September 16, 2019 Show with Harold L. Senkbeil on “The Care of Souls: Cultivating a Pastor’s Heart” (Part 2)

Live from the historic parsonage of the 19th century gospel minister George Norcross in downtown Carlyle, Pennsylvania. It's iron sharpens iron. This is a radio platform in which pastors Christian scholars and theologians Address the burning issues facing the church and the world today.

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It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next two hours. And we hope to hear from you the listener with your own questions, and now here's your host Chris Arnzen.

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Wishing you all a happy Monday. On this 16th day of September 2019 we are supposed to be having as our guest today Harold Sinkbile Executive director of doxology the Lutheran Center for spiritual care and counsel.

But before that I am going to give you all some wonderful news those of you who have been praying For my friend Joe Jackowitz daily are going to love hearing this. In fact Everybody's gonna love hearing this if you listen to this program my friend Joe Jackowitz who is the founder of? first love radio.

First love radio is the network that live streams iron sharpens iron radio every day and Joe Jackwitz is also not only the founder of first love radio and first love missions and first love publications.

But he is also the pastor of Christ Bible Church in Pleasanton, California. Well many of you who listen to this show every day will remember That very recently Joe was given the very grim prognosis of having an aggressive and very deadly form of leukemia that was offering at best a hope of Four to six.

I'm sorry it was it was a prognosis of 40 to 60 percent chance of survival. That's what it was and of course That is a very frightening prognosis but obviously as always God knows better than even the most brilliant of physicians and those in the careers of medicine.

Joe on Saturday got this Report and I'm gonna read directly from an email that he has sent on Saturday is September 14th. Beloved family and friends greetings in the name of him who said with God all things are possible.

From Mark chapter 10 verse 27. Three hours ago a team of doctors came into my room. The lead doctor said that during the last two days my white cells red cells and platelets had improved so rapidly and they would release me from the hospital tomorrow or Monday.

This means that the good cells are growing back faster than they expected and therefore My immune system is strong enough to resume my normal lifestyle. Actually, the lead doctor said I never saw this quick a recovery before.

Needless to say we praise God for this great news as far as I remaining as far as remaining cancer. The first chemo treatment destroyed over 90 of it. I will have a final bone marrow biopsy on September 28th to determine if a final chemo treatment is needed.

If it is it will be a modified amount. It has been an incredible two days of rapid healing through the Lord's mercies. We are not consumed because his compassions fill not they are new every morning. Great is your faithfulness.

The Lord is my portion says my soul. Therefore. I hope in him from lamentations chapter 3 22 verses 22 through 24. Thank you for your love and for your prayers. The Lord is answering them and that this was an email Joe sent out on Saturday and Joe is already home.

He's already home recovering. This is after receiving the frightening news that he had a 40 to 60 percent chance of survival. So we will keep you updated on Joe's progress. We all thank you so much those of you listening Who not only prayed for Joe's healing?

But also for those who have reached out to him with the love and compassion of Jesus Christ. Thank you so much, and we will as I said keep you updated and now let me introduce you to our guest today. He is a returning guest Harold L sink bile executive director of doxology the Lutheran Center for spiritual care and counsel and He's an author with nearly five decades of pastoral experience.

We are going to be addressing part two of a discussion that we began weeks ago on his latest book The care souls cultivating a pastor's heart and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Harold sink bile.

What a joy to be with you again, Chris.

Amen, and by the way, it's been a couple of weeks since I've interviewed you and I'm still pronouncing your name correctly.

Yes, that's marvelous. Your memory is great. Difficult name.

Well brother if you could. For those of our listeners who missed your first interview on this same subject Why don't you tell our listeners about the about doxology the Lutheran Center for spiritual care and counsel?

I'd be happy to yeah operation doxology is a continue of all denominations, although effective and Our goal is to provide Taking care of people spiritually and we do that. We have kind of a two-sided coin.

She is my. So we've been privileged of the lay leaders of their congregation so that they can also see the key role that they play assisting public and Receive many blessings through it. It's been very very well received over the years.

Amen. Well, if anybody also add don't forget our website at doxology dot us. That's the domain name. Oh, yes.

I was just about to do that and thank you for doing that. Doxology dot us. And Well this book that you have written is seems to have Gotten a lot of praise and there's a lot of excitement Swirling around about it amongst pastors and those in parachurch ministries.

