Christ Is Enough...Now What? | Theocast

Hi, this is Justin. If you've been listening to Theocast for any period of time, you might be tracking with us in some of the things that we talk about regularly. You're thinking, guys, yeah, I agree with you that Jesus really is enough.

He has accomplished my salvation and there's nothing that I need to do to contribute to that. And I'm tracking with you guys too, even with respect to pietism, how in so many contexts, the Christian life seems to be the focus instead of Jesus.

All right, I'm there, but now can you guys help me? Because now that I understand that Christ has done everything, what is it that I need to concern myself with doing? Can you give me some handles with respect to the Christian life and how to approach it from this confessional reform perspective?

Well, if that's where you are and you're wrestling with those things, this podcast today is for you. Now, some of you in listening to what we're going to say might think, I don't really know how to apply these things in my local church context.

Well, we're gonna talk a little bit about the state of the local church and we do that especially in the members area, just kind of what we see in terms of the church context in our modern setting. We hope that these things are helpful, that they're clarifying, and we hope that they're encouraging, and we hope that it helps you all the more to see your freedom that you have in Jesus and the rest that is yours in Him.

Stay tuned.

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Welcome to Theocast, encouraging weary pilgrims to rest in Christ. Conversations about the Christian life from a Reformed perspective. Our hosts today are John Moffitt, pastor of Grace Reformed Church in Spring Hill, Tennessee, and myself, Justin Perdue, pastor of Covenant Baptist Church in Asheville, North Carolina.

We sit here in the middle of the month of November in the year of our Lord 2020, and holiday smells are starting to become a thing in the Perdue house. It's pretty exciting. You know, cinnamon and spice and all things nice, and the Fraser fir and all that good stuff.

John, I'm not trying to influence the way that you go with your pro-con. I'm not trying to entice you to talk about anything related to the holidays, but I know in my world, I'm sort of excited about this stuff.

Everybody knows I love fall, and I enjoy moving into the holiday season. Yeah, and I mean, even the year 2020, I'm tempted to take this in a direction that's not gonna be encouraging or helpful for people.

It's been a tough time for people. Would not be prudent. So instead of me continuing to talk, we have met to podcast today, but before we get into the subject matter at hand, which we hope is gonna be helpful in encouraging the listener, we want you to just entertain people for the next couple of minutes with your pro-con.

Oh, trust me. Trust me. I shall entertain you. So yesterday I was sitting down with Patrick.

I'm immediately thinking about Gladiator. Are you not entertained?

Are you not entertained? Maybe the best movie of all time.

Is this not why you're here? Okay, go ahead.

So I'm sitting down with Patrick Crandall for our staff meeting yesterday. We were at a restaurant, and for those of you who don't know, Patrick is a new contributor at Theocast, church planner in Columbia.

Yeah, he is.

Good to have him, have him part of the team. So I couldn't believe it. I about lost my mind. Half, not half, but a good section of our staff meeting was me lamenting about one, it's not even Thanksgiving, and we're listening to Christmas music, and two, most Christmas music is horrible, especially if it was written after like the 1950s.

John, calm down. You're coming in hot today.

I'm sorry, but

I'm glad I was sitting down for that.

The music, the lyrics, it's like, come on. Have we lost our minds?

This is ridiculous. You're telling me that you don't enjoy the NSYNC Christmas album from the late 90s? Are you serious?

They're my favorite. That's my absolute favorite album of all time. No, ugh.

Come on, bro.

Ugh, no, anyways, so my pro is this. I love Christmas. It's a fun break in society just as far as celebration, and I do think the church has, in my opinion, the churches that I'm associated with, they do a really great job of focusing on the finished work of Christ and the glory of Christ.

So I really like that. My son was reading in his history book about where the 25th of December came in, which is a counteraction to the celebration of the sun god, which he thought was interesting. So I'm all for it.

I just really don't like most Christmas music. My wife, she sees me grimacing as we drive during the holidays and Christmas music is playing in our car. I just wanna secretly put headphones in my ears.

