July 15, 2021 Show with Kenneth R. Samples on “Christianity Cross-Examined” (Part 2)

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And for those of you who yesterday heard a program

that was part one of a discussion that we actually began weeks ago

on Christianity cross -examined is it rational relevant and good.

That was a rerun we were airing yesterday on July 14th and

so today if indeed you are listening on July 15th this is not a rerun it may

be a rerun at some other date but if you're listening on Thursday July 15th this is a live broadcast

and it's part two of that very discussion that we aired as a

rerun yesterday.

Christianity cross -examined this is part two of that discussion and

that is the title of Ken Samples' new book and Kenneth

R. Samples is a former panelist on the Bible Answer Man.

He is a reformed Anglican theologian he's an author and currently the senior

research scholar at Reasons to Believe and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens

Iron Radio my dear old friend Kenneth R. Samples.

Chris it's good to talk with you again.

I enjoy our discussion.

Oh it is my pleasure brother and.

I really thoroughly enjoyed our previous discussion on Christianity

cross -examined is it rational relevant and good.

And the last time we discussed your book on the air we

got very thoroughly involved in addressing.

Is it rational and relevant.

But probably the most important part is it good.

We had very little time to address at the end because we had already

nearly completely run out of time and only had a couple of minutes to squeeze in that very

prominent and vital aspect of Christianity cross -examined.

In fact before we go to the topic that we really did not adequately address last

time is Christianity good.

Tell us perhaps a summary or a recap of

Christianity.

Christianity cross -examined why you wrote the book.

And perhaps a little bit of what we covered when it comes to Christianity.

Being rational and relevant.

You know when I was hosting the Bible Answer Man when I was one of the

panelists back in the early 19th

when I would go to a college or university

students were asking me almost

exist.

I noticed

about 10 or 15 years ago and I've this is my 25th year working it

I noticed about a decade or so ago that when RTB would send me to a couple

students were asking different questions.

I still got occasional truth questions but they asked me a lot of questions about whether

Christianity was actually a Christianity been good for women.

Has Christianity been good for racial minorities.

What about the God of the Old Testament.

Is he a God of wrath.

And how does that for myself.

Chris that I wonder if I'm seeing a

shift that was

an era where

truth

question.

And so I thought to

myself you know maybe in this apologetic book with

truth questions or whether Christian is it logically

relevant so

I look at them

about on whether Christianity

has been.

I think if there is a distinctive feature of

this book I think it's setting it up that way.

And by the way I might I might tell you that I have interacted with

atheists and this is kind of a in

the introduction of the book is now I'm not sure that every atheist would

fit in one of these two categories but I know that some do one atheist might reason this

way.

Chris they may say look maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if God

exists by the death of my body.

Maybe I would be reunited with my loved ones.

But the problem is Christianity is just not rational.

It's not something I can I can in good conscience rationally believe.

Now I don't know if the atheist Graham Oppie fits that category but he might he's a leading

academic atheist.

Now there's another type of atheist.

The other type of atheist says something like this.

Oh no there's arguments for God and there's arguments for Christianity and some of the

people who make them are pretty sharp reasonable people.

But the fact is I don't want that God to exist.

I don't want that God intruding into my life pushing his his moral

dictates.

I think Thomas Nagel the New York philosopher of mine New York University fits

really well into that category.

Now again I'm not saying all atheists are in those camps.

I've heard a my problem is

Islam is I just I don't want that kind of God to exist.

I can't see that God is a as a moral being.

So I kind of unveil up that in my new book means

questions that skeptical people really ask.

And I try to quote

as far as the relevancy of.

Christianity.

If you want to give a very brief overview of what we've already addressed.

Yeah I think that you know Christianity speaks in I think the most

relevant way possible it speaks to the human condition.

I mean

one of

the reasons

notes are

are

brokenness

20 evidences for that.

If if that's if that's the

case all of us are going to die conquer death then you need

to know it.

So I think Christianity is quite relevant in its application.

Of course people

may wrongly and.

