Is Jesus Christ God? James White vs. Jalal Abualrub Part 2

The Debate Closing Statement on the Deity of Christ

Repeatedly stating your own personal beliefs in light of contrary evidence without providing any meaningful argumentation is the clearest definition of losing a debate. A large amount of information excuse me, excuse me a large amount of information has been presented this evening and The attempted responses to the few passages that I actually covered and there are many more that I didn't begin to get to.

Has been anything but compelling from a scholarly perspective. My opponent came up and then misquoted first Corinthians 8 6 again. It doesn't say but to us there is but one God period it says but to us There is but one God the Father and then one Lord.

Jesus Christ is God not Lord is Lord not God. The term Lord used Of Jesus there is the same term used of Yahweh in the Old Testament. This is abusing the text of the New Testament in a way that I would hope That because of my belief in my following Christ as he who is true.

I would never do to the Quran. I would never want to be able to Abuse the text of the Quran the way that it has been in the Bible has been abused this evening. We had Galatians 4 4 mentioned to us. But we only had a part of it again really presented to us because it pointed out when the fullness of time came God sent forth his son Made of a woman, please notice one phrase sent forth his son made of a woman exactly parallel to what we have in Isaiah 9 6 unto us a Child is born unto us a son is given.

Jesus is the divine Son from all eternity and he becomes truly man. He does not cease being the law gosh. He does not cease being the eternal word, but he takes on that Human flesh that is what is being referred to there again.

I Do not begin to understand Why Islamic apologists choose to take a text from the synoptic Gospels and talk about zombies? Again, it just demonstrates that there seems to be no interest whatsoever in reading the New Testament in such a way.

That is it all accurate or truthful. We are talking about people who clearly had died recently because they are recognized by people in the city who were Resurrected and went back to their families. What is what is wrong with this?

Is this not just a demonstration of God's power over the dead? Don't you believe in the resurrection? Don't you believe God can do this? What's the basis upon which there is mockery of this taking place?

He talks about the only begotten son reading in the King James Version. Well, there's a textual variant in John 1 18 if you'd like to look at it monogamous they us is found in p66 p75 olive and Sinaiticus and Vaticanus and it is in the earliest manuscripts of the Greek New Testament that we have and I would think that it would be important to at least if you're going to address it make sure that you're aware of those particular Facts.

Jesus prayer on the cross. You know, I'm a suboxone. I is a quotation from Psalm 22. Read the rest of the psalm. It is a messianic psalm proclaiming the ultimate victory of the Messiah after his period of suffering.

We had the text of the Jesus as the Alpha Omega the beginning and the first and last. I didn't quote revelation 21. I quote revelation 22 13. Go read it. The person speaking says behold. I'm coming quickly.

Who might that be in the book of Revelation? Then we had The good master text as if Jesus was denying his own deity. There's no one good but God. The whole point was to show this man who he was dealing with.

Jesus wasn't saying I'm not God. I'm some sinner. He was trying to reveal this man who he was actually dealing with and that would have helped the man to understand Jesus. Interpretation of the law he mentions all authority has been given to me.

This is true. Jesus Christ laid aside his heavenly prerogatives. That's what it says. He humbled himself. Topana safroun a is the term in Philippians chapter 2. He had humility of mind. He humbled himself.

That means he voluntarily veiled his glory. And yes, he likewise Voluntarily veiled that relationship that would have given him divine knowledge of certain events. For what purpose? So that he might be completely dependent upon the Spirit of God for his source and sustenance and hence be the example to his people if We just would allow all the New Testament to speak rather than just picking out bits and pieces of it.

It keeps quoting from the King James Version of the Bible. I'm a critical consultant for the Lockman Foundation on the New American Standard Bible. I'm sorry. I didn't bring one with me this evening, but I'll send you one sir.

So as you can start reading a translation doesn't have these and vowels in them. That'll help a lot. I think in in debates because you can go a lot faster out trying to muddle through these and vowels.

He says scholars dispute. This is scholars dispute that will scholars dispute everything about the Quran to at least in Western countries. They're not really allowed the freedom to do that in other places.

But yes, there are scholars who dispute things. So what? Are you saying that you agree with the Jesus seminar? This is one of the things that's been amazing to me in my encounters with Islamic apologists is Islamic apologists will be willing to use scholarship against the New Testament.

When that same scholarship thinks the Quran is ridiculous. Why are you quoting atheists and agnostics and people and liberals who don't believe in divine revelation when you believe in it? Shouldn't we be using consistent?

