there are a number of problems with that But Jesus before Judas Iscariot died, what did he say?
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- He said it would be better for him to have never been born. Why? Because all
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- Jews had to do was Say well, I I believe in Jesus and you know get out of jail free card.
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- He understood Jesus knew That Judas was not among the elect that's why he said that that he wasn't
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- One of the ones that Jesus came to die for let me put it another way, and this is the crass way
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- I've used many on many occasions. I just like it Judgment Day everybody appearing before the judgment bar
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- We all line up huge line billions and billions of people billions and billions served and here's
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- Thank you, thank you for that and Here's the picture. They come up to the counter and I'm sorry for this
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- But you know the father's behind the counter and he you know, he has a list of everybody sins In other words their bill what they must pay
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- Which is eternity in hell That here's this whole list of sins here comes
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- Steve up to the counter and I'm like and Jesus says I'll pay for his sins
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- I've got this bill and in the in the way the
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- Unlimited atonement folks have it If I'm one of the non elect I before I stand before the father and I say that you know what
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- I Have nothing to offer except for Jesus Christ and Jesus says I'll pay for his sins and the father says
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- Okay, because he was he was chosen before the foundation of the world for the non elect You know, they come up to the bar.
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- Well, I was a good person, you know And Jesus says well, I'll pay for his sins and the father then says
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- He looks and he goes Jesus your money's no good here. And I listen.
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- I mean it's crass. I admit that but if you think about it That's ultimately what those who propose a universal atonement say they say that Jesus paid for everybody's sins, but it's based on My decision on the person's decision whether to receive that or not and then the father says well,
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- I'm gonna listen to Steve I'm gonna listen to the person. I'm gonna listen to you know, whatever they say and the answer is no
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- Jesus came here with a purpose. His purpose is not thwarted before the foundation of the world
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- I mean we could read through Ephesians 1 we've done this on many occasions Ephesians 1 3 to 14 we can go to other places and the point is that before The world began before time existed
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- God chose some people Jesus Agreed to come save them and the
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- Spirit agreed to seal them to say to set them apart to regenerate them So questions about the extent of the atonement, yes,
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- I see that hand Steven. Okay good.
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- So one side says the atonement only has Power well, or it has power to save all those that it's intended to save And the other side says well,
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- I it could save everybody and Here's the problem with the could saved and we'll get to the number here in a second
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- The problem that could saved is again. It depends on dead in their sins and trespasses Children of Satan to ultimately say
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- I would like to be saved. I would like to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ I would like to have my
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- Sins forgiven where would they get that power? and it's only when they're caused to be born again by the
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- Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit would not cause somebody to be born again and Then not save them and as far as the numbers of people
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- You know did God have a specific group of people that he chose before the foundational world and the answer is yes so There's there's ultimately our our statement from the can is adored again the death of the
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- Son of God is the only and most perfect sacrifice and satisfaction for sin and it is of infinite worth in other words, could it save everybody?
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- Yes, it could and Value abundantly sufficient to expiate the sins of the whole world.
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- However, that was not its design The question is for whom was it paid and for whom was atonement made and the answer is the elect
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- Number 16 True or false limited atonement contradicts the free and Well -meant offer of the gospel in other words.
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- Can we go to people? who may not be elect and Offer them the gospel knowing that the value of the atonement is limited to the elect
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- So if somebody's not one of the elect and we preach the gospel to them, they can't be saved anyway So why are we wasting our time?
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- Cory we have no idea whether anybody is elect or not.
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- We don't know Right. The Bible doesn't give us, you know, it'd be nice like if there was a yearbook in there
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- You know a list of the elect, you know, I Mean, did you know you can go to your town?
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- You can get a list of every voter in town So wouldn't it be nice if they had you know, you go to the town office
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- Here's a list of all the elect in your town. Awesome, you know Let's just We It would make things so easy except here's the problem with that what what would the issue be with even having a list of the elect
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- I Think there are two issues Okay, that's a that's a positive.
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- They're going to heaven anyway, so why bother talking to them Liam? Well, I mean if somebody if somebody's not one of the elect could they then not you know
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- Just feel the freedom to be a complete libertine Yeah, bill. Thank you
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- They still have to hear the gospel, right? Every well and you know true or false to the non elect
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- Do we have an obligation to the non elect to preach the gospel to them and the answer is yes, right? Jesus didn't say, you know
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- Go to the ends of the elect he said go to the ends of the earth, right? Yeah, Cory Exactly yeah, we have no idea, you know
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- We were having a discussion at the dinner table last night not just Janet and I because we normally don't eat dinner together.