Well, I mean, let me be clear. I love Christmas music unashamedly, but I also probably share your thoughts in that most of the modern stuff I don't enjoy. If it's like new, I don't care a lot for it. I mean, what I want to hear are classics, dare I say even traditional Christmas music, and I enjoy the ones that are theologically rich, and I'm happy to hear new arrangements of those, but I don't particularly.

I mean, every now and then, I'll happily get cheesy and silly and listen to some holiday album of some artist that I like, but even then, I'm kind of like, yeah, I don't know.

Okay, I can tell you, any Bing Crosby Christmas, I'm fine with. Perry Como's good. I do listen to it at least once a year and I make my kids listen to it with me. I listen to the Jackson Five sing Santa Claus is Coming to Town.

Yeah, you do.

And here you are saying that you don't like Christmas music.

It just, you know, near Christmas is fine, not Thanksgiving.

So you're definitely like, don't play Christmas music until after Thanksgiving, you'll die hard on that.

Yeah, yeah, can I say one other thing? I'm not a big fan of turning Thanksgiving, I'm not a big fan of turning Thanksgiving into a Christian holiday either.

A Christian holiday?

Yeah, it's like, it's not on the church calendar,.

So whatever.

No, it's true. It's true.

I'm cranky today, man. I'm coming in hot, bro.

You definitely set the bar high or low.

Depending on how people wanna evaluate it. So now that we got that all straightened up, now what?

Now what? Now that that's settled, now what? Man, we are getting good at the way we transition into the topic.

It's only taken a couple of years, that's all.

Well, it's why people listen to us because of how smoothly we handle things. So we get a lot of interaction here at Theocast from our listeners, which we're grateful for. And there are a lot of people who write to us or leave us voicemails or communicate with us in various ways, and they'll let us know that they're encouraged by things they're hearing on the podcast, that they are tracking with us on the sufficiency of Jesus and the fact that He is enough to save them and that His finished work stands outside of them and they can trust Him and they can rest in Him because He has accomplished their salvation.

And they're with us completely on that. And they even are beginning to understand categories of confessional theology versus pietism. They agree that a lot of what exists out there in the evangelical world is focused on the Christian, not primarily on Jesus.

And they're like, man, you guys are, you're right about that. Something's off and I've noticed this and you're putting words to my thoughts and words to my observations. I'm with you. So guys, help me now that I'm tracking and now that I'm there and now that I have seen that Christ really is enough.

He is mighty and sufficient to save me and I'm there. Now, what do I do? Now that I know that Christ has done everything, what do I do? And one way to maybe rephrase that question is people are asking us, what are the things that I should pursue?

What are the things that I should give attention to and prioritize in my life now that I have come to this kind of reformed theological, biblical understanding of the nature of Christ's work and the nature of salvation?

And yeah, we were talking on the phone yesterday, John. I was on my way home from a meeting and I called you, you called me back and we were talking about a few other things, but then this came up. We had several listener questions around this area and we were like, we should record this tomorrow, this now what conversation.

And I think we're gonna aim to take a less is more approach. We're not gonna give a long list of stuff that people need to be doing. We're gonna really hammer the main things from our perspective.

That's right.

But yeah.

Well, I think there's a shift in thinking from when you're a pietist, you're afraid you're not doing enough. And then when you leave pietism, you're afraid you're doing too much, right? So there's this pendulum swing of doing anything, doing anything feels like pietism.

So the question is, what am I supposed to do? There's a fear of doing something wrong. And I understand that perspective. I've been there. There are a lot of people, you're not alone at all when you're having these struggles.

And really this conversation, I would say if I were to kind of rephrase it, we're changing what you pursue as a Christian. So before you were pursuing status and assurance with God, and you were pursuing identity, right?