Many many many unfortunately many many many people do

they will react to the Bible and say it is not relevant because

look at the condemnations they have against homosexuality

and look at the roles the specific roles they have

for men and women in certain areas of life.

These these things are outdated.

Well that's because the majority of humans

have changed.

That doesn't mean truth has changed just because the world has

become more or the population of the world has become

increasingly more selfish and demanding that they

write the rules.

And that many things that the Bible commanded or

prohibited just because those things are

either rejected or embraced.

Rejected if they were commands of God and embrace if they were things that God condemns

as wicked just because humans in a greater majority

have responded that way doesn't mean that it's.

The problem is with the Bible.

The problem is with.

Humans right.

Let me give you a powerful contrast which i think it is.

Um i watched a lot of uh the late

Christopher Hitchens yes uh journalist

articulate wrote a

great

said that you

can never

be alone you can never be free intruding on your

space.

I contrast that Saint Augustine said

your name even when you are even

when you're

closer to God

is close

contrast the

God's.

But where's Augustine's.

Right there reaching out to you.

I thought wow what a

power.

And yeah.

Isn't it interesting that when the Lord is

softening the heart of someone that was lost

or just simply in regard to somebody who is already born again

that the Bible is so relevant and always has been ever since

God gifted it to his people.

Uh you you will see how the Bible speaks to

you personally even though written thousands of years ago uh.

And that is unlike uh culture uh when you see

old movies when you see uh or even read

secular literature there is a stark contrast

typically from yesterday uh from what we uh

experienced today.

And sometimes we laugh at things how they change but the word with the word of God.

And even uh biblically faithful Christians

who have written uh valuable volumes for us to bless the church of

all ages when you read the Puritans when you read uh even further back the writings

of the Reformers how they strike a chord uh even though some of the

language if the if the edition of whatever it is you're reading has not been updated in

modern English even if some of the phraseology and the wording and so forth may be

a bit antiquated the content and.

Message hits right on and strikes a chord as if it was written yesterday

and powerfully in the case of

two

brothers in

the and God yes it

was such a shame that

uh after Christopher

Hitchens

accepted.

My invitation to debate James White.

And uh I was so looking forward to witnessing that exchange between two great

minds on opposite ends of the spectrum.

When it comes to ideology uh it was such a shame that uh he

had to cancel because of his uh developing and being diagnosed with esophageal

cancer which eventually took his life.

But uh I uh had the posters all printed up oh wow and was

was getting ready uh had already begun actually to promote the event and

just tragically it never came to be.

Yeah uh.

Well uh Christianity is good or if you want to

put it in a question form as your as your subtitle does.

Is Christianity good.

Uh as you just hinted at uh there are many people who do not think

Christianity is good.

They think that it has been of great harm to humanity whether it is

uh due to the oppression of people because of their

skin color their ethnicity uh that is in their minds and what they

have been brainwashed to believe in our modern education system.

They think that Christianity has been a horrible thing uh for humanity.

A horrible thing for the oppression of women and a horrible thing for

the oppression of those with different sexual preferences.

Or I don't even know if that is an acceptable way to phrase it today.

They the the left changes the dictionary so often I don't know if I'm up to date with

with what they demand although I really don't care if I'm up to date with what they demand

uh.

But uh so obviously you are a Christian uh you obviously

believe Christianity is good.

And if you could start explaining some reasons why uh even

uh on the basis of how humanity has been helped

obviously only God can determine and define what is good and what is evil and in all truth.

But there are even ways that there have been orthodox Jews

and even atheists and people of other religions who have come to recognize.

I know that I personally have benefited enormously

incalculably.

Uh and my ancestors and uh those

that would share my heritage have benefited greatly from

Christianity's existence even though I and my people

as it were do not share that religion.

I have even heard orthodox Jews and others make statements like that.

So tell us so yeah how do.

You respond to that question.

Is Christianity.

Good.

Yeah.

I think it's a fair question.

I don't begrudge anybody we've got.

Let me talk first of all about uh

Chris.

Science began one time.

What's

interesting.