Scholarship in these situations if you have to use arguments that would refute your own position. Suggest to you your arguments aren't very good. That's what we are encountering this evening. He said that I couldn't prove a single word in the Old Testament that says otherwise and God is one.

What did I start off with in defining the Trinity? Absolute Monotheism. Christians believe that God is one smog. Yes, but I yell Yahweh Elohim. Ooh, Yahweh. Ahad. Ahad is the same Semitic root that you have in Arabic when it says that God is one.

We believe God is one. The question my friends. Is that a oneness of being and Person or is it a oneness of being and the divine revelation tells us not a oneness of person? That's the question between us this evening and I honestly submit to you that question has not even been touched By my opponent this evening as long as he refuses to at least allow us To define the doctrine of the Trinity as I said my opening statement I've never seen.

I have no reason to believe that Muhammad understood what the Trinity was. I See no evidence in the Quran when it's that when in surah 5 116 to 117. Did you say worship me and my mother as gods and derogation of Allah?

Christians don't believe that so who's he talking about? Don't know. Certainly not the Christian doctrine of the Trinity and If it is then the person who wrote the Quran was ignorant of the Christian doctrine of Trinity and think about it for just one moment even Even if you reject the Trinity didn't Allah at least know what it was in 632.

Most assuredly he did now. So much of the New Testament text has not even been touched this evening. We've been told well, you know, there's all these disputes and and we just we don't we don't know who wrote any of these things as if you'd an Assumption that everything that you've received was written by the people who said we have chains of narration.

The whole reason for collecting them at the time they were collected was that they all had chains of narration. They were making them up right and left and claiming chains of narration. I can slap a chain of narration on anything.

Does that make it true? Of course not. The fact the matter is that when we look at the earliest writings outside the New Testament. What do they teach they teach the Islamic Jesus who didn't die who didn't resurrect who was just a razzle?

All of the first century evidence all the evidence that comes in the first century after the death of Christ Demonstrates not only that he gave his life on Calvary's cross. But that he rose from the dead and that his followers proclaimed him to be divine.

Even the Quran says that the true followers of Jesus be victorious until the Day of Judgment. What happened to them? How did they lose so easily to this Apostle Paul? The fact is they didn't. They were victorious because the early Christians like Thomas confessed that Jesus Christ is my Lord and my God and they recognized That the confession of faith.

Yes, who's courteous Jesus is Lord. Rome demanded that you say Kaiser courteous Caesar is Lord. The Christians wouldn't do that and for 250 years they shed their blood. Because they believed Jesus was Lord.

They refused to give in. So the idea that Constantine comes along. Only 10 years 13 years after the peace of the church of 313 says hey I'm gonna give you a new God and all the Christians, but hey cool.

That's alright. These people who had been willing to die for their faith in Christ just said that's fine. No, my friends the consistent testimony of all the scriptures the consistent testimony of the prophetic word the consistent testimony of history.

The earliest writings after the New Testament is the Christians believed in the deity of Christ. They believed in the crucifixion the resurrection and they prayed to Jesus Christ and 2 ,000 years later on the other side of the world.

By the work of his spirit. We continue to believe and confess as they did then. Thank you very much.

Islamic Apologetics Against the Trinity and the Bible

Alhamdulillah Rabbil alameen was salatu was salamu ala mab 'uthi rahmatan lil alameen. Muhammad wa ala alihi wa sahbihi ajma 'in. Lord doesn't mean God. Adonai. Adonai Adonais doesn't mean God. If it were then we have a problem.

We have Jesus the Holy Ghost God Yahweh the Son the Father Adonai Lord. Come on, how many names for God how many persons that you have to add to this Trinity that never existed? He keeps saying I didn't prove that these texts are not authentic.

I don't have to it's your job to come and say here is the text. Here is the proof. Here is when it was written Him standing here telling you that that's what I say. No, I can give you so many references because today is not the time to give those references about the authenticity of the Bible.

It's not even in that topic itself I was told that we should talk about the topic but the validity of the Bible itself. Come on people who wrote these things the Christians don't know they have a dispute that's been going on for close to 2 ,000 years.

About who wrote these things he can't erase that by saying some Shia some Sunni some. That's not relevant here. You people come and tell us this is the Christian creed. You have so many disputes with each other about every single text who wrote what what time frame what language who edited?

What who translated what this is the issue? The evidence they have they can't prove and All of it is not in the language. Just Jesus spoke. The New Testament is in Greek. He couldn't prove today that Jesus spoke Greek.

