Is Transforming Culture the Goal of the Church? | Theocast Clips

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Jon, Justin, and Chris describe why the goal of the Church is not to transform culture. The guys discuss why Christians hold to a faulty view of worldly success within their culture, then delve into the true mission of Christians and the Church in this world.

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First things first, you mentioned sort of transformational ideals, you know, we're trying to go out and transform culture.
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Show me where Where we have seen that work and what have been the fruits? And we go back to the
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Netherlands Of the US, you know, Iowa and Michigan and see how that's going For those who claim that mission, you know,
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I think this is the perennial problem that Jesus dealt with in Luke 17 You know the
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Pharisees come to him and say When will the kingdom of God come
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You know a preacher He says isn't this interesting though, it's so important Yeah, the kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed
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Are you guys is everyone listening to this? You know, I'm not going to and say it's there.
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It's there great thing Institution to say there's that now you can look at the church and see as the
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Westminster says that the church is the visible kingdom That's right, right, but but the point is he's not talking there.
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He's talking about culture one point how it right, right? He's talking about the mentality and of those in the church who want to see it happen in the culture, right?
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And he says And they will say to you look there or look here.
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Mm -hmm. So here's the kingdom Here it is over here do not go out or follow them but it's this statement that always got me verse 22 of Luke 17 and he said to the disciples the days are coming when you
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Will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man and will not see it He says in the context of the kingdom.
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There's gonna come a time where you guys will so Desperately want the coming of the kingdom to see
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Jesus and his power because things are so dark. Mm -hmm You're gonna live for that You're gonna be confused about that.
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You're not gonna see it Where is the kingdom? What did he say among you? He says look here.
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He says there no for the kingdom of God is in the midst of you It's it's yeah, it's in you know, it's it's right.
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Yeah months, right? That's right. And so, you know when this is John 3, you know, we testify of what we've known and what we've seen
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We've seen the kingdom of God. Yeah, we've seen it in those who believe the gospel. Yes, sir We've seen the power of the kingdom of God.
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That's not exciting But it is to me when I think about it like all right
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Good night. So Christ Christ drops in and ascends to us, right and he starts building his disciples
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And what's interesting is that he says guess what guys your sojourners your aliens? This is not your home.
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And what are we doing? Our major our major job is to create two factors The kingdom of darkness we're going in and we're sniping him out and how are we doing it?
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With a message because when he comes back then his kingdom is gonna be broad But right now there isn't this global massive transformation where the whole world would go.
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Wow. This is Jesus Kingdom They're going to ignore it So if we lose sight of the very thing that Jesus is saying stop looking for the visible transformation.
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It's a spiritual transformation Right Jesus John 18 other places before Pilate and he's pretty clear.
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My kingdoms not of this world. Yeah That doesn't sound like Christian nationalism to me, you know, it doesn't sound like a lot of the stuff we theonomy and the
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Do you I can go on but do you want to say something real quick? Oh, I always want to say something Okay, just a few thoughts here guys, right so these kingdoms not others of this world
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I would go and say something that's gonna sound maybe offensive to some what is the mission of the church?
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Like if we're gonna define it narrowly But appropriately it's the right preaching of the
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Word of God and the right administration of the sacraments for the salvation of God's elect That's right, right and yeah, we're what are we doing?
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I mean obviously Ephesians 4 kind of stuff I mean the the the corporate gathering is for the sake of the building up of the body and then we are
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Equipped to do the work of ministry Yeah we come to receive and to rest so that we might then go love and do and so that we might go and love neighbor
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And do all these things and I I trust we're gonna be inviting people in to taste and see that the Lord is good
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Yeah, and to taste and see and that Christ is a Savior. Yeah, right. I mean, this is what we're doing and then
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I think that confessional Theology gets this right that we're not activists and Crusaders.
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Nope. We're pilgrims. We're sojourners We're exiles in this land. We've been promised a homeland.