You're pursuing also personal development. That became your pursuit. It's all internal. It's all about you. And now that you're realizing that all of that is secure in Christ, your identity, your spiritual growth, your status, the benefits of Christ, all of that comes to you by faith.

All the spiritual blessings that we've been given, our final salvation is secure. We have peace with God now and forever.

Yeah, all of it.

So what you used to pursue, you look at it and it's finished. It's done. It's over. It's built. It's completed. You hear this. And so now you're thinking, what am I supposed to do now? So we're gonna change.

We're gonna shift your priority. And really this is, I would say, it's not a now what question. It's not now what you do. It's we're going to change your priorities because your priority was you and your standing before God.

Now that's secured. We're gonna show you how scripture gives you your priorities, gives you the now what. And so that's how I would set us up. So Justin, what would you say would really be the priority shift, the priority change when you leave pietism and you walk into resting in Christ?

What becomes our priority?

Yeah, it's a paradigm shift. Like you've said, it's a recalibration of thinking because everything that we've been told does center on us and our individual pursuit of the Christian life. And we're chasing after any number of things like you've already alluded to.

Unashamedly, and we're gonna unpack this for the rest of the episode, basically. So I'm gonna say this in a very simple way that's gonna sound, I don't know, very broad. Or for some people, they're gonna be like, okay, well, duh, no kidding.

But then we're gonna talk about it and nuance it and talk about some things underneath this. Your priority becomes, once you know that Christ is enough and that we actually have rest in him and we're safe, and everything's been accomplished, your priority shifts from yourself to the body of Christ.

It shifts to the church, the local church. And there are a number of things underneath that that we wanna talk about. And so what we are going to be encouraging people to do today in an ongoing way and for the rest of their lives is to build your life around a local church where Christ is heralded and where the saints are building one another up in love and are stirring one another up to love and good works.

It's where the mission of Christ is being accomplished in seeing the saints built up into maturity. And we're seeing the mission of Christ being accomplished as the gospel is advanced. So yeah, unashamedly, at the risk of sounding silly, build your life around a local church where Christ is heralded and where the saints are building one another up in love.

And now, John, let's maybe unpack some of those things and why this is true, because it sounds reductionistic and absurdly simple that people are like, yeah, guys, there has to be more to it than this.

And what I think has happened in the minds of many people is that we have not really understood very well what the church is. We have not really understood very well what the local church is about and for, why we gather on Sunday, how we are living our lives with one another, how the Lord uses the brethren, the saints in our lives, all of that.

And so let's tear this up. This is gonna be, I trust, an encouraging, edifying, and liberating conversation for people.

The Church as the Christian's New Priority

Yep, so pietism, hyper-individualism. So you and you yourself pursuing these goals. The rest of Christ comes in, and what happens is, is that after the gospel transforms your heart and your mind and you're resting in Christ, you are then transitioning to something that's very contrary to our nature, which is communalism.

We become part of a communion. I mean, even the word communion means common union. It's where we get the idea, where we gather around the table as those who are unified in Christ. A couple of passages, I want you to hear this.

So Paul says, before Christ, he was a good Jew, and he described all the things he was doing right. And then in Galatians 3, he transfers it and says, we aren't, we begun by the spirit. We're trying to perfect ourselves by the flesh.

That is contrary to scripture. So then he gives us two other examples. One, I'm gonna read these real quickly to you. Ephesians 4 and Colossians 1. He literally does the now what moment. You're safe in Christ, now what?

So this is what he says. So Ephesians 4 .1, I therefore a prisoner of the Lord. So this is right after the first three chapters of Ephesians. If you're familiar with it, glorious election, sovereignty of God's beautiful.

I therefore a prisoner of the Lord urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called. What is he referencing? First three chapters. With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the spirit and the bond of peace.

So his initial reaction is to walk worthy to what you have received, immediately does what? Community, community. He requires you to be patient, kind, loving, and bearing with one another for the bond of peace.

He does it again. Let me read this to you in Colossians chapter three. So Colossians, I'll let you speak to this. I know you have some thoughts on these.

