July 17, 2019 Show with Lou Veiga on “Tyranny: Its Cause & Cure” (Part 2)

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Lou Vega and the Roots of Tyranny

And I'm thrilled to have back as a returning guest someone who I know that I'm going to want on this program frequently in the future as well. His name is Lou Vega. He's the senior pastor of Covenant Church, which is a congregation in the Presbyterian Church in America denomination in Houston, Texas.

Lou Vega was born in Cuba and fled with his family to America after Fidel Castro's communist revolution and takeover. And today he is addressing Part 2 of a discussion that we began several weeks ago, Part 2 of Tyranny, Its Cause and Cure.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor.

Lou Vega.

Well, I would like you, for the sake of those listeners hearing you for the first time, or even for those that heard you the first time but now have forgotten the details about Covenant Church in Houston, Texas, tell us about Covenant Church, Houston, Texas.

Well, we're a Presbyterian church.

Now, do you ever have Spanish-speaking worship services in addition to the English? I actually have a friend that you've got to get to meet sometime. His name is Peter Padro, originally from Puerto Rico, and he and his wife Sonia are dear friends of mine.

He, at one time, many years ago when I first met him in the 90s, was the pastor of the Church of the Good Neighbor in Spanish Harlem, which at the time, I don't know where they are at today, but at the time, they were a conservative, Calvinistic congregation within the PCUSA, which, as you know, is a liberal denomination, but Peter was not and is not liberal.

But anyway, he used to, believe it or not, this is the first time I've ever seen this happen, he, on a regular basis, when he preached, would preach in English and immediately translate his own several sentences that he had just spoken in English, he would translate them instantly into Spanish and go back and forth in the same message.

He didn't have an interpreter, he did that himself. I doubt that they would be inseparable. But if anybody wants to investigate, explore, maybe a better word, more details on Covenant Church in Houston, Texas, you can go to covenantpca .org.

Covenant PCA, which stands for Presbyterian Church in America, covenantpca .org. And why don't you also, I know that you are a graduate of the Greenville Theological Seminary in Greenville, South Carolina, or it's actually in Taylor, South Carolina, right?

Taylor, yes.

And it used to be in Greenville, I believe, or something like that.

No, it's called Milltown.

But it's actually Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary, even though one of my pastors, John Miller, is a Reformed Baptist, and he was a graduate of there, and in addition to other places he's graduated from.

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But we began a fascinating subject the last time you were on, discussing our topic that we are continuing to discuss today, tyranny and its cause and cure. If you could, because it's such an important aspect of this entire topic, and the reason why you are an excellent candidate to talk about this topic, please, in summary form, tell us about your own flight with your family from Cuba after Fidel Castro tragically, successfully led a communist revolution and takeover of that beautiful country, Cuba.

I'll oblige you, even though I... What do you think the motivation would be of NPR to do that?

To cover that up, I mean.

I could only surmise, but I could tell you this.

Call away. Now, before we go on to continue where we left off on the discussion of tyranny, its cause and cure, I'd like to ask you about the cause of tyranny. Would you say that all forms of tyranny, in some fashion, involve, even if this is unconscious on the part of the tyrants involved, but would you say that the root of all tyranny is really when men wish to become God or be viewed as God, even if they might consider themselves atheists.

We know from Romans 1 there are no real atheists, but would you say that even if it's an unconscious thing, that tyrants basically all have that in common, that they want to be God or be viewed as God.

Reformed helps are reformed.

Yes, in fact, I love that old Bob Dylan song that he wrote and recorded while he was professing to be a born-again evangelical Christian. I don't know where he is theologically this day, but you've got to serve somebody.

It may be the devil, it may be the Lord, but you've got to serve somebody, and he was absolutely right.

Everybody's got to serve somebody.

One thing that we who are conservative Christians must always remind ourselves over is that the communists and the socialists and the leftists aren't the only ones necessarily guilty of this trend towards usurping God's authority.

Tragically, in the lives of Christians, when they are disobeying God, you very often have. I don't think it's the predominant problem in evangelicalism today, but it may have been more so a problem amongst fundamentalists and reformed Christians.