Don't tell me because he's got he would have known it. That's because not relevant because we're telling you he's not God. Listen Jesus being the Lord. Lord means a teacher and. It's your job to come in here today and say John was written by John somebody.

This year this is the language. This is who edited it. You found books that say a lot of stuff you discarded most of them and said we like this one. Why because it confirms to your creed? You chose the creed and then you found the text that supports it.

You discarded everything else. I Tell you here today the challenge I pose to my opponent here is to disprove. To prove that John was written by somebody at what time frame? Prove the evidence. Don't tell me what you think because of this and that and this and that.

Because we're it's that's not relevant to me. Who's John who's Matthew. The Christian scholars of all times is asking me for a list. You want the list? Islam life dot-com. Give me ten days. I'll give you a list of a huge number of scholars from old and you and you who disprove what this Gentleman said today about proving the authenticity of whatever in the Bible.

I'll tell you about the dispute and you can read those names who said what about what chapter what? Verse in what chapter who said this and that no Titus wasn't even written by Paul and now he comes and puts it there on the screen like it is a revelation from God.

No, it isn't you see look here about the zombie story. I got it from your book I swear by Allah from the KGV. I didn't get it from my book. I don't believe in the Bible. It's a KGV about those Saints who've been dead.

He says for a short period of time. God could have done it. Why didn't the other three Gospels report the same thing? Just one gospel. He gives no information about Trinity for thousands except to John.

We don't know who John is and he gives no information about the Saints or is up from the dead except to just one Gospel, what about the other Gospels? Why can't they report the same thing? Isn't the Holy Spirit supposed to be filling them when they were writing it?

How come they have inconsistencies with each other talks about the Quran? Well, who Allah had you don't know what color Allah had. Your creed is three gods. Not one its polytheism. Not one. One means one the whole way.

One decision one existence. One Substance. You have three. One of them created something in addition to him and he died. The Holy Ghost keeps coming up and down and He's not mentioning so many of these texts that he came here to prove the divinity of Jesus.

Doesn't soak you talk even about the Holy Ghost about being the only begotten Son in the KGV. Here is a sect a minor sect of today. That talks about the book that is the Word of God to the very vast majority of Christians almost throughout the history.

He's telling me the Christians don't believe this don't believe that your brand of Christianity doesn't believe that maybe Mary is the mother of Jesus the mother of Jesus is a God. Did you ever hear of the word rosary?

What do they do in those rosaries those Catholic Christians. The majority of Christians are Catholic not you. I'm sorry to say you may claim that you're on their wrong. Most of Christians throughout throughout history are Catholic.

The book they use is the book that has this begotten in it not yours. Yours according to them is a deviation. Your sect is a deviant set according to the Pope. He reiterated again that the only true church is the Catholic Church.

And these are the vast majority of Christians here you come and tell me now. Oh, no don't talk about the KGV. Why shouldn't I it says begotten and you belong to that. You don't belong to the KGV the one I have in my house.

I don't see your picture in it. You're not in it. It's been written before you were born. Years and centuries before you one it has begotten. Why did you change it into unique because they play games with the translations?

This is capitalized. This is this that is there and we end up with nothing. Tons of sons of God's gods exist in the Old Testament. Tons, why did you choose this one to make it a capital. Because you see Thomas said this.

Paul said that My lord and the Lord Lord doesn't mean God. Prove it to me that it means God from the words of Jesus. In the end I'm going to ask my opponent here today instead of coming here and saying he's denying this and that and where are these scholars?

You're supposed to affirm. I'm supposed to negate. Okay, you're supposed to come here and say here is a list of Thousands of scholars. I'll give you a few. I have the rest rest on my website who agree with my version of Christianity.

Who agree about these books saying like John wrote this but don't ask me about his father. Because we know his father but John wrote it what John who knows is he from the disciples? No, this book what when it was written the oldest one he's talking about which year.

Who proved it was that year? What witnesses? John when he reported what happened to Jesus and all for Gospels. Where are the chain of narration who told them the stories. They were not eyewitnesses. They were not there to prove anything about crucifixion.

You know, there are no records of a Jesus person a man called Jesus even existed. And this is you know, they go and say of the Roman we found this from that. It's a deduction. Keyword, you know the other keyword Trinity many of those quotes.

The Holy Ghost is not there another keyword. Deduction they bring text they interpret the text and they say this is the fact. No it isn't this is your interpretation. This is your explanation translation.