You're good.

So Colossians chapter three, the end of chapter two, he names all of this ascetic work that people are trying to do to control the works of the flesh. Individualism, by the way. He completely stomps on individualism at the end of chapter two, moves into chapter three, looking unto Jesus, right?

Seated at the right hand of the father. And this is what he says in response to the gospel after we've understood we walk by faith in Christ. He says this in chapter three, verse 12. Put on then as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another.

And if one has a complaint against another, forgive each other as the Lord has forgiven you. So you also must forgive. And then he says this, and above all these, put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.

So two times he tells the church, the response to your salvation and your security in Christ is to then forgive, show love and kindness for the sake of peace and harmony and unity, where? In the body of Christ.

Yeah, I'm gonna read some more Bible and because I just think this is good to do. And then what we can do is continue the conversation underneath all these wonderful things that the apostles write. So I'm gonna pick up in Ephesians chapter four a little bit later after what you read, because it's beautiful.

I mean, Paul speaks to how there are gifts that are given to the church, apostles, prophets, teachers, right, shepherds, and they are given as gifts from Jesus Christ for the benefit of the body of Christ, for the up building of the body, right?

And so he talks about how those individuals, the apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds, teachers are given by Jesus to equip the saints for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity of faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ so that we may no longer be children tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness and deceitful schemes.

Then this, rather speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head into Christ. So we're to be conformed to the image of Jesus in the church, from whom the whole body joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.

So this is clearly a corporate exercise that the Christian life is. I mean, sanctification is a corporate exercise. Maturity and being built up is a corporate exercise. You can't do this by yourself. I'm thinking too about Paul in the letter to the Corinthians, 1 Corinthians.

In chapter 12, he'll talk about how every member of the body has its function, right? We all do different things and every part is honorable, right? And then in 1 Corinthians 13, that wonderful chapter on love, he talks about how the most important thing that could ever happen in the body of Christ is that we would love one another, you know?

And then we have, even in the letter to the Hebrews, in Hebrews chapter 10, I may flip over there.

While you do that, let me read 2 Peter real quick while you're turning.

Go, go, because I've got more, keep going.

2 Peter chapter one, he gives the glorious promise that the power of Christ is the one who comes in that saves us and then transforms us. We trust in the power of Christ. And then Peter says this, for this reason, verse five, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue and virtue with knowledge and knowledge with self-control and self-control with steadfastness and steadfastness with godliness and godliness with brotherly affection and brotherly affection with love.

For if these qualities are yours and increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. So think about, Peter's saying the same thing. He's saying all of this is your response to your rest in Christ.

And what's it, he's saying, what is he concerned about being ineffective? Ineffective within the unity and the peace and the bond that happens within the body of Christ. Because going back to what Paul says in Ephesians four, when the body functions properly, it builds itself up in love.

And if you aren't playing your part, you're not being effective in encouraging and building each other up.

That's right, and that is the mission of the church. Like we've already alluded to in the mission of Christ is that we would be built up into maturity and that the gospel would advance through the church.

And if we're not participating in that, then in that sense, we're not participating in the mission of Christ on earth. All right, so let's continue here. Hebrews chapter 10, beginning in verse 23. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering for he who promised is faithful.

That's a wonderful objective truth, right? That we're confessing these doctrines, we're trusting in Jesus. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another.

And all the more as you see the day drawing near. So assemble, stir one another up, hold fast together the confession of our hope, namely the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. We do it together. Galatians five.

I mean, this may be the last one. We could do this all day. We're just gonna try to prime the pump here with some scripture just to demonstrate that this is not our own idea. We're getting this from the Bible and Christians have talked this way for 2000 years.

So in the famous passage from Paul in Galatians chapter five on the works of the flesh and the fruit of the spirit, after he writes about those two respective things, he says, if we live by the spirit, let us also walk by the spirit.