Of course when I was growing up

I was told

that they

weren't

nearly as

dark as what.

Not to

say

that the

Chinese algebra is an Arabic word sexual

firepower.

The educational system uh came out of.

So many of the great

can also talk

about some

of the social

suggested and

preoccupied with those topics

of largely

abolitionists viewed the Bible

as teaching the fundamental principle that people are made in the image of God

and that abolition of slavery

headed by people who are secularists.

If you if you deny that the world is created we could also

talk about

law and

government.

The idea of of rights not coming from government

but coming from God and the idea that people again

have

some people have said of John Calvin.

And by the way I think Calvin is probably the

most idea of liberty.

Calvin's ideas had a strong influence on some historians

would say for example it's hard to imagine America without the

problem.

We could also talk about charity and philanthropy.

You know when I was a kid I'd see these trucks drive through the neighborhood.

You know I would see salvation

in the ancient world.

Chris there

was a treat.

And God again and again in the old testament tells the

foreigners that created

orphanages.

It was Christian development that there are people

suffering.

They couldn't be cured but they could be a

Christianity doesn't mean there

aren't.

Some areas are

dealing with fallen broken

reject.

But all in all Christianity is not recognized in my mind for the

enormous benevolence that it's brought to people on planet earth.

In fact I think.

You brought up something very important about things done in the name of Christ because not everything

done in the name of Christ is of Christ so right and we will pick up on

that when we return from our first break.

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Samples.

This is part two of a discussion that we aired that we began a number of weeks ago and

aired a rerun of yesterday.

Christianity cross examined.

Is it rational relevant and good.

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Now uh opponents of christianity critics skeptics

uh they will often bring up things that professing christians have done

throughout history and lay the charge at christianity itself

as being the root and the blame for these evils.

Like chattel slavery is probably the most often repeated thing because there were

admittedly many christians even christians that we agree with theologically and

agree with on a host of other issues who promoted slavery.

The southern baptist convention at one time was a predominantly calvinist

institution and it promoted the the

institution as it were of slavery uh and having

said that we we must also remember that the reformed presbyterian church

was the first denomination uh to openly uh oppose slavery and

conduct integrated worship services and bible studies and so on.

Uh but uh the fact of the matter is that these christians who promoted and

participated in and even fought for things

that we recognize today as being horrific and evil and wicked and even

satanic like chattel slavery uh this was never something that was

promoted in the word of god as something that god was with which god was

pleased or that god commanded aren't people very often confusing because of the

word being used slavery uh the the fact that uh

god's people throughout the ages uh did have uh

enslavement of prisoners of war uh people who

actually sold themselves into slavery because they could not pay debts.

And there are a host of other reasons why god's people participated in slavery

that had nothing to do with the kind of chattel slavery that was known

in england and other parts of europe and america that that in fact

had a very crucial element in it uh the the type of slavery that was practiced in

the united states which was a crucial element of the reason the civil war was fought

uh that that that that crucial element involved

something that was so evil in the scriptures that god commanded the death penalty

for doing it and that is man stealing uh stealing a man and selling him

was a sin punishable by death and that was a crucial element in the

uh in the way that slaves initially found themselves on the shores

of america and other parts of the world where slavery was.

Practiced am i right.

Yeah that's exactly right.

And i i

think you're these

critics they think

of the

antebellum.

Thought it

makes me terrible evil that it that it was and is there are

still people today that

are.

It makes me think that slavery was not just an american problem or even a

caucasian problem.

Slavery seems to be a fundamental human problem.

Still goes on where.

Blacks and slave blacks in the sudan and other parts of africa and the world.

This is exactly.

Right.

And uh what you have in the old testament is by and large indentured servitude.

And even

the

more difficult issues of israel taking foreign slaves in battle.

Uh remember that yahweh reminds the jews again and again don't

treat the way the egyptians treated you.

And so there are principles in the in

the torah in the mosaic

code.

What are we to say about these kinds of things.

I completely agree.

I mean i think jonathan edwards is arguably the greatest.