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- Sorry It's true But we're having a discussion at the dinner table last night
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- About about this very thing and about how we don't know we have no way of knowing if you know we preach the gospel of somebody this afternoon and And 40 years from now as they lay there dying as they're gasping for breath or whatever
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- God brings their mind that very thing where they rejected it today and 40 years from now
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- They're like, oh, I remember when Cory came to me and he said those things to me. And what was it?
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- He said oh, yeah that Jesus died for my sins and that he rose on the third day
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- And he lived a perfect life and all those kind of things and then they believe can the Holy Spirit do that and answered? Yes So we don't know the timing at all.
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- We do not know Okay, we you know
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- Spurgeon once said that you know If only we could pull up the shirts of people and check their back and see if there was a you know
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- An E on there or that kind of thing. He said that would be very helpful and he was right about that Let's see number 17
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- True or false limited atonement in other words I What you know, somebody said here the other day
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- That they didn't even know what Calvinism was and I'm not going to go through all that but let me just say this about limited atonement
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- Limited atonement is kind of a misleading word or limited. I guess atonement is not misleading
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- Limited is a little bit Misleading we've already said that our minions limited as well, right in terms of will it actually accomplish what
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- God wanted it to they certainly Limit that but why do I say limit is limited is sort of a misleading term?
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- Yeah, it's always a good thing So I think that's true. I mean, there's a What is the what is the term that?
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- Sproul preferred not limited atonement, but Particular redemption
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- Definite redemption. Yeah to dip total depravity unconditional election definite atonement and then
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- Right, I could irresistible grace and perseverance of the Saints But Definite redemption because it tells us something limited just means you know that there's there's a sense in which it doesn't it seems to make it somewhat powerless
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- Definite redemption means it accomplishes specifically what it was intended to accomplish
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- So I like that better Or particular redemption because it it redeems a people
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- Number 17 true or false limited atonement means that whosoever may not come
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- Right, where's that word whosoever come from? I'm sorry
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- John 316 and I mean anytime you're in any kind of theological debates I mean there are even memes about this now, right?
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- Because if you want to say well, you know what God has his chosen people and he redeems them and everything else
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- Then they what do they do? It's like a judo throw boom John 316 checkmate, you know,
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- I mean, it's like you're down you're done John 316 whosoever As I tried to point out a few weeks ago other problems with the whosoever, you know, is that the
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- Trump card? Brian, okay, you need another qualifier believes bill
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- Okay, there's another whosoever, but let's say in John 3 for a moment We'll get to that. Is it true that whosoever believes or a whosoever calls in the name of the
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- Lord will be saved Yes, because the Bible says so Here's the question going or the issue going back to John 3
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- We act as if it's a matter of volition sheer volition that we have free will we know that we don't
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- But here's the other problem in that context in John 3 John or Jesus is talking to Nicodemus.
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- Jesus is actually it's interesting because Jesus is the one who who says Who utters
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- John 316 we don't normally think about that, you know the words of Jesus John chapter 3 he's talking to Nicodemus this teacher of the
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- Jews and he says to him what Nicodemus comes to him says, you know Basically, what's your authority by by what authority it but he's nice about it.
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- He's not like the other Pharisees and Jesus Says to him he says you must be born again
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- So this is all prefaced all this John 316 is prefaced on you must be born again
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- You must be born of the Spirit something must happen to you before you can believe he doesn't say Nicodemus pray this prayer
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- Nicodemus Believe that believe these truths. He says something must be done to you
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- You must be transformed by the work of the Holy Spirit and Romans 10 is also true
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- But I mean I can and we will go through most of Romans this morning believe it or not Romans 10 whosoever shall call upon the name of the
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- Lord will be saved. It's true But it also, you know has a bunch that goes before it including
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- You have to hear the gospel from somebody But it's also prefaced by what Romans 3
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- Romans 1 I mean all these other passages that tell us that in and of ourselves we are
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- Dead we we don't do the right things. No one Believes we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God What happens upon salvation is our will our desires is
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- That they are transformed and that's the key So when somebody calls upon the name of the
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- Lord, they shall be saved Well, how is it they call upon the name of the Lord is because God has already transformed them
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- God has already changed them other thoughts before we move on Okay, Liam, right so I mean if I were summarizing it what
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- Liam just said I would put it this way a text without a Context is a
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- Pretext proof texting is what cults do Right. I mean they'll take a verse out of it, you know the next thing, you know, you're baptizing people for the dead
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- You're doing all kinds of things Why well because there's a verse that says
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- Do this so that's what we do. So we don't want to do that.