And people were like, oh, that's a big deal. What does it mean to walk by the spirit? What does that entail, Paul?

Well, in contrasting it, right, to the walking by the law.

Sure.

Well, you're right. And he continues to talk. I mean, he writes immediately after that. If we live by the spirit, let us also walk by the spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ.

So immediately, when he's thinking in these categories of walking in the spirit, he talks to corporate realities of how we live with one another, not being arrogant, not envying, not provoking, but restoring people and bearing one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ.

Like, you want to know what God wants you to do. You do that in the context of the local church, in the context of your brothers and sisters, and you're doing this for one another. We were talking before we hit the record button, John, and I'm sure we're gonna unpack this more, but you begin to live in community, like you said it this way, in community for the sake of the community, and I agree, you live in the church for the sake of the body of Christ.

You no longer become so me-focused. You're not just looking at yourself all the time. You're actually, you're trusting Christ, absolutely. You're looking outside of yourself to Christ, but you're also looking away from yourself to your brothers and sisters and to your neighbor, and you're concerned now for the us, the we reality of the body, not so much just me.

That's right.

It's a complete shift in focus and emphasis.

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We hope that you enjoy the rest of the conversation. Well, I would even go to Ephesians 5. This is often used as a scare tactic from preachers, angry preachers, who basically says, "'Grieve not the Holy Spirit.'".

And they use that as a, you better not keep sinning, because if you do, then the power of the Spirit will beat you. No, he is talking to the church. He's saying the power of the Spirit among the body, if you guys don't listen to what I'm telling you, to be loving, kind, and merciful, and gracious, then this is what's going to happen, is that the Spirit of this building you up will be quenched.

And it's not a fear of losing your salvation, it's a fear of the work of Christ not being accomplished. And I think there's a lot of churches out there where the work of Christ isn't being accomplished because there's so much division.

I mean, Justin and I know of two churches that unfortunately have had to close down because of disunity, because of division within it. So the Spirit of Christ is no longer working there, and that's really sad.

But I will say this, what's happening is that you are having an identity change. So Justin and I both have had two identity changes physically in our life. When we first got married, we went from being single and doing everything for ourselves to then being connected to an individual to where we became one.

So when we introduce ourselves, we one, wear a ring to identify with this new person, and we announce ourselves to be one with this person. I am married and I have a wife. So when I meet someone new and my wife's standing next to me, I introduce myself and then introduce my wife.

Why? Because she's part of my identity. And then when we had children, we went from being married to parents, right? And so now my identity, everything I think and do and say, it's all in relationship to my family.

I do them as a dad, but I never think about life outside of my marriage and my children. It changes the way I think. So the identity has changed.

All right, last, I said I was done with the Bible, but I lied about that.

So last little, last

All men are liars.

Seriously, last unpacking very briefly of a couple of things that are written. You mentioned Ephesians 5, so I was just glancing at it.

Yeah.

At the beginning of that chapter, Paul says, therefore be imitators of God as beloved children, right? So you're now children of God. Seek to imitate your father because this is who you are now. But then he says, and walk in love as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

So walk in love, consider Jesus and how he gave himself up for us. Then he goes right into, but sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you as is proper among saints.

Let there be no filthiness, et cetera. Well, what's he contrasting? He is exhorting us to walk in love and to live lives that are characterized by, I mean, dare I say it, dying to ourselves and loving others, right?

That's what he's saying. Walk in love and don't be selfish. Don't be all about you. Love your brothers and sisters. And what is sexual immorality, impurity, and covetousness? What are those things about?

They're about me. They're about me doing what I feel like doing. They're about me doing what I just want to do or me doing what I crave and not considering my brothers and sisters. I just don't regard them.

I do what I want to do. And everybody else just needs to get out of my way and be okay with that. And it doesn't matter who I hurt. Well, that's what Paul is exhorting us to. Love one another, consider others as more important than yourselves.