Editing and changing the Bible you're telling me out of all these copies. Your copy is the only original one and what you say about Christianity is true. No. What he said today has been disproved or at least Disputed by the Christians throughout history and he will have to come here and say no Jalal you're wrong.

Look at all these names and the date of births and who because I can bring in that list I can bring a much bigger list where people dispute everything he says and anything he says so people I want you to understand and You are my people.

We are all the children of Adam. There is nothing in the Old Testament that says anything about three. It says God is one if you come and divide him into three. Then you have a made mistake the rosary they pray to the mother of God.

They pray to her they made her a God. Act of worship you do it. You make it a God you say that this man is my God you pray to him. This is an act of worship. You make him a God didn't have to say he's a God.

So when they worship Mary. It means that to them is the Quran said the truth and Here's Christianity. Here is Protestantism. You're telling me Christians don't say say the truth. Say my section doesn't say.

Because the other sections huger bigger than you the bestest the biggest Christians in the world are Catholics. They say otherwise and you come and tell me here it's my no Christianity is not your preferences.

Christianity is what you think there are there in the test without your interpretation, please no interpretation.

Mary, the Trinity, and Roman Catholic Claims

It is unfortunate this evening that it has become very very clear that Christianity is not allowed to define Christianity. We don't get to define what the Trinity is. If the Quran says Mary's a part of the Trinity.

Well, then that must be the case. I'm the last one here to defend Roman Catholicism and their abuses of Mary since I've debated their leading Proponents on those very topics, but I have to for the sake of honesty point out Rome very very clearly denies That the privileges they give to Mary make her divine in any way shape or form.

Sir, if I've 116 to 117 if that's supposed to be the Trinity just simply isn't the doctrine of the Trinity in any way. He told us that Adonai doesn't mean that but it didn't tell us what it's supposed to mean.

Adonai means Lord and That is the one being addressed by Yahweh in Psalm 110. It's a messianic psalm and that's how Christians have always understood it. We heard a whole lot about disputes about who wrote what what has been disproven and disputed and if you'll just give him ten days He'll give you some references.

That's not how you do a scholarly debate. If you're going to make the assertion be prepared to back it up. It's just that simple and if he does provide a list I can guarantee you it will be of theological liberals.

People who if their consistent position was applied would mock the Quran as well. You will not find those who are consistent in their worldview joining him in these things. He seems to assume that we must know.

Authorship and date of writing for something to be scripture the Old Testament didn't require that. Did it their entire books? He'll test we don't who wrote it and yet Jesus viewed it as scripture. Did he not.

There's no question of that. So where's this artificial kind of concept coming from? It's being enforced from an Islamic perspective and acronistically. It has no real meaning when it comes to the subject of serious dialogue on the teaching of what the New Testament says.

John 17 and the Eternal Glory of Christ

So what have we seen this evening? I would like to remind you of the words of the Lord Jesus Christ himself recorded for us in the scripture that Christians have always believed to be scripture. John chapter 17 and Jesus there said this is life eternal that they might know you The only true God and many people stop there.

But listen to what Jesus actually said that they might know you the only true God and he whom you sent Jesus Christ. If you want to have life eternal you can't just know the Father you need to know the Son.

And What mere creature could ever make that statement about himself? Because that same Lord Jesus after saying those words said these in verse 5 of John 17 and. Now glorify me. Together with yourself father with the glory which I had in your presence before the world was.

What razzle is going to say what Apostle is going to say in a prayer. Glorify me with the glory which I had in your presence before the world was. The thesis statement is does the Bible? Teach the deity of Christ.

We have seen that the Bible clearly teaches the deity of Christ. Many of the texts I present were not even addressed was well. We don't know who wrote Titus. Well, we don't know who wrote Peter. Well.

We don't know who wrote John. In other words why bother debating where the Bible teaches the deity of Christ when your fundamental argument is going to be well. I just don't trust the Bible. The fact the matter is the Bible does teach the deity of Christ now if you want to say well.

And that's why I reject it. I would like to suggest to you. But if you do so you do so grossly inconsistently if you're a Muslim this evening because I believe any fair reading of the Quran Proves beyond any shadow of a doubt.

That the author of that book thought he stood in Harmony with the Old and New Testaments and with the prophets who spoke in the Old and New Testaments and that he himself Never took the position well.

You know it's just all been corrupted anyways if that's what you have to do this evening as a Muslim. Then I suggest to you that that is a very dangerous road. Because the scholarship you're gonna have to use to do that will lead you inevitably to atheism.