And yet while his son and uh close

associate in ministry were abolitionists battling against slavery

edwards in

our modern day is a lot of people think if they were

placed back

and up i would tell you that um you know christians are not without

blind spots and everything has not been.

Let me tell you this that the old testament set down

and in the new testament in

galatians 3 verse 28 this revelatory statement by the apostle paul

note in the christian church no difference between jew gentile slave

free are one

incredible primitive christian church.

You people who were and

then you had slave.

I think i think again um what ultimately ended and made

illegal slavery in europe and america.

And could i say because i think our country gets a

lot of criticism these days.

I know my family came from west virginia.

I know that west virginia was very proud that these against the

thought of war over these kinds of issues.

So yeah history is messy.

Um but i think that we also need to factor this in chris that god has

a in philosophy we talk about atelios a purpose.

I'm old enough to remember martin luther king preaching during the civil rights movement.

And he says that the arc of history is long but it tends toward justice.

Formed anglican i say amen is sovereign.

And he has a purpose even in corrupted history to bring about his purposes.

And uh i think christianity uh by and

large.

In fact it's interesting you.

Uh brought up the fact that you are a reformed anglican and the church of

england is a very vivid example of uh god using

uh history uh to bring about the fulfillment of a plan.

And even though the church of england involved a very wicked king henry

the eighth who uh his archbishop thomas cranmer didn't

even believe his friend henry was regenerate

until uh henry's deathbed uh where cranmer said

if you believe in justification by faith alone squeeze my hand.

And he did.

Because a lot of people don't realize even though uh henry uh helped to

launch the church of england's protestant identity he he remained theologically

roman catholic.

Um but in spite of this wicked king being involved in the

genesis of the church many fine and biblically

faithful and christ loving men and women and children

rose up out.

Of that that spread the true gospel.

Am i right.

Absolutely.

And you know when you when you think about history again i come back to this.

This idea of you know england had a lot of power

and sometimes they use that power to oppress people.

They also spread other things like the bible like

democracy.

Like you think of those kinds of issues.

And you have people coming out of the church of england again uh

wilberforce in in in europe and again in america.

You look these you took these issues

seriously and so i i think to blame i

think reflects a poor understanding of.

And even in the east and

it's oh it's also interesting how people view uh themselves so

highly that they believe if they were born and raised in an era

let's say in the united states prior to the civil war where slavery had already

been an established institution for centuries

they think they could have so easily flipped a switch and that slaves would be free and

safe immediately.

Uh you know for people who have that uh insanely high and

narcissistic view of themselves uh people very often who reject

uh original sin and total depravity they view the same uh they view the garden in

the same way.

They uh say that if they were adam or eve they never would have fallen for

satan's seduction.

So therefore they uh believe that it is insane.

And it's ridiculous for mankind to have bore the the

curse of adam and eve's sin because i would have done better.

And isn't this.

Isn't this the height of pride really.

And i think chris if you.

Look at history and you see the brokenness of humanity.

You see the fallenness of humanity.

You see the doctrine of original sin.

Remember that's the bible is diagnosing humans that way and it's you know

islam denies original sin.

Uh eastern orthodoxy has difficulty.

It is fallen in adam

sin nature.

So you know if you're troubled by hypocrisy and i am as well if you're troubled

by the fold remember that one of the fundamental teachings of

scripture are uh is that human beings are are sinful.

And chris i love it that in in philippians 2 this this ancient

colossian uh to the philippian epistle it says that jesus didn't hold

on to his privileged position

on our behalf.

I think that's incredibly powerful.

And i think that that's why two of the largest people groups to join christianity at the

earliest point in its development slaves they heard

something in jesus of nazareth.

They they saw something in him that they didn't find in

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Give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside of

the good old usa uh so ken tell us more about why

christianity is good.

And uh obviously if we as christians believe christianity is

from god that this is the true faith of god.

We obviously believe it must be good because god is good always

good and only good to his people.

So to give us some more reasons why we should.

Be confident christianity is good.

Yeah that's uh such an important thing.

Today are questioning uh the goodness of christianity.

