October 13, 2020 Show with Jay Seegert on “Creation & Evolution: Compatible or in Conflict?” (Part 2)

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Today we have returning for part two of a discussion that we began last Tuesday. We have Jay Siegert with us again. Jay holds degrees in both physics and engineering technology from the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater and John Brown University, respectively.

He is an international speaker and author, a keynote speaker, and managing editor or managing director for the Starting Point Project. He's also an ambassador and board of directors member for Logos Research Associates and a representative speaker for Ratio Christi.

And today we are addressing part two of creation and evolution compatible or in conflict. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for the second time to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jay Siegert.

It's great to be on the program again. I appreciate the opportunity.

It's me that appreciates you making time in your busy schedule to be on this program. And for the sake of our listeners who did not hear the show last week, tell us about the Starting Point Project.

Sure. Now Christian youth are walking away from their faith, especially during their college years, for a number of reasons, some of which have to do with kind of knowing what they believe, but not necessarily knowing why, not being able to defend it.

But in my heart too, and parents aren't too thrilled with the way their own children are raising the grandchildren. And if anybody wants to find out more information about the Starting Point Project,.

You can go to thestartingpointproject .com, thestartingpointproject .com. And once again, if you could also tell our listeners about Logos Research Associates.

True. I'll mention one other thing quickly that I didn't mean to go for that, but there's never been a charge. I've been speaking for scientists, but very humble. But he wants to know more about this organization known as Logos Research Associates.

You can find out more about them by going to LogosResearchAssociates .org, LogosResearchAssociates .org. And last but not least, once again, tell our listeners about Ratio Christi.

Sure. That's a navigator's number. It might give talks.

Can you define what Ratio Christi means?

It's Latin for reason of Christ or reason for Christ. Great.

And to discover more about Ratio Christi, go to R-A-T-I-O-C-H-R-I-S-T-I dot org. Well, we are discussing, as I've already said, Part 2 of a discussion we began last Tuesday. That's basically the book that has been written by Jay Seeger, or one of them, of Creation and Evolution Compatible or in Conflict.

And it's quite a sizable book, by the way. And let me read a plug for this book by Dr. John Sanford, semi-retired Cornell University professor and inventor of the gene gun. I cannot claim to have read all the books out there, but I think this may be the best current overview of the Creation-Evolution controversy from a biblical Christian's perspective.

Well, somebody who is from the scientific background that Dr. Sanford is from, that is certainly quite an impressive commendation. And I'm going to give our listeners our email address right away if they have a question for us on the Creation versus Evolution controversy.

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But if it's just a general question on science, on theology, on creation and evolution, please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence. By the way, if anybody wants to hear part one of this discussion that we began on Tuesday the 6th of October, last Tuesday, you can go, after this program is over, you can go to ironsharpensionradio .com and if you click on Podcasts Past Shows, then you'll be taken directly to the archive and there'll be a search engine there.

And if you type in Siegert, S as in Sam, E-E, G as in George, E-R-T, Siegert, you'll be taken right to the audio link for last week's program. What I'd like you to start with today, if you could, is list some of the best arguments that evolutionists, Darwinian evolutionists, have to bring up during these interactions that creationists have with them that perhaps were the most difficult to refute.

I'm not sure if any are really very difficult to refute. Perhaps there are some, perhaps there are not. What are just the most challenging sources of evidence, or at least something that they would claim to be evidence, that would refute the creationist position, the intelligent design position?

And if you could go through a list of at least several of those.

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That's even close to their most challenging, at least to the layperson, most challenging so-called evidence that would favor Darwinian evolution, as opposed to intelligent design and creation, Biblical creation.

I said, is there a runner-up?

Is there another one that would be...

Oh, they're all busted out, throwing out the ones that are not similar. And so, pretty well, we actually have a full, have a better idea of the similarities in that 99. Only 80 could be as well as a problem for them.

Because even if you thought it was just true to get all the way to a human, even if it's only 2 different, now we're talking about at least 20.

A couple of questions from listeners. I'll take at least one before we go to our first break. We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, when it comes to the subject of life on other planets, most conservative Bible-believing Christians scoff at the idea and completely rule it out.

One of the things that puzzles me about that is that I don't understand why the Bible would in any way absolutely prohibit the idea of there being other creatures on other planets. Some Christians use the excuse that that would require another atoning sacrifice of Christ on another planet.

But why would that even have to be brought into the picture when demons, for instance, are creations of God, and yet they were not a part of the atonement plan?

Well, the actual questioner, I think it was Arnie, wasn't it?

Arnie in Perry County? He said he was referring to the possibility of there being creatures on other planets that were more in the realm of a category of the demonic realm or something that it was outside of the human race.

Again, they don't sell physical locations or, for you to say that, scientific information on that life.

Yeah, I was actually shocked by someone, even though he is an atheist, or should I say he was. Was it Stephen Hawking who had the theory of the human race being populated by aliens? It was one of these geniuses that were atheists.

Was it Stephen Hawking?

The DNA molecule, the DNA, the more you realize there's no way that that is an accident that evolved here on this planet. But because he's an atheist, he didn't want to believe that God designed it, but he could see it was designed.

So he came up with the idea that it must have been designed by aliens.

Yeah, for some reason I have this memory, and it could be faulty, but I have some kind of a foggy memory about Stephen Hawking before he passed away, believing in extraterrestrials being the source of life on Earth, too.

But perhaps I'm wrong.

He might have entertained any of that, but I wouldn't be...

Well, we have to go to our first break. If anybody else would like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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Well, you already gave us the best arguments that those who reject biblical creation, those who reject intelligent design, have come up with, at least in your estimation. What is the best argument for creation, and why in your book do you describe it as something that may come as a surprise?

Oh sure, yeah, it brings up evolution. I'll just share this one thing, I'll pull it out of my pocket and show them and interpret it differently. Scientific evidence for the existence of scientific evidence have to follow up questions, like when they say there's no scientific evidence for the existence of God, you can view facts of them and just say, oh, help me better understand.

And you keep asking follow-up questions, and it doesn't take long. He told us, getting there yet, what we're doing is talking to the Christian about this right now, very long details, not every single detail, and then what we can do after that, because the skeptic's going to say, well, that's just a Bible.

I get that, I totally didn't think that God exists. But then I tell them, things it's making, and not have an impression of the Bible based on what someone else told you they think it says. In contradictions, the fact that the Bible says that God is a creator, and we can go deeper, we can say, let's take a look at astronomy.

And the deeper we dig there, the more it backs up, like, wow, I guess the Bible was right all along, which...

And one of the things that, for years, as long as I have been a Christian, and I'm sure it was something that was thrown out there long before I was a Christian, but as far as one of those things that is alleged by those who are skeptics, those who are critics of the Christian faith, who say that the Bible contains errors, they will bring up among those alleged errors the quote in the Scriptures from actually Jesus himself, that the mustard seed is the smallest of all the seeds.

That's, I believe, from Mark chapter 4. Now, how do you respond to the person that says, well, we know today that that's not even true. There are seeds that are even much tinier than a mustard seed. So how do you respond to something like that?

Sure, say...

Ha! Jump from mustard seeds to theodicy?

Yeah, so you have to find out, if you come back to it, the big issues you...

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