Even though it exists today, it was probably more a problem years ago. You had power-hungry pastors whose churches really acted and practiced more like cults, even if they may have been theologically orthodox.

The heavy-handed authoritarian eldership has been known to behave like tyrants. Also, you have, in many cases, tragically, husbands in marriages that treat their wives and their children more as subjects to their tyrannical kingdom than as a helpmate in regard to the spouse and as a blessing from God in regard to the children.

These things even happen in the body of Christ, don't they?

Yes, and that's why in the outline that I provided...

Foreign Policy, Regime Change, and the Rise of Worse Tyrants

In fact, one of the things that I don't think our country, the United States, has learned yet is that when we meddle in the affairs of foreign countries, very often trying to import by force a democracy here or there, we wind up very often toppling one dictator only to have a worse one spring up.

It happened with Osama Bin Laden. It happened... I have heard that with the defeat of Saddam Hussein in Iraq, that the situation in Iraq is even more dangerous, a lot more dangerous for Christians living in Iraq because Saddam Hussein was toppled and you had more militant Muslims rise up to power.

A lot of people may not even realize that Saddam Hussein was really like a nominal Muslim. He was not a theological militant Muslim.

Yeah, so what you're saying, Chris, is very congruent because imagine...

We'll pick up on that when we return from our first break because we have to go to our first break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com.

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Pelagianism, Human Pride, and the Tyrant's Mind

Now we are back with our guest, Lou Vega. We have been discussing tyranny, its cause and its cure. This is part two of a discussion we began a number of weeks ago, and we are delighted to have Lou back on the program to continue this fascinating and important topic.

And, Lou, before the break you were talking about how people, perhaps they are professing Christians in the political arena, and they are unconsciously, perhaps, operating or functioning as Sassanians or Pelagians.

If you could describe or define those two theological aberrancies and explain how they apply to the topic that you're discussing. And one of the things that clicked in my mind as you were applying Pelagianism to tyranny, it makes perfect sense that if someone is blind to their own moral corruption and inability and depravity, apart from a miracle of grace by the triune God, they are going to be more susceptible to want to rise to tyrannical power or see someone else rise to tyrannical power because of the fact that Pelagius, as you are fully aware, in his debate with Augustine, one of those heresies that comes from Pelagianism is a denial of the depravity of the human heart prior to regeneration.

And the unnecessary element of grace to save a sinner, it is a helpful aid in their minds but not a necessary one. So when you have a high view of man like that, you are more likely either to become a tyrant or support a tyrant, are you not?

Right.

Amen.

Well, when we come back from our midway break, I want you to address that Christians are continually taught by God and how that applies to the cure of tyranny. And we have to go to this longer than normal break in the middle of our show because of the fact that Grace Life Radio, 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida, localizes Iron Sharpens Iron Radio and all of their programming to Lake City, Florida as a requirement of the FCC.

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I think that's what it's called. This is Todd Friel of Wretched Radio and TV, with Phil Johnson, of Grace to You, inviting everybody to come to the G3 conference, which has almost instantly become one of the best conferences in the country.

And it is. It's a great conference. I love it. And Chris Arnzen was there last year. He's been there, I think, every year. It's great to see him there. You and I actually did some recordings in the lobby at that place, which is a highlight.

So tons of stuff going on. Tons of great speakers. And no matter where you are in the building, you will hear Chris Arnzen's laugh. And that's worth the price of admission alone. If you would like to join Phil, me, Chris, and a cavalcade of great preachers, so it should be a cavalcade of great preachers, and me, G3conference .com.

G3conference .com.

And now there's even more exciting news. John MacArthur himself is now also on the lineup at the G3 conference. Thursday, January 16th through Saturday, January 18th, 2020. Go to G3conference .com. G3conference .com.

See you there!

Hi, I'm Buzz Taylor, frequent co-host with Chris Arnzen on Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio. I would like to introduce you to my good friends Todd and Patty Jennings at CVBBS, which stands for Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service.