Well again i think if we you know if we look at

yahweh he's.

He's unlike the gods on mount olympus

yahweh is different.

He watches out

again this

idea that

so many different

varieties

that human beings again have.

That's a very strong component.

It was very different than

safety net

sharing.

Their is uh

the christ.

The early christians.

They treated everyone as if they mattered was

regardless of

their country of origin.

You know we live at a time where people these categories of race gender and

class.

But what you find in christianity is a.

You know we

could go into other areas.

Chris.

Uh the development of beauty.

Think about the the areas of uh the aesthetic side of life.

Christianity has played a very powerful role.

Church was the patron of the arts.

So there are many ways that that christianity has been has been good for the world.

And uh you know whether it's the ymca or

and that is not the song by the village people you're referring to.

That's correct.

Uh the ymca actually was started by a christian group.

You know i would tell you this chris young men's christian association.

That's exactly right.

I had a friend who struggles with alcohol and i went to

some meetings with him just to kind of be supportive of him and i was

reinciples that they early

ideas had been influenced by.

You know there are

many areas you can look

at.

Let's see.

Here we have an anonymous listener who asks

before the break.

You were mentioning that the bible prohibits the stealing of a human being

and selling him or her.

Where in the bible is that.

Oh okay that's in exodus.

Uh exodus uh 21 21 16 is where you can

find that prohibition which is punishable by death.

And of course there may have been slave owners who balked at that and said oh i didn't steal anybody.

I bought these slaves.

Well they were originally kidnapped uh in their in their

heritage they wound up on the different shores of different continents

and different nations uh to be sold.

Initially because they were uh kidnapped and sold.

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Uh let's see here we have another anonymous uh listener.

The anonymous listener says i have been dealing with people in my own home

who are professing christians and yet they are opposed to

christianity as an organized religion and don't believe that they are

compelled to be members of any church because that they say that that's where

men always screw things up.

So how shall i answer these family members during these ongoing arguments that

we have over this very good question.

And i think a very common problem in christendom is it not uh in

christianity that uh you have a lot of people i know personally people that

either bounce from church to church to church to church or are not a member of any church and never go to any

church because they have no heartfelt

attachment to the church.

They don't think that god requires of them to be subject to the authority of local

elders and to be members of local churches.

And therefore they just stay at home on sunday or uh church hop

perpetually for decades.

So how do you respond to people like that.

Yeah i think that you're right.

This is a very relevant question i i think there's a couple elements that

i'd want to speak to.

One is we have a lot of people i think maybe especially today who think that their

relationship with god is personal

that is they look

as a religion.

And i try to remind people that it's true you have a personal relationship with

god.

Rule out the fact.

Two um scripture is

very clear that

we're to god.

You can.

Again one of the challenges that we have in kind of our industry

and um i think even more than that a lot of people

which good can be done by your church

things like that.

So absolutely.

Uh uh being part of an option.

Yes.

And uh it is again uh very arrogant for a.

Christian i mean the bible.

The bible itself uh lists specific

requirements for those who are to be leaders and teachers and therefore

being a member of a church is obviously uh

an important thing.

It's the height of arrogance to think i don't need anybody else.

I just need my bible and i can just sit at home and i am

smarter and wiser and i could just uh interpret the scriptures just as good as anybody else

maybe better uh than anyone else.

And uh i have never ever seen that work out.

Well have you.

No so

much to be benefited and uh by not

doing vulnerable you know

again i think i i think people i think many modern people don't like to think

of christianity as a religion.

They think of it as very personal relationship

and all

kinds of other things.

So encourage and and invite people back to.

Yeah and let's not forget hebrews 13 verse 17.

Obey those who have the rule over you and submit yourselves for they keep watch

over your souls as ones who must give an account that they may do it

with joy and not with grief for that is unprofitable for you.

So for you to think that you know your bible and yet think that you don't need to be submissive

to god -appointed elders in a local church that that's just proof that you really don't know the scriptures

wouldn't you agree.

Yeah

because we want good

again.

I think

there's

this individuality that people

you know and

i think we have to be cautious also.