Live a life that is characterized by denying yourself for the good of your brothers and sisters. This is not monkery. This is not asceticism. You are living a life that the focus now has shifted from yourself to the good of the saints and the good of the church, the good of your brothers and sisters.

And I think that's a more realistic and faithful way to understand what the apostle was exhorting us to rather than going off on a rant about sexual purity for the sake of sexual purity. It's like, no, yeah, you need to be sexually pure and you need to avoid immorality and you need to avoid covetousness because it harms not only you, it harms everybody around you.

And it dishonors God. In that, I mean, you are, anyway, I could rant about that for a while. So John, let's go ahead.

Two things I wanna add to that. One is, I love asking this question. I ask it all the time now. Can you think of a sin that only affects you and no one else? No, no. Right, the answer to that is no. Because anything that you do, even if it's, some people think, does lust, does lust or laziness, I can guarantee you, I can promise you, I'll show you how it affects.

I'm gonna say, your lust and your laziness or whatever that you think is just so private, however you think on that or act on that that you think is private, it will inevitably affect everybody who ever is close to you.

It will affect everybody who ever loves you. And you are naive and foolish. I say this kindly and humbly, but you are naive and foolish to think that there's any sin that you would be engaged in that is purely private and is only harming you.

It's not true.

That's right.

So I don't know if this is where you were gonna go. If not, we can go there after I say this. But the question then becomes, because I've seen this happen, where we start well and we start pure, we wanna do this biblically, and then it turns into legalism, where people are judging you for not showing up to church and you're not doing enough and you're not involved and we're not thinking about people's circumstances.

What prevents us, Justin, from turning this into legalism? What is it that's been handed to the church that really governs this love and governs this responsibility that's been handed to the local church?

A few things, if I'm going where you're going, and we'll unpack these. I mean, the few things that have been given to us that are primary in the life of the church. I mean, we have the Sunday gathering in which the ordinary means of grace are a thing.

That's it.

And then also we have this clear emphasis of the New Testament toward love and unity and restoration and forgiveness and all those things. But let's start first with, I think, the means of grace, because there are probably people listening to this podcast who are anticipating us saying something about this, and that's great.

When people ask the question, so what do I do now? And surely it can't be as simple as you guys are saying in terms of, I just need to build my life around a local church and I need to be present on the Lord's day and partake of the means of grace and live life in the community of the saints.

I agree with you and I think that's all good, but surely there has to be more to it than that. And I guess my short answer to that is, as we come to a more robust biblical understanding of the means of grace and the life of the church together, we understand how that drives literally everything else in the Christian life.

The means of grace and life in the church, life amongst the saints, drives everything in the Christian life to the extent that if you prioritize this appropriately, everything else tends to take care of itself.

Not to be reductionistic or to overly simplify this, but it's true. And if we have a biblical understanding of the means of grace, how God has promised uniquely to show up and minister to his people when the church gathers, and these means of reading, giving attention to the public reading of scripture, giving attention to the preaching of the word, and how God has promised throughout the entire Bible to use his word to accomplish his work.

How even our faith comes by hearing the message of Christ, right? Also singing Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs to one another, and praying about everything as a gathered church, coming to the table to participate in the body and blood of Christ, to witness baptism through which we have been baptized into the Lord Jesus and united to him.

As we do these things together, the spirit of God uses those things that are ordinary to accomplish all of his extraordinary ends in our lives. Our faith is sustained, our faith is confirmed, our faith is strengthened, faith is imparted to those who have not yet trusted the Lord Jesus through these means by the spirit.

And we are grown in the faith. Over the course of weeks, months, years, and decades, we are grown by regularly being a part of the body, coming in faith as one of the saints to receive from God as he uses these means in our lives.

We can't overstate the significance of the ordinary means in those ways. I've talked a lot about it. I want you to be able to riff on this too.

No, absolutely. I think I'm just gonna go back to Ephesians chapter four, when he says, when the body's functioning properly, what does it build itself up in? It says love. And so, when we think about...