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- We want to understand things not only in a Specific context But also in a general context as well, you know, so I don't have time to go to hermeneutics in great measure
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- So we won't other thoughts All right, moving on number 18 irresistible grace
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- Number 18 irresistible grace means that God saves men against their will. I Just said that's false
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- Exactly not irresistible grace means that God makes people willing
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- He makes them willing Psalm 110 3 your people will volunteer freely in the day of your power the 1689 says this
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- Those whom God hath predestinated unto life. That's what we're talking about chosen before the foundation of the world
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- He is pleased in his appointed and accepted time when Corey was talking about Effectually to call by his word by the written word right, they hear the gospel and Spirit by his spirit out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ enlightening their mind spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God taking away their heart of stone and Giving them a heart of flesh
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- Renewing their wills and by his almighty power determining them To that which is good and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ yet.
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- So as they come most freely Being made willing by his grace
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- So let me restate 18 and then we'll sort of back up a little bit You know, here's the picture that some
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- Armenians in other words those who don't believe in the sovereignty of God and salvation
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- This is the caricature by which they say what you mean to say That God drags me kicking and screaming to faith.
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- Is that true? No, I'm sorry Can he yes
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- No, no, I mean, you know, here's if we just think about it like this if we go to You know say
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- Saul Saul of Tarsus persecuted the church murderer of Christians Ran around jailing them, you know on his way to go continue his persecution of the church
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- Jesus appears to him Did Jesus force Saul to believe in him
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- I don't think so what he does is take a will a
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- Mindset that actually hates God Hates his church hates his
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- Christ hates the very idea of salvation by grace because to Saul of Tarsus salvation was by works and He then convicts
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- Saul of his sinfulness and Transforms him so that Saul who later becomes
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- Paul, of course Doesn't go. I don't want to be saved but okay drag me
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- When we recognize and it's true for all of us, right When we recognize who Jesus is what he's done for us.
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- Are we reluctant at all to belief? Are we reluctant at all to you know, as it were kneel at the foot of the cross?
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- The answer is no, I I mean I can only speak for myself, but I just remember being overwhelmed
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- At the idea that Jesus Christ would love me and die for me Bill I mean that's exactly right.
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- What what happens is You know, we we undergo as it were spiritual surgery, right a heart transplants a mind
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- Transplants God so transforms our hearts and our wills and not that we are Perfect by any imagination, but we've stopped
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- Thinking that we were good enough that we were righteous enough that God was going to accept us as we are We understand that God is never going to accept us for us
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- Contra what the world says, you know what? You're good enough. You're smart enough. You're nice enough. God loves you just the way you are.
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- I Think it's well, I know it's Sinclair Ferguson who says, you know, that's just false this idea that Jesus loves you just as you are well
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- If he did then what would he do? He just leave you there
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- Right What happens instead is he begins the work of reshaping you refashioning you renewing your mind?
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- transforming you into the image of Jesus Christ Irresistible grace does not mean that God Saves men against their will what he does is change their wills number 19 true or false.
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- Yes well, I think that's good that they cannot help worshiping Christ and and Loving him when they see him for who he is.
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- It's uh, you know, it it's a bit like You know despising
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- Some kind of art or something and then having you studying it and understanding its value and you know
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- What happened you had a change of mind about the whole thing? And so then you like it, but by the way I'm never gonna like modern art, but let me
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- Every yeah every false view of salvation Every single one or every, you know tweaked or erroneous.
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- I don't want to just say false view But if you don't believe in irresistible grace, in other words, if you believe that, you know
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- Somehow you are in control of things. Your ultimate problem is you don't believe in total depravity
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- Right what you were saying? You don't believe in your utter sinfulness and your helplessness, you know I mean we can go to Romans 5 while we were yet helpless
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- Christ died for us, right? It's not like we were Struggling having a bad day a couple bad weeks
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- Helpless dead nurses and trespasses children of Satan we could go on and on Number 19
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- Irresistible grace to her false irresistible grace means that men never resist the Holy Spirit.
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- No. Yeah, it's false Yeah Yeah, they're unbelievers are always resisting
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- Acts 7 51 you men who are stiff -necked and uncircumcised in hearts
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- Because they were circumcised physically and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit You are doing just as your fathers did
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- Oh Is that the last question lovely? Okay Well good. We did make amazing progress
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- Yes, bill do the elect resist the
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- Holy Spirit What do you think? I mean to save people resist the
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- Holy Spirit. I see a yes and a no Good.