I'm sure you would agree with this ken.

Knowing of your kind and compassionate and tender heart.

And i'm not i'm not exaggerating i do uh believe those are very

uh noticeable and strong elements of your character.

But we have to be careful not to just beat up and yell at and scold

and rebuke people who are not members of a local bible believing church.

Because very often not always but very often these are people who

are victims of very serious abuse either in a cult or a

false religion or even a church that is theologically sound on paper.

But have leaders that really violated the scriptural principles

of church leadership and and have either mentally emotionally and spiritually

abused their congregants but perhaps even physically and molested them sexually.

And who knows.

But as i have said to people when they have responded that they are a victim of something

like that and they said they'll never be a a member of a church again i i

remind them first of all do not reject jesus because of judas.

Uh judas was one of christ's hand -picked apostles.

And in an earthly realm judas led jesus to his death.

Now obviously we know god ordained that and jesus willingly laid down his life

for his sheep.

He was not forced to do this.

But on an earthly sense judas betrayed his his friend uh a

man who appointed him as an apostle.

And so why would we think why should we think that the church is

going to be perfect here on earth there are going to be judas's.

In fact uh one of the reasons we know the scriptures are true is that it warns against

false teachers false apostles apostles.

And if they were not in existence we would have reason to doubt uh the

truthfulness of the scriptures.

Am i making sense.

Here absolutely i mean chapter 11 of my book.

I talk about the question of so many christians so

unlike christ.

In fact how did you phrase that.

Because there was that stupid sound effect by the computer that drowned you out.

The question of what.

Yeah chapter 11 is why are so many christians so unlike christ.

Okay.

And and of course they're.

You're.

Actually you're right chris.

There are people that have um they have been victims and they have been treated badly

clergy.

Sometimes by elders sometimes by other christian

individuals.

But i think what's critical in all of that is the recognition that you know ken samples and

chris arnson you know we might step on your toes we might be difficult people at various times

but i guarantee jesus isn't going to let you down.

And uh underscore how important you

know to be gracious.

Um we want to we want to put our best arguments forward we want to make our case.

You know we're saved by grace.

I know i desire to be a gracious i want to

contend for the truth i want to promote unity.

But i want to be a very charitable individual.

So sometimes if you might discover is there really a

lot of very caring christian encourage

you and kind of help.

You weren't so part of that.

Second part of the book chris is to try to talk about uh how christians can

also be very powerful who have been hurt

and uh you know there are there are too many hypocrites but jesus is not one of them.

He will never fail you amen.

And that goes back again to the a denial of the necessity of being a

member of the body of christ.

All goes back to really self -absorption narcissism

uh where you think that you don't need anybody else you could do it better than anybody else

or just as good at the very least.

And that is every single person i have seen behave that way has made a

shipwreck of their faith and life.

Uh so although we have to be tender and patient and compassionate

with those that we know and love who are not members of the local church we still have to remind them

perpetually remind them that they need to be attached to the body of christ.

In fact we have a first time i think it's a first time listener or at least first time questioner

jw in dallas texas.

And i don't know if jw means he's a jehovah's witness or those are his initials.

J actually as i read the question i see he can't be a jehovah's witness.

Now isn't the church one of the primary ways that the

lord draws the loss to salvation.

I understand there are occasions like the thief on the cross

where people have come to saving faith in christ apart from a connection to the church.

But isn't that the normal and primary ways that he saves people.

Making that one of the best examples of why christianity is good.

Oh yeah i agree with everything he just said.

How about you again.

Yeah absolutely.

I mean we we tend to have uh i think over the last couple you

know kind of evangelism that is.

You know i think what that misses

however is that the vast majority of people hear and

understand christianity because they are brought into a church.

Often they're born into families of parents

nurture their kids in the faith.

I mean the church has many roles to play.

You know when things go on in the church that problems.

But i think often we we do not hear about the very gracious people

official who want to help each other and the tremendous friendships and and

relationships that we can have.

And you're very good at that chris.

I mean you really have a.