There's a better place to go realize that Jesus Christ is Your creator your God and your Savior and that you need his atoning sacrifice to have eternal life. Turn to him he was always there for those who turn to him in faith.

Thank you very much.

Before child comes up to speak I want to remind you we're giving you a chance now to fill out some questions on the question Cards. So go ahead and fill those out and now we'll hear.

Closing Remarks and Audience Q&A

Jowell's closing remarks does the Bible teach that Jesus is God. I Would debate today wasn't about the Bible. Okay, of course I came unprepared. What do you think I was talking about? This topic this is what I prepared for.

I'm not gonna come here with lists behind my back. Here's what this scholar said and this and that but I gave you a promise. Did he give you a promise to prove that he has evidence? To support what he said about the authenticity of the book itself.

He only said that he didn't bring the proof. So it must be true. Maybe he didn't say that that's what it means because he has no proof. No list of anybody from before the early Christian, you know people who say I saw John.

He used to be my neighbor. He rented a house from me his father such-and-such. He has the siblings. He has this and they have no information about who wrote these books. Of course, you need Information because here contradicts the Old Testament.

Nothing in the Old Testament that confirms to your creed. Then you have books written by unknowns. Authors anonymous that come you have no idea who wrote anything you took the creed these books. We don't like because they don't confirm to my idea.

Instead of looking at all of them and looking for the truth they discarded most of these and they come today and claim that it's My man, I'm not here to discuss the authenticity of the Bible. You're supposed to come here to prove the authenticity of your idea that Jesus is divine.

Where is your list of people who say John was written on. Have all these people who agree with me? And those who just don't agree they just know they have no idea what's going on. You see when he talks about the Quran.

He doesn't believe we don't believe in the Bible because if you look at the Bible, it's couldn't has Horrific contradictions in it so many contradictions that some of them would say 50 ,000. I don't agree 50 ,000.

They're less but so many contradictions there that you can't come and tell me that I'm gonna rely on this when you have four Gospels two of them have No genealogies of Jesus. One of them has which is completely different from the other one that has.

What happened to the Holy Ghost here? He was telling just two of them and other people were what doing what how come they have? No, they don't have the same information. What proof do you have. John wrote John.

Who's John who's his father? Who's have a cook? Who's have a cook who's Thomas. You have no idea? Why do you pick up a creed written by unknowns. Disputed by so many people throughout history and then come here and say, ah, Jalal didn't bring his list.

It must be true. No, it's not I've been truthful to you. I can't memorize the Hundreds of scholars who dispute just about everything he said about these texts. But I promise you a concrete thing ten days.

Can he promise in ten days to disprove what I'm going to prove which is what. That that these people disprove much of what he says. Can he give that promise? Listen, I'm gonna tell you something. You have to wake up the Christians of the world today.

You took a creed that the man you claim Came with it. Never said it. He never said I am God. I created you. I am divine. The Holy Ghost is divine. You brought sentences written by a language Jesus did not speak and he didn't bring proof that Jesus spoke Greek other than a few words.

He spoke a few words maybe but you brought a creed the man you stuck it to him never said it. Wake up. It's not in the Old Testament. Did Abraham ever give a lecture like my opponent did today? Abraham must have known less about God than Modern-day Christians one in three three and one doesn't make any sense.

Never did make any sense. This is why they need all these list of quotes here and there to bring you proof about. What they can never prove but you have to understand this is why you need Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.

He came to tell you mother of Mary was honorable. Jesus was born miraculously as the Quran says. Jesus said in his cradle and this is the story you don't have in your books. My god, my lord, and your Lord is Allah worship him and Jesus will say on the day of judgment.

I never said to these people worship me. They worship me and their own the same statement you have in the Bible when people come to say we used to prophesy in your name. Get away from me. I Don't know you.

And this question is for Jal why is violence a characteristic of Islam. Those on the timer. It's two minute response and then the other opponent gets a one minute response. Why is violence a.

Part of Islam. Because we don't believe in that stuff that you have somebody strikes you on your right cheek give him the left one. You never did it you Christians never did it with each other when you fought with the Catholics before you don't do it now and How come you didn't do the same when you did you know went to Iraq?

It must be a long cheek from here to Iraq very long. You attack the country that never attacked you. So ask me about Islam and violence. Well, we have violence in Islam. Sure, if you see good for us, you're peaceful with us.