And of course your publishers are Very proud of this work that they have brought into print by you and they're very thrilled that we are Doing a second interview on it. The care of souls cultivating a pastor's heart if you could.

Especially for the benefit of those who missed your first interview on this a couple of weeks ago. Could you give us a summary of? This book's purpose and Then after that, we will not only take listener questions, but we will go on To pursue other areas of the book that we had not had an opportunity to cover last time.

Excellent. Yes, one which belongs of course word the people not merely in terms of the content of In terms of their impact the actual changes that are worked by the Holy Spirit. And it's at once at the very at the same goal I'm able to the ages of in our own kind of challenges that this my goal is to the inner attitude the outlook and the disposition if you will.

And the Latin term for that is the hop that it really informs determinations in each certainly by the direction for the Holy Spirit through the word and from the experience of generations. Engaging in conversation with colleagues really capable as I say in the book of our Lord Jesus.

And so like John that I'm the one who is the Lamb of God great.

Well, I'm going to give our listeners our email address if they would like to join us on the air with a question of their Own, it's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen and gmail .com. As always give us your first name at least.

Your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA. Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. We already have a Email, I usually only give a person's first name in their city and state.

But since this is a pastor. Especially since this is a pastor in your denomination. I'll give you his full name. His name is Reverend Luke T Zimmerman. And he is the pastor at Calvary Evangelical Lutheran Church in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

And this is a congregation as I said in the Missouri Synod so Reverend Zimmerman asks how have you or other pastors had to adjust teaching or pastoral practice as Society has moved from being supportive or even neutral to the Lord's law natural law.

To outright opposition to it. Hey, do you know a pastor? Oh, yes.

Oh, wow. He was a couple of years ago a co-host for one interview. I think we interviewed Chris Roseboro of Pirate Christian Radio, but he was sitting in the studio with me as co-host that.

Wonderful. Okay, that's a very perceptive question. And I think one that applied implied in the question for law there were boundaries Edward but even now Garden of Eden the law of God of the moral commands and demands of our gracious God because they're for our good.

But we do this I might add quickly on people. But because we want to not narrowly about by the blood of Christ on teaching of the law beyond that I think there's of no longer a collect entity or they've lost with the Fundamental truth of what it means to live in the created world here your listeners Chris might even 1993 by Robert Jensen postmodernism turning a corner from the No longer live any finds its origin.

Well, how God created the world in the first place and how he can redeem it to create order. So people live. It's absolutely inhuman mercy and their life as they go along and that's when we see that every day.

And also incidents of depression and anxiety everywhere I think.

Great. Well, thank you so much. There's a long answer. Yeah. Well, I think that most of the time I do want long answers on this program because if I have somebody who has written on a certain subject they Likely know a lot more than I do on that subject and I and I like thorough answers.

Um, as you may have noticed, I'm not the kind of talk show host that likes to butt into my guests Answers which barely gives them an opportunity to speak and I actually despise that kind of interview style so feel free to be as lengthy as you See fit.

But I want to thank Pastor Luke Luke Zimmerman from Calvary Evangelical Lutheran Church in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania and Also, I want to give a shout out to a member of that church who's actually just recently Become acquainted with me and I him Logan Embry.

And actually Logan is is trying to work with me on setting up a friendly brotherly debate between a Lutheran and a Calvinist on baptismal regeneration and and I will keep you all abreast as to how that develops and by the way The website let me give a plug to this congregation the website for Calvary Calvary Evangelical Lutheran Church in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania if you Live near that area want to visit there or if you're a family friends and loved ones near there or want to Go on vacation somewhere in the Mechanicsburg area and you you're looking for a church.

It's Calvary Lutheran Mechanicsburg org. Calvary Lutheran Mechanicsburg org and that's spelt m e ch a n i c s b u r g. One thing that I wanted to mention about this question is that There is an effort as you know by many churches even some that would be from Historically even up until recently More conservative Backgrounds more conservative denominations associations fellowships brotherhoods, whatever.

Or however, you want to describe their affiliations That that have become more and more accommodating to things that God has declared are abhorrent and an abomination and unnatural and People have a growing Idea.

It's probably always existed in the church, but it seems to be at its height in history now where hurting someone's feelings Or making them feel uncomfortable because of their behavior or beliefs is the worst sin or crime or injustice a Christian can commit and They change and alter their teachings.