You're constantly talking about the importance of being part of the body of christ.

I mean even your even telling people not to support your show.

If it takes it away from supporting the church i mean that takes a lot of humility.

That's not the typical way that uh you know present

yourself but it it again shows your depth of.

Yeah i was just actually reminded by a

pastor recently who that's his favorite part.

Of the show and he actually is submitting his uh

his request that the church he pastors uh add iron trip and zion

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So i hope that that church that pastors congregation is as much

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Yeah very good i like it.

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Sharpens irons welcome back.

And ten samples.

I'd like you to have uh before we go to any other listener.

Questions.

If we have time to take any uh after you're finished i'd like you to

uninterrupted give our listeners several minutes of explanation

and description of what you most want etched in their hearts and minds today about this subject.

Christianity cross examined.

Yeah thanks chris.

Um you know i think it's it's very important to you

know what i attempt

to do in that book.

Try to again.

The first but the

second part of

the book it

i try

to honestly address the

kinds of objections that people really do raise.

Um we talked a bit about slave joshua's

conquest of the canaanites.

I look at christendom.

There are non -christians that they're not.

They don't understand.

I try to look at that.

What i'm attempting to do in the book is to help uh christians.

I think christianity cross examined is a book that a christian could get a lot of use out of.

And i think it's the kind of book you could actually give to a non -christian.

To fly wrote the book.

One of the things i do

like about the way the book you have to read look at

the and you can gravitate toward the issues that you are

most appreciate you giving me an opportunity to talk with

your listeners about my latest book.

Oh the pleasure is all mine brother.

And we do have.

Uh susan margaret in dalton county pennsylvania with a question.

Uh the question is how do we respond to people that will say to us

truthfully that how can christianity be the best

religion ideology and theology if it often produces

people that are worse husbands than some lost

husbands are worse wives than some lost wives are worse parents.

And we could go on and on.

Christianity does not always produce better human beings than the world has to offer.

How do we respond to this.

Because it is a truth that is very difficult to deal with.

Yeah that is true.

And we always also have to remember the the inadequate or horrible husband or

wife or parent didn't die for the sins of his people.

Yep.

But if you could go on uh with your own answer to that.

Yeah.

Well.

I appreciate that very candid and uh you know very pointed

reasonable one too.

I think i'd make a couple points.

Uh first of all piece of christianity

whether it is nation

revealed to god doesn't rest with uh all of the followers of the religion.

Ultimately it rests with the life death and resurrection of jesus christ.

Yeah there are husbands uh who are christians who have

a great

christians who with all kinds of things.

But remember what the bible says.

The bible says that people are fallen they are sins.

That's why jesus came into the world to read to redeem.

I i think it's important to to recognize that uh

that ultimately the truth of christianity rests on the life death and resurrection of jesus christ.

But you know i i would also add i think that christianity has produced some pretty

remarkable people who are very humble

people.

I think that uh

changing.

People yeah in fact in fact wouldn't you say that those failures of

husbands and wives and parents and every other category of human.

It is never because of christianity.

It's because of a disobedience uh to the principles

of christianity and the commands of christ.

Uh.

And you very often have lost people who might even be unconsciously obeying

christ when it comes to being a spouse.

And a parent and an employee and an employer and on and on.

Absolutely i mean uh nobody lives the sermon

on the

mouth and so um

i don't know

i i think you could point to many

people in in the history of the world that

doesn't mean though that you know sanctification is the law

that.

Wasn't the case with me i was instantaneously made perfect when i.

Uh just kidding folks.

I i knew your wife and i think she might uh have another word she

definitely would.

Have um uh.

Well if anybody wants more information about the ministry where ken samples

uh uses his gifts primarily it is reasons .org reasons .org

and uh is there any other contact information.

That you care to provide.

Well we uh make

it again great.

And uh

don't forget folks anytime we discuss.

A book on iron trip and zion radio.

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And just make sure that you get the title author and publisher correct.

I want to thank you ken for doing another outstanding job with us today.

I want to thank everybody who listened.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a far greater savior than you

are a sinner.