You're respectful. You allow us to you know practice our religion. You have no fear if you want to attack me and you smack me here. You're gonna get something nice on your this one. Or I'll forgive you because my religion tells I either can give you the same or forgive you.

Of course, we have Violence, you mean jihad? Okay. I know the word this jihad. Of course, we have jihad to protect our lives our countries our religion to protect Non-muslims who live in Muslim countries.

This is our protection against your aggression against the aggression of other people. You want peace will give you peace. You want war will give you war. So if you give us war we give you war you say why are you violent?

Huh, you started it man. You see and don't come and tell me about all this violence because there has to be a comparison. I have to jump from here to the Old Testament. Look at all these commandments there about Killing men women children entire towns.

Compare the jihad of Muhammad to that. This is a valid question to you. Read my book. You have books outside there. You can have copies on your way out. Please the Muslims don't take any copies. Let's our guests take the copies.

Actually, we are the guests let our Christian and other religions who are here today Take their copies read about the jihad of Muhammad without the jihad of Muhammad. They would love it without jihad because they can crush us quickly and then we don't have to defend ourself.

We can't defend ourself. You see one of the saddest most frightening things to me. Is that anyone thinks that Christianity invaded Iraq? It wasn't Christianity that invaded Iraq and if you think the United States of America is somehow definitional of Christianity.

You've missed the boat big-time Muslims. Muslims believe that it is Allah's will to establish Sharia all over the world and that will bring in the Dar al-Islam the world of Islam. Christians believe that Jesus Christ will subject all things unto himself.

Does that make them equal? No because the means by which Jesus Christ will subject all things unto himself is by changing hearts and by changing minds and Never through the use of external compulsion.

That is the fundamental difference. Thank you.

This question is for James if you don't know who wrote your scripture Why do you gamble your eternal soul on it?

Because you're making a grave mistake to think that I don't know who wrote my scriptures all scripture. Is they honest Austin is God breathed. The mistake that you're making is assuming that the human individual involved in doing so Has to provide me with a social security number before it can be scripture.

The Lord the Lord Jesus Christ very clearly Accepted the Old Testament scriptures all of them as God breathed and he held men accountable to exactly what those scriptures said. And yet never did he tell us who wrote second Kings?

So what you're telling me is if you're if you're basing your objection upon that then the Lord Jesus Christ himself who you confess to be Rasool and even on the most liberal Standards of examination of his words Clearly did hold the highest view of the inspiration of the Old Testament.

That he was gambling his soul in something. He shouldn't have gambled on. I see absolutely no reason to believe that Logically historically and I see no reason from the Quran to believe that. I Don't see any no reason to believe that the the author of the Quran had that view of the Old and New Testaments either.

Instead we are you are commanded as Muslims to believe what had been nuts all what had been sent down. Well, if it was gone by the time Muhammad came along, how do you do that? I've never had I would like Jalal.

Maybe he can help me out. Please explain to me how you as a Muslim Fulfill those many commands in the Quran to believe what has been sent down. If you don't have what had been sent down how I'm told as as a as a person who's in the al-kitab The people of the book I'm told to judge by what God has given me in my scriptures.

How am I supposed to do that when you turn around and say that everything I quote is just corrupt. Anyways How does that work. I really would like to understand how that works,. Thank you.

So Christianity did not invade Iraq. It must be that sin and the sinner. We must run after the sinner. What religion do they have? The sin, of course. Christianity invaded Iraq. They brought all these flocks of Preachers to go preach to the Iraqis the Shiites and the Sunni their gospel.

Behind the forces the armed forces. They tell me my religion is violent. No, listen. The Torah is a book revealed to Moses not about Moses not by Moses. The Injil is a book revealed to Jesus not by Jesus or about Jesus.

Old Testament. No, Testament. There is nothing there written from Allah to Moses. These are what you people wrote there your ancestors. I'm not saying you I'm you know that the ancestors you you know.

They wrote him there. The Torah that we are supposed to believe in was revealed to Moses not about him or by him.

This question is for Jalal. Why in your first debate? Did you criticize people who comment on Quranic passages without knowing the original language? But in your second debate you freely comment on the Bible without a knowledge of the original Greek language.

Because Jesus didn't speak Greek. Moses didn't speak Greek and speak German. Maybe Araby the ancestor of the Hebrew. He didn't speak Greek. He didn't speak German. I'm defending that original copy of the Quran that Muhammad gave in Arabic you're defending a Translation of Something that came from somebody and then you tell me you don't need proof as to who wrote these things.