Their worship their the content of their sermons their creedal statements. To make people feel more and more comfortable in things that God has declared will send unrepentant men and women and children to hell and I have Continued to repeat to my friends many of them who are professing Christians in denominations or Associations other than the one I am and I'm a reformed Baptist and you're fairly known for still being very conservative and strict adherence to the inerrant teachings of Scripture, but I have said to them when They think that a kinder and gentler approach should be had when it comes to let's say The LBGTQ quote-quote community homosexuals the the so-called transgender individuals.

Now on the one hand we are never to be hateful. Like those horrible people at the Westboro Baptist Church who I do not even believe are Christians or brothers in Christ. They delight in the death of the wicked.

They they have no interest in seeing people come to repentance and And being saved by the grace and mercy of Christ. They love and enjoy the fact that unrepentant sinners are going to hell. They seem to take great glee and excitement and joy in telling people that.

But we don't want to be imitators of that. That because that is coming from I believe an unregenerate heart, but at the same time We are not doing any favors To anyone whether they be a Christian or not a Christian when we are making them more Comfortable in their state of unrepentance, are we?

We buy the line. We're fed by the media and others That hold to them is at home and that's a sinister influence and I've seen it too often that it even people who are really have been teaching their own their family and Speaking what's on their mind and I think that's one of the challenges we have to speak.

Positively the truth and love. Yeah, so in denomination after denomination of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. There's simply a band and I'll continue and end up in yes. No, I might add to your readers, especially our PR is the history.

Why. Because it's an expression of who they were out that there are many parallels between our post-modern worldview that God is whoever you determine he has turned and repent and it's reading the book of back in this area.

Especially I need to remain faithful.

Yes and we also need to honor obey and love God and fear God more than our friends family loved ones fellow citizens of this nation or just members of Any community around the globe? We cannot be more fearful of how they are going to react to the truth then we are to how God is going to Treat us according to our disobedience and.

So I'm assuming that The a if you want to be very succinct About the answer to pastor Zimmerman's questions. Is that you do you adjust at all?

I mean to the changing winds of the culture. I think yes. What is it that underneath it and even more what's the type that I can. The one scripture that means I need.

Have all the savvy that the Lord why. Yes and perhaps be up to date.

We don't adjust the message, but we do tailor the message, right?

Yeah, and perhaps one of those things would be to be more up-to-date on The apologetic involved if you're speaking specifically about homosexuality. To know how to respond to those Who would be deemed as the brilliant elite amongst scholars theologians and others in the halls of academia who defend homosexuality as even a biblical privilege or Biblical Liberty.

We have to in our day and age be more capable of Biblically and theologically responding to that false Argument. And of course It is no longer Merely the fact that there are many involved in unrepentant depravity such as homosexuality or any of those behaviors that come under the LBGTQ umbrella.

It's no longer Please stop hurting our feelings. You're wounding us deeply by not allowing us to Participate in every realm of activity in the church that you enjoy. Please stop doing that. You're hurting us.

Please welcome us. It's no longer that it's how dare you you are an abomination. You are a sinner and a wicked individual for even daring to criticize Homosexuality and you are the one who is unlike Christ.

You are the one who is Rebellious against his way of living and teaching and.

Of course that's the point that you made that we speak there right. It is not it is the message is not.

Be like me because I'm better than you it is please. Embrace the only remedy that could save my wretched soul. I have been rescued from My sin and from the pit of hell. I want you to be rescued, too. That is more of the attitude that we have is it not?

Yeah, we have a and by the way, could you could you pick up could you the accusation that you Christian that you are Inimical, but it really means to be truly human because you don't let me duality, but also as you read in first read and Envy you will march to a different the accusation was leveled that you are undermining What it means to be a generally free human being and so you are.

In fact, can we pick up right where you left off? Could you pick up right where you left off when we return from our first break?

Okay.

And if anybody would like to join us if anybody else I should say would like to join us our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris a RN Z and gmail .com and by the way, I forgot to mention to Pastor Luke Zimmerman, please Give me your full mailing address because you have won a free copy of the book that we are addressing today the care of souls cultivating a pastor's heart by pastor or Reverend Harold L sink vial and Get that to us as soon as you can and we'll have CV BBS Calm Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service ship that free copy out to you.