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- You have the floor bill not not ultimately but Okay, but even after you're saved and you believe and everything else.
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- Do you ever resist the Holy Spirit? And the answer is Maryland? Every time we sin, and I mean, you know just like my
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- McDonald's counter thing is blasphemous. Let me give you another one when when
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- I sin When I sin I say that I do what I send the
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- Holy Spirit on vacation, right? I'm just like Be gone. I don't want to listen to you. I I don't
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- I don't need your help right now You know and the Holy Spirit then later on we'll go.
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- Well the survey said and But that's you know, sometimes we do that I don't want to get too far in this but I Do want to mention because I I took the time to print all this out and I hate to just not mention it
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- I've talked about a number of You know historical truths historical heresies
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- But the one I haven't really talked about the most Heretic who's really kind of if we look at modern evangelicalism today
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- The man who stirred up more trouble than anybody else in at least in the modern church would be a man by the name of What's that?
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- Well, no, I know but his his great -great spiritual grandfather would be the man
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- Finney Charles Finney And it's just amazing. There's an article by Phil Johnson.
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- I was reading I've read before but I just I printed out some of it and I mean just listen to some of this
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- Finney denied that the righteousness of Christ is the sole ground of our justification
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- Teaching and said that sinners must reform reform their own hearts in order to be acceptable to God He called the amputation of Christ's righteousness to us a theological fiction
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- He said that Neither Merit nor guilt can righteously be imputed from one person to another.
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- Well, what does that mean if you can't have? Guilt imputed to you then you don't have
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- You don't have depravity. You don't have original sin. And if you can't have righteousness imputed to you
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- Then what? Christ well
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- Christ could die for you as an example he could die for some other reasons, but he didn't ultimately and And he could say that he died for your sins
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- But ultimately you the righteousness you need to get to heaven has to come from where? from you
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- So so you wind up, you know with additional rules of life To be good enough to get into heaven
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- And this is the kind of thing pastor Mike rails about all the time, right? It's these additional laws that really aren't found in the
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- Bible, but make sense to the pastor the preacher or whatever So he puts them on you
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- Yeah Johnson says under Phineas system Christ could not have actually born anyone else's sin or suffered sins full penalty in their place.
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- I mean, this is just it's so antithetical to everything that the
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- Bible teaches and Why do I say that Essentially So much of Phinney is in the church today.
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- Well, like listen to this Phinney insisted that depravity is a purely voluntary condition.
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- I would put it this way You're a good person Right Wickedness does not reside in you
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- You can have your best day today. You could have your best life now Even this
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- I like this Phinney was not ashamed to take the credit for his own conversion Just just that it's this kind of shameless
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- Man -centered and that's the point. I wanted to make before we close man -centered theology where you can go week after week after week and get affirmed in how good you are and And the problem with that of course is that it's false and it leads people to hell
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- Phinney was so man -centered that he did things like I've mentioned before the anxious bench where he would have people sit and the purpose was the preach would just look at those people on that bench and just preach at them until they were so Shaken by their own sinfulness that they would come forward and you know
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- Confess Jesus Christ as Lord, but these kind of man -centered Approaches ultimately lead to Christianity being
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- Little more than self -help or Like a sales pitch these kind of things everything that we see in the church today,
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- I think goes back to sort of these heretical views of Phinney appealing to people's goodness
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- So anyway other thoughts comments questions before we close Yeah, Cory That's that's excellent
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- Because if you're if you're not reminding people that they're saved by grace alone that there are wretches but God Brought them to spiritual life.
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- I mean, I'm even reminded that Shuler Jesus words to amazing grace You know how sweet the sound that saved and that he took out wretch change it to You know
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- Well or a peach or whatever I don't know what he changed it to but you know something awful Yeah, and probably not even saved a wretch like me.
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- It was probably like loved a person like me, you know Yeah, it's it's so bad because in appealing to the goodness that people don't have
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- It's really appealing to their wickedness and affirming them in that and telling them that you know that they don't
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- They don't ultimately need to repent and come to the Lord Jesus Christ Anyway, we need to we need to close
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- Father I thank you for your word and what it says. I think you that Your sovereignty in salvation
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- Leaps off every page of the Bible how you Are good and kind and gracious in choosing to save some
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- That we are sinful that we in and of ourselves would never choose you ever
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- But you and your goodness By your Holy Spirit cause us to be born again.
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- You give us a new heart a new mind new desires new affections That we turn as it were from idols
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- Even including ourselves and worship the Living God We give you all the praise in Jesus name.