Which has been given to us compliments of Lexham press and we thank the dear folks at Lexham press press for their generosity. So if you'd like to join us as well with your own question. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Give us your first name. Your city and state of residence in your country residence. If you live outside the USA only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. It will be right back with Harold sink vial after these messages.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnson. If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is Harold L. Sinkbile Executive director of doxology the Lutheran Center for spiritual care and counsel.

We are discussing part two of a discussion that we began a couple of weeks ago on His new book the care of souls cultivating a pastor's heart and our email address. If you have questions is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. As always give us your first name at least your city and state in your country of residence. If you live outside the USA and before the break you were talking about The persecutions and the apostolic era and in the new or the first century of the church very harsh and brutal.

Persecutions of Christians who were standing firm to the truth.

Regardless of the outcome and if you could pick up where you left off of Jesus as God now. That's true occasion of that lives of the way. They wanted to to the Roman courage to even among us people who?

The men who had wives example in order to procreate. Heirs if they're male slaves and young men now, this is very common in that kind of time. Solutions was the Christians didn't allow that it said this is this is an anathema or we life of holiness.

I've been uh-huh, you know greedy and so that was engaging in and what we today would call gay and lesbian behavior. Although that I might add isn't because of you know member of your own. They didn't and they called people to repentance their state whether navigate this.

Amen, and.

We have a question from a listener in Longmont, Colorado. His name is Kurt and he is asking a question about the Lutheran Center for spiritual care and counsel. His question is isn't that what church and ministry is I guess he's?

Questioning the the need for a power church organizations. Oh, yeah.

Well, exactly. That's the whole point. We're We're not trying to use papers. Great. Yes, you're not. You're not intending to replace the church.

You're intending to further equip those who are in leadership in the church. Exactly. Well, thank you Kurt. And if you want to give me your full mailing address in Longmont, Colorado, I will have CVB BS Comm ship you a free copy of the book We are addressing the care of souls cultivating a pastor's heart by Harold L Sankpile our guest today and since you are a first-time questioner You'll also receive a free New American Standard Bible compliments of the publishers of the NASB.

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One of the Issues that Comes up a lot on this program as far as people sending in questions is the fact that Sometimes congregations and it doesn't even really exclusively involve large or massively large or mega church congregations, although those types of Gatherings are going to be more prone to this, but I you know, even a tiny church could do this but I hear a lot from people perhaps even especially off the air not necessarily during with questions for guests during a live program but people who feel ignored left out Not really being viewed as Someone Important in the life of the church and this would be not only in their minds.

It could be true and perhaps it's a figment of their imagination I don't know because obviously I don't know a lot of these people who are Contacting me, but they feel as if the pastors the elders the deacons and even the fellow congregants Really do not notice their existence.

Do not have compassion for them when they're going through Trials and tribulations or even just Be recognized as someone that they would like to have over their home for fellowship in a meal but if you could respond to that very important aspect of pastoral ministry and even the ministry of.

Every congregation member so very very important live more and more isolated. Even such a thing as social media that people have noted there so within society as a whole make up loneliness. I learned it wasn't that long a couple months ago.

I learned that The United Kingdom of loneliness people living mourn together. It does take people of each other. As you mentioned for example. My wife is would like to with the gospel and I can give answer for the hope that is within me.

And through natural inner lives of faith.

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Do you are you familiar with Rosaria Butterfield? I certainly have heard that name.

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Which initially she viewed as possibly a Hostile or just purely negative interaction with a local pastor a member of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America. What she initially viewed as just a right-winger attacking her Became a friendship when this pastor and his wife invited Rosaria into their home for meals and She became Very close and intimate friend of this couple this Christian couple pastor and his wife.

And then by the grace and mercy of God She was saved. Repented of her lesbianism and all of the baggage that comes with the leftist Antagonistic Rebellious mindset that hates the things of God she became a full-fledged Bible believing Christian and Saved by the mercy and blood of Christ.

And then She was introduced to a single pastor by this pastor friend and She eventually became that pastor's wife.

Wow.

But God's grace in action. Amen. Oh Rosaria wrote a book called the gospel comes with a house key. Practicing radically ordinary hospitality in our post-christian world. And in fact, I'm gonna make sure you get a copy of it.

But I just wanted to let our listeners know that if you would like to get that book You can go to CV bbs .com. CV bbs .com which stands for Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service and you